Group of psychiatrists wants to redefine pedophilia to promote tolerance

posted at 5:25 pm on August 24, 2011 by Tina Korbe

When I wrote about an objectionable spread of photographs in Paris Vogue – a spread that featured 10-year-old fashion model Thylane Blondeau styled in provocative ways — I fretted that such a magazine feature might, in some way, normalize the concept of sexual attraction to minors:

It’s often said, but bears repeating, that the TV, magazine and advertising images we absorb train our minds as to what is considered attractive — and, yes, specifically sexually attractive — in our culture. So, what does a magazine feature like this say? That it’s OK, even encouraged, to look at a child in a sexual way. …

But it’s adamantly not OK to look at a child in a sexual way, as harsh laws against pedophilia and child pornography attest. Maybe it seems like a leap of logic to move from provocative pictures to pornography and pedophilia, but again, images train the mind’s eye. The more readers and viewers see children in adult poses and in adult clothes, the less jarring it will be to those readers and viewers to see children in adult roles. It’s all highly inappropriate — and in territory better avoided entirely.

What’s crazy is, at the time, I thought we were still years away from any sane person seriously suggesting such a distorted disposition of attraction to minors — i.e. pedophilia — should be repackaged as less a problem and more a disorder to be understood and, yes, tolerated. But one group of psychologists is calling for such a redefinition even now. Megyn Kelly and Shannon Bream were just talking about this appalling push on “America Live.”

B4U-Act is a 501(c)(3) organization in Maryland that was established “to publicly promote services and resources for self-identified individuals (adults and adolescents) who are sexually attracted to children and seek such assistance, to educate mental health providers regarding the approaches helpful for such individuals, to develop a pool of providers in Maryland who agree to serve these individuals and abide by B4U-ACT’s Principles and Perspectives of Practice, and to educate the citizens of Maryland regarding issues faced by these individuals,” according to the group’s website.

Perhaps that sounds innocent enough (although I don’t think so). Let’s give them the benefit of the doubt for a second: What’s wrong with psychiatrists seeking to help those attracted to children better understand why they have that tendency? Perhaps those psychiatrists could even be an instrument of crime prevention or of after-the-fact justice. But no. Consider: At least one psychiatrist in the bunch has been known to treat child molesters without reporting them, Bream said.

Last week, the group hosted a scientific symposium to discuss a proposed new definition of pedophilia in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM) of the American Psychiatric Association. Presenters expressed a wide range of views — but the thrust of the B4U-Act movement appears to be, ultimately, to decriminalize pedophilia, Bream said.

As all too often happens with any kind of push for political correctness, with a twist of language, the blameless are forgotten. Let’s remember whom both the social stigma against “minor-attracted persons” and the outlawing of sexual activity between an adult and a minor aim to protect. Yes, I’m talking about children, whose innocence deserves to be preserved, whose minds and bodies haven’t fully developed yet, who depend upon adults for their moral formation. Advocacy on this issue must be on behalf of those who cannot advocate for themselves — not on behalf of those who, however troubled and however tempted, still bear ultimate responsibility for their actions.

Update: At least one reader wondered my justification for the assertion that the B4U-Act movement appears to be headed in the direction of pushing to decriminalize pedophilia. According to Shannon Bream’s report on Fox News, some — although not all — of the presenters at the symposium expressed the view that some level of sexual activity between adults and children should be permissible. That sounds like the decriminalization of pedophilia to me.

Update: B4U-Act is not alone in the effort to normalize pedophilia. Big Hollywood’s John Nolte has reported on the entertainment industry’s attempt to glamorize sex with children, as well.

Update: Here’s the video from the “America Live” segment that tipped me off:


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We’ve been going in this direction for about 40 years. Nothing is “wrong.” Everything is a personal choice. What’s next/ Who knows!

Star20 on August 24, 2011 at 5:27 PM

some of us have been predicting this for years now, look back through the Gay Marriage threads on hotair from the last several years.

jp on August 24, 2011 at 5:28 PM

Ahhhh, so this is what those ‘extremists’ on the Right meant by “slippery slope.”

cynccook on August 24, 2011 at 5:28 PM

The APA tried this sh!t several years ago, and Dr. Laura Schlesinger blew the whistle on them.

