Biden to China: I fully understand your one-child policy

posted at 5:28 pm on August 22, 2011 by Allahpundit

Via the Standard, isn’t this guy supposed to be pro-choice? He does understand that the one-child policy is an actual policy, not a matter of Chinese couples cheerily “choosing” to keep their families small for the good of the motherland, yes?

I ask because, per Timothy Carney, you never know when Biden’s saying something outrageous out of bad intent or simply because he’s a moron.

What we ended up doing is setting up a system whereby we did cut by $1.2 trillion upfront, the deficit over the next 10 years. And we set up a group of senators that have to come up with another $1.2 to $1.7 trillion in savings or automatically there will be cuts that go into effect in January to get those savings. So the savings will be accomplished. But as I was talking to some of your leaders, you share a similar concern here in China. You have no safety net. Your policy has been one which I fully understand — I’m not second-guessing — of one child per family. The result being that you’re in a position where one wage earner will be taking care of four retired people. Not sustainable.

So hopefully we can act in a way on a problem that’s much less severe than yours, and maybe we can learn together from how we can do that.

The manifest unsustainability of that 1:4 ratio is reason enough to second-guess it, but if math doesn’t float your boat, how about the fact that Chinese authorities forcibly sterilized 10,000 people in Guangdong Province just last year? No? How about forced abortions, then?

The officials gave Wei three injections in the lower abdomen. Contractions started the next afternoon, and continued for almost 16 hours. Her child was stillborn.

“I asked the doctor if it was a boy or girl,” Wei said. “The doctor said it was a boy. My friends who were beside me said the baby’s body was completely black. I felt desolate, so I didn’t look up to see the baby.”

Medical sources say fetuses aborted in this manner would have been dead for some time, so the tissue is necrotic and thus dark in color.

“The nurses dealt with the body like it was rubbish,” Wei said. “They wrapped it up in a black plastic bag and threw it in the trash.”

On the upside, at least it helped reduce carbon emissions. The grim punchline here is that, because of Chinese cultural preferences for boys over girls, the one-child policy has produced a male/female ratio so skewed that the only limit to how much mischief those lonely bachelors will end up causing is your imagination. If we’re lucky, most of that mischief will be directed internally. If not, then the U.S. military will be “second-guessing” this policy for decades. But such is the protocol of a “goodwill tour” that the VP would rather smile benignly at this barbarism than stay neutral. That’s what happens when your banker’s angry at you, I guess.

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Please Mr. Biden’s Bishop, excommunicate this fellow. His claim to be a Catholic is a scandal.

Mason on August 22, 2011 at 5:30 PM

That picture……ewwwwwww….he looks like he’s trying to catch flies. Lawd, what a freakin huge mouth!

sicoit on August 22, 2011 at 5:31 PM

you never know when Biden’s saying something outrageous out of bad intent or simply because he’s a moron.

Take the over/under on moron.

Bruno Strozek on August 22, 2011 at 5:31 PM

I ask because, per Timothy Carney, you never know when Biden’s saying something outrageous out of bad intent or simply because he’s a moron.

Rather than try and figure it out, I go for option C: both.

rbj on August 22, 2011 at 5:31 PM

Ah, the culture of life. Gotta love it, right Joe?

karl9000 on August 22, 2011 at 5:32 PM

It’s because Biden sees children as a burden rather than a blessing. Incite into the mind of Joey.

Meric1837 on August 22, 2011 at 5:34 PM

The grim punchline here is that, because of Chinese cultural preferences for boys over girls, the one-child policy has produced a male/female ratio so skewed that the only limit to how much mischief those lonely bachelors will end up causing is your imagination. If we’re lucky, most of that mischief will be directed internally.

That’s one way of putting it…

Jim Treacher on August 22, 2011 at 5:34 PM

This from a guy whose first wife and one-year-old daughter were killed in an automobile accident while Christmas shopping?

playblu on August 22, 2011 at 5:34 PM

I sure am relieved that we ended up with a smart VP.

forest on August 22, 2011 at 5:35 PM

Boy, that Veep Palin – she sure doesn’t know when to keep her mouth shut. I knew she was an idiot.

