Exxon fighting regulatory “pirates” in Gulf of Mexico

posted at 2:00 pm on August 20, 2011 by Ed Morrissey

Jazz Shaw and I have repeatedly made the argument here at Hot Air that we could create hundreds of thousands of jobs, deliver cheaper energy, and reduce the outflow of hundreds of billions of dollars overseas with an energy policy that encourages domestic exploration and extraction in oil, natural gas, and coal.  At the very least, we could stop killing existing jobs by getting out of the way of the exploration and extraction that’s going on now, on land and offshore.  Unfortunately, Exxon has discovered firsthand what it’s like to deal with what Investors Business Daily calls “regulatory pirates” in the Gulf of Mexico:

ExxonMobil, and its Norwegian partner Statoil made the biggest discovery of all — a field worth a billion barrels of oil — 7,000 feet below sea level in its “Julia” field in 2007.

Exxon tried to keep its discovery secret to keep marauders away. Sadly, the pirates in this instance are U.S. regulators — and their aim is to stop them.

That’s right: Instead of marvel at the continuing treasures of the New World, or hail the human ingenuity that made retrieval of so much oil possible, or simply quantify how this discovery will boost U.S. energy security, Interior Department bureaucrats moved instead to snatch Exxon’s permits and shut the whole thing down.

Employing an extreme technicality, these regulators claimed that Exxon’s request in 2008 for a short suspension of activity to upgrade and make safer its drilling operation amounted to an abandonment of three of its five permits, simply because Exxon hadn’t signed a contract with another partner, Chevron, by the time the suspension was completed. …

Exxon is now fighting the permit action in a federal court in Lake Charles, La., calling it “arbitrary,” “capricious” and “an abuse of law.” It’s also a textbook case of the anti-business climate fostered by the Obama administration which should be bending over backward to help Exxon create jobs and profits.

So let’s look at what the Obama administration is trying to accomplish, and what it’s costing you as a result.

Well, it’s going to cost us jobs in the Gulf, and not just there, either.  As IBD points out, drilling requires a lot more support than just people working on the rig.  The rigs have to be built, and then the heavy machinery has to be manufactured — “in places like Youngstown, Ohio,” at a steel plant that makes the pipes for the rig.

So killing the project means killing those jobs, which means less tax revenue for Uncle Sam,  And speaking of revenue, let’s not forget that Exxon would have to pay taxes and royalties on production, with revenue reaching into the billions.  Wouldn’t that help us out with our fiscal troubles in Washington, at least in some small measure?  You bet it would.

Government regulation should balance between risks and rewards, allowing industry to succeed especially in vital economic markets as energy production, and treat all players equally.  The Obama administration’s use of regulatory adventurism goes way beyond the legitimate regulatory function of government to punish industry and discourage growth and success for its own political agenda.  There may be a more apt description of this administration than “regulatory pirates,” but if so, I’d have a tough time naming it.

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Never underestimate the power of O to kill jobs. Oh and to blame it on the TP.

CW on August 20, 2011 at 2:04 PM

I’d have a tough time naming it.

I wouldn’t, but the ban hammer…

karl9000 on August 20, 2011 at 2:05 PM

Actually, Gov. Sarah Palin has been saying this long before
the two of you.

Amjean on August 20, 2011 at 2:05 PM

Who is really surprised by this?

Badger40 on August 20, 2011 at 2:05 PM

“…a string of bad luck.”

aquaviva on August 20, 2011 at 2:06 PM

We’re so lucky to have the greatest administration ever.

John the Libertarian on August 20, 2011 at 2:08 PM

Officious Luddites.

Socratease on August 20, 2011 at 2:09 PM

OMG, now it is not detest I have for bho and team, it is h@te! Is that ban worthy? Please for love of God, let us get rid of this America hating bunch!
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letget on August 20, 2011 at 2:09 PM

Never underestimate the power of O to kill jobs. Oh and to blame it on the TP.

CW on August 20, 2011 at 2:04 PM

And innovation, that kills jobs too. :-P

ThePrez on August 20, 2011 at 2:13 PM

What country in So America will zero give permits to drill in that very area within the year or less?

dragondrop on August 20, 2011 at 2:13 PM

Has anyone ever put an environmental cost on the BP oil spill? I mean, cost in terms of environmental effects, not clean up costs. It seems to me that the whole episode went away quietly. Admittedly, I don’t live on the gulf so that’s why I’m asking.