The thing is, in our post-Christian society, what do we use for a moral compass? How about something like this: “Uh, it’s just not a good idea”.

That flushing sound is your country, going down the toilet.

Ward Cleaver on August 24, 2011 at 5:29 PM

I like Rick Perry’s stance on sex crimes.
Life without parole for repeat sex offenders.
Death penalty for aggravated rape.
Or, we could go this tolerance route that has worked so well with everything.

carbon_footprint on August 24, 2011 at 5:29 PM

One of the many reasons I built my bunker, and why I try to avoid large crowds.

Bishop on August 24, 2011 at 5:30 PM

Next they’ll decriminalize killing Tea Party members.

/only half joking

Ward Cleaver on August 24, 2011 at 5:30 PM

Call me anything you wish but the acceptance of the muzzies’ ‘culture’ in the sunlight, the world over, is exposing that they abused boys and girls since history began to be recorded.

The others are having an easier time coming out of the shadows.

PC uses the cultural to quiet the rubes and in the process promote the abuse of children.

Schadenfreude on August 24, 2011 at 5:32 PM

And yet you’ll never get them to change “having consentual sex with a woman who regrets it the next morning” to mean exactly what it is instead of “rape”.

DethMetalCookieMonst on August 24, 2011 at 5:32 PM

i had to reread the title a couple of times…

wow…just wow…

cmsinaz on August 24, 2011 at 5:32 PM

Two immediate thoughts:

1. I wonder if NAMBLA had any influence on that “scientific” symposium and if so, why could a bottom of the barrel filth of an organization exert any influence.

2. Law of unintended consequences of a recent social issue battle, perhaps?

anuts on August 24, 2011 at 5:32 PM

But I thought the “slippery slope” was a figment of our imagination?

catmman on August 24, 2011 at 5:33 PM

Lefties are not liberal, progressive, for people/children’s rights, just and etc.

They are just elitist pretenders who have hyjacked the terms.

Schadenfreude on August 24, 2011 at 5:33 PM

some of us have been predicting this for years now, look back through the Gay Marriage threads on hotair from the last several years.

jp on August 24, 2011 at 5:28 PM

I was wondering how long it would take for one of the puritans here to blame this all on the gays. Just didn’t think it would be the second f***ing post.

Vyce on August 24, 2011 at 5:34 PM

Advocacy on this issue must be on behalf of those who cannot advocate for themselves — not on behalf of those who, however troubled and however tempted, still bear ultimate responsibility for their actions.

In a sane world, yes. But a sane world produces people cognizant of the need to protect those who cannot protect themselves. Every day we value life less and less and so it is only normal for many to begin to think violating other values is not abnormal. But as long as we continue down the path of slaughtering innocents we will end up respecting and valuing nothing eventually. After all, if we can so callously ignore those who cannot speak for themselves why not ignore those who cannot defend themselves either?

NotCoach on August 24, 2011 at 5:34 PM

Remember a few years ago when people said gay marriage will lead to marriage between men and children? Talk about crazy!!!

angryed on August 24, 2011 at 5:34 PM

Good luck with that. Let’s see how things work out when the folks know that a child molester won’t be arrested and put in jail. They’ll just “handle things on their own” instead, and the sick pervs will be begging for the police to arrest them.

As much of a bore BOR is these days, if he gets his hands on this story that group is dead. O’Reilly takes no prisoners when kids are being harmed.

Rational Thought on August 24, 2011 at 5:37 PM

If it’s a disease, it lessens the responsibility of the “ill”…and you also get the insurance company or Medicare/caid to pay for this “treatment”.

It all boils down to $$$

clnurnberg on August 24, 2011 at 5:37 PM

BTW, how about posting a link. I’m not going to post this so my liberal friends can see this and hten say “Hah! No link!” I get on them so much for providing pages with no links.

DethMetalCookieMonst on August 24, 2011 at 5:37 PM

Liberalism is a mental disease.