/

RedNewEnglander on August 22, 2011 at 5:40 PM

Who let crazy Uncle Joe out of the basement?!

ThePrez on August 22, 2011 at 5:42 PM

I truly think he suffers from a form of dementia.

SgtRed on August 22, 2011 at 5:44 PM

I sure am relieved that we ended up with a smart VP.

forest on August 22, 2011 at 5:35 PM

Out of a country of three hndred million people,…..well, you know it goes.

a capella on August 22, 2011 at 5:44 PM

I ask because, per Timothy Carney, you never know when Biden’s saying something outrageous out of bad intent or simply because he’s a moron.

In this case, I think it’s both.

Naturally Curly on August 22, 2011 at 5:45 PM

According to Chinese media reports, officials in Puning City, Guangdong Province aim to sterilize 9,559 people, some against their will, by 26 April.

The Chinese media reported that officials aim to sterilized people against their will? Unbelievable.

DarkCurrent on August 22, 2011 at 5:45 PM

Smartest move Obama ever made.

Dusty on August 22, 2011 at 5:46 PM

I hope he is too stupid to understand that the one-child policy means forced abortions and occasionally infanticide, else I fear for his soul.

Vashta.Nerada on August 22, 2011 at 5:46 PM

He’s a disgusting moron of low character, and his obvious imbecility doesn’t mitigate that in the slightest.

I’ve never seen the charm that so many others claim he possesses.

Kensington on August 22, 2011 at 5:46 PM

Joey “Loud Mouth” Biden, the gift gaffe that keeps on giving.

GarandFan on August 22, 2011 at 5:46 PM

Obama is on vacation with New England crackers and Joe is just plain crackers. How’s watching the store?

Wade on August 22, 2011 at 5:47 PM

Probably the stupidest thing Sarah Palin ever said was her compliments to Joe Biden.

On another note, it’s always vaguely chilling to hear liberals and technocrats express empathy for this or that implementation of inhuman repression. Unlike the so-called “right-wing” tyrannies, there is a direct connection between the beliefs and politics of Joe Biden and the implementation of Chinese policies.

The only thing that separates us from the Chinese is our constitution and nationwide knuckledragging skepticism of “progress.”

HitNRun on August 22, 2011 at 5:48 PM

Smartest move Obama ever made.

Dusty on August 22, 2011 at 5:46 PM

Well,…. yeah.

a capella on August 22, 2011 at 5:48 PM

I think this moron claims to be Catholic, too.

Jaibones on August 22, 2011 at 5:49 PM

…you never know when Biden’s saying something outrageous out of bad intent or simply because he’s a moron.

I’m favoring moron.

SlaveDog on August 22, 2011 at 5:49 PM

The grim punchline here is that, because of Chinese cultural preferences for boys over girls, the one-child policy has produced a male/female ratio so skewed that the only limit to how much mischief those lonely bachelors will end up causing is your imagination. If we’re lucky, most of that mischief will be directed internally. If not, then the U.S. military will be “second-guessing” this policy for decades.

Two hundred million bachelors. That’s decades of trouble in a can.

JohnGalt23 on August 22, 2011 at 5:50 PM

The officials gave Wei three injections in the lower abdomen. Contractions started the next afternoon, and continued for almost 16 hours. Her child was stillborn.
“I asked the doctor if it was a boy or girl,” Wei said. “The doctor said it was a boy. My friends who were beside me said the baby’s body was completely black. I felt desolate, so I didn’t look up to see the baby.”
Medical sources say fetuses aborted in this manner would have been dead for some time, so the tissue is necrotic and thus dark in color.
“The nurses dealt with the body like it was rubbish,” Wei said. “They wrapped it up in a black plastic bag and threw it in the trash.”

But . . . this could never happen HERE!! Right, Dr. Gosnell?

Naturally Curly on August 22, 2011 at 5:52 PM

The Chinese have to be saying to themselves, “Well, yeah, we’ve got corrupt leaders, a trashed environment, suicidal demographics, and the height of our creative ambition is fake Apple stores, but hey — at least we don’t have a Joe Biden.”

Man oh man. What a maroon.

