Republicans risking a third-party presidential run?

posted at 1:25 pm on August 24, 2011 by Ed Morrissey

Could we end up with a third-party or independent challenger in the 2012 presidential race?  Matthew Dowd warns that Republicans run that risk if they nominate a candidate who either doesn’t attract independents or doesn’t fire up the conservative base:

Today, President Obama’s Gallup approval ratings are at an all-time low (38 percent). For the last two weeks, his approval rating has basically been stuck around 40 percent. For the last 60 years, an incumbent president running for reelection has basically received in national vote share the same percentage as his Gallup rating going into Election Day. If a president’s approval was 50 percent or more, it didn’t matter who his opponent was, he won. And if a president’s approval was below 45 percent, it didn’t matter who his opponent was — he lost.

We have not had a president in the inbetween numbers in the modern era, so we don’t know that territory. If the election were held today in a two-person race, Obama would lose his reelection bid. In addition, if his approval rating drops much further, he could easily face opposition within his own party.

If Republicans nominate an extremely polarizing figure who has a difficult time getting independent votes (especially in the crucial Midwest states) or one who instills no passion at all in the conservative base, and if Obama’s approval numbers stay low, then we basically would have two unelectable candidates facing each other in the general election.

Dowd makes an intriguing argument, but color me skeptical.  First, conservatives will be “fired up” to take on Obama even if the candidate doesn’t necessarily come from their ranks.  The only problem will be nominating a candidate who specifically douses conservative enthusiasm (which Dowd also notes), a possibility with more than one of the candidates in the race, especially those who like to insist in media appearances that conservatives are just too darned radical and extreme.  One can make the case that both Mitt Romney and Rick Perry can attract both conservatives and independents in a general election while holding onto the base.

Even if a third-party candidate decided to run, it’s an open question as to how well they could run.  In order to compete, such a candidate would have to get listed on 50 state ballots and raise enough money to compete successfully against both political parties.  Actually, the term “third party” is a huge misnomer; we already have a number of lower-tier parties that routinely run presidential candidates, such as the Libertarians, the Greens, and several others.  The most well-funded of those campaigns was the 2000 candidacy of Green Party candidate Ralph Nader, which managed to eat far enough into Al Gore’s base to flip Florida and cost him the election.  Otherwise, even with the funding that the Greens attract, they have almost no impact at all on national elections, or even state elections.

In the case of independent candidates who may or may not come out of the two major parties, that has an interesting if uninspiring track record, too.  Ross Perot had the most impact, likely costing George H. W. Bush a second term in 1992, but Perot had his own massive fortune on which to run and organize — and still didn’t win a single state.  Bob Barr ran as a Libertarian in 2008 but had been a Republican for years before, and turned into a trivia question.

The best parallel is probably John Anderson in 1980.  The political environments were quite similar; we had a massively failed Democratic incumbent running against a Republican considered too extreme to attract independents — and this was just six years after Richard Nixon’s resignation and Gerald Ford’s pardon.  John Anderson made an impressive run in the Republican primaries for a House member, coming just shy of beating Reagan in Vermont and George H. W. Bush in Massachusetts.  Insisting that Reagan was too far to the Right, Anderson launched a high-profile independent bid for the presidency, which attracted a lot of media attention, most of which was predictably fawning.  Analysts predicted that the GOP had blown their chance against Carter by picking Reagan instead of Anderson or even Bush and that Carter would win the independents while Anderson split the Right.

Anderson actually did pretty well; he got 6.6% of the popular vote while winning zero Electoral College votes.  Reagan crushed Carter 50.7% to 41% in the popular vote and took 44 states.  The election was not a referendum on the relative political positioning of the challenger, but on the performance of the incumbent.  This is a pattern across all of these examples.  Perot’s appearance in the 1992 race negatively impacted the incumbent Bush and split the vote against the challenger (his 1996 bid didn’t damage the incumbent, Bill Clinton, who would have easily beat Bob Dole anyway).  Nader’s impact on the race damaged the incumbent-by-proxy sitting VP, Al Gore.

If the nomination process ends up alienating a moderate Republican enough to launch an independent bid without Ross Perot’s hundreds of millions of dollars, don’t expect that to save Barack Obama.  Only Romney might be in position to do that, and he didn’t do it in 2008 when there would have been a better argument for it.