How else can you explain that a liberal would allow a man to molest his daughter and then instead of going out to try and kill the molester, he’ll go and take the molester to counselling.

angryed on August 24, 2011 at 5:37 PM

No doubt democrats in Congress support this “science”.

darwin on August 24, 2011 at 5:37 PM

NAMBLA has wrote in journals for years now about this, and they argue it should be ‘ok’ based on the same grounds other perversions have gradually been accepted on, the false notion of “Love”

jp on August 24, 2011 at 5:38 PM

Relativity is for physics.

NOT for criminal behavior.

Yet that is what the Left has been pushing, and it is eroding morals and ethics across society because everything is ‘relativ’e.

And it is being applied TO your relatives.

It works in physics, but not as way to ‘normalize’ society to abnormal and criminal behavior.

ajacksonian on August 24, 2011 at 5:38 PM

We’ve seen the fallout from the decision to remove Homosexuality from the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM)

Learn from history, don’t let it be whitewashed!

E L Frederick (Sniper One) on August 24, 2011 at 5:38 PM

I was wondering how long it would take for one of the puritans here to blame this all on the gays. Just didn’t think it would be the second f***ing post.

Vyce on August 24, 2011 at 5:34 PM

No, not the gays. Those who push for the acceptance of certain afflictions into institutions that have no reason or moral duty to include said afflictions.

Some of those people happened to be gay. The majority were/are not.

anuts on August 24, 2011 at 5:39 PM

On the morality elevator, there is no bottom floor. There’s only a constant direction–down. That’s why you never want to push that first button.

RBMN on August 24, 2011 at 5:39 PM

let’s call them democrats!

rgranger on August 24, 2011 at 5:40 PM

Warren Jeffs and the FLDS are psyched!

yubley on August 24, 2011 at 5:40 PM

Gay marriage activists said we were crazy for believing that we’re on a slippery moral slope. Nobody would ever try to sanction pedophelia, they said. Just because same-sex marriage had been treated one way by society for centuries, and was now being treated another way, had no bearing on anything else.

I’m not equating the two acts or lifestyles are whatever. I’m just showing that the logic of one of their arguments was incorrect.

hawksruleva on August 24, 2011 at 5:40 PM

I wonder how this concept would play out in the middle east.

This is a scary world.

bridgetown on August 24, 2011 at 5:42 PM

Maybe there will be another take of Corey Feldman’s claim that pedophiles are running wild in Hollywood?

http://www.bluecollarphilosophy.com/2011/08/corey-feldman-says-pedophiles-are-like-vultures-in-hollywood-video.html

Hopefully some Conservatives will now reconsider their support for gay marriage and the normalization of homosexuality. If you accept the arguments that homosexuals are born that way, then the 13 year old boy is just as gay as the 30 year old man. Who are we to stand in the way of biology then, with our narrow minded and intolerant ways?

Blue Collar Todd on August 24, 2011 at 5:43 PM

Gay marriage activists said we were crazy for believing that we’re on a slippery moral slope. Nobody would ever try to sanction pedophelia, they said. Just because same-sex marriage had been treated one way by society for centuries, and was now being treated another way, had no bearing on anything else.

I’m not equating the two acts or lifestyles are whatever. I’m just showing that the logic of one of their arguments was incorrect.

hawksruleva on August 24, 2011 at 5:40 PM

I don’t see how these two things are at all, in any way, on the same level. They have NOTHING to do with each other.

bridgetown on August 24, 2011 at 5:43 PM

Ah yes, the American Psychiatric Association. And the fact that a certain group wants their acts to be treated “with tolerance” and “to be decriminalized” surprises you?

Let’s go back, probably about 20 years now. A certain group wanted their lifestyle to be “tolerated” and “understood” and wanted it “decriminalized”.

Back then they were called “homosexuals”.

Yep, the American Psychiatric Association is absolutely the first place to start. Eventually everything you want after that becomes “a right”.

GarandFan on August 24, 2011 at 5:44 PM

What’s wrong with psychiatrists seeking to help those attracted to children better understand why they have that tendency?

Since it appears that there is little psychiatrists can do to eliminate that attraction I don’t know that I care if the offenders understand why they’re perverts. I would care more that they understand that molesting children will result in swift and ugly punishment – as in castration & medication or death – their choice.

katiejane on August 24, 2011 at 5:44 PM

This is nothing new, remember the Brooke Shields Calvin Klein ads? She was 13! Jodie Foster who played a prostitute when she was only 14 in Taxi Driver. Now we have the Fanning sisters doing the same kind of roles.