Splashman on August 22, 2011 at 5:54 PM

The Chinese media reported that officials aim to sterilized people against their will? Unbelievable.

DarkCurrent on August 22, 2011 at 5:45 PM

I thought the media was controlled in China…

ladyingray on August 22, 2011 at 5:56 PM

Biden to Chi-Coms: We welcome you as our overlords and masters. Your wise and benevolent diktats are just what we need to overcome our deficient, backwards, degenerate, capitalist pig-dog ways.

MJBrutus on August 22, 2011 at 5:57 PM

Attaboy, Joe! Lick them boots!

Limerick on August 22, 2011 at 5:58 PM

Cracked head club, indeed.

One heartbeat away, folks! The smartest guy in your room picked this booger out special, Dems!

TexasDan on August 22, 2011 at 5:59 PM

Biden to China…”I’ll tell ya what, you keep us afloat and I’ll see to to the Taiwan Straits is erased from U.S. Navy maps.”

Limerick on August 22, 2011 at 6:01 PM

Did he use his fingers to make his eyes real squinty, and then make a buck-tooth face while making nasally gibbering sounds?

Because that would just about complete the picture.

greggriffith on August 22, 2011 at 6:03 PM

I thought the media was controlled in China…

ladyingray on August 22, 2011 at 5:56 PM

It is. Hence the attribution to (unlinked) Chinese media is unbelievable.

DarkCurrent on August 22, 2011 at 6:03 PM

What’s next, Joe?

“I fully understand your penchant for blowing up our soldiers. I was a pyro when I was young, too.”

“I fully understand you resenting the presence of American troops. If not for our interference, your beautiful country of Korea would never have been divided.”

“I fully understand your policy of stoning women for adultery. Give the sluts an inch, and they’ll take the whole ruler.”

Splashman on August 22, 2011 at 6:04 PM

That’s one way of putting it…

Jim Treacher on August 22, 2011 at 5:34 PM

Ha!

Weight of Glory on August 22, 2011 at 6:04 PM

Biden is an embarrassment.

terryannonline on August 22, 2011 at 6:04 PM

Did he use his fingers to make his eyes real squinty, and then make a buck-tooth face while making nasally gibbering sounds?

Because that would just about complete the picture.

greggriffith on August 22, 2011 at 6:03 PM

LOL! +++

sicoit on August 22, 2011 at 6:05 PM

Did he use his fingers to make his eyes real squinty, and then make a buck-tooth face while making nasally gibbering sounds?

Because that would just about complete the picture.

greggriffith on August 22, 2011 at 6:03 PM

Herro, herro, you unnastan dee words comin out of my mouff? Herro? I know I don speek chinee but, you unnastan my words?

sicoit on August 22, 2011 at 6:10 PM

Two hundred million bachelors. That’s decades of trouble in a can.

JohnGalt23 on August 22, 2011 at 5:50 PM

Two hundred million? I think you might be off by a bit over one hundred and sixty million there.

DarkCurrent on August 22, 2011 at 6:12 PM

It is. Hence the attribution to (unlinked) Chinese media is unbelievable.

DarkCurrent on August 22, 2011 at 6:03 PM

Thank you for emphasizing my point. This is stupid.

ladyingray on August 22, 2011 at 6:13 PM

Uh, OK, Joe. And we fully understand you’re a douche.

locomotivebreath1901 on August 22, 2011 at 6:14 PM

Once again, I call on all Hot Air and anyone else you know to write the White House and call on them to cancel the Japanese portion of Biden’s trip. After Earthquakes, Tsunami’s, and the Nuclear Reactor explosions, haven’t the Japanese suffered enough?

Snake307 on August 22, 2011 at 6:17 PM

Two hundred million bachelors. That’s decades of trouble in a can.

JohnGalt23 on August 22, 2011 at 5:50 PM

Please show your math…

ladyingray on August 22, 2011 at 6:17 PM

I hope Mark Steyn is right and that China grows poorer as a result of this policy and doesn’t become a huge threat to us. Pro-choice means the pregnant woman chooses – not the totalitarian state. We really need to get that debt down so we’re not in hock to Red China

Jill1066 on August 22, 2011 at 6:25 PM

Isn’t he supposedly Catholic?

