Time Magazine: Duncan should worry about his mess in Chicago before messing with Texas; Update: Funding comparison added
posted at 10:00 am on August 20, 2011 by Ed Morrissey
Education Secretary Arne Duncan wasted no time after Rick Perry’s entry into the presidential race in blasting the Texas governor over his education record, as Tina Korbe noted earlier this week. That confused Time Magazine’s Andrew Rotherham, the publication’s education columnist. Not only does Texas perform at the national average, it turns out that the students in Chicago — in the school system that Duncan ran before joining the Obama administration — perform worse than Texas. And when Rotherham questioned Duncan about the issue, it became clear that Duncan didn’t have a clue as to how his own students performed:
But what about the fact, I responded, that on the National Assessment of Educational Progress (NAEP), Texas’ fourth- and eighth-graders substantially outperformed their peers in Chicago in reading and math?
“I would have to look at all the details, but there are real challenges in Texas. And like every other state, they should be addressed openly and honestly as in Illinois, as in Chicago, and everywhere else.”
Confused? Me too, and I do this for a living. Overall, Texas students scored right around the national averages in reading and math on the NAEP. And according to an Aug. 17 report by the group that administers the ACT college-admissions exam, Texas high school graduates only narrowly trail national averages for college readiness. True, the national averages aren’t great, but Texas is right there with the pack. So why is Duncan dissing the Lone Star State? Its minority students outperform minority students in Chicago, albeit by smaller margins. And with a high school graduation rate of about 73%, Texas may be slightly below the national average, but it’s doing a lot better than Chicago, which only graduates about 56% of its students.
So it’s clear that not only does Duncan not know that Texas performs at the national average (whether or not one finds the national average acceptable), Duncan is apparently unaware that the school system he led is significantly worse than the national average. Let’s not forget that while Perry, as governor, has responsibility for the performance of the state government that has some responsibilities for school systems, Duncan was running the actual school system in Chicago. Despite this, and despite picking this fight himself, Duncan is entirely ignorant of the results of his own work and its comparison to Texas.
And Obama hand-picked the man who produced a 56% graduation rate result, and who started this argument without knowing the facts, as the man to run the federal government’s education bureaucracy.
And these people want to lecture Perry about education?
Duncan gets a good, solid F for this test.
Update: In 2008, just before Duncan got tapped for Obama’s Cabinet, Chicago Public Schools spent $10,500 per pupil. In 2009, Texas spent $10,314 per student, according to the US Census Bureau. Doesn’t sound like funding is the issue.









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…and Jugears has the nerve to again go on the attack and blame “some” in Congress who “put party over country” for not bending over for the liberal program???
Bullshit. EVERYTHING this administration does is ALL ABOUT POLITICS.
Just $&*(^%*!!!!
hillbillyjim on August 20, 2011 at 6:37 PM
Glass house, meet rocks.
Yakko77 on August 20, 2011 at 6:48 PM
We live in a Texas border community (with Mexico – not Oklahoma understand). Due to a long standing Federal court ruling school districts can not ask about the immigration legality of their students (only can verify they live in the district).
Our district estimates at least one of every four students is an illegal allien and most speak Spanish only. Imagine what that does for your test scores and your budget.
Remove those students from state test scores and I wonder how high up the chart Texas would move?
adplusone on August 20, 2011 at 6:49 PM
it turns out that the students in Chicago — in the school system that Duncan ran before joining the Obama administration — performs worse than Texas.
Ed, you’re an extremely prolific writer, so this is quite forgivable…but, since this is an education thread, please drop the ‘s’ in ‘performs’.
:)
itsnotaboutme on August 20, 2011 at 10:43 AM
herm2416 on August 20, 2011 at 7:02 PM
Abolish D. of Ed.
AshleyTKing on August 20, 2011 at 7:20 PM
nice work, Arne. Open mouth—insert foot.
ted c on August 20, 2011 at 7:20 PM
Been to Chicago lately? It’e pretty similar. most whites and upper class blacks are opting for private or charter schools.
California used to have the best public schools in the country (about 40 years ago). Illegals changed that too
bw222 on August 20, 2011 at 7:23 PM
GOV Perry:
I am SO SORRY that I criticized your TX education system. I totally overlooked my sucky record in Chicago, where we spend even more money that you do in TX and we get even suckier results. I don’t know what it is, it must be that we are flunky Democrats with flunky Democrat teachers teaching kids of dead Democrat voters that keep helping to get us reelected every year. Either way, my bad on the criticism, I should stick to what I’m good at—I’ll let you know when I find out what that happens to be.
