Romney notably absent from Tea Party events

posted at 2:45 pm on August 29, 2011 by Tina Korbe

This shouldn’t come as much of a surprise — Mitt Romney is rarely touted as a Tea Party candidate, after all — but several national Tea Party leaders have confirmed it: The former Massachusetts governor hasn’t made much of an effort to concretely interact with them:

“To my knowledge, Mitt Romney has never requested to participate in one of our tea party events or rallies,” said Jacqueline Bodnar, a spokeswoman at FreedomWorks, the Washington, D.C.-based organization led by former House leader Dick Armey. The group helped organize events like the 9/12 March on Washington in 2009 and annual “tax day” rallies. …

Another national figure in the movement, Mark Meckler, a national coordinator for the Tea Party Patriots, also said Romney “certainly never reached out to our organization, not that I’m aware of.”

“I’m not aware of him speaking at any tea party events,” Meckler said. “I couldn’t say conclusively he hasn’t, but not that I’ve ever seen.”

Meckler, whose Tea Party Patriots is an umbrella organization for thousands of local groups, suggested Romney missed a great opportunity, especially during the health care battle, to come before tea partiers and argue against the bill.

“I think he was probably the perfect guy to make the argument,” Meckler said. Romney, he said, could have talked about how he knows from personal experience that the policies in the health care bill would be a mistake. Romney famously oversaw a state health care law in Massachusetts similar to the one pushed by Obama.

As a strategy, demonstrating only the very loosest of ties to the Tea Party made sense for Romney as long as his closest competitor was Michele Bachmann, whose appeal is nearly limited to Tea Partiers. In that scenario, by distancing himself, Romney could win the primary while still preserving the supposed independent appeal that increases his general electability.

But it makes less sense for him now that Texas Gov. Rick Perry is in the race, which might explain why Romney suddenly is keen to demonstrate the Tea Party would back his candidacy. Perry, as has been said, possesses the power to unite the various wings of the GOP and also polls well against Obama, so Romney must now concern himself as much with a primary win as with the general.

But truthfully, ignoring the Tea Party might not have made much sense from the beginning. Contrary to popular belief, independents very often vote for the most convicted candidates (independent support for Ron Paul provides a ready example), so Romney might have made even deeper inroads with independents by digging in his heels and proving his conservative credentials with a Tea-Party-backed-denouncement of Romneycare of the sort envisioned by Meckler. It certainly would have laid the specter of Obamneycare to rest in a way almost nothing else could have, given that the Tea Party’s credibility and influence evolved from and still largely rests on its trenchant and persistent opposition to PPACA.

But it might not be too late. At least one Tea Partier — Sal Russo, a strategist with Tea Party Express — suggests Romney hasn’t done anything to definitively turn the Tea Party off of him. “We have a good relationship not only with Romney, but with his campaign,” Russo said. Romney will appear in the CNN/Tea Party Express debate in Florida in September and he could make his affiliation clear then. Heaping criticism on his own health care policy at that time wouldn’t hurt, either.

Then again, maybe Romney just needs to stay the course. After all, would the Tea Party not back his candidacy if the only alternative to him was Obama? I think not. Nor do Tea Partiers seem like the kind to stay home. And the more the Tea Party learns about Perry, the more they might have reservations about him, as well. Plus, for all that Perry has the potential to unite, he also has the potential to lose support from both sides of the aisle by appealing too strongly to the other side. Romney might not want to risk losing the establishment niche even now just for the sake of appealing to the Tea Party. A lot of time ahead …

Update: No sooner do I write about this than Mitt Romney decides to headline a Tea Party event.


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Washington (CNN) – A new national survey is further proof that Texas Gov. Rick Perry’s entrance earlier this month into the race for the White House has dramatically altered the battle for the Republican presidential nomination.

According to a CNN/ORC International Poll of Republicans and independent voters who lean towards the GOP, Perry now sits atop the list of Republican presidential candidates, with strong support from most demographic groups.

Schadenfreude on August 29, 2011 at 2:47 PM

Oh, c’mon, Tina. Can you blame him? It is notoriously difficult to remove rotten tomato stains from a $1200 button down.

cynccook on August 29, 2011 at 2:49 PM

He’s trying to gather some liberal voters.

I like the “oversaw” word for his involvement in RomneyCare.

Sheesh.

BobMbx on August 29, 2011 at 2:49 PM

Mormons don’t drink tea. It’s a fact.

SouthernGent on August 29, 2011 at 2:50 PM

He obviously thinks he can win the general election without winning the primary.

dczombie on August 29, 2011 at 2:50 PM

That’s because he’s already “in sync” with them.

