Gallup: Obama’s job approval down to 38/54

posted at 4:49 pm on August 23, 2011 by Allahpundit

A new low to match today’s new low in Rasmussen. He dipped below 40 percent briefly 10 days ago but then inched up a bit. Today a little more air exits the balloon. I think he’s one golf photo away from the magical Bushian 35 percent mark.

It’s no secret what’s driving this, of course. As bad as his overall rating is, his rating on the economy is simply gruesome. And unfortunately for all of us, there may be no way out. Here’s Richard Posner, one of America’s most eminent judges (a Reagan appointee to the Seventh Circuit) and a pioneer in the field of law and economics, basically throwing in the towel:

If the notion that we are merely living through the aftereffects of a mere “recession” that ended in 2009 sounds somewhat ridiculous, that’s because it is. If we were being honest with ourselves, we would call this a depression. That would certainly better convey both the severity of our problems, and the fact that those problems have no evident solutions…

[A]nything that takes money out of the economy, such as reducing federal spending or increasing federal taxes, will exacerbate the current depression. Consumers will have less money to spend, and this will discourage employers from hiring. So the reforms that I have been discussing should be phased in gradually over a period of years.

But it’s not clear that we have enough years. Suppose that the economy recovers by the end of 2012, and in 2013 and subsequent years grows at a 4 percent annual rate. (The long-term growth rate is about 3 percent, but growth is usually more rapid when it starts from a low level.) The public debt won’t continue to grow at 17 or 18 percent a year, but suppose it grows at 7 percent a year. Then the already very large federal deficit will continue to grow, and indeed, to compound: At a 7 percent annual growth rate, our public debt in 2012, estimated at $12.4 trillion, will grow by 40 percent in five years if none of the reforms designed to limit that growth are implemented before the end of that period. Yet if they are implemented while the economy is still struggling, the result may actually be to increase the deficit by driving tax revenues down (because incomes will be depressed) despite the elimination of loopholes, and by increasing transfer payments to the unemployed and others hard hit by the economic crisis.

The result is a quandary. I don’t see a way out of it. I hope others do.

We can’t afford austerity measures that will further impede growth while the economy is struggling, but we can’t afford not to enact austerity measures or else the debt will be growing uncontrollably by the time the economy’s humming again. And even if we do opt for austerity now, the debt may grow anyway simply because the economy will shrink even more dramatically than spending will. An obvious compromise would be to agree to a new stimulus now in exchange for truly dramatic entitlement reform beginning in, say, five years, but I’m not sure either side would agree to that. Maybe you could get a critical mass of Republicans to spend more now if the entitlement end of the deal was impressive enough, but you’ll never get Democrats to agree to that. Nothing short of a Grecian catastrophe will convince them that reforming Social Security and Medicare is worth the political backlash. Oh well. Let’s get on with it.

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Let it burn.

Been my motto since 2008.

lorien1973 on August 23, 2011 at 4:51 PM

I wish the election is this year.

Apologetic California on August 23, 2011 at 4:51 PM

Good.

petefrt on August 23, 2011 at 4:52 PM

Gallup: Obama’s job approval down to 38/54

He is mastering the skill of lowering the bar.

rukiddingme on August 23, 2011 at 4:52 PM

Reducing federal spending will “take money out of the economy and exacerbate the depression”? Yeah, right.

The Mega Independent on August 23, 2011 at 4:53 PM

can a primary challenge by far off?

unseen on August 23, 2011 at 4:54 PM

down, down, down and the flames went higher

Nelsen on August 23, 2011 at 4:56 PM

With retirement a few short years away, this scares the crap out of me. I want to quit working and live off my savings, if I have any left after all of this.

bopbottle on August 23, 2011 at 4:56 PM

How low can he go?

conservative pilgrim on August 23, 2011 at 4:57 PM

How about we just try something different that has worked in the past: cut all tax rates and stop wasteful excessive government spending. How can this backfire? I don’t think you really even need draconian cuts to get started…….

search4truth on August 23, 2011 at 4:57 PM

An obvious compromise would be to agree to a new stimulus now in exchange for truly dramatic entitlement reform beginning in, say, five years, but I’m not sure either side would agree to that.

