Maybe Biden did “fully understand” China’s one-child policy

posted at 2:45 pm on August 26, 2011 by Ed Morrissey

After Joe Biden told China’s leaders that he “fully understood” their brutal one-child policy and wouldn’t “second-guess” it, the Obama administration moved somewhat belatedly to contain the damage.  The White House insisted that they opposed the one-child policy and that Biden found the practice “repugnant.”  They also insisted that Biden had called the practice “unsustainable,” which Allahpundit explained wasn’t actually true; he called their safety-net structure unsustainable as a result of the low birth rate in China and the gender imbalance that will suppress procreation for decades longer.

The best one could conclude was that Biden was just ignorant,  but new information from LifeNews today that Biden doesn’t have that excuse:

Steven Mosher, the president of the Population Research Institute, personally witnessed the one-child policy put in place in China decades ago and saw first-hand how family planning officials used forced abortions and sterilizations to respond to women and couples who violated the draconian policy. Mosher is credited with exposing the one-child policy and bringing international attention to it. …

“While serving as a Commissioner of the U.S. Commission on Broadcasting to China, I briefed then-Senator Biden on population control, Chinese style,” he said. “I know that Joe Biden ‘fully understands’ how women are arrested for the ‘crime’ of being pregnant, how they are incarcerated and browbeaten for this ‘crime,’ and how they are forced to undergo abortions and sterilizations. I know because I told him so.”

Mosher says, “The Vice President was clearly pandering to his Chinese hosts. This wasn’t ignorance and it wasn’t a gaffe. Biden wanted China’s communist leaders to know that he and the President he serves are more than willing to turn a blind eye to the atrocities committed in the name of the one-child policy. In other words, Joe Biden has perfected the kowtow.”

It’s not the first time that Biden has turned a blind eye to this practice in order to pander to China, although he had plenty of company in 2000 while serving in the Senate:

Meanwhile, Biden himself has gone to great lengths to condemn the one-child policy in the past and, while a Delaware senator, in 2000, Biden called China’s one-child policy “beyond the pale” in a speech on the Senate floor. “No member of Congress condones the practice of coerced abortion in China or anyplace else,” he said, according to Delaware online.

Yet, Biden was one of 24 Democrats and 53 senators voting to defeat an amendment that year by then-Sen. Jessie Helms, a North Carolina Republican, for a non-binding resolution from the Senate condemning the one-child policy. He claims that doing so would jeopardize trade relations with the large Asian nation.

That vote took place on September 13th, 2000 as an amendment to the extension of normal trade relations with China (which used to be called “most favored nation status” until that phrase became politically toxic in connection with China).  It wouldn’t have changed the status at all, but only offered a non-binding and unenforceable statement that the President should urge China to change its one-child policy.  Biden voted against it, as did a bipartisan mix of Senators, while a bipartisan mix voted to approve the amendment.

Don’t forget that the Congressional-Executive Commission on China outlined in its most recent report the brutal methods China uses to enforce its one-child policy, which I covered in my column for The Week.  The CECC makes that clear in every annual report they produce.  But even if Biden can claim ignorance of the CECC’s detailed allegations, he can’t claim that he’s ignorant of China’s brutality and butchery, thanks to Mosher.

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The guilded turds in the WH are all liars.

Schadenfreude on August 26, 2011 at 2:48 PM

The best one could conclude was that Biden was just ignorant…

Yeah righhhhhht…

PatriotRider on August 26, 2011 at 2:50 PM

women are arrested for the ‘crime’ of being pregnant, how they are incarcerated and browbeaten for this ‘crime,’ and how they are forced to undergo abortions and sterilizations.

I don’t understand how you could consider this gendercide. – Ernesto

lorien1973 on August 26, 2011 at 2:50 PM

How about just stupid…

PatriotRider on August 26, 2011 at 2:50 PM

wow you’re really milking this.

sesquipedalian on August 26, 2011 at 2:51 PM

sorry for the OT: national anthem banned was this covered already on HA?

cmsinaz on August 26, 2011 at 2:52 PM

Every time I hear someone praising something about China, I remind them of this and the other terrible things China does.
There is nothing about that country we need to emulate.
“Progress” is easy if the population has absolutely no say in what the government wants to get done.

redshirt on August 26, 2011 at 2:53 PM

can’t blame bush on this one fellas…

cmsinaz on August 26, 2011 at 2:53 PM

wow you’re really milking this.

sesquipedalian on August 26, 2011 at 2:51 PM

wow you’re really embarrased.

kingsjester on August 26, 2011 at 2:59 PM

wow you’re really milking this.

sesquipedalian on August 26, 2011 at 2:51 PM

How about just stupid…

PatriotRider on August 26, 2011 at 2:50 PM

BigWyo on August 26, 2011 at 3:09 PM

I don’t know what all you wingnuts are getting so upset over. Biden’s a first-born child, he was clearly just kidding. He’s a kidder.

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Red Cloud on August 26, 2011 at 3:09 PM

Hey! Biden says he’s SMART! Just like Barry!