CW on August 22, 2011 at 6:25 PM

JOE BLOW – does it again – takes the VP reputation to new lows.

FYI – the number of men 30 and below in China with no corresponding female is equal to the population of Canada.
Just the facts.

IlonaE on August 22, 2011 at 6:27 PM

I think it’s funny that this post is up at the same time as a link in the headlines about China “cracking down on gold diggers”

Yeah, cuz when you’re a cute woman with a herd of eligible men to choose from (thanks to government enforced abortion), you can choose the richest man. This is not rocket science. You can only sit back and marvel at the Chinese government, what fools!

CambellBrown on August 22, 2011 at 6:30 PM

1:4 ration? Human wave attacks, here we come.

Hard Right on August 22, 2011 at 6:31 PM

About that math, Joe. Whoever handed you a high-school diploma should be beaten mercilessly and then paraded around in a dunce cap.

hillbillyjim on August 22, 2011 at 6:31 PM

I ask because, per Timothy Carney, you never know when Biden’s saying something outrageous out of bad intent or simply because he’s a moron.

Maybe someone should ask the moron.?? yes?

ted c on August 22, 2011 at 6:32 PM

The manifest unsustainability of that 1:4 ratio is reason enough to second-guess it, but if math doesn’t float your boat, how about the fact that Chinese authorities forcibly sterilized 10,000 people in Guangdong Province just last year? No? How about forced abortions, then?

Eh, no problem.
/Democrats

ted c on August 22, 2011 at 6:33 PM

But such is the protocol of a “goodwill tour” that the VP would rather smile benignly at this barbarism than stay neutral. That’s what happens when your banker’s angry at you, I guess.

can you imagine what they say about that buffoon to his face, in Chinese, then laugh…..and he laughs with them??….

*facepalm.

ted c on August 22, 2011 at 6:35 PM

A liberal icon…

right2bright on August 22, 2011 at 6:36 PM

Isn’t he supposedly Catholic?

CW on August 22, 2011 at 6:25 PM

Yeah, what’s your point? :)

Splashman on August 22, 2011 at 6:36 PM

They told me if I voted for Palin we’d have a moron for a VP. They were right!!!

NC Hoov on August 22, 2011 at 6:37 PM

Don’t forget that girl babies or children with defects are often abandoned (put on the doorstep of the orphanage) so that the parents can have a shot at a healthy boy. So not only are there the abortions, but then there are the abandonments which 18 years later are likely to send the girls into prostitution unless they were lucky enough to get adopted out of the country. But China even limits the numbers of adoptions allowed. It would not ‘look good’ for them to be seen to not be able to handle their own problems. The human cost is immense, but when you have a billion people and an atheistic worldview, people are cheap.

AnotherOpinion on August 22, 2011 at 6:40 PM

Biden is the direct result of what happens when you turn your public educational programs over to labor unions. The hardest thing to do when Biden is speaking is to not laugh out loud. I am sure if we know Biden is dumber than a rock, how dumb do you think the Chinese think he is? Obama is a laughingstock on the world stage and Biden is only a heartbeat away. scarey stuff.

volsense on August 22, 2011 at 6:41 PM

At least Joe didn’t mention the recent anniversaries of Hiroshima & Nagasaki.

BHO Jonestown on August 22, 2011 at 6:41 PM

NC Hoov @6:37 PM.

The best one liner in years. Sometimes the truth can say it all.

volsense on August 22, 2011 at 6:44 PM

The grim punchline here is that, because of Chinese cultural preferences for boys over girls, the one-child policy has produced a male/female ratio so skewed that the only limit to how much mischief those lonely bachelors will end up causing is your imagination.

dude, the testosteronogenic pressure cooker that that’ll create is unworldly to think about. Those guys will be rabid animals after a while and will be unleashed on the west coast and told that there are “rots and rotsa honeys” on the east coast.

game over.

ted c on August 22, 2011 at 6:46 PM

Don’t forget that girl babies or children with defects are often abandoned (put on the doorstep of the orphanage) so that the parents can have a shot at a healthy boy.

AnotherOpinion on August 22, 2011 at 6:40 PM

Just as in India, our non-atheistic democratic ally.