Say what? Another stimulus and kicking the can down the road another 5 years? Like the last one worked out so well?

Have you been playing golf at Martha’s Vineyard with King Barry, AP?

Knucklehead on August 23, 2011 at 4:57 PM

Honestly, I’m shocked they’d report it this low.

SouthernGent on August 23, 2011 at 4:57 PM

can a primary challenge by far off?

unseen on August 23, 2011 at 4:54 PM

I’ve heard grumblings about Al Gore. Yeah.

Nelsen on August 23, 2011 at 4:57 PM

Who ARE these 38%??

leftnomore on August 23, 2011 at 4:58 PM

Short term pain for long term gain!.

hawkman on August 23, 2011 at 4:58 PM

Like a semi-functional alcoholic, our economy will have to “hit bottom” before D.C. sobers up.

hillbillyjim on August 23, 2011 at 4:58 PM

An obvious compromise would be to agree to a new stimulus now in exchange for truly dramatic entitlement reform beginning in, say, five years, but I’m not sure either side would agree to that.

Cuz no one would back out of that promise, of course.

lorien1973 on August 23, 2011 at 4:59 PM

Fair tax would be a step in the right direction, but it won’t happen unless all the people go to DC with pitchforks.

carbon_footprint on August 23, 2011 at 5:00 PM

Earth shaking!

Bruno Strozek on August 23, 2011 at 5:00 PM

An obvious compromise would be to agree to a new stimulus now in exchange for truly dramatic entitlement reform beginning in, say, five years, but I’m not sure either side would agree to that.

No. An obvious compromise would be for Obama to freeze all regulatory action in the pipeline and start peeling back regulations that are impeding growth.

While Congress worked on cutting spending back to 2007 levels.

ButterflyDragon on August 23, 2011 at 5:02 PM

How low can he go?

All the way to 0, but in reality, I think 30 is the minimum, given 75% of blacks and 50% of hispanics are totally in the tank for Obama.

On the other side, his maximum has only been about 54%, and that was only for a brief time early in his term. That low level of a max indicates that 45% of the population is solidly against him. It is going to be tough for him to generate the emotion he had in 2008, which wsa the reason he won by 7%.

gonnjos on August 23, 2011 at 5:02 PM

Okay so maybe it should be: The Obama Depression, you bone it you own it.

Chip on August 23, 2011 at 5:02 PM

Stop the overregulation and start drilling: Everyone and everything wins, except the environmental whackos.

GaltBlvnAtty on August 23, 2011 at 5:02 PM

And unfortunately for all of us, there may be no way out.

Yes there is, President Downgrade could resign.

(After Bite-me of course)

Chip on August 23, 2011 at 5:04 PM

No. An obvious compromise would be for Obama to freeze all regulatory action in the pipeline and start peeling back regulations that are impeding growth.

While Congress worked on cutting spending back to 2007 levels.

ButterflyDragon on August 23, 2011 at 5:02 PM

And getting rid of Unconstitutional ObamneyCare

Chip on August 23, 2011 at 5:05 PM

Yes, austerity may impact the economy negatively in the short term (it certainly will on paper since government spending counts as a part of GDP).

But the federal government is maybe the most inefficient allocator of capital on the planet. All it’s doing is stealing money from the future and spending on things that rarely contribute to economic growth. We could easily cut 10% of all discretionary spending with zero real negative impact.

BadgerHawk on August 23, 2011 at 5:06 PM

Who ARE these 38%??

leftnomore on August 23, 2011 at 4:58 PM

The couple in front of me at Wal-mart today had name brand groceries and 2 – 24 packs of bud light. First she swiped her Lone-Star card & then plunked down some money for the beer. They were both obese, and someone paid for all the tattoos they were covered in.

There’s part of your 38%.

batterup on August 23, 2011 at 5:06 PM

It’s no secret what’s driving this, of course.

Congress’s low approval, right?