GarandFan on August 26, 2011 at 3:12 PM

Ed, I’d like to invite you to China to see how the policy is actually implemented. I’d be happy to introduce you to a number of people I know who have multiple children. They can explain how the policy is really enforced legally.

DarkCurrent on August 26, 2011 at 3:12 PM

President Bow and Vice-President Kow-Tow, the winning combination to be sure.

Drained Brain on August 26, 2011 at 3:15 PM

Ed, I’d like to invite you to China to see how the policy is actually implemented. I’d be happy to introduce you to a number of people I know who have multiple children. They can explain how the policy is really enforced legally.

DarkCurrent on August 26, 2011 at 3:12 PM

Smarty pants. :)

txag92 on August 26, 2011 at 3:19 PM

They can explain how the policy is really enforced legally.

DarkCurrent on August 26, 2011 at 3:12 PM

i.e. it is selectively enforced? Pay enough and you get an exemption? In the right class of people and you don’t have a problem?

Typical of tyrannies. You exist at the whim of the Emperor, you can give it the name of “Central Committee”, or “Peoples’ Chairman”, you still have an emperor and his minions upon whose whim your fate rests. Everyone in China is most likely guilty of breaking some law, whether they are called upon it rests purely upon the fancies of their overlords.

AZfederalist on August 26, 2011 at 3:29 PM

i.e. it is selectively enforced? Pay enough and you get an exemption? In the right class of people and you don’t have a problem?

Typical of tyrannies. You exist at the whim of the Emperor, you can give it the name of “Central Committee”, or “Peoples’ Chairman”, you still have an emperor and his minions upon whose whim your fate rests. Everyone in China is most likely guilty of breaking some law, whether they are called upon it rests purely upon the fancies of their overlords.

AZfederalist on August 26, 2011 at 3:29 PM

It is selective. That’s built into the law. For example, rural people are generally not subject to a 1 child limit, nor are ethnic minorities. Nor are families in which both parents are single children. In fact it only applies to about 36% of the population, mostly urban Han.

When it is enforced it’s enforced legally through fines. So yes, ‘pay enough and you get an exemption’. I know a lot of people who have.

Forced abortions and sterilizations may have occurred frequently 30 years ago when Steven Mosher was last in China, but it is definitely not at all typical or legal today.

DarkCurrent on August 26, 2011 at 3:40 PM

wow you’re really milking this.

sesquipedalian on August 26, 2011 at 2:51 PM

Be proud of yer dummies, gold-sprayed turds that they are.

Schadenfreude on August 26, 2011 at 3:44 PM

Mr. Biden if you have any shame you will not present yourself for the Eucharist.

Mason on August 26, 2011 at 3:44 PM

Forced abortions and sterilizations may have occurred frequently 30 years ago when Steven Mosher was last in China, but it is definitely not at all typical or legal today.

DarkCurrent on August 26, 2011 at 3:40 PM

I know things are changing, and that China now recognizes the unintended consequences of its demographics-tinkering, as Vice-President Kow-Tow was actually trying to address.

Still, a young guide there within the past five years told us matter-of-factly a story about his relative who’d been forced into the hospital to have an abortion on their attempt at having a son, and whose mother helped her literally to escape.

Anecdotal, I know, and maybe something he told all the round-eye tourists, but it was detailed and did have the ring of truth to it.

Drained Brain on August 26, 2011 at 3:47 PM

Anecdotal, I know, and maybe something he told all the round-eye tourists, but it was detailed and did have the ring of truth to it.

Drained Brain on August 26, 2011 at 3:47 PM

Maybe it happened, maybe it didn’t. I’m not saying it’s never happened, just that it’s not common, at least not today.

(Btw, I’ve never heard any Chinese refer to a foreigner as a ’round-eye’. I think that’s a Western invention.)

DarkCurrent on August 26, 2011 at 3:54 PM

Thank God Palin isn’t VP, right?

joeindc44 on August 26, 2011 at 4:03 PM

Obama’s science czar is a wackjob. So sue me.

By Michelle Malkin • August 24, 2009 10:12 PM

A deafening silence about Holdren’s radical ideology continues to grip the MSM. But the pressure from blogs and Fox News is getting under the science czar’s skin. And the left-wing Huffington Post has stepped up to try and stifle critics — by accusing them of a “defamation campaign.” When you can’t win arguments with dissenters, redefine their criticism as defamatory hate:

Conservative media outlets are waging an online defamation campaign against Presidential Science Advisor Jon Holdren, using out-of-context quotes and misinformation to portray him as hell-bent on pursuing population control through the use of forced abortions and mass sterilization.

Fox News reported that Holdren was bent on adopting a “planetary regime” of population control, while blogger Michelle Malkin called him a “wackjob” who entertains policies that would mandate “forced abortions, mass sterilizations, and poisoning the water supply to control the population.”

Speakup on August 26, 2011 at 4:16 PM

Maybe it happened, maybe it didn’t. I’m not saying it’s never happened, just that it’s not common, at least not today.

(Btw, I’ve never heard any Chinese refer to a foreigner as a ’round-eye’. I think that’s a Western invention.)

DarkCurrent on August 26, 2011 at 3:54 PM

Thanks for a plausible counter-explanation. I checked and found somebody who affirms your take on “round-eye.”