LiquidH2O on August 29, 2011 at 2:51 PM

Tea Party support notably ABSENT from Romney’s campaign. I would feel worse about pulling the lever for Mittens than I did for McCain…and that’s saying something. At least with McCain, he was a war hero and more importantly it was a vote for the ‘Cuda. The only pro-Mittens argument I can make is that he isn’t Obama and he has a pulse.

search4truth on August 29, 2011 at 2:51 PM

Perry is gonna crush Mitt in the primaries.

JustJP on August 29, 2011 at 2:52 PM

Errr.

the same freedomworks that vowed to defeat Romney at all costs. They are a pathetic to whine now.

http://www.topix.com/forum/atlanta/TP9I5VAFQ51B7LREP

swamp_yankee on August 29, 2011 at 2:52 PM

Mormon’s don’t drink tea or coffee…

right2bright on August 29, 2011 at 2:53 PM

That’s fine with me. At least he’s not acting like he’s a fiscal con.

Notorious GOP on August 29, 2011 at 2:53 PM

Perry is gonna crush Mitt in the primaries.

JustJP on August 29, 2011 at 2:52 PM

Then Obama is going to beat the “George W. Bush without brains” in the general. Have fun with ObamaCare and your liberal Supreme Court for the next 20 years.

swamp_yankee on August 29, 2011 at 2:53 PM

would the Tea Party not back his candidacy if the only alternative to him was Obama? I think not. Nor do Tea Partiers seem like the kind to stay home.

Sheesh, it gets tiresome always reading about how Conservatives/Tea Partyvoters can be counted on to fall in line behind whatever candidate the GOP runs. But somehow the moderates, the GOP elites aren’t expected to do the same thing – they seem to have a hall pass that let’s them run after whatever candidate they like if the official GOP nominee is too principled for them.

katiejane on August 29, 2011 at 2:53 PM

Meh, I look forward for Bachmann to throw in the towel and ‘support’ him. That would make an instant hypocrite out of her.

Schadenfreude on August 29, 2011 at 2:53 PM

He obviously thinks he can win the general election without winning the primary.

dczombie on August 29, 2011 at 2:50 PM

Heh, heh, It helps if your mindset is that it’s Oct 2012 and he’s ‘still’ the frontrunner somehow.

Chip on August 29, 2011 at 2:53 PM

Mormons don’t drink tea. It’s a fact.

SouthernGent on August 29, 2011 at 2:50 PM

Akkkk! Sorry did not see your post…

right2bright on August 29, 2011 at 2:54 PM

Count on S. Palin and Perry to be together, for the good of the country.

Schadenfreude on August 29, 2011 at 2:54 PM

The TP will NOT back Romney.

Schadenfreude on August 29, 2011 at 2:55 PM

BTW, what difference does it make, since the Tea Party is not any big deal anymore…isn’t that the new memo, Tea Party is all washed up.

right2bright on August 29, 2011 at 2:55 PM

Gee Mitt, no tea party, no pledge, what are those immutable principles that you stand for temporarily again?

Don L on August 29, 2011 at 2:56 PM

I sense Tina’s pain for Romney.

Schadenfreude on August 29, 2011 at 2:56 PM

Wrong call, Mittens… unless you’re going for the VP spot…

Khun Joe on August 29, 2011 at 2:57 PM

the echo chamber is pleased with that article

gatorboy on August 29, 2011 at 2:57 PM

Count on S. Palin and Perry to be together, for the good of the country.

Schadenfreude on August 29, 2011 at 2:54 PM

I agree, not as VP, but hopefully in the cabinet. At first I said Energy Sec, but someone upped me and said Interior Secretary/EPA combined…

right2bright on August 29, 2011 at 2:57 PM

swamp_yankee on August 29, 2011 at 2:53 PM

This will be good to have on Nov. 6, 2012. I predict the primary winner will take 40 states, and it won’t be Romney.

Schadenfreude on August 29, 2011 at 2:58 PM

Tea Party is all washed up.

right2bright on August 29, 2011 at 2:55 PM

Thanks for the grin. Also, shhhhh, don’t tell the media otherwise. I love delusional lefties.

Schadenfreude on August 29, 2011 at 2:59 PM

Meh, I look forward for Bachmann to throw in the towel and ‘support’ him. That would make an instant hypocrite out of her.

Schadenfreude on August 29, 2011 at 2:53 PM

If she did that, then Perry would be instantly catapulted way out in front of the other candidates.

UltimateBob on August 29, 2011 at 3:00 PM

Thanks for the grin. Also, shhhhh, don’t tell the media otherwise. I love delusional lefties.