Oh yeah, and those earthquakes today didn’t help…

BlueCollarAstronaut on August 23, 2011 at 5:07 PM

Who ARE these 38%??

leftnomore on August 23, 2011 at 4:58 PM

Er, well I think he’s doing a fine job.

crr6 on August 10, 2011 at 6:15 PM

Del Dolemonte on August 23, 2011 at 5:07 PM

Increasing federal spending hasn’t led to GDP growth, but decreasing federal spending will now shrink GDP? Isn’t that a sign that increasing federal spending is basically a can’t-win proposition?

theperfecteconomist on August 23, 2011 at 5:08 PM

I swear you’re gonna drive me to drink AP. Can’t you at least link a kitten sneezing or dogs trying to talk before hitting us with the Posner article?

Meric1837 on August 23, 2011 at 5:09 PM

I’ve heard grumblings about Al Gore. Yeah.

Nelsen on August 23, 2011 at 4:57 PM

Are you serious? It would force obama to the left even more, if that is possible. I have thought that Bayh and or Feingold may challenge him

ConservativePartyNow on August 23, 2011 at 5:10 PM

Defeat Obama and brutally prune regulation and regulatory agencies. States, counties and local municipalities need to do it too. Take the scissors to the code book that’s been growing for decades.

Government spends less, and private businesses save an immense amount of time and money.

It’s the only option that can work.

forest on August 23, 2011 at 5:10 PM

And getting rid of Unconstitutional ObamneyCare

Chip on August 23, 2011 at 5:05 PM

Well, I figured the Judicial Branch is working on that front, so might as well keep the Executive and Legislative Branches busy.

It’s a 3 pronged approach!!

ButterflyDragon on August 23, 2011 at 5:10 PM

It’s been mentioned several times and in several places that there is a couple trillion sitting on the sidelines. And will continue to sit there because of uncertainty. Uncertainty of the current administration.

Maybe our first task is to eliminate the cause of uncertainty. Because it should be quite obvious by now, the current administration is not going to change.

GarandFan on August 23, 2011 at 5:10 PM

Sooner or later his numbers will go up a little and some fool will tab him as “The Comeback Kid.”

SleeplessinChicago on August 23, 2011 at 5:10 PM

Who ARE these 38%??

Welfare recipients, deadbeats, Wall Street types, Unions in other words the Democrat base

skanter on August 23, 2011 at 5:11 PM

This is the fault of congress. PBHO should have the EPA ban congress, then Holder should investigate them for something, anything.

Bishop on August 23, 2011 at 5:13 PM

I reject the entire premise that says “cutting government spending might harm an already weak economy”. This economy, I think is like a rocket sitting on the launch pad, fueled up and ready to go. It’s just waiting for the regulatory environment to clear up so it can aim itself. Obamacare must be killed in it’s cradle through repeal or the SCOTUS overturning it in it’s entirety. We have until 2014 to get it done, or we really are toast.

2014 is the day that no sane employer will offer health care coverage. And federal spending is going to explode.

Mord on August 23, 2011 at 5:13 PM

But at the same time, Rasmussen told us yesterday that one in five conservatives will hold their noses and vote for four more years of this godawful administration, with all of its economic destructiveness, and all of its fecklessness on the foreign policy front, and all of its tendency to call its critics racists, and all of its patterns of taking bad situations and letting them metastasize into crises — if the alternative turns out to be Sarah Palin. WTF??? Who the hell are these people?

Aitch748 on August 23, 2011 at 5:14 PM

And all while on vacation… wow.

parteagirl on August 23, 2011 at 5:14 PM

Couldn’t happen to a more deserving fellow…

sandee on August 23, 2011 at 5:15 PM

There is always a way out of financial difficulties.

Dog walker on August 23, 2011 at 5:18 PM

I’ve heard grumblings about Al Gore. Yeah.

Nelsen on August 23, 2011 at 4:57 PM

Release the Chakras!!!

parteagirl on August 23, 2011 at 5:18 PM

The anti-austerity “OMG what about growth” argument doesn’t pan out at all. Gross Domestic Purchases were $500 billion more than they were in 2007, meaning that demand recovered almost immediately. The issue is, and always has been, lending, which went from consistently around $4 trillion per year in new lending up through 2008, which dropped into the negative in 2009 and went back up to $500 billion in 2010 (still $3.5 trillion below 2008).
Not only can we afford austerity, we can’t afford not to. Lenders aren’t going to get back into the game until the rules are established (including a stable fiscal environment).

galenrox on August 23, 2011 at 5:18 PM


I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than those attending too small a degree of it.