I’ll have to ask a guide next time. One of my favorites was a fluent, hip, and humorous young fellow in Beijing who said of himself, “We all look alike – even to us.”

Drained Brain on August 26, 2011 at 4:29 PM

One of my favorites was a fluent, hip, and humorous young fellow in Beijing who said of himself, “We all look alike – even to us.”

Drained Brain on August 26, 2011 at 4:29 PM

That kind of sounds like the kind of joke I might have said when I was a tour guide for Japanese in Hawaii decades ago ;)

DarkCurrent on August 26, 2011 at 4:46 PM

Which of his children will Biden sacrifice in order to keep in line with China’s one-child policy?

Choose, Biden. Choose.

madmonkphotog on August 26, 2011 at 5:02 PM

When actions and words are in alignment, you’ve got to figure that the person really means what they say. It’s also consistent with liberal policies: They’re more concerned with the greater good than the rights of individuals — in general, the concept of “individual rights” to a liberal is just a convenient mechanism for justifying the expansion of government power.

Socratease on August 26, 2011 at 5:17 PM

One friend from China has a sibling, because his father is a party chief. Another friend from China has no siblings, but his mother was forced to abort his sister and submit to sterilization. Another friend told me of countless babies killed because they were not first born and their families had no money to pay to the party.
They kill their own; will they hesitate to annihilate us?

maryo on August 26, 2011 at 5:33 PM

(Btw, I’ve never heard any Chinese refer to a foreigner as a ’round-eye’. I think that’s a Western invention.)

DarkCurrent on August 26, 2011 at 3:54 PM

I’ve never heard “round-eye” either, but surely you’ve heard “大鼻子” (big nose) before. haha

I have a former teacher who went into hiding to avoid a forced abortion. She didn’t have the money to pay the fine, and she would rather have the child born without the HuKou than not be born at all.

Of course you are right about it being less common than it was in the past, but it also should be noted that China is an extremely diverse place when it comes to rule enforcement. Shanghai is not a great sample for what happens in China. I too am frustrated by the blanket declarations the West makes about what happens in China.

Two good rules of thumb about China are: “There is always something else going on,” and “never take one person’s word for it.”

p40tiger on August 26, 2011 at 5:36 PM

(Btw, I’ve never heard any Chinese refer to a foreigner as a ’round-eye’. I think that’s a Western invention.)
DarkCurrent on August 26, 2011 at 3:54 PM

Nope, we are all weigramen, ‘others’, meaning not of the middle country, China.

maryo on August 26, 2011 at 5:36 PM

So now Biden(D)’s “defense” is that he is just stupid?

He just can’t keep his lies straight.

DANEgerus on August 26, 2011 at 5:45 PM

Two good rules of thumb about China are: “There is always something else going on,” and “never take one person’s word for it.”

p40tiger on August 26, 2011 at 5:36 PM

True.

DarkCurrent on August 26, 2011 at 6:04 PM

Nope, we are all weigramen, ‘others’, meaning not of the middle country, China.

maryo on August 26, 2011 at 5:36 PM

I think you perhaps mean ‘waiguoren’ (外国人), meaning ‘foreigner’ (literally ‘outside country person’)? That’s quite a slander…

DarkCurrent on August 26, 2011 at 6:10 PM

So now Biden(D)’s “defense” is that he is just stupid?

He just can’t keep his lies straight.

DANEgerus on August 26, 2011 at 5:45 PM


Biden’s too stupid to realize how dumb he really is.

ItsForTheChildren on August 26, 2011 at 6:33 PM

“No member of Congress condones the practice of coerced abortion in China or anyplace else,” “But we can coerce millions of unborn children to death here in our country”- Joseph ” Mengele” Biden.

Fixed

Funny how coercion is supposedly bad but killing babies isn’t ….hmmm.

CW on August 26, 2011 at 6:57 PM

I’m not saying it’s never happened, just that it’s not common, at least not today.

DarkCurrent on August 26, 2011 at 3:54

That’s fantastic!!!!

“it’s not common”

I’m so relieved. Because it would only be morally reprehensible if it was common. A little here and there is just great!!!!

mockmook on August 26, 2011 at 8:21 PM

I’m so relieved. Because it would only be morally reprehensible if it was common. A little here and there is just great!!!!

mockmook on August 26, 2011 at 8:21 PM

I never said it wasn’t morally reprehensible. It is, and also illegal in China today.

Unfortunately posts like this one of Ed’s make it seem as if it’s common accepted practice, which it isn’t.

DarkCurrent on August 26, 2011 at 8:45 PM

Liberals often agree with equivalents of the one child policy. It works well with their Earth worship religion.

scotash on August 27, 2011 at 7:51 PM

From all of hoopla surrounding Vice President Biden comments regarding his visit to China, primarily their ‘one child’ policy. This comment surprised me.

I have no idea how he could make such a judgement without researching the data thoroughly, considering another earth shacking observation he made to his aide as he deplaned. – WOW! They all look alike, how can you be sure the population data is correct?

MSGTAS on August 28, 2011 at 9:23 AM