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I have gotten berry munch smarts-er cents them.

mechkiller_k on August 24, 2011 at 1:52 PM

At least you learned!!! Pity on some that don’t learn anything:-)

bluefox on August 24, 2011 at 3:31 PM

SheetAnchor on August 24, 2011 at 3:06 PM

I’ve been wondering if that is why Gov. Palin has held back. To see if any of the candidates or the media lands any punches that hurt.

Cindy Munford on August 24, 2011 at 3:41 PM

keep the change on August 24, 2011 at 2:04 PM

What is all of this nonsense about the Independents? Are they all working? Making money on the stock market and all of their investments? There pensions and 401K’s all gaining? They haven’t lost any homes? And the ones they have, have they increased in value instead of decreasing about 35-40% as others?

All of the ravaging laws that have been passed won’t effect them?
They are all exempt from Obamacare? Are they receiving massive tax cuts instead of increases? On all of their capital gains, they won’t have to pay the tax?

We are All Americans and it is UNITED WE STAND AND DIVIDED WE FALL!

Any one promoting a third party in my opinion is an Obama supporter.

bluefox on August 24, 2011 at 3:42 PM

Huntsman isn’t fooling anyone. The man is a fraud and an Axlerod frontman.

Limerick on August 24, 2011 at 2:30 PM

You may be right. He was called back from China. If that’s true, then Jeb Bush Junior has joined hands with them, since he endorsed Huntsman.

bluefox on August 24, 2011 at 3:50 PM

I expect the progressives to recruit and fund somebody as it becomes more obvious that Obama can’t win a 1-1 race.

forest on August 24, 2011 at 1:35 PM

Yep. They did this in a couple of races in special elections since November last year.

I still believe that Ross Peerot was a Clinton plant. He didn’t want to win.

slickwillie2001 on August 24, 2011 at 4:01 PM

Huntsman is like Perot more than Anderson in that he’s got a bank account — or he’s got daddy’s blessing to use daddy’s bank account — that allows him to continue to push on no matter what his poll numbers are.

But he’s not like Perot, or even Anderson, in that as of now, there’s not only no groundswell of support for him to run as an independent, until Romney officially falters, there’s no reason for even the elite GOP class to turn to him as long as Mitt remains in the race.

Huntsman only benefits if Romney (and his money) drop out and Huntsman can get some traction in states with open primaries, where Democrats who don’t care about down-ballot state races are free to cross over and vote for him. It wouldn’t get him the Republican nomination, but it would be enough to spur the big media hype that America “needs” Jon Huntsman to run as a third party candidate (with the non-stated message that Obama needs Jon Huntsman to run as a third party candidate in hopes he’ll take the moderate voters away from the GOP nominee).

jon1979 on August 24, 2011 at 4:03 PM

You guys dont see the forest through the trees.
The Obamites are going to find a moderate candidate to run a third party to split the independent vote. 100% guranteed. It is the only way Obama can win re-election, and they are desparate enough to do it. Mark my words. There will be a 3rd party candidate that is a rino/moderate type. Obama wins re-lection. Game over.

paulsur on August 24, 2011 at 4:14 PM

Any one promoting a third party in my opinion is an Obama supporter.
bluefox on August 24, 2011 at 3:42 PM

Well, unless we are talking about shaving mostly points off Obama.

Count to 10 on August 24, 2011 at 4:15 PM

The Obamites are going to find a moderate candidate to run a third party to split the independent vote. 100% guranteed. It is the only way Obama can win re-election, and they are desparate enough to do it. Mark my words. There will be a 3rd party candidate that is a rino/moderate type. Obama wins re-lection. Game over.

paulsur on August 24, 2011 at 4:14 PM

Oh, I wouldn’t put it past them to try. That doesn’t mean it will work.

Missy on August 24, 2011 at 4:32 PM

Any one promoting a third party in my opinion is an Obama supporter.
bluefox on August 24, 2011 at 3:42 PM
Well, unless we are talking about shaving mostly points off Obama.

Count to 10 on August 24, 2011 at 4:15 PM

I was speaking of a third party Republican which would include any faux B.O. supporter running on a Republican ticket. Since Huntsman/Trump etc were being discussed.