BKeyser on August 20, 2011 at 2:14 PM

BKeyser on August 20, 2011 at 2:14 PM

I have no idea where you would be able to come up with a honest answer to that question with how everyone involved with lies so much. I would imagine if someone has come up with a number, it is no where near the truth.
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letget on August 20, 2011 at 2:19 PM

Watching two oil rigs being tugged out of the Gulf and through the Panama Canal when I traversed it last February was heartbreaking. I’m assuming they were headed for the friendlier waters of Brazil.

Knucklehead on August 20, 2011 at 2:21 PM

Aren’t we better off shipping those jobs to Brazil, loaning them money for start up, then buying their oil?

a capella on August 20, 2011 at 2:24 PM

There may be a more apt description of this administration than “regulatory pirates,” but if so, I’d have a tough time naming it.

The word is “traitors”.

single stack on August 20, 2011 at 2:28 PM

I lost a sweet consulting job because of the “permitorium” and, as a result, lost 50% of my annual income, a terrible hit to my family and me.

I was (mainly) working on the BP platform “Holstein” for two weeks at a time. I had to make local hotel reservations a month in advance to make sure I got a room the day before I went out. I checked today and the hotel can take reservations for tonight, indicating to me that the local economy in Houma, LA is suffering from the ban as well. I notice that I don’t see many oil field services jobs in south Texas or south Louisiana and two years ago they couldn’t hire people fast enough.

The Permitorium has devastated the economy of both states, including me, personally.

Even if they lifted it the company I was working for has closed.

Even if the ban today it will take years if not a decade or more to return to the 2009 levels of employment.

E9RET on August 20, 2011 at 2:28 PM

Watching two oil rigs being tugged out of the Gulf and through the Panama Canal when I traversed it last February was heartbreaking. I’m assuming they were headed for the friendlier waters of Brazil.

If they were coming from the Gulf of Mexico and going through the Panama Canal they weren’t going to Brazil.

single stack on August 20, 2011 at 2:32 PM

Barry Inc. is working hard to bring this country down. NO administration can be this consistently bad by ‘accident’.

GarandFan on August 20, 2011 at 2:33 PM

This clearly illustrates the number one reason we should elect Sarah Palin our next President.

JimK on August 20, 2011 at 2:34 PM

If they were coming from the Gulf of Mexico and going through the Panama Canal they weren’t going to Brazil.

single stack on August 20, 2011 at 2:32 PM

Peru? Who knows, the fact that their signs/logo’s removed meant they were leaving the U.S., right?

Knucklehead on August 20, 2011 at 2:37 PM

Actually, Gov. Sarah Palin has been saying this long before
the two of you.

Amjean on August 20, 2011 at 2:05 PM

And I’m sure there were people saying it before Palin.

BallisticBob on August 20, 2011 at 2:38 PM

The pirate you’re looking for isn’t in the Gulf of Mexico.

He’s on a small island, in Nantucket Sound, about three miles due south of Cape Cod.

Easy to find – just look for the golf course.

turfmann on August 20, 2011 at 2:39 PM

letget on August 20, 2011 at 2:19 PM

I’m sure you’re right.

It just seems to me that if the environmental impact was so severe, we’d still be hearing about it. The Obama administration and the EPA in particular, are purposefully destroying the fossil-fuel energy sector without having a viable alternative in place. And yet they’re not even harking back to the “devastation of the BP oil spill” -at least publicly- as a reason for it; something you’d think they could really exploit.

That leads me to believe that were they to use that reason (“We’re not allowing drilling because we still haven’t recovered from the devastation wrought be the BP spill”) it could be easily debunked and they’d look like outright liars. (Yes, I know…)

Someone surely can put an estimated price on the money being lost due to the EPA and Interior’s stonewalling and the administration is not countering with a price on the spill. That’s telling, to me.

BKeyser on August 20, 2011 at 2:39 PM

Oh come on now. We all know how hard(ly) O works. The fam deserves this vacay. You know, ice cream, golfing, takin the mrs. out for lobster, golfing, buying the little ones their books for school (A Brave New World), golfing, biking, golfing, swimming, golfing, etc. They need time to regroup and regather their thoughts cause ya know, pResidentin (or not) is hard on a fella and his fam and dog. Shoot, the little mrs. and the little ones had to leave and on a separate plane 2-4 hours before the O just to get some extra vacay in. Worrying about all of these fat kids behinds is sooooooo strenuous on the little mrs. Oh, and did I mention golfing? ///////

sicoit on August 20, 2011 at 2:44 PM

This clearly illustrates the number one reason we should elect Sarah Palin our next President.