Schadenfreude on August 29, 2011 at 2:59 PM

Seriously, is there any other kind?

UltimateBob on August 29, 2011 at 3:00 PM

Perry’s entrance earlier this month into the race for the White House has dramatically altered the battle for the Republican presidential nomination.

Battle?

You haven’t seen anything near a battle, until the momma grizzly comes to town.

She eats salmon and plastic politicians for lunch. She’s particularly fond of those with slick heads of hair.

Don L on August 29, 2011 at 3:01 PM

Romney. The other white meat.

Ward Cleaver on August 29, 2011 at 3:02 PM

Battle?

You haven’t seen anything near a battle, until the momma grizzly comes to town.

She eats salmon and plastic politicians for lunch. She’s particularly fond of those with slick heads of hair.

Don L on August 29, 2011 at 3:01 PM

Oh, I think they’re mostly simpatico.

Ward Cleaver on August 29, 2011 at 3:03 PM

Conventional wisdom is seldom wise…

phreshone on August 29, 2011 at 3:04 PM

he will be noticeably absent from the Ballots soon enough too!

SDarchitect on August 29, 2011 at 3:05 PM

Fred Thomps-… Palin hardest hit.

mythicknight on August 29, 2011 at 3:05 PM

A lot of time ahead …

Hmmm. Trying to square that with “it’s too late for her to get in, TP support notwithstanding”. That and turd blossom changing his meme to she needs to get in. Why? Why does he hate Perry? Just questions…

AH_C on August 29, 2011 at 3:07 PM

Count on S. Palin and Perry to be together, for the good of the country.

Schadenfreude on August 29, 2011 at 2:54 PM

Yep – I agree.

Before Palin supporters jump down my throat – I don’t know in what capacity yet but I expect them to be a team sometime here in the future.

gophergirl on August 29, 2011 at 3:08 PM

Then Obama is going to beat the “George W. Bush without brains” in the general. Have fun with ObamaCare and your liberal Supreme Court for the next 20 years.

swamp_yankee on August 29, 2011 at 2:53 PM

Considering Obamacare is patterned mostly after Romneycare, what’s Mitt’s incentive to repeal it again?

That’s what I thought.

fossten on August 29, 2011 at 3:10 PM

Then again, maybe Romney just needs to stay the course. After all, would the Tea Party not back his candidacy if the only alternative to him was Obama? I think not.

Uh, no. Staying the course is what allowed him to never establish any connection with the base up til now. It’s why someone like Perry merely needed to announce his candidacy and immediately jumped out to a double-digit lead in national polls.

Mittens’ strategery of prevent defense and running out the clock was a dumb move. It was predicated on having no viable competition for the nomination. Now he’s in deep doodoo as a result of his arrogance.

Doughboy on August 29, 2011 at 3:10 PM

Wrong call, Mittens… unless you’re going for the VP spot…

Khun Joe on August 29, 2011 at 2:57 PM

My husband suggested that very thing…could the lame left beat a Perry/Romney ticket?

Dr Evil on August 29, 2011 at 3:12 PM

he may be absent from tea party events but he wasn’t missed.

exceller on August 29, 2011 at 3:12 PM

Seriously, is there any other kind?

UltimateBob on August 29, 2011 at 3:00 PM

Believe it or not there are multi-millions of them who are just misinformed, misguided, brought up in D households.

I hate their looters more than their moochers. The former exploit the latter for power and gain, while keeping latter in plantations.

One day they will be enlightened and at that point the moochers should go against their masters, the looters, with pitchforks.

Schadenfreude on August 29, 2011 at 3:14 PM

Romney is staying silent because 1) it is his style to have
others fight his battles when the battles need to be “dirty”
and 2) because right now the media blitz on Perry and the rush
to claim Perry is the new “messiah” candidate to beat Obama is at its high mark; Perry has a lot of negatives that haven’t been fully
explored (yet) and it is in Romney’s best interest to sit and wait for the commotion to die down.

Romney will eat rubbery chicken and kiss babies with the tea
partiers at some point.

Amjean on August 29, 2011 at 3:14 PM

My husband suggested that very thing…could the lame left beat a Perry/Romney ticket?

Dr Evil on August 29, 2011 at 3:12 PM

Perry would have to take a poinson pill before he chose Romney as his VP. Too many good gov. available for him. These are not times when the 2nd in numbers will have to be picked.

Schadenfreude on August 29, 2011 at 3:16 PM

But it might not be too late. At least one Tea Partier — Sal Russo, a strategist with Tea Party Express — suggests Romney hasn’t done anything to definitively turn the Tea Party off of him.

One person does not a Tea Party make.