– Thomas Jefferson


I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too small government than those attending too large a degree of it.

– WashJeff

Let’s try the “decrease spending during a recesion” option since it has not been tried in 90 years.

WashJeff on August 23, 2011 at 5:19 PM

Who ARE these 38%??

I asked the same thing, and a friend said:
1.) Obama family members
2.) People whose jobs depend on the Dems being in control

hoosiermama on August 23, 2011 at 5:21 PM

If only we were like the Chinese!

/Thomas Friedman

RedRedRice on August 23, 2011 at 5:23 PM

if the alternative turns out to be Sarah Palin. WTF??? Who the hell are these people?

Aitch748 on August 23, 2011 at 5:14 PM

A Palin supporter who hates Rick Perry, that’s who.

Knucklehead on August 23, 2011 at 5:24 PM

Nothing can be done? BS

Lot’s can be done to repair the damage and move us forward.

Kill Obamacare.

Raise the Social Security age.

Go after the Social Security disability deadbeats that have increased ten fold in the last several years.

Close the EPA, reform the FCC and close the DOE and Dept of Education. They’re useless.

Institute a flat tax and reduce the IRS.

There are others but can’t think of them now.

WC on August 23, 2011 at 5:24 PM

Yeah, but Rasmussen is nothing but a Republican Party Hack, and this poll means nothing… just ask the PalinBots…

E L Frederick (Sniper One) on August 23, 2011 at 5:24 PM

“We can’t afford austerity measures that will further impede growth while the economy is struggling, but we can’t afford not to enact austerity measures or else the debt will be growing uncontrollably by the time the economy’s humming again.”

..so, basically, Obama took a bad situation and made it irretrievably worse. By not vetting him and electing this moron, this incompetent boob, all of the brain-dead MSM and the Hope-and=-Change-from-Obama’s-Stash proletariat have doomed the good, hardworking, honest element of this society to live in an economic third-world toilet.

I will never forgive them nor him nor the Democrats for the rest of my life. The GOP ain’t saints here (far from it), but it will be a cold day in Hell before i do anything but urinate on anyone with a (D) after their names.

The War Planner on August 23, 2011 at 5:26 PM

Who ARE these 38%??

90% of black voters = 11ish%
60% of Latino voters = 7ish%
90% of lib voters = 18ish%

11 + 7 + 18 = 36% + 2% random idiots = 38%

El_Terrible on August 23, 2011 at 5:27 PM

Change we can believe in.

meci on August 23, 2011 at 5:29 PM

What Posner and many others don’t admt is that there is no such thing as government spending: all such spending consists of money taken from another taxpayer, one alive now or one to come to pay off the debt.

Cutting government spending would have only a temporary negative effect, and then a positive one as businesses and individuals realized the government was phasing out of the redistribution by debt racket.

PattyJ on August 23, 2011 at 5:30 PM

“At a 7 percent annual growth rate…”

Hey…!

… Don’t blame this all on me!

Seven Percent Solution on August 23, 2011 at 5:31 PM

Stupido

/Never underestimate the reaction of Legal Immigrants. Stupido.

Key West Reader on August 23, 2011 at 5:32 PM

Usually Øbama’s popularity goes up when on vacation, but now it is going down… oh wait … he spoke today didn’t he, or was that yesterday. I don’t really known.. I never have payed any attention to him.

Dasher on August 23, 2011 at 5:32 PM

IOW, we are well and truly f’ed.

Purple Fury on August 23, 2011 at 5:33 PM

E-Verify BHO’s SSN.

/Now, there’s a job for Brietbart.

Owch. No Match.

Key West Reader on August 23, 2011 at 5:33 PM

You can almost hear Wolfy now…

BLITZER, MARCH 13, 2006: It’s 4 p.m. here in Washington. So you’re getting the first look right now at our brand-new poll. The president’s job approval rating has taken a downward turn again, falling to only 36%.

[break] This represents his lowest rating ever in the CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll.

[break] The president’s poll numbers are pretty bad, pretty awful right now, rock bottom as far as the CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll.