/Secretary Arne Duncan
*filed under* letters that you’ll never see written by a Dem
ted c on August 20, 2011 at 7:24 PM
This also is beginning to affect the suburbs of Chicago.
herm2416 on August 20, 2011 at 7:27 PM
But, but,…since the messiah in chief personally picked him, knowing his failure to provide adequate education, doesn’t that lower Obama’s grade level down to at least a C+ from his self-assessment of B+.
He’s been downgraded -expect a call from the DOJ on unathorized downgrade..
Don L on August 20, 2011 at 7:33 PM
Once again Obama’s people Prove they have NO idea what they are talking about…….gee, who’da thunk it…..
/sarc
Vntnrse on August 20, 2011 at 8:29 PM
Duncan knows. He is just lying to protect Obama.
proconstitution on August 20, 2011 at 8:32 PM
When Daley closed the projects, many of its inhabitants moved to the southern suburbs armed with Section 8 rent subsidies. South Holland used to be one of my favorite suburbs. How it has changed!
bw222 on August 20, 2011 at 8:46 PM
>This also is beginning to affect the suburbs of Chicago.
herm2416 on August 20, 2011 at 7:27 PM
When Daley closed the projects, many of its inhabitants moved to the southern suburbs armed with Section 8 rent subsidies. South Holland used to be one of my favorite suburbs. How it has changed!
bw222 on August 20, 2011 at 8:46 PM
herm2416 on August 20, 2011 at 9:47 PM
When Daley closed the projects, many of its inhabitants moved to the southern suburbs armed with Section 8 rent subsidies. South Holland used to be one of my favorite suburbs. How it has changed!
bw222 on August 20, 2011 at 8:46 PM
I grew up in University Park, graduated from Crete-Monee, lived in So. Chicago Heights and Steger, and most recently lived in Chicago Heights. They have ALL gone to hell.
Even Olympia Fields and Homewood are going south.
annoyinglittletwerp on August 20, 2011 at 11:12 PM
Why Arne can’t add.
Socratease on August 20, 2011 at 11:15 PM
Duncan played BBall with BO. That’s why BO picked him to run the the DofE, so he could play BBall with him. That’s a connection with Alexi Giannoulias too, the mob banker who laundered Rezko’s government grants and contracts into campaign contributions for, among others, Obama, who also banked at the now defunct Broadway Bank.
MarkT on August 20, 2011 at 11:21 PM
When Daley closed the projects, many of its inhabitants moved to the southern suburbs armed with Section 8 rent subsidies. South Holland used to be one of my favorite suburbs. How it has changed!
bw222 on August 20, 2011 at 8:46 PM
I grew up in University Park, graduated from Crete-Monee, lived in So. Chicago Heights and Steger, and most recently lived in Chicago Heights. They have ALL gone to hell.
Even Olympia Fields and Homewood are going south.
annoyinglittletwerp on August 20, 2011 at 11:12 PM
The Southwest ‘burbs have a different problem…and it comes clothed in a hijab.
Orland Square Mall might as well be in Alexandria.
annoyinglittletwerp on August 21, 2011 at 12:12 AM
I have to give props to Rotherham and TIME for the article. They could have just ignored it. This shows that more and more people are getting tired of Obama and all of his BS.
Ward Cleaver on August 21, 2011 at 12:42 AM
Don’t forget, the Department of Eductation is now issuing waivers to schools who do not meet the NCLB standards.
davod on August 21, 2011 at 1:18 AM
Another sharp tool from the Chicago drawer…
Khun Joe on August 21, 2011 at 2:09 AM
Sorry. I’m more inclined to believe that TIME realizes that should it continue its present ideological trajectory, it will be out of business and dead in less than ten years.
BigAlSouth on August 21, 2011 at 6:53 AM
Twerp,
I know right where you are talking about, having grown up in the H-F area. Honestly, I have always liked the stability of Homewood, its schools, the community of a family oriented town. Chicago magazine voted Homewood as the number one suburb to live in five or six years ago, perhaps longer. Top schools, top park district, public access to the city, 43 parks, and a nice downtown area, etc. Feet first is when I leave, which is saying a lot; unless I get to move to my beloved Fish Creek. Then I would be gone in a heartbeat! No more Crook County taxes!
herm2416 on August 21, 2011 at 9:07 AM
herm2416 on August 21, 2011 at 9:07 AM
My husband grew up in Homewood. He graduated from HF in ’78.
What I wouldn’t give for some Aurelios today. LoL
annoyinglittletwerp on August 21, 2011 at 9:20 AM
Twerp,
I graduated in 77. I went to IJP, then to Lincoln-Way, after my parents moved to Frankfort. Heehee, Aurelios, in the old oven, crispy–for dinner tonight! You can order one, they’ll overnight it in dry ice!
herm2416 on August 21, 2011 at 12:28 PM
What’s more important: Your political affiliation, or your ability to perform your job,
didymus on August 21, 2011 at 7:42 PM
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