Nor is the Tea Party a nationally organized from the top down group–it’s a grass roots movement–the Tea Party Express doesn’t count–it’s one group, not the head.

From the concerns and tone of Tea Party activities, you can certainly draw some general conclusions.

I draw the general conclusion that Romney is toast.

INC on August 29, 2011 at 3:16 PM

Camp RomneyCare knows the base/tea party will vote for anybody but Obama.

He is betting on it.

I hope he loses.

portlandon on August 29, 2011 at 3:18 PM

portlandon on August 29, 2011 at 3:18 PM

Yes, Romney seems to be betting that he can win the nomination without the support of Tea Partiers.

I have my doubts this can be done.

INC on August 29, 2011 at 3:19 PM

Romney notably absent from Tea Party events

He doesn’t seem to be the tea type. Coffee is probably more to his liking.

rukiddingme on August 29, 2011 at 3:21 PM

Doe’s this story speak to Perry’s tendencies or not?http://markamerica.com/2011/08/27/some-of-you-tea-party-folk-think-perrys-the-answer/

heshtesh on August 29, 2011 at 3:21 PM

I hope that conservatives can think thru important issues, like budget reform, in a non-emotional manner. I’m bothered by the rush to “entitlement” reform (at least as it pertains to SS/Medicare. I’m bothered by the Ryan plan.

Byron York has articulated the fiscal issues well

http://campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com/article/york-spending-not-entitlements-created-deficits

Remember, the left has two cards it can always play. 1. Race 2. Grandma eating cat food.

Let’s not be herded over the cliff by impulse to save the whole world all at once.

r keller on August 29, 2011 at 3:22 PM

Mormon’s don’t drink tea or coffee…

right2bright on August 29, 2011 at 2:53 PM

Well then, that takes my suggestion of coffee off the table. In it’s place – root beer.

rukiddingme on August 29, 2011 at 3:23 PM

O/T – federal judge blocks Alabama illegal immigration law.

Schadenfreude on August 29, 2011 at 3:24 PM

Perry is going to be on Hannity’s radio show this afternoon.

juliesa on August 29, 2011 at 3:30 PM

Considering Obamacare is patterned mostly after Romneycare, what’s Mitt’s incentive to repeal it again?

That’s what I thought.

fossten on August 29, 2011 at 3:10 PM

Only thing that matters is that he will repeal it.

Best shot at repealing ObamaCare? Electing Romney.

Want to be petty and whine about things that happend in a blue state ten years ago, whien about a program that Jim DeMint and Heritage once celebrates, when most Republicans were supporting compassionate conservatism in including Rick Perry, then vote for the guy who reminds swing voters of a less gracious, less intelligent version of George W. Bush.

Want to save America from ObamaCare, vote for Romney.

swamp_yankee on August 29, 2011 at 3:34 PM

swamp_yankee on August 29, 2011 at 3:34 PM

Romney’s main principle is winning support for him. That trumps all others. I have no trust in whatever promises he’s making now.

INC on August 29, 2011 at 3:41 PM

Romney might not want to risk losing the establishment niche even now just for the sake of appealing to the Tea Party. A lot of time ahead …

Yup, at this point last time around McCain was at only 15 percent in the polls, he was behind Mike Huckabee (frontrunner) and Fred Thompson. Obama was trailing Clinton by 25 percent in polling.
Gonna be a long, strange trip to November 2012.

whatcat on August 29, 2011 at 3:42 PM

Frankly, I’ve been to many tea party rallies and meetings and Romney’s name never came up. He’s never made any move toward the tea party for over two years. No one even considers him in the race. He won’t help repeal Obamacare nor does he seem the least bit interested in undoing anything that Obama has done. In fact he doesn’t seem the least bit interested in even running for President. He doesn’t appear to be interested in campaigning. Why would the tea party even consider having him speak at any rally? For motivation? I don’t think so.

BetseyRoss on August 29, 2011 at 3:44 PM

Have any of these various Tea Party groups invited Romney to speak to them at their rallies or events? Just askin’…Maybe he’s the old-fashioned type who doesn’t like to crash parties he’s not invited to.

As to those of you who don’t “trust him” to repeal ObamaCare – that is very simply an asinine position to take. What possible incentive would there be for him not to repeal it?

Buy Danish on August 29, 2011 at 3:44 PM

Camp RomneyCare knows the base/tea party will vote for anybody but Obama.

He is betting on it.