JimK on August 20, 2011 at 2:34 PM

If the GOP doesn’t win the Senate or loses the House what, exactly can she do if elected?

BallisticBob on August 20, 2011 at 2:45 PM

If you want to fundamentally transform kill a country, go after its banks, its health care system and its energy industry. Alinsky 101.

TXUS on August 20, 2011 at 2:48 PM

And I’m sure there were people saying it before Palin.

BallisticBob on August 20, 2011 at 2:38 PM

Yeah, like Jimmy Carter. What’s your point?

Difference is that Palin would actually do it.

If the full force of the American economy were put to bear upon extracting fossil fuels of all manner from our own soil, in my opinion, we would erase our national debt upon the carcasses of failed Middle Eastern states. If we ramped up, they would collapse.

So many of our national ills are directly attributable to our dependence upon foreign sources of energy. We have the largest reserves of any nation on Earth, yet we have politicians that steadfastly refuse to remove regulatory hurdles that prevent the extraction of those reserves.

And you will also note that the people that keep us from drilling are the same people that oppose military intervention that is necessary to keep the oil flowing. Can’t have it both ways – at least not for long.

turfmann on August 20, 2011 at 2:50 PM

Almost treasonous.

petefrt on August 20, 2011 at 2:52 PM

Do not take your eyes off of the prize!

Look for Obama to try to find a way to get money into his friends pockets before anything is ‘settled’.

Freddy on August 20, 2011 at 2:55 PM

The main conclusion to be drawn from the story is this-

That Rick Perry really needs to tone it down.

sartana on August 20, 2011 at 2:57 PM

“…a string of bad luck.”

aquaviva on August 20, 2011 at 2:06 PM

It’s Bush’s fault. And the Japanese tsunami. And the evil Tea Party terrorists.

Has nothing to do with Obama. He’s so dreamy. And did you know he went to Harvard?

AZCoyote on August 20, 2011 at 2:59 PM

sartana on August 20, 2011 at 2:57 PM

Don’t think you need it here, but I have an extra one you can use if you want: “/s

petefrt on August 20, 2011 at 3:00 PM

If the GOP doesn’t win the Senate or loses the House what, exactly can she do if elected?

BallisticBob on August 20, 2011 at 2:45 PM

As chief executive, she can undo various Executive Orders from Obama, put in place new EOs, put in new friendlier and competent heads of agencies, and drill down to start firing burecrats that are hostile to business until whole agencies understand that a new tone is required. The short answer is the opposite of what Obama is doing without congressional support, which is a lot.

AnotherOpinion on August 20, 2011 at 3:03 PM

AnotherOpinion on August 20, 2011 at 3:03 PM

And the Left is just going to rollover and let that happen?

Really?

BallisticBob on August 20, 2011 at 3:05 PM

I sense a pattern.

Akzed on August 20, 2011 at 3:07 PM

Almost Treasonous.

petefrt on August 20, 2011 at 2:52 PM

Yeah, I went there.

turfmann on August 20, 2011 at 3:11 PM

Youngstown is one of the most Dem cities in the country. And in 2012 they will happily vote for the guy who is destroying their livelihood.

angryed on August 20, 2011 at 3:17 PM

I can sum it up in three words:

“Drill baby, Drill”

(I didn’t make that up) :)

golfmann on August 20, 2011 at 3:20 PM

i’ve been reading the coal pieces on drudge this am. A big problem is the deep moronicity of the country, and the press specifically

here’s JS online talking about the epa and coal plants:

Nationwide, the EPA estimated that utilities are projected to spend $800 million on the rule in 2014, in addition to $1.6 billion a year that’s been spent to satisfy an earlier version of the regulations.

But the EPA estimates the nation will see $120 billion to $280 billion in annual health and welfare benefits beginning in 2014.

so the epa will save us 1.2 to 2.8 trillion over 10 years????? Well, hell, let’s have more of that!!!! That sounds like it will save Medicare and barrycare tons of money.

This is something like the business that food stamps are “stimulative”…well, then let’s go all the way morons, 300B people on food stamps will get us out of the recession…yea!!!!