DarkCurrent on August 22, 2011 at 6:46 PM

Those guys will be rabid animals after a while and will be unleashed on the west coast and told that there are “rots and rotsa honeys” on the east coast.

game over.

ted c on August 22, 2011 at 6:46 PM

Wouldn’t it seem more likely they’d head to Russia?

DarkCurrent on August 22, 2011 at 6:49 PM

The grim punchline here is that, because of Chinese cultural preferences for boys over girls, the one-child policy has produced a male/female ratio so skewed that the only limit to how much mischief those lonely bachelors will end up causing is your imagination. If we’re lucky, most of that mischief will be directed internally.

On the other hand, this might be a lucrative market for the Japanese when they perfect the sex-robot, sure to happen within the next ten years.

slickwillie2001 on August 22, 2011 at 6:56 PM

Two hundred million bachelors. That’s decades of trouble in a can.

JohnGalt23 on August 22, 2011 at 5:50 PM

Please show your math…

ladyingray on August 22, 2011 at 6:17 PM

Can(200,000,000 horny bachelors with no hope of lasting female companionship)= Decades of trouble dealing with this rampaging lot + A flood of culture changing Nancy boys.

Mason on August 22, 2011 at 7:03 PM

AnotherOpinion on August 22, 2011 at 6:40 PM

ted c on August 22, 2011 at 6:46 PM

Mason on August 22, 2011 at 7:03 PM

Do y’all live in China? Dark Current does.

I’ll listen to him, thank you very much…

ladyingray on August 22, 2011 at 7:14 PM

Mason on August 22, 2011 at 7:03 PM

Where do you get the 200,000,000′ number from?’

ladyingray on August 22, 2011 at 7:19 PM

Do y’all live in China? Dark Current does.

I’ll listen to him, thank you very much…

ladyingray on August 22, 2011 at 7:14 PM

True, I do live in China. I haven’t noticed 200,000,000 extra guys standing around. I think that number may be ridiculously exaggerated.

DarkCurrent on August 22, 2011 at 7:20 PM

How timely, considering I heard a sound bite on Catholic radio this afternoon, talking about New York and New England, and their extremely high abortion rates, and extremely low birth rates.

Ward Cleaver on August 22, 2011 at 7:24 PM

Just as in India, our non-atheistic democratic ally.

DarkCurrent on August 22, 2011 at 6:46 PM

So…that makes it OK? Otherwise, what’s your point?

I know you’re there, but that doesn’t mean you need to run interference for their flawed policies. I know there are many misconceptions about China, but there are also some truths that remain, and remain evil, no matter what misdirection you toss out.

hillbillyjim on August 22, 2011 at 7:24 PM

The best part is that Biden said it with a slight Indian accent!

Christien on August 22, 2011 at 7:24 PM

hillbillyjim on August 22, 2011 at 7:24 PM

Forced sterilization and forced abortion don’t seem to be true, based on the observations of persons who live in China.

ladyingray on August 22, 2011 at 7:28 PM

Don’t forget that girl babies or children with defects are often abandoned (put on the doorstep of the orphanage) so that the parents can have a shot at a healthy boy.

AnotherOpinion on August 22, 2011 at 6:40 PM

In some instances, those are the lucky ones. Some Chinese place so little value on girl babies that they have no qualms about killing them and throwing them out with the trash.

hillbillyjim on August 22, 2011 at 7:30 PM

So…that makes it OK? Otherwise, what’s your point?

I know you’re there, but that doesn’t mean you need to run interference for their flawed policies. I know there are many misconceptions about China, but there are also some truths that remain, and remain evil, no matter what misdirection you toss out.

hillbillyjim on August 22, 2011 at 7:24 PM

I don’t see it as a flawed policy. What’s the alternative?

Anecdotal cases not withstanding, forced abortions are very rare and illegal (at least now). I don’t know anyone who’s been forced to get an abortion and/or be sterilized, though I do know some that have willingly paid the fines and extra costs for education and healthcare for additional children.

It also isn’t strictly a ‘one-child’ policy. Perhaps AP can do some research on that point.

Would it be better if the population exploded and hundreds of millions of tots ended up dying of starvation and disease in abject poverty?