I hope he loses.

portlandon on August 29, 2011 at 3:18 PM

The Democrats will turn out the base in 2012, if they won’t respond to the cult of personality anymore, they will scare them to the polls with the ominous fear based strategy, they are going to take away your social security, and medicare. Remember Obama’s base doesn’t pay taxes, they are the entitlement demographic. On the other there will be conservatives who will just stay home. I don’t know who Romney could pick for VP to make a ticket with him on top appealing to the conservative base. With a liberal republican on top of the ticket it’s going to be 2008 all over again.

Dr Evil on August 29, 2011 at 3:45 PM

He won’t help repeal Obamacare nor does he seem the least bit interested in undoing anything that Obama has done. In fact he doesn’t seem the least bit interested in even running for President. He doesn’t appear to be interested in campaigning. Why would the tea party even consider having him speak at any rally? For motivation? I don’t think so.
BetseyRoss on August 29, 2011 at 3:44 PM

At least you admit that the Tea Party issues invitations, but other than that this just may be the most asinine of asinine commentary.

Buy Danish on August 29, 2011 at 3:47 PM

Not surprised at all. Romney is a RINO. Kinda like McCain…with more hair.

realitycheck on August 29, 2011 at 3:47 PM

Yep – I agree.

Before Palin supporters jump down my throat – I don’t know in what capacity yet but I expect them to be a team sometime here in the future.

gophergirl on August 29, 2011 at 3:08 PM

Palin should endorse Perry for President, and he should publicly offer to appoint her Secretary of the Interior if he wins.

Steve Z on August 29, 2011 at 3:52 PM

This thing is just getting started, folks. I’m not a Romney fan, but I understand his reluctance into tying himself to any special interests group before the race heats up. As Romney realizes that the GOP is the third party now and the Tea Party is still growing. He knows the hate, vitriole, lies and deceptions by the MSM towards the Tea Party are going to be the most savage in our history. Romney knows this and seems to be managing what he knows is coming when the leftwing nutjobs start foaming out the mouth.

volsense on August 29, 2011 at 3:53 PM

Mitt? At least a Marxist has principles….

Don L on August 29, 2011 at 3:53 PM

I certainly hope that no TP groups invite Romney.

His thinking is certainly antithetical to TP notions and beliefs.

And I hope that no neocon groups (are there any, swamp_yankee?) invite Perry and that, if invited, he will politely decline.

The RNC had absolutely nothing to do with the 2010 election cycle.

Someone needs to share this with Boehner.

If Romney had ever stood for anything or taken any positions (and assumed their inherent risks), I would feel bad for him.

But he hasn’t.

As it is, he is paying good money to consultants who counsel him that he doesn’t need to do anything because he is winning.

Well, that’s not the case anymore.

This time 4 years ago Hillary and Rudy were the presumptive nominees, and Hillary was fighting hard every step of the way and still lost.

molonlabe28 on August 29, 2011 at 3:58 PM

What possible incentive would there be for him not to repeal it?

Buy Danish on August 29, 2011 at 3:44 PM

Well, for one thing, if he tries, the MSM will immediately call him out as a huge hypocrite. I can see the headlines now: “Good enough for MA, but not for the USA!” How does he fight that?

Mary in LA on August 29, 2011 at 3:59 PM

I haven’t been caught dead a Tea Party rally yet either. Too many RuPaul supporters in the Tea Party. Better to just state the areas where you agree with the Tea Party (low taxes, smaller government) instead of attending or speaking at Tea Party events which may or may not be full of birthers, gold bugs, and Ron Paul supporters (redundant I know).

TheQuestion on August 29, 2011 at 3:59 PM

Tea Party support is a necessary but not sufficient condition for a Republican to win the Presidency.

The Tea Party was galvanized by opposition to massive spending and the ObamaCare law. Romney is ambiguous on the health care issue, so the Tea Party will probably support other candidates in the primary.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/healthcare/health_care_law

The latest Rasmussen poll shows likely voters favoring repeal of ObamaCare by 57-37%. Any candidate who publicly announces he will sign the repeal of ObamaCare has the American people solidly behind him.

A hint to Mitt…

Steve Z on August 29, 2011 at 4:04 PM

Upfront disclaimer: I detest Romney with a virulent passion, having dealt personally with the man in NH during the 08 primaries I have first hand experience. He will say, do, and spend whatever is necessary to get elected, he has no “core” to him at all. As they say, there is no there, there. What little passion, that may upon rare occasion seep out, is fraudulent posturing. And it shows.

That aside, he’s a wonderful candidate!