Yes, it used to be that girls were married off at that age, but we live in a different age. Unfortunately, we’ve also lost the social stigma against most of these kind of things. I remember when my parents were appalled that teen mothers were pictured in my brother’s yearbook with their babies.

Common Sense on August 24, 2011 at 5:44 PM

Those who wish to remake society in their ugly, morally barren self-image (liberals) will never stop trying.

The Mega Independent on August 24, 2011 at 5:45 PM

I was wondering how long it would take for one of the puritans here to blame this all on the gays. Just didn’t think it would be the second f***ing post.
Vyce on August 24, 2011 at 5:34 PM

I was wondering how long it would take for you to berate someone’s comment using some slang meant to be derogatory, rather than commenting on the topic itself. Didn’t take long.

Bishop on August 24, 2011 at 5:45 PM

I wonder how this concept would play out in the middle east.

This is a scary world.

bridgetown on August 24, 2011 at 5:42 PM

Never heard of Man Love Thursday in Afghanistan?

E L Frederick (Sniper One) on August 24, 2011 at 5:45 PM

If you accept the arguments that homosexuals are born that way, then the 13 year old boy is just as gay as the 30 year old man. Who are we to stand in the way of biology then, with our narrow minded and intolerant ways?

Blue Collar Todd on August 24, 2011 at 5:43 PM

? What??? We don’t accept a hetero relations with children, either.
Homosexual marriage has nothing to do with pedophilia.

bridgetown on August 24, 2011 at 5:46 PM

Some things are just plain frightening.

jake-the-goose on August 24, 2011 at 5:46 PM

The APA has applied the disease model to criminal behavior before. Gays really have no part in all all this, except the creepy NAMBLA types.

clnurnberg on August 24, 2011 at 5:46 PM

Wonder how many of these shrinks are pedos themselves…

SuperCool on August 24, 2011 at 5:47 PM

I cannot believe the blatant pedophiliaphobia that is rampant in this thread!

Then again, having suffered the triumph of license over the past generation so that those who maintain that sex apart from marriage (as it has historically been defined in the West) is to be censured are now considered lower than scum, I imagine this is nothing but the fruits of the champions of perversion in a new iteration.

Scribbler on August 24, 2011 at 5:47 PM

@PrezHussein pedophiles are neither gay nor straight but rather people who abuse children for one of two major reasons. Gays on the whole do not advocate for lowering the age of consent, which is in it’s own right a strange and uneven concept even in our country, and has no biblical or religious constraint or guide. There is nothing similar between sex between two consenting adults and the rape and abuse of under age children. Any more than there is a link between straights and parents who sexually abuse their own children or grandchildren.
Gays are a natural nonthreatening sexual human expression . Since there is only potential positive social and governmental issues involved. Being gay would be abnormal if it didn’t happen on a consistent repeatable statistical percent of all human populations.
Pedophilia doesn’t meet any of those criteria and does not deserve to be part of the same conversation.

Zekecorlain on February 23, 2011 at 11:11 PM

I struggle to understand what was meant here.

hawkdriver on August 24, 2011 at 5:47 PM

I struggle to understand what was meant here.

hawkdriver on August 24, 2011 at 5:47 PM

Let me help you. Homosexuality has NOTHING TO DO with Pedophilia.

bridgetown on August 24, 2011 at 5:49 PM

? What??? We don’t accept a hetero relations with children, either.
Homosexual marriage has nothing to do with pedophilia.

bridgetown on August 24, 2011 at 5:46 PM

The two and intimately linked. Talk about an ad hoc and totally contradictory view of human nature and human sexuality. If one claims that homosexuality is innate, then all forms of sexuality are innate, and therefore must be indulged in. What’s next, studies showing the adultery in biological? Polygamy? The same applies to them as well. Homosexual activists are the ones pushing for us to accept pedophilia.

Blue Collar Todd on August 24, 2011 at 5:49 PM

Unless the APA can prove that some neuroleptic can cure this “disease” they should shut up and leave it to the criminal justice system.