DarkCurrent on August 22, 2011 at 7:30 PM

Forced sterilization and forced abortion don’t seem to be true, based on the observations of persons who live in China.

ladyingray on August 22, 2011 at 7:28 PM

It’s been going on for decades; I thought that was common knowledge.

hillbillyjim on August 22, 2011 at 7:31 PM

It’s been going on for decades; I thought that was common knowledge.

hillbillyjim on August 22, 2011 at 7:31 PM

Not to those who live in China….

ladyingray on August 22, 2011 at 7:33 PM

Some Chinese place so little value on girl babies that they have no qualms about killing them and throwing them out with the trash.

hillbillyjim on August 22, 2011 at 7:30 PM

I’m sure this happens daily in the US as well, doesn’t it?

DarkCurrent on August 22, 2011 at 7:33 PM

Anecdotal cases not withstanding, forced abortions are very rare and illegal (at least now). I don’t know anyone who’s been forced to get an abortion and/or be sterilized, though I do know some that have willingly paid the fines and extra costs for education and healthcare for additional children.

I rather doubt that your experience is that of a Chinese villager. Do you get to travel the countryside freely?

Are you in Shanghai?

hillbillyjim on August 22, 2011 at 7:34 PM

hillbillyjim on August 22, 2011 at 7:24 PM

Yep. But, hey, let’s just rely on a single expat, who’s probably monitored by the ChiComs.

Christien on August 22, 2011 at 7:34 PM

I’m sure this happens daily in the US as well, doesn’t it?

DarkCurrent on August 22, 2011 at 7:33 PM

Not because of the gender of the child, no.

hillbillyjim on August 22, 2011 at 7:35 PM

hillbillyjim on August 22, 2011 at 7:34 PM

Want to know what ChiComs have done to Tibetans? Just don’t ask actual Tibetans in Jawalakhel or Boudhanath or Dharmasala. Just ask an expat in China.

/

Christien on August 22, 2011 at 7:39 PM

Not because of the gender of the child, no.

hillbillyjim on August 22, 2011 at 7:35 PM

You’re certainly aware that sex-selective abortion is illegal in China since 2004?

DarkCurrent on August 22, 2011 at 7:40 PM

Christien on August 22, 2011 at 7:39 PM

I really can’t blame DC too much; if I were in his shoes, I would be sure to say the “right things” on the internet, if I said anything at all.

hillbillyjim on August 22, 2011 at 7:41 PM

I rather doubt that your experience is that of a Chinese villager. Do you get to travel the countryside freely?

Are you in Shanghai?

hillbillyjim on August 22, 2011 at 7:34 PM

I live in Shanghai but I’ve been to and stayed in rural areas in several provinces.

I’ve never been prevented from traveling anywhere, though I’ve never tried to go to Tibet.

DarkCurrent on August 22, 2011 at 7:42 PM

Yep. But, hey, let’s just rely on a single expat, who’s probably monitored by the ChiComs.

Christien on August 22, 2011 at 7:34 PM

Or we could rely on your perception.

DarkCurrent on August 22, 2011 at 7:44 PM

I’ll listen to him, thank you very much…

ladyingray on August 22, 2011 at 7:14 PM

well then, now that we have that settled…..

ted c on August 22, 2011 at 7:44 PM

Not because of the gender of the child, no.

hillbillyjim on August 22, 2011 at 7:35 PM

You’re certainly aware that sex-selective abortion is illegal in China since 2004?

DarkCurrent on August 22, 2011 at 7:40 PM

If you’ll scroll up, you’ll see that my original comment wasn’t about abortion, but living female children.

You’re beginning to sound like the Ministry of Propaganda.

hillbillyjim on August 22, 2011 at 7:44 PM

I really can’t blame DC too much; if I were in his shoes, I would be sure to say the “right things” on the internet, if I said anything at all.

hillbillyjim on August 22, 2011 at 7:41 PM

Don’t rely on me. Come take a look for yourself. You can actually walk around on the street without handlers (except maybe in Tibet, not sure about there).