But his tactical calculation here, keeping the TPers at greater than arms length will come back to bite him in the ass. Can anyone with a straight face say that the 2010 results were not wholly and completely due to the TEA party? Were it not for the vociferous protestations of the TPers at townhalls the American public would largely still be ignorant of what had been foisted on them to this day! Remember, that the bulk of Obamacare has yet to even be implemented. Without the hue & cry of the TPers, and the self-evident validation by the thuggish response by the left, the normally politically comatose American electorate would have sleep-walked straight into Obamacare’s Death Panel demise.

The voter fraud infrastructure and Soro’s Secy of States project of 04 & 08 remains largely intact. Without the full throated support of the TPers in ’12 no Rep candidate will be able to overcome the, conservatively 3-4%, cheating advantage Dems have built into the system. How else do you think Progressives win any elections at all, considering the documented 2 to 1 ration ofself described conservatives to liberals? Think about it.

Even now with the unprecedented “awakening” we see today, you are stilonly talking about, maybe, an additional 10% or so of the public becoming politically aware. By and large your neighbors still have not the slightest idea of the magnitude of the damage this administration has wrought.

If Romney thinks he’ll waltz into the White House sans the kleiglights of the TPers illuminating the fiscal iceberg that lay ahead, he is on a fool’s errand.

But then, I expect nothing less from a fool!

Archimedes on August 29, 2011 at 4:07 PM

Well, for one thing, if he tries, the MSM will immediately call him out as a huge hypocrite. I can see the headlines now: “Good enough for MA, but not for the USA!” How does he fight that?
Mary in LA on August 29, 2011 at 3:59 PM

I’m grateful to have the chance to use one of my favorite words today. That too is an asinine explanation. Do you understand the difference between how states and the federal government operate? If the governor Romney had proposed a Massachusetts law which criminalized jaywalking would he be a “hypocrite” if he didn’t push for a national jaywalking ordinance? Don’t many of you argue that states should determine abortion law? That marriage should be left to the states?

Buy Danish on August 29, 2011 at 4:16 PM

Any candidate who publicly announces he will sign the repeal of ObamaCare has the American people solidly behind him.
Steve Z on August 29, 2011 at 4:04 PM

Um, he’s already said he’d repeal ObamaCare. Obviously he cannot just issue a proclamation repealing it, so he has repeatedly said that the first day in office he would issue a waiver to all 50 states (and then work with Congress to get rid of this monster forever).

Buy Danish on August 29, 2011 at 4:21 PM

Do you understand the difference between how states and the federal government operate?

Well, I think I do, but that wasn’t the point I was trying to make. My point was, how does Romney fight the inevitable accusations of hypocrisy he’s surely going to run into from the MSM? Its target audience is too stupid to understand federalism.

Mary in LA on August 29, 2011 at 4:21 PM

If the governor Romney had proposed a Massachusetts law which criminalized jaywalking would he be a “hypocrite” if he didn’t push for a national jaywalking ordinance?

No, but that wouldn’t stop the MSM from calling him one, which was my point.

The one problem with all the Republican candidates, which I can’t seem to make anyone here see (much to my surprise and dismay) is that the MSM will never, never be honest about any of them, and we don’t really have effective means to fight that. The Internet + some talk radio is all we have, and it’s still not as strong a swayer of public opinion as the combination of TV + newspaper. The dinosaurs are dying, but not fast enough to really help us in 2012.

So the question I ask of any candidate is: How are you going to get your message out past our biased media?

Mary in LA on August 29, 2011 at 4:27 PM

Mary in LA on August 29, 2011 at 4:21 PM

I think you’re exactly right. What we need are free enterprise solutions to our healthcare problems. Not someone that will trumpet the virtues of a government plan be it state or federal.

mike_NC9 on August 29, 2011 at 4:29 PM

Are Mormons allowed to have decaf tea?

profitsbeard on August 29, 2011 at 4:33 PM

Well, I think I do, but that wasn’t the point I was trying to make. My point was, how does Romney fight the inevitable accusations of hypocrisy he’s surely going to run into from the MSM? Its target audience is too stupid to understand federalism.
Mary in LA on August 29, 2011 at 4:21 PM

Yeah, well sometimes I think Hot Air’s target audience is stupid. Seriously. What do you think the MSM would say if he reneged on his oft-repeated promise to repeal ObamaCare? Which words are more damaging in your estimation? “Liar” or “hypocrite”?

Buy Danish on August 29, 2011 at 4:36 PM

The one problem with all the Republican candidates, which I can’t seem to make anyone here see (much to my surprise and dismay) is that the MSM will never, never be honest about any of them, blah blah blah.

Mary in LA on August 29, 2011 at 4:27 PM

DUH! You know why nobody responds to this? Because it’s so fracking obvious. It’s kinda like you want people to tell you how brilliant your points are because you told us that water is wet.