[break] The president’s Iraq problem and his new low point in the polls.

[break] His approval and policies now are at new lows.

[break] The president’s job approval number in this new CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll, rock bottom, the lowest it’s ever been.

[break] It’s 5 p.m. here in Washington where President Bush takes a beating in our latest poll. His approval rating at a low ebb.

[break] Our latest CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll just out in the past hour shows the president at an all-time low.

[break] His job approval rating at a new low.

[break] That’s rock bottom as far as our poll is concerned.

[break] It’s 7 p.m. here in Washington. The war in Iraq comes home to roost for President Bush. Our latest poll numbers showing his approval rating at a new low.

[break] Also: President Bush hits a new low in the polls. [break] Now back to our lead story: President Bush’s approval rating now at an all-time low.

[break] As we noted, a new CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll shows his job approval rating at a new low.

[break] President Bush’s approval rating at a new low, 36%.

… Oh, wait!

Seven Percent Solution on August 23, 2011 at 5:34 PM

We can’t afford austerity measures that will further impede growth while the economy is struggling, but we can’t afford not to enact austerity measures or else the debt will be growing uncontrollably by the time the economy’s humming again. And even if we do opt for austerity now, the debt may grow anyway simply because the economy will shrink even more dramatically than spending will.

Deficits are equal to government spending minus government revenue, not to government spending minus GDP. Eliminating some of the vast amount of wasteful federal spending that is more or less equivalent to paying people to dig holes and fill them back up (or to bureaucrats pushing paper around) will have a far smaller effect on tax revenue that it will have on spending. In the longer run, managing our debt depends not only on reducing the current bloated levels of spending but on fostering growth in the real economy, the private sector. Posner’s article explicitly blames Bush and the Federal Reserve as the root causes of this depression and downplays the vast regulatory expansion of government under the Obama administration, but it’s government interference that is the primary cause of turning this economic downturn into a depression. Overturn Obama-era regulations, and the mass of job-killing regulations and laws enacted in earlier years, and growth in business activity will be restored. Robust economic growth requires government to get out of the way of productive economic activity, not government spending programs that add nothing of value but are helpful to politicians because they obfuscate statistics.

DKCZ on August 23, 2011 at 5:34 PM

Usually Øbama’s popularity goes up when on vacation, but now it is going down… oh wait … he spoke today didn’t he, or was that yesterday. I don’t really known.. I never have payed any attention to him.

Dasher on August 23, 2011 at 5:32 PM

I’m thinking it’s the girlie bike. And the lack of salt on french fries. And the MomJeans. And the sneakers.

/Michelle got a nose job.

Key West Reader on August 23, 2011 at 5:35 PM

Hello, Evan Bayh. How are you today.

SlaveDog on August 23, 2011 at 5:36 PM

ahhhh…it’s been awhile since you’ve honored us with debree of pessimism AP.

ok, everybody sing along with me

1…lower personal tax rates
2…lower corporate tax rates
3…lower the capital gain tax rate
4…elect anyone but barack obama

then just sit back and watch the rebound of all rebounds.

capitalism is optimism monetized!

DrW on August 23, 2011 at 5:38 PM

90% of lib voters = 18ish%

11 + 7 + 18 = 36% + 2% random idiots = 38%

El_Terrible on August 23, 2011 at 5:27 PM

You are double counting liberal blacks/hispanics. Drop the to about 9% and another 9% of senile citizens who are going to approve of anyone who keeps the checks coming.

pedestrian on August 23, 2011 at 5:38 PM

Comments on the Posner article over at TNR pretty much what you’d expect.

I mean, even if you had everybody operating in good faith, this would be a hell of a nut. But you’ve got two ends of the political spectrum who don’t even agree on what the facts are.

We are SO f’ed.

Purple Fury on August 23, 2011 at 5:40 PM

You are double counting liberal blacks/hispanics. Drop the to about 9% and another 9% of senile citizens who are going to approve of anyone who keeps the checks coming.

pedestrian on August 23, 2011 at 5:38 PM

You’re right. There’s some overlap in those categories, but I’m not too sure how much of it there is.