If there is a miracle cure it should be court mandated that the “ill” take it.

clnurnberg on August 24, 2011 at 5:50 PM

Lefties are not liberal, progressive, for people/children’s rights, just and etc.

They are just elitist pretenders who have hyjacked the terms.

Schadenfreude on August 24, 2011 at 5:33 PM

I dunno, I’m starting to think they’re just a bunch of mental defectives and this story ain’t dissuading me any…

SuperCool on August 24, 2011 at 5:51 PM

our reaction to this, is the same as our reactions to Gay Marriage/Promotion 30yrs ago. horrified, then things evolve, then acceptance follows.

Polygamist and Inscestors have a strong case to make at this point.

jp on August 24, 2011 at 5:51 PM

I was wondering how long it would take for one of the puritans here to blame this all on the gays. Just didn’t think it would be the second f***ing post.

Vyce on August 24, 2011 at 5:34 PM

Boy did you miss the bus… we aren’t BLAMING the gays. We are simply stating the correlation between the 1970′s decision to remove Homosexuality from the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM) and the Gay marriage debate; and the same thing now.

Correlation is not blame.

E L Frederick (Sniper One) on August 24, 2011 at 5:52 PM

The pedophilia caboose on the Gay/Lesbian train is coming into view.

Hening on August 24, 2011 at 5:53 PM

Unless the APA can prove that some neuroleptic can cure this “disease” they should shut up and leave it to the criminal justice system.

If there is a miracle cure it should be court mandated that the “ill” take it.

clnurnberg on August 24, 2011 at 5:50 PM

That would mean there could be a cure for homosexuality and we know that would never be accepted by the Left. The only option is to try and mainstream pedophilia like homosexuality. Why else are gay activists seeking to indoctrinate kindergartners on the subject?

http://www.bluecollarphilosophy.com/2011/08/my-reasons-for-home-schooling-in-california.html

Blue Collar Todd on August 24, 2011 at 5:54 PM

Let me help you. Homosexuality has NOTHING TO DO with Pedophilia.

bridgetown on August 24, 2011 at 5:49 PM

True. The fact remains however that many said the arguments used by the proponents of gay marriage would be used by others to rationalize, excuse or decriminalize their behavior.

And here we are.

catmman on August 24, 2011 at 5:54 PM

Sniper One – don’t bother, you can’t fix stupid. He doesn’t see the connection.

GarandFan on August 24, 2011 at 5:54 PM

I was wondering how long it would take for one of the puritans here to blame this all on the gays. Just didn’t think it would be the second f***ing post.

Vyce on August 24, 2011 at 5:34 PM

No one is “blaming this all on teh gays”, rather we are pointing out that when society basically throws it’s hands up and says it’s ok to stick your johnson anywhere you please, we are heading down the proverbial road to he**.

Tim Zank on August 24, 2011 at 5:55 PM

I was wondering how long it would take for one of the puritans here to blame this all on the gays. Just didn’t think it would be the second f***ing post.

Vyce on August 24, 2011 at 5:34 PM

Were you as amused by the “HURP DURP FIRST GAY MARRIAGE THEN MEN MARRYING CHILDREN” remark(s) as I was? As if gay marriage came before, and gave rise to, adult men marrying young childrengirls.

Jeddite on August 24, 2011 at 5:55 PM

I don’t see any specific evidence that this group is wanting to decriminalize or “normalize” pedophilia, only a claim of what the group “appears” to represent. Is there a link for more information?

VerbumSap on August 24, 2011 at 5:55 PM

Tina, what are your thoughts on homosexuality? Do you agree with the commenters here that continue to equate consenting adults engaging in homosexual relations to pedophilia? You ought to make your stance known, given the way posts like this bring out the worst in HA commenters.

ernesto on August 24, 2011 at 5:55 PM

The two and intimately linked. Talk about an ad hoc and totally contradictory view of human nature and human sexuality. If one claims that homosexuality is innate, then all forms of sexuality are innate, and therefore must be indulged in. What’s next, studies showing the adultery in biological? Polygamy? The same applies to them as well. Homosexual activists are the ones pushing for us to accept pedophilia.