The lying and moronicity of the pols/press is insufferable. But the leftists, and their dumber than dirt followers, grabbed the microphones years ago, and they ain’t letting go soon.

http://www.jsonline.com/business/128109718.html

r keller on August 20, 2011 at 3:34 PM

The one campaign promise Obama has kept.

The good news: It’s going to cost him re-election.

The bad news: It took screwing over the rest of us to accomplish it. D.GOOCH

DGOOCH on August 20, 2011 at 3:37 PM

Exxon is now fighting the permit action in a federal court in Lake Charles, La., calling it “arbitrary,” “capricious” and “an abuse of law.”

.
… “arbitrary,” “capricious” and “an abuse of law” are sufficient grounds to have bureaucrats fired.
.
If this drags into 2013, then I expect to see some fairly senior government bureaucrats lose thier jobs and pensions … maybe even a few collaborators at the EPA
.

Arbalest on August 20, 2011 at 3:39 PM

If I were Exxon, I’d seriously consider hiring a private security fleet and telling Obama to pi$$ off. At this rate he’s gonna doom them anyway.

Uncle Sams Nephew on August 20, 2011 at 3:49 PM

I guess Obama is against revenue increases, unless it’s stealing from the productive members of society.

disa on August 20, 2011 at 3:55 PM

The Exxon discovery is the biggest in a decade. If put into operation, its billion barrels will be enough to make a dent in America’s oil dependency on foreign tyrants. If that isn’t a sufficient national security reason, what is?

Money question quote.

Kini on August 20, 2011 at 3:59 PM

Money question quote.

Kini on August 20, 2011 at 3:59 PM

True dat.

BallisticBob on August 20, 2011 at 4:07 PM

Has nothing to do with Obama. He’s so dreamy. And did you know he went to Harvard?

AZCoyote

. . . and he served in Vietnam, getting wounded three times – can’t forget that!

;)

honsy on August 20, 2011 at 4:14 PM

Let’s all just hold on to our hats a bit longer, 17 months to be exact. Every bit of this BS will disappear into thin air.

starman on August 20, 2011 at 4:16 PM

If the GOP doesn’t win the Senate or loses the House what, exactly can she do if elected?

BallisticBob on August 20, 2011 at 2:45 PM

She would control the agencies responsible for enforcing the regulations.

So, much the same way Øbama had his justice department stop defending certain laws, President Palin could have her departments stop enforcing this or that regulation.

Actually, I don’t think she would be that slimy. She would probably take her case to the people and force the Dems to roll over. If she wins big like Reagan did over Carter, she might not have to work all that hard, either.

Kafir on August 20, 2011 at 4:37 PM

We are in the hands of nut cases that believe Americans need to live in regulated compounds with means of transportation, industry, real jobs etc. They wish to regulate births, deaths, energy consumption and food for everyone but themselves. They are deadly serious and they are insane.

pat on August 20, 2011 at 4:40 PM

What makes you think the Obama eco-NAZIs want more energy on our market.

Best to just expunge the eco-NAZIs from the blaoted federal government fire the entire EPA, bring back only what you need..

The USA has the largest fossil fuel reserves on the planet. Tell me why we buy muzzie oil??

tarpon on August 20, 2011 at 4:43 PM

Ah, the lawyers are going to have to fight this one out in the courts. The lawyers win and the oil producers and our entire economy suffers. May I add that I am mad as hell that they are putting 10% ethanol in my gasoline and my grocery prices just keep going up.

Obama is no friend of business and the creation of real jobs.

SC.Charlie on August 20, 2011 at 4:52 PM

So Ed Morrissey is saying that if oil companies are allowed to drill, this opens a revenue stream that will help the government in its efforts to reduce the budget deficit and eventually the national debt. And all this without raising taxes……..Terrorist!

Mallard T. Drake on August 20, 2011 at 4:58 PM

Ah, the lawyers are going to have to fight this one out in the courts. The lawyers win and the oil producers and our entire economy suffers.

SC.Charlie

This week, I heard Perry specifically mention tort reform as one of several ways to turn this economy around. LONG OVERDUE!!!

honsy on August 20, 2011 at 4:59 PM

If bho is not re-elected, the new president will have so many things to try and undo it will take decades to get it done. In the short time bho has been in the wh, life here in America is going down the road of some lower than third world country! And, I might add, just what he planned when he was sworn in. Gotta get this slug out in 2012 with someone who will try to help the US. My heart aches so much for my country.
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letget on August 20, 2011 at 5:01 PM

The Exxon discovery is the biggest in a decade. If put into operation, its billion barrels will be enough to make a dent in America’s oil dependency on foreign tyrants. If that isn’t a sufficient national security reason, what is?