Do you think if they ran Huntsman or Trump on a Republican Ticket or an Independent ticket, they would pull votes from B.O.? I don’t see even Democrats doing that. Many are ready to vote Republican and they know better than Republicans what voting for a third party would do. Don’t think they have forgotten that the nomination was stolen from Hillary.

Don’t forget millions crossed over and voted for the McCain/Palin ticket(Dems)unlike many R’s that stayed home and didn’t vote.

bluefox on August 24, 2011 at 4:47 PM

He’s neither Anderson or Perot.

He’s Tim Cahill.

Last year, in Mass., “Cadillac Coup Deval” Patrick (Obama Jr.) was looking at electoral slaughter against Republican Charlie Baker in the race for Governor.

Cahill (who was a Democrat that worked for Patrick) suddenly jumped into the race as “An Independent” and, -whatayaknow?!- Patrick eeks out the victory as Cahill siphon’s anti-Patrick votes away from Baker.

Draw your own parallels…

SuperCool on August 24, 2011 at 4:56 PM

The big question: why is it that Democrats aren’t looking to jump ship?

Always, and ever, it is the Republicans about to go wobbly, never, ever, Democrats. They have got to be seeing the handwriting on the wall as Obama is about to take all of them on a kamikaze run electorally. Are they all really that set on staying with it while it goes down in flames, probably taking the Senate down with it? We hear talk of a ‘liberal’ needing to primary Obama but never a ‘centerist’ Democrat. Yet a lot of Democrats have got to be hurting bad, very bad, by this economy… where are they? Or is the Democratic Party that of the FatCats and Moochers?

If so can the FatCats just give cash directly to the Moochers and leave the rest of us out of it? You don’t need a political party for that.

And if it isn’t, if there is some portion of middle America still in the party? Why aren’t they looking to jump ship?

ajacksonian on August 24, 2011 at 5:07 PM

Jon/John (Huntsman/Edwards) has no chance.

BHO Jonestown on August 24, 2011 at 5:07 PM

Less than moderate risk here Republicans in the present climate. With President Unprecedented at 35 percent approval (Who are those people?) Perot was funded by himself and the piggy banks of a devoted populist following. More risk for Huntsman with the Democrat bonus bucks he would need to rely on. A vote for him is a vote to reelect the incumbent destructive children. I think most Indies are smart enough to realize that (being one myself) and even some Dems seem to be getting a clue, If he helps them do it he gets his reward, maybe as designated ignored Republican cabinet member. If he runs and they still lose, he’s old ham and cheese. He wouldn’t get invited to a Lib cocktail party for years. More risk for him. He may wanna think twice.

curved space on August 24, 2011 at 5:09 PM

The big question: why is it that Democrats aren’t looking to jump ship?

ajacksonian on August 24, 2011 at 5:07 PM

I read a lot and research many various forums/blogs. It’s just recently that I started posting. During the 2007-2009 period I was involved with a group of Conservatives and we emailed/faxed/called Congress members continuously. Every State multiple times, Reps & Senators. Now that the House turned over, it’s time to work again.
From what I sense now is that many elected Dems are very upset as they are not receiving any funding for their re-election. In 2008, around 4.5 to 6 or more million of Hillary Dems crossed over and voted for McCain/Palin. They have not gone away, nor have they forgotten the nomination was stolen from Hillary. The main reason McCain/Palin lost was due to 2 things. 1. R’s stayed home. 2. Caucus fraud. I don’t think the R’s will stay home this time. However, Caucus fraud and other fraud is the greatest danger. What the States that have Caucus have done to remedy this, I don’t know.
That is the risk I see.

bluefox on August 24, 2011 at 5:37 PM

The main stream media needs to give up promoting Huntsman. NOBODY gives a damn about this man, let alone gives a damn about his potential to be POTUS. Give it up already.

karenhasfreedom on August 24, 2011 at 6:05 PM

Drop out now, Huntsman.

disa on August 24, 2011 at 7:20 PM

Huntsman…
Feel the Excitement!!

Cicero43 on August 24, 2011 at 1:31 PM

Hunstman is a great candidate…

…for those who couldn’t handle the excitment of Pawlenty.

BlueCollarAstronaut on August 25, 2011 at 9:48 AM

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