Blue Collar Todd on August 24, 2011 at 5:49 PM

No. They are not linked, any more than a heterosexual relationship is linked to pedophilia.
That’s simply a lie.

bridgetown on August 24, 2011 at 5:55 PM

Vyce on August 24, 2011 at 5:34 PM

Yah, the fact that they allow peds to appear in Gay parades is just a huge coincidence.

Hening on August 24, 2011 at 5:56 PM

well, I can only call on the absolutely SUPERIOR INTELLIGENCE of a very very wise woman named WHOPPI who once decriminalized it by stating “It’s not like its RAPE-RAPE” and that pretty much sums up where this country is headed…especially those without brains who watch a show such as the View or Bill Maher…..

SDarchitect on August 24, 2011 at 5:56 PM

the thrust of the B4U-Act movement appears to be, ultimately, to decriminalize pedophilia.

What an incredibly stupid idea.

AZCoyote on August 24, 2011 at 5:57 PM

Pedophilia is rampant in hollywood.

bridgetown on August 24, 2011 at 5:57 PM

bridgetown on August 24, 2011 at 5:49 PM

I didn’t say it did. He does seem to be saying that there is no Biblical or religious basis for establishing any age of consent.

hawkdriver on August 24, 2011 at 5:57 PM

Group of psychiatrists wants to redefine pedophilia to promote tolerance

Alternate headline:

Group of psychiatrists need their damn heads examined.

hillbillyjim on August 24, 2011 at 5:58 PM

Blue Collar Todd on August 24, 2011 at 5:49 PM

You’re a sad, nauseating, hateful excuse of a human being.

Vyce on August 24, 2011 at 5:59 PM

I didn’t say it did. He does seem to be saying that there is no Biblical or religious basis for establishing any age of consent.

hawkdriver on August 24, 2011 at 5:57 PM

There may not be biblical or religious basis, but what about COMMON FREAKING SENSE? Sorry, but just because she bleeds; doesn’t mean she needs to be married off to Warren Jeffs.

E L Frederick (Sniper One) on August 24, 2011 at 5:59 PM

ernesto on August 24, 2011 at 5:55 PM

still hiding your male partners from your female ones? you should be honest with them. until then your moralizing is a JOKE.

CW on August 24, 2011 at 5:59 PM

our reaction to this, is the same as our reactions to Gay Marriage/Promotion 30yrs ago. horrified, then things evolve, then acceptance follows.

Polygamist and Inscestors have a strong case to make at this point.

jp on August 24, 2011 at 5:51 PM

I wouldn’t bet money on that, Hombre.

There’s a lot of ways pedophilia will be described in this country, but “acceptable” will never be one of them.

The academics have finally reached for their “Bridge Too Far”…the backlash on this will not be pretty.

SuperCool on August 24, 2011 at 6:01 PM

“and to educate the citizens of Maryland regarding issues faced by these individuals”

That seems to be the biggest problem right there. That’s just another way of saying that their goal is to reduce society’s condemnation of pedophilia.

JohnJ on August 24, 2011 at 6:01 PM

This is born out of our anything goes society and the PC world. If you dare make a judgment you are called names rather than discussing the merits of said point.

CW on August 24, 2011 at 6:01 PM

I wonder how this concept would play out in the middle east.

This is a scary world.

bridgetown on August 24, 2011 at 5:42 PM

Muhammad was down with it. What was it, a nine-year old bride?

hillbillyjim on August 24, 2011 at 6:01 PM

I wouldn’t bet money on that, Hombre.

There’s a lot of ways pedophilia will be described in this country, but “acceptable” will never be one of them.

The academics have finally reached for their “Bridge Too Far”…the backlash on this will not be pretty.

SuperCool on August 24, 2011 at 6:01 PM

I’m sure someone said the same thing 30 years ago about the Same-Sex-Marriage

E L Frederick (Sniper One) on August 24, 2011 at 6:02 PM

What do you know, the slippery slope from free love to pedophilia, pederasty, and polyamory really was a slippery slope.

CatoRenasci on August 24, 2011 at 6:02 PM

As I said, Tina: posts like this bring the worst out of HA commenters. What are your feelings on the equation of homosexual relations with pedophilia?

ernesto on August 24, 2011 at 6:02 PM

This sickens me. To my very core, it sickens me.