Money question quote.

Kini on August 20, 2011 at 3:59 PM

Is that a quote from Brian Williams,Charlie Gibson or one of the other Huntley and Brinkley’s of our time? Where in the phuk are the Woodward and Bernstein types? The media’s complicity in all of this is criminal journalistic negligence

darwin-t on August 20, 2011 at 5:28 PM

My employer sells products to the oil industry; we’re doing pretty well this year after a horrible 2009 and so-so 2010. Obama wants to kill not just the oil industry but us and everyone else involved.
We’re also being targeted by EPA, OSHA, and DOT; not for any real violations but for trivia. Have you ever seen the “this end up” 2-arrow symbol on boxes? If the arrows are any other color than black
or the wrong size or the wrong size print it’s a violation as if they were missing.

mad scientist on August 20, 2011 at 5:39 PM

And while this is going on…. where the H is our congress? Bastards!

ultracon on August 20, 2011 at 5:57 PM

“Pirates of the Arab Being.”

Aardvark on August 20, 2011 at 6:02 PM

We are in the hands of nut cases that believe Americans need to live in regulated compounds with means of transportation, industry, real jobs etc. They wish to regulate births, deaths, energy consumption and food for everyone but themselves. They are deadly serious and they are insane.

pat on August 20, 2011 at 4:40 PM

Precisely.

Alana on August 20, 2011 at 6:04 PM

“Government regulation should balance between risks and rewards, allowing industry to succeed especially in vital economic markets as energy production, and treat all players equally.”

Before the “…and treat all players equally” part your statement implies too large a role for government. Government should not be in the business of “allowing industry to succeed” nor should it be balancing “risks and rewards”. That’s for the market and its productive forces to do. The greater the government involvement the greater the inefficiencies.

ncjetsfan on August 20, 2011 at 6:27 PM

And while this is going on…. where the H is our congress? Bastards!

ultracon on August 20, 2011 at 5:57 PM

present

Wade on August 20, 2011 at 6:32 PM

Two Step Economy Recovery

1. Make English Official Language
2. Drill Baby Drill

Wade on August 20, 2011 at 6:34 PM

There may be a more apt description of this administration than “regulatory pirates,” but if so, I’d have a tough time naming it.

I can think of a couple, but they’re not very polite.

hillbillyjim on August 20, 2011 at 7:23 PM

This bunch of Communists have used the fairy tale of global warming to destroy the energy business in the U.S. They are doing the same to the coal industry in an attempt to “Green” America. The poor fools who buy into this are going to wake up with no electricity, transportation, etc. I agree that it’s a national security threat also. Can you imagine a battery powered F-22 or a solar powered aircraft carrier? I would like to shove that cowboy hat where the sun doesn’t shine and frog march this guy to the penitentiary!

Marco on August 20, 2011 at 7:48 PM

Exxon is now fighting the permit action in a federal court in Lake Charles, La., calling it “arbitrary,” “capricious” and “an abuse of law.”

.
… “arbitrary,” “capricious” and “an abuse of law” are sufficient grounds to have bureaucrats fired.
.
If this drags into 2013, then I expect to see some fairly senior government bureaucrats lose thier jobs and pensions … maybe even a few collaborators at the EPA
.

Arbalest on August 20, 2011 at 3:39 PM

“ARBITRARY and CAPRICIOUS”:

EXACTLY the words used by Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal in July 2010 when 11,000 angry Cajuns packed the Cajundome in Lafayette, Louisiana, in the heart of the south Louisiana oil industry, to protest 0bamaA+’s Gulf of Mexico drilling moratorium.

This tyrannical administration is running roughshod over our rights. My girlfriend lost her house, and her best friend had to move with her 2-year-old baby to Brazil, to follow her husband’s oil rig that picked up stakes and went to Brazil.

Now that a year has passed since the Jindal speech, watch it again, and hear the OUTRAGE that 0bamaA+ has perpatrated on the people of south Louisiana, and America:

Bobby Jindal “Arbitrary & Capricious” speech, Part 1


Bobby Jindal “Arbitrary & Capricious” speech, Part 2

Jindal is on fire!

cane_loader on August 21, 2011 at 12:49 AM

If the GOP doesn’t win the Senate or loses the House what, exactly can she do if elected?