El_Terrible on August 23, 2011 at 5:42 PM

Oh yeah, and those earthquakes today didn’t help…

BlueCollarAstronaut on August 23, 2011 at 5:07 PM

That wasn’t a quake, it was his approval rating going into the ground and digging.

teke184 on August 23, 2011 at 5:45 PM

Say what? Another stimulus and kicking the can down the road another 5 years? Like the last one worked out so well?

Have you been playing golf at Martha’s Vineyard with King Barry, AP?

Knucklehead on August 23, 2011 at 4:57 PM

I’m with you knuck, AP agreeing with Obama’s WTF?

IowaWoman on August 23, 2011 at 5:46 PM

Gallup must be investigated

faraway on August 23, 2011 at 5:48 PM

I agree with Capt. Ed..If the approval ratings get much lower and the economy stays bad someone is going to make the walk up Penn. Avenue..:)

Dire Straits on August 23, 2011 at 5:49 PM

Aitch748 on August 23, 2011 at 5:14 PM

The same 1 in 5 that voted for LBJ in 1964 and bequeathed us part of the mess we are in now (think Great Society). The same 1 in 5 that voted for the commie in Conn. The same 1 in 5 that voted for Reed in Nevada. And finally the same 1 in 5 that tell the conservatives that they must vote for DICC’s when they get on the ballot or the cons are hurting the GOP. They are still the face of the GOP and they don’t intend to make any changes as long as they hold the reins.

chemman on August 23, 2011 at 5:49 PM

False premise. The “multiplier” of government spending is less than unity, so cutting spending (matched by tax cuts) is actually stimulating. Research show that the successful strategy for reducing national debt is tax cuts and deep spending cuts, entitlements have to be addressed soon, but they’re not responsible for the explosion in government spending right now.

Cutting Killing the regulations in the pipeline, cutting some of the existing regulations, restoring the rule of law, stop suppressing the oil/gas drilling, pulling the leash on the EPA, etc. There are a lot of things, all of which need to be done, to end this depression.

LarryD on August 23, 2011 at 5:51 PM

DrW on August 23, 2011 at 5:38 PM

You left out getting rid of all unnecessary regulations.

chemman on August 23, 2011 at 5:53 PM

Future cuts never occur, AP. You (should) know this.

ladyingray on August 23, 2011 at 5:57 PM

Proof that the ever expanding social welfare programs are poison to society?

Scrappy on August 23, 2011 at 6:02 PM

A new stimulus? Really?

A new stimulus will just be targeted campaign spending; how will that help anyone not named Obama?

BKeyser on August 23, 2011 at 6:05 PM

Brilliant new plan coming from the Dims:

Extend SS “tax cut” another year. Another “tax cut” for people who pay no taxes.

The hits just keep on coming.

angryed on August 23, 2011 at 6:05 PM

So Barry invited the media out to the golf course to watch him putt today — right after he took a phone call telling him about the earthquake — and he missed the short putt and then missed the gimme at the lip. He had to pick up his ball and slink away. This guy is just so deep into loser territory it’s actually startin’ to smell. Heh.

Rational Thought on August 23, 2011 at 6:12 PM

Fair tax would be a step in the right direction, but it won’t happen unless all the people go to DC with pitchforks.

carbon_footprint on August 23, 2011 at 5:00 PM

THAT may be the only way out. Don’t hold your breath on D.C. giving up that much power.

And unfortunately for all of us, there may be no way out.

Yes there is, President Downgrade could resign.

(After Bite-me of course)

Chip on August 23, 2011 at 5:04 PM

Quit worrying about that fool Biden. He’s far too stupid to actually scare business away. Let him finish obama’s term and we quite possibly would see some short term relief.

Lanceman on August 23, 2011 at 6:13 PM

No. An obvious compromise would be for Obama to freeze all regulatory action in the pipeline and start peeling back regulations that are impeding growth.

While Congress worked on cutting spending back to 2007 levels.

ButterflyDragon on August 23, 2011 at 5:02 PM

And getting rid of Unconstitutional ObamneyCare

Chip on August 23, 2011 at 5:05 PM

You guys beat me to it, but HELL YEAH the regulatory burden is immense and nothing like we’ve seen in decades.