Buy Danish on August 29, 2011 at 4:41 PM

DUH! You know why nobody responds to this? Because it’s so fracking obvious. It’s kinda like you want people to tell you how brilliant your points are because you told us that water is wet.

Buy Danish on August 29, 2011 at 4:41 PM

I seem to have offended you in some way. I am sorry. It wasn’t my intention. I don’t need to hear that my point is brilliant — as you point out, it’s quite obvious. But I would like to hear what other HAers might propose as solutions to the difficulty we’re in.

Mary in LA on August 29, 2011 at 4:48 PM

Mary in LA on August 29, 2011 at 4:48 PM

You haven’t offended me. You’re just making some really silly statements. Hot Air, Michelle Malkin and just about every conservative outlet on the planet talks about media bias ad nauseam. Newsbusters (“exposing and combating media bias”) and Brent Bozell’s entire career at The Media Research Center are devoted to exposing media bias. We all know it’s out there but it’s not insurmountable. If it were we wouldn’t have had 8 years of Bush or won the 2010 House elections in a tsunami, nor would Obama’s ratings be in freefall.

Buy Danish on August 29, 2011 at 4:54 PM

We all know it’s out there but it’s not insurmountable. If it were we wouldn’t have had 8 years of Bush or won the 2010 House elections in a tsunami, nor would Obama’s ratings be in freefall.

So how is Romney going to surmount it? That, as ineptly as I seem to be asking my question, is what I’d like to know.

Mary in LA on August 29, 2011 at 4:56 PM

So how is Romney going to surmount it? That, as ineptly as I seem to be asking my question, is what I’d like to know.

Mary in LA on August 29, 2011 at 4:56 PM

He can’t, just as McVain couldn’t. Now more than ever, we need a POTUS of principles, not a reaching-arounf CINO. If Mittness wins the primaries, this is one conservative that refuses to vote for the lesser of two progressives.

Count it–err, subtract it!!!

AH_C on August 29, 2011 at 5:07 PM

Hot Air, Michelle Malkin and just about every conservative outlet on the planet talks about media bias ad nauseam. Newsbusters (“exposing and combating media bias”) and Brent Bozell’s entire career at The Media Research Center are devoted to exposing media bias.

I can’t find any evidence that all this exposure, important as it is, has made our media one whit less biased.

And I may be silly, but 53% of the electorate is sillier than I am, and they’re the ones to worry about.

Mary in LA on August 29, 2011 at 5:10 PM

So how is Romney going to surmount it? That, as ineptly as I seem to be asking my question, is what I’d like to know.
Mary in LA on August 29, 2011 at 4:56 PM

What’s “it”? His “hypocrisy”? If you’re asking me how he will surmount RomneyCare, time will tell, but that is not a problem with the MSM so much as with conservatives who are stuck on the wrong-headed idea that because he put through this program in his state of Massachusetts he surely must intend to do that for the whole country and gosh he must be a Socialist.

I fully understand when Mass residents complain about the program, but I am puzzled by the fact that so many people who don’t live there care so much about it since it doesn’t affect them at all. I get tired of repeating this, but the fact is he always said he had absolutely no intention of implementing a one-size-fits-all national program; that all states have different demographics and needs and should develop plans that work for them; that states are laboratories for ideas and when successful states may voluntarily want to borrow from what others have done.

Buy Danish on August 29, 2011 at 5:13 PM

What’s “it”? His “hypocrisy”?

No, not his “hypocrisy”, but media bias in general. Everyone understands that the MSM have blatantly rigged the game in favor of the Democrats. You’re right that that’s not news.

It seems to me (with my Eeyore hat on) that no Republican candidate has a prayer of getting elected President in 2012, even with the economy as bad as it is, if they don’t have a way of either blowing through our disgracefully partisan media or doing an end-run around it.

We could run Superman, and he’d lose, because the MSM would accuse him of cowardice and hypocrisy — “you say you’re here to fight for truth, justice, and the American way, but you ran away from your home planet in its hour of greatest need! And don’t give us that excuse that you were a baby at the time.” And the 53% would eat it up, because all they know is what the MSM spoon-feeds them.

What does Romney have in his toolkit that he can use to get his message out?

Mary in LA on August 29, 2011 at 5:24 PM

Tag fail! That should have been a quote, not a strike. Sorry!

Mary in LA on August 29, 2011 at 5:24 PM

Mary in LA on August 29, 2011 at 5:10 PM

So you think if we talk about it more here, maybe we’ll do more to win the media war than what others are already doing? I forgot to mention Breitbart, btw. I really don’t think that you’re going to find any new or novel ideas from Hot Air commenters on this topic. You can (and should) point out examples of bias (and it’s done here all the time by Ed, Allah, Tina and Green Room writers) but ultimately it’s been discussed to death and new strategies or tactics are unlikely to be forthcoming.