DarkCurrent on August 22, 2011 at 7:46 PM

The manifest unsustainability of that 1:4 ratio is reason enough to second-guess it

I hope he is too stupid to understand that the one-child policy means forced abortions and occasionally infanticide, else I fear for his soul.

Vashta.Nerada on August 22, 2011 at 5:46 PM

Why should any American be concerned about a Chinese policy that will lead to their economic undoing? It’s a vast country where it’s not uncommon in some rural areas for parents to kill a baby girl immediately after birth. The Chinese government has no control over it, and the US isn’t going to change that behavior by complaining about it.

bayam on August 22, 2011 at 7:50 PM

DarkCurrent on August 22, 2011 at 7:44 PM

Fail. I go with the “perceptions” of the actual people in that neighborhood, not some expat’s, not mine.

Christien on August 22, 2011 at 7:51 PM

You’re beginning to sound like the Ministry of Propaganda.

hillbillyjim on August 22, 2011 at 7:44 PM

I’m not sure I get the distinction between abortion and living children, but I’ve never seen a child tossed into a trash can in China (nor in the US).

It seems you hold to some simple caricature of Chinese as inhuman baby-killing monsters.

DarkCurrent on August 22, 2011 at 7:52 PM

“And no need to apologize for the way your goons–I mean, basketball team–beat up our college kids, Mr Dictator, sir. These things happen!”

itsnotaboutme on August 22, 2011 at 7:56 PM

Fail. I go with the “perceptions” of the actual people in that neighborhood, not some expat’s, not mine.

Christien on August 22, 2011 at 7:51 PM

Who are these ‘actual people’?

Look Christien, my wife of 20 years survived the Cultural Revolution. MIL lives with us. She lived through the civil war and the ‘Great Leap Forward’. I have some clue as to real bad things that have happened in China in modern history. The Cultural Revolution has been over for a while now though. Come take a look for yourself.

DarkCurrent on August 22, 2011 at 7:57 PM

I’m not sure I get the distinction between abortion and living children,

Abortion, obviously, is the putting to death of living children.

but I’ve never seen a child tossed into a trash can in China (nor in the US).

The article AP quoted above gives an account of this happening there.

It seems you hold to some simple caricature of Chinese as inhuman baby-killing monsters.
DarkCurrent on August 22, 2011 at 7:52 PM

Only their overlords.

itsnotaboutme on August 22, 2011 at 8:01 PM

In China if you kill your kids you get gifts. If you toss them in the garbage you get fined. No wonder they are not found.

CW on August 22, 2011 at 8:06 PM

DarkCurrent on August 22, 2011 at 7:57 PM

Nice flickr pics. I’ve lived in the neighborhood for years. Don’t need an invite from an expat of all people, thanks.

Christien on August 22, 2011 at 8:06 PM

The article AP quoted above gives an account of this happening there.

itsnotaboutme on August 22, 2011 at 8:01 PM

Do you mean the unverifiable NPR account? Is NPR a reliable source?

I may happen rarely, but it’s illegal even in China.

DarkCurrent on August 22, 2011 at 8:12 PM

Nice flickr pics. I’ve lived in the neighborhood for years. Don’t need an invite from an expat of all people, thanks.

Christien on August 22, 2011 at 8:06 PM

What neighborhood?

DarkCurrent on August 22, 2011 at 8:12 PM

According to China’s latest census, released in April, the male-female ratio at birth is about 119 males to 100 females. In most industrialized countries, the ratio is about 107 males to 100 females.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/health/2011/08/09/china-vows-to-crack-down-on-sex-selective-abortions/#ixzz1Vo28LbmP

Why should any American be concerned about a Chinese policy that will lead to their economic undoing? It’s a vast country where it’s not uncommon in some rural areas for parents to kill a baby girl immediately after birth. The Chinese government has no control over it, and the US isn’t going to change that behavior by complaining about it.

bayam on August 22, 2011 at 7:50 PM

Really…so you never criticize another country? Such evil should be addressed. Why are we involved in Libya again.?

You’re certainly aware that sex-selective abortion is illegal in China since 2004?

DarkCurrent on August 22, 2011 at 7:40 PM

Hey I have some land to sell you.

CW on August 22, 2011 at 8:13 PM

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