To this day, my kids and hubby think I’m over protective. Well I am, and I’m not ashamed. I wanted them to get thru their childhoods untouched, unhurt.

Now they want to make it a sickness that’s ok? At childrens expense? NO! Hell NO!!!!

How many of the shrinks who came up with this hair brained idea, are, or lean toward pedophelia? How many of THEM are attracted to children? Because I can’t see any of them being fathers or mothers of children, and would think this is ok! Unless …well…what the hell is going on in their houses?

capejasmine on August 24, 2011 at 6:03 PM

Did we finally find a line that we can hold?

CW on August 24, 2011 at 6:03 PM

Hey folks, give it a freaking break! Take some time to read and think. So when did being ‘gay’ become acceptable? AFTER the good shrinks said it was okay, it wasn’t “abnormal”. And things rolled on from there.

Now we have the same shrinks being approached by a group, that is sexually attracted to children. They want to be “understood”, they want their actions “decriminalized”.

And the observation has been made, ‘Oh, just like gays did. And look were gays are today.

Follow now?

Sorry if you don’t see the pattern emerging. No one is accusing gays of condoning pedophilia. No one is saying your closet members of NAMBLA.

GarandFan on August 24, 2011 at 6:03 PM

As I said, Tina: posts like this bring the worst out of HA commenters. What are your feelings on the equation of homosexual relations with pedophilia?

ernesto on August 24, 2011 at 6:02 PM

and what do her feelings have to do with it?

E L Frederick (Sniper One) on August 24, 2011 at 6:03 PM

Let me help you. Homosexuality has NOTHING TO DO with Pedophilia.

bridgetown on August 24, 2011 at 5:49 PM

Unless the adult is involved with a child of the same sex. The Leftist argument that same sex pedophiles are not Gay is pure legend. It’s a sham to distance the perversion of same sex from the perversion of adults wanting power over children sexually of the same sex.

Hening on August 24, 2011 at 6:04 PM

E L Frederick (Sniper One) on August 24, 2011 at 5:59 PM

I’m commenting on someone else comment, not advocating it. My point is that the theme of “age of concent” being an archaic idea, has been at times mentioned in arguments right here on Hot Air where others say it does not exist at all.

If it were up to me, my daughter wouldn’t have been able to date until 35.

hawkdriver on August 24, 2011 at 6:04 PM

Gay marriage activists said we were crazy for believing that we’re on a slippery moral slope. Nobody would ever try to sanction pedophelia, they said. Just because same-sex marriage had been treated one way by society for centuries, and was now being treated another way, had no bearing on anything else.

I’m not equating the two acts or lifestyles are whatever. I’m just showing that the logic of one of their arguments was incorrect.

hawksruleva on August 24, 2011 at 5:40 PM

I won’t be surprised at all when the “incest community” demands it’s “right” to “marry the one they love”. Once one perversion is normalized the slippery slope is inevitable.

whatcat on August 24, 2011 at 6:04 PM

Gee, who would have ever thought that after all the effort to “normalize” homosexual behavior, they’d move on to pedophilia next?

P.S. save your name-calling, Lefties. I subscribe to no religious or moral beliefs regarding homosexuality, just simple statistics: no matter how you slice and dice the numbers, homosexuality is an abnormal behavior.

glockomatic on August 24, 2011 at 6:04 PM

No. They are not linked, any more than a heterosexual relationship is linked to pedophilia.
That’s simply a lie.

bridgetown on August 24, 2011 at 5:55 PM

I haven’t seen anyone link homosexuality to pedophilia on this thread yet. There is however, a distinct correlation to enablers who feel necessary for all of society to “accept” abnormal behavior as a norm. When one is accomplished another fills the void. This story demonstrates such. And the same “rights” argument is always applied. It will be here too.

anuts on August 24, 2011 at 6:04 PM

This genuinely sickens me.

Gatsu on August 24, 2011 at 6:04 PM

No one is “blaming this all on teh gays”, rather we are pointing out that when society basically throws it’s hands up and says it’s ok to stick your johnson anywhere you please, we are heading down the proverbial road to he**.

But the puritans will be sure to hint at it in every post.

Pablo Honey on August 24, 2011 at 6:04 PM

Funny, this same thing happened with homosexuality in the 1970s.