My only suggestion to any candidate is not to make a fool of himself, and stay away from statements or jokes which can easily be misconstrued as a serious statement, especially one’s which will be used to paint you as a religious nut. And avoid using extreme language like calling Ben Bernacke “treasonous”, or mouthing off like Donald Trump. These things don’t go over too well beyond the red meat of the base, which does not represent enough voters to elect anybody. In short, don’t feed the media beast with unforced errors.

Buy Danish on August 29, 2011 at 5:25 PM

What does Romney have in his toolkit that he can use to get his message out?
Mary in LA on August 29, 2011 at 5:24 PM

Whether it’s Romney or someone else, you overestimate the ability of the MSM to destroy us in 2012. Romney in particular is trusted for his impressive business acumen, he’s statesmanlike and he does rather well in debates.

Cheer up! He’s killing Obama in Florida right now.

Buy Danish on August 29, 2011 at 5:30 PM

I really don’t think that you’re going to find any new or novel ideas from Hot Air commenters on this topic.

Are you sure? We’re a pretty imaginative bunch, when we put our minds to it. :-)

You can (and should) point out examples of bias (and it’s done here all the time by Ed, Allah, Tina and Green Room writers) but ultimately it’s been discussed to death and new strategies or tactics are unlikely to be forthcoming.

That means we will lose in 2012.

We (conservatives, I mean, not just HAers) must find a way to either neutralize or outsmart media bias, or we will lose in 2012, no matter who’s running.

If Romney can’t do that, he will lose.

I realize you think I’m beating a dead horse, and I apologize for that, but we’ll be looking at a dead country in 2012 if we don’t solve this problem.

Mary in LA on August 29, 2011 at 5:35 PM

you overestimate the ability of the MSM to destroy us in 2012.

Buy Danish on August 29, 2011 at 5:30 PM

I hope you’re right, but I don’t see it that way. As I said upthread, all our efforts to expose MSM bias have not resulted in any decrease in that bias. And you know they’re going to pull out all the stops for their Golden Boy.

Mary in LA on August 29, 2011 at 5:37 PM

And you know they’re going to pull out all the stops for their Golden Boy Idol.

Mary in LA on August 29, 2011 at 5:37 PM

Oops, I was accidentally racist there. I denounce myself.

Mary in LA on August 29, 2011 at 5:39 PM

And you know they’re going to pull out all the stops for their Golden Boy.
Mary in LA on August 29, 2011 at 5:37 PM

Their golden boy is a joke. The only thing I fear is a primary challenge from Hillary.

Buy Danish on August 29, 2011 at 5:40 PM

Buy Danish on August 29, 2011 at 5:40 PM

We ain’t seen nuthin’ yet…

Mary in LA on August 29, 2011 at 5:43 PM

I haven’t been caught dead a Tea Party rally yet either. Too many RuPaul supporters in the Tea Party. Better to just state the areas where you agree with the Tea Party (low taxes, smaller government) instead of attending or speaking at Tea Party events which may or may not be full of birthers, gold bugs, and Ron Paul supporters (redundant I know).

TheQuestion on August 29, 2011 at 3:59 PM

Thanks for admitting you know nothing about the Tea Party, other then what you have read in the MSM.

IowaWoman on August 29, 2011 at 6:11 PM

As a strategy, demonstrating only the very loosest of ties to the Tea Party made sense for Romney as long as his closest competitor was Michele Bachmann, whose appeal is nearly limited to Tea Partiers. In that scenario, by distancing himself, Romney could win the primary while still preserving the supposed independent appeal that increases his general electability.

Can even ‘loosest of ties’ be demonstrated?

There is a difference between ‘loose’ ties and no ties…

Romney has been absent from the small government conservative movement, and it shows. This isn’t keeping the TP at arms length, but trying to shut the door on them with a stiff arm… that is not winning him friends, allies or committed supporters amongst small government conservatives. He is acting in just the opposite fashion and I still, for the life of me, don’t know why he wants to run for President, what he wants to do and how he wants to do it. And I’ve been looking for that since the 2008 Primary season.

ajacksonian on August 29, 2011 at 6:38 PM

What? Are you saying that Tea Partiers refuse to host flopping fish fries?

ya2daup on August 29, 2011 at 6:56 PM

Romney or Obama = Third party.

Simple equation. Then I write my obituary for the United States of America, for it will surely die as we know it.

{^_^}

herself on August 30, 2011 at 6:23 AM