I’m surprised a sharp guy like Posner completely missed it – he’s just opining on spending cuts and taxes/revenues.

ex Dem from Miami on August 23, 2011 at 6:15 PM

I noticed that when he was in his town hall meeting talking to the farmer about dust and runoff regulations, he was playing pocket pool.

He obviously gets bored listening to those regular folks in flyover country whining.

slickwillie2001 on August 23, 2011 at 6:20 PM

So Barry invited the media out to the golf course to watch him putt today — right after he took a phone call telling him about the earthquake — and he missed the short putt and then missed the gimme at the lip. He had to pick up his ball and slink away. This guy is just so deep into loser territory it’s actually startin’ to smell. Heh.

Rational Thought on August 23, 2011 at 6:12 PM

Obamaa+ is the type of guy who’d take a 5 foot gimme. Just like Clinton who is known as a big time cheater at golf. You can tell a lot about a guy’s character by watching him play golf.

angryed on August 23, 2011 at 6:20 PM

Posner is right. In fact, it doesn’t matter who is president. As much as we resent Obama, the reality is not even a tea party president could, or would, cut entitlements. Even if the GOP controlled both houses, would we see the radical measures needed. Nobody is going to cut entitlements, and that is the end of the republic right there.

keep the change on August 23, 2011 at 6:31 PM

The first thing to do is stop killing production where there is a high demand for jobs for the priduct. We have been squandering our money making windmills, ethanol, and solar cells that drive the costof energy sky high. The oil industry is the classic example. Every barrel of oil produced in the USA will displace a barrel produced by foreign labor. There are three areas that can be producing that are halted by regualtory foot dragging.

1. The offshore arctic project of Shell Oil that was sidelined by a flyspecking EPA. The EPA found Shell had failed to account for the greenhouse gasses from an icebreaker. EPA handed its edict down at the end of Shell’s decision window and they had to put off development until next spring after the ice goes out. They have nearly $4 billion tied up in it including $2.2B paid to the Feds for the lease. Tens of thousands jobs here.

2. Conoco has been stymied by the Corps of Engineers on another Alaska project, this one in the National Petroleum Reserve. Won’t let them build a bridge for a pipeline and to handle equipment. No sense in drilling if you can’t get it out.

3. Offshore Gulf of Mexico. There is severe foot dragging in allowing either exploratory or production drilling in deep water. Estimated 230,000 jobs here. Obama will lose Texas, Lousiana, Alabama and Mississippi over this. So the job loss will actually be 230,001.

Tell the EPA to forget about sand lizards, the new snail darter. The Endangered Species Act is being used to perpetuate their Luddite philosophy.

Actually the answer is simpler, far simpler.

VOTE REPUBLICAN!

Corky Boyd on August 23, 2011 at 6:31 PM

11 + 7 + 18 = 36% + 2% random idiots = 38%

All Democrats are random idiots.
His sinking poll numbers are the best news I’ve heard today, finally getting into an acceptable range for me.

HellCat on August 23, 2011 at 6:35 PM

Corky Boyd on August 23, 2011 at 6:31 PM

O never fails to burn jobs.

CW on August 23, 2011 at 6:41 PM

[A]nything that takes money out of the economy, such as reducing federal spending or increasing federal taxes, will exacerbate the current depression.

Clearly, taking money out of the economy will make matters worse. However, I think Mr. Posner is presenting a false choice which says that either the government keeps throwing money at the problem (which, to anyone who has been paying attention, has proven to be an extremely costly and inefficient “solution”), or we sink into a deep depression. The key is not to increase (or even maintain current levels of) government spending, but to stimulate private spending by businesses and consumers, and it is this kind of spending – and only this kind of spending – that will spur massive economic growth.