Vashta.Nerada on August 24, 2011 at 6:04 PM

If it were up to me, my daughter wouldn’t have been able to date until 35.

hawkdriver on August 24, 2011 at 6:04 PM

I’m just glad I don’t have daughters.

E L Frederick (Sniper One) on August 24, 2011 at 6:05 PM

Ernie as usual is too obtuse to understand the point.

Nobody is blaming gays for pedophile you dolt. But the attitude of anything goes, live and let live, do whatever makes you feel good has led to the inevitable push to legitimize pedophilia as well.

angryed on August 24, 2011 at 6:05 PM

Do not cross that line. Ever.

Even that liberal lion Sen. Moynihan cautioned against “Defining Deviancy Down” subtitled “How We’ve Become Accustomed to Alarming Levels of Crime and Destructive Behavior.”

Fallon on August 24, 2011 at 6:05 PM

There are topics the advocacy of which should expose people to physical danger. This is one of them.

Mason on August 24, 2011 at 6:06 PM

One of my relatives is a psychiatrist. She told me that a pedophile turned up in her practice once. She appreciated that he was seeking treatment to keep from acting on his urges. However, she had to refer him to another doctor. The problem was she couldn’t listen to him discussing those urges and give him therapy when all she wanted to do was jump up and shoot him in the head.

Jill1066 on August 24, 2011 at 6:06 PM

I haven’t seen anyone link homosexuality to pedophilia on this thread yet. There is however, a distinct correlation to enablers who feel necessary for all of society to “accept” abnormal behavior as a norm. When one is accomplished another fills the void. This story demonstrates such. And the same “rights” argument is always applied. It will be here too.

anuts on August 24, 2011 at 6:04 PM

That is why divorce and non-marital sex should be outlawed.

One day you are boinking your non-marital same sex partner and the next you are violating a child.

That is how it goes.

Pablo Honey on August 24, 2011 at 6:07 PM

I knew this was coming. It was only a matter of time. It won’t be long when “discriminating” against a convicted pedophile will fall under “hate crime” laws and you won’t be able to exclude them in hiring in schools.

ramrants on August 24, 2011 at 6:07 PM

Knew this was coming. When you mainstream the idea that homosexuality is fine and dandy, arguments against the other immoral and illegal sexual preferences suddenly become pretty thin.

YoungAmerican on August 24, 2011 at 6:07 PM

Ask Aisha how she liked it when Mohammad violated her at the ripe old age of nine.

God, how idiotic can these people be?

Quite damn idiotic, it seems.

hillbillyjim on August 24, 2011 at 6:07 PM

The simple fact is, every single argument for homosexual marriage, applies exactly the same to pedophilia, consanguineous marriage, polygamy – the whole gamut of deviance that Western civilization tried to stamp out.

Evidently, civilization is not politically correct.

Rebar on August 24, 2011 at 6:07 PM

The founder, Mike Melsheimer, is a convicted pedophile. The main shrink, Dr. Fred Berlin, is a defender of pedophiles in court.

Their real name should be NAMBLA of Maryland.

Why are they exempt from taxes?

batterup on August 24, 2011 at 6:07 PM

Good luck with that. Let’s see how things work out when the folks know that a child molester won’t be arrested and put in jail. They’ll just “handle things on their own” instead, and the sick pervs will be begging for the police to arrest them.

Rational Thought

I happened to be in northern Wash. State 5 years ago (or so) when someone murdered 2 such perverted men in their home. Those things are already starting to happen. And I also recall something similar in Maine in the last year or two where the perpetrator of a similar killing was an older teen from Nova Scotia or New Brunswick. Most likely the victim of their abuse.

Gays on the whole do not advocate for lowering the age of consent, which is in it’s own right a strange and uneven concept even in our country, and has no biblical or religious constraint or guide.

HOGWASH! About 20 years ago, the (Socialist) NDP member of Parliament in Canada – an openly gay adult – browbeat the governing Liberals into lowering the age of consent in that country to 14!!! Only under the current Prime Minister Stephen Harper was it raised about 3 years ago to 16 – with certain caveats that legally discourage more than a 3-4 year age difference between consenting youths.

honsy on August 24, 2011 at 6:08 PM

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