Happily, this kind of stimulus would be quite easy to initiate and would, I believe, begin to produce results almost immediately and without spending another dime by the government. Here are some suggestions:
1. Immediately lift all restrictions on oil and natural gas exploration and development, both on-shore and off-shore. Thousands of good paying jobs almost immediately, and a near immediate drop in fuel prices that would further spur the economy. No brainer.
2. Immediately require that all Federal regulations issued in the last 25 years be unenforced until they have been subjected to a cost/benefit analysis. Establish ahead of time what the threshold must be before proposed (or existing) regulations may be issued.
3. Immediately place a moratorium on new Federal regulations issued by the EPA and DOE. Get the government off the backs of farmers and businesses. Give them enough wiggle room and they will have this economy humming faster than you can say “Whatever happened to Obama?”
4. Immediately eliminate the bureaucratic and regulatory hurdles that do nothing but add cost and uncertainty to new nuclear generation. Actively encourage and promote nuclear energy. The multiplier effects of a dollar spent on construction projects (from new homes to new nuclear) is huge, and just the construction of nuclear plants alone would produce thousands of jobs and stimulate a tremendous level of spending in the economy.
4. Immediately put an end to subsidies to “green” energy. That money is going down a rat hole and producing nothing. Put that money to good use paying down the debt.

The bottom line is that it only the private sector is big enough to fix our economic problem. Government – no matter how big it becomes – can never come close to replicating what the private sector can do. Government can either gum up the works (which is what it has been doing for decades) and stand in the way of the economic engine running efficiently, or it can act as a facilitator to the private sector. It’s time for the government to be a facilitator, not a punisher of the private sector and free enterprise.

Harrell on August 23, 2011 at 6:44 PM

What happens when interest rates start to rise?….The Grecian catastrophe is already here, any interest uptick will be the catalyst to start the dominoes falling. The people just don’t know it yet.

Whoever the Republican is that replaces the Oblunder, they wont have a big enough axe or shovel to fix this. Cloward and Piven are here, and its done.

elowe on August 23, 2011 at 6:57 PM

But it’s worth pointing out that anything that takes money out of the economy, such as reducing federal spending or increasing federal taxes, will exacerbate the current depression. Consumers will have less money to spend, and this will discourage employers from hiring.

This is simply not true. Government is the single largest impediment to the economy recovering. Capital is on strike. Business owners are on strike. You don’t see it in the papers because journalists wouldn’t deign to talk to real working Americans (except union thugs, of course). I know the HotAir readers see this, because I read their comments.

This idea that gov’t can lead us out of the depression, and it is a depression – he’s right about that, is just lunacy.

If they just said, “We have no freakin’ idea what we’re doing, and all our policies just make things worse, so we’re just going to stop and get out of the way,” the economy would flourish. Unfortunately, they’re too narcissistic and to power hungry to see the truth. This is why we’re stuck.

Pablo Snooze on August 23, 2011 at 7:00 PM

OT: Marco Rubio is speaking tonight at the Reagan Library. Watch it live online here: bit.ly/nw1cev

andy85719 on August 23, 2011 at 7:18 PM

i share a deep pessimism with Posner, but for way different reasons. Posner has been at this game for a long time…since shortly AFTER the financial crisis, and so has “perfect” hindsight. He published a book entitled A Failure of Capitalism

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Failure_of_Capitalism

so, same old same old. If you read the wiki synopsis carefully, you will find that his criticism of “capitalism” is actually a criticism of “state run capitalism” and progressives in general. He is ardently anti Bush which makes his a hero to the left (and no doubt help sells his books).

But, let’s call a spade a spade…maybe W was a progressive Republican..ok? Maybe we are seeing not the failure of “capitalism” but 50 years of escalating social engineering that progressive love so much…they just have to tinker. So my pessimism is that we will not get the thinkers out. Just no way. And therefore we can be pessimistic indeed.

r keller on August 23, 2011 at 7:35 PM

Why is his 38% approval that high?

DL13 on August 23, 2011 at 7:40 PM

Reducing federal spending will “take money out of the economy and exacerbate the depression”? Yeah, right.

The Mega Independent on August 23, 2011 at 4:53 PM

Indeed. The austerity is because DC doesn’t want to cut what they already jacked up in the past two years. Agency budgets that have seen a doubling of funding and nothing to show for it. Getting rid of the host of fed agencies and give a severance of a year’s pay would be a super start. But that’s too simple for the feeble minded. We’ll just have to hold on another 18 months until the new admin and Congress is seated to tackle the problem. If Boehner and Mitch are still in the leadership then, take it as a sign to BOHICA and go to plan B. As in escape the madness.

AH_C on August 23, 2011 at 7:40 PM

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