BallisticBob on August 20, 2011 at 2:45 PM

She can give the new administrator of the EPA, OSHA, (pick your favorites) budgets of $100 each.

Just because Congress appropriates money, doesn’t mean it has to be spent. Turn the rest back in to the Treasury. THE PEOPLE will Cheer.

Jimmy Doolittle on August 21, 2011 at 2:14 AM

Tis the black spot!

andycanuck on August 21, 2011 at 5:54 AM

The Obama administration’s use of regulatory adventurism goes way beyond the legitimate regulatory function of government to punish industry and discourage growth and success for its own political agenda.

The Obama Administration, Hugo Chavez’s and Castro’s biggest agents in El Norte.

Lourdes on August 21, 2011 at 7:28 AM

I do live on the Gulf, in LA.

The BP Oil spill was/is bad, but the drilling ban/slowdown is an order of magnitude worse. BP is paying for the damage and clean up. They should have acted more responsibility in the first place.

After the bad publicity that BP got, do you feel drilling companies will act better or worse in the future?

Oil is a natural substance; old plants and animals. Google natural oil seepage.

I would rather face the possibility of more oil spills and clean ups, than Obama’s Pirates for 6 more years.

barnone on August 21, 2011 at 10:04 AM

barnone,

Oil is a natural by-product of the Earth’s internal processes, it is not “old plants and animals”. It is not, and should quit being called “fossil fuel”. There is no evidence of DNA found in crude oil, and a find like this massive well of oil should show anyone who will think for themselves that 7,000 feet below the ocean’s surface is a place where no amount of flora/fauna concentrations could ever have collected to create billions of barrels worth of oil.

We learn to throw off so many of the lies of the Left, how about we add this to the list? The concept that crude oil was reconstituted dinosaur matter was generated to make us think it was a soon-to-be depleted resource. It’s a lie.

Freelancer on August 21, 2011 at 10:47 AM

Freelancer on August 21, 2011 at 10:47 AM

Agreed. I have often argued that oil production is a continuous process, that oil is being generated naturally somewhere and has been for millions of years.
We’re much more likely to run out of lithium for batteries than oil or natural gas.

mad scientist on August 21, 2011 at 11:53 AM

Hey evabody, don’t forget that NATIONAL TALK LIKE A PIRATE DAY is coming up on September 19. Seriously.

Maybe Obama and his gang of thugs are just practicing up for the momentous occasion.

“We aargh going to redistribute wealth as part of arrgh Goerge Soros-mandated plan to wreck America and the world economy.”

Here be the Obamacare Plan fer all ye lads to choke on.”

“We aargh confident the Stimulus Plan will create shovel-ready jobs fer me hearties in the corrupt unions”

“We arrgh confident that aargh Permitorium against American oil & gas companies will take the wind out of the sails of the American oil & gas companies and aid me particular friend George Soros down off Brazil.”

Shiver me timbers! In return fer the SEALs murdering me good matey Osama Bin Laden the Moozlim and me good maties the Somalian Moozlim Pirates commanding the M/V Alabammy, I gave me fellow Moozlims the intel on the CH-47 Chinook helicopter that was shot down by me shipmates the Moozlim freedom-fighters”

…and the list goes on and on. I can’t wait until Nov 2012 when we vote out this ship-faced scalawag and keel-haul him and his like-minded ilk.

CatchAll on August 21, 2011 at 2:15 PM

Barry Inc. is working hard to bring this country down. NO administration can be this consistently bad by ‘accident’.

GarandFan on August 20, 2011 at 2:33 PM

Spot on, M1

Virtually everything coming out of this administration seems designed to bring down the economy.

Cloward-piven, anyone?

Can’t let a crisis go to waste, and if the crisis doesn’t exist, manufacture one, so the climate exists to remake the entire society.

iurockhead on August 21, 2011 at 3:10 PM

We learn to throw off so many of the lies of the Left, how about we add this to the list? The concept that crude oil was reconstituted dinosaur matter was generated to make us think it was a soon-to-be depleted resource. It’s a lie.

Freelancer on August 21, 2011 at 10:47 AM

OK, late in this thread, and likely few if any will read this, but……

Can’t let that crap stand. Dr. Gold has some interesting arguments, virtually all of then borrowed from Russians. And it’s baloney. There is, agreed, some methane from volcanos and deep non-organic sources. Minor amounts.

How would you explain the Green River oil shales, which actually contain no oil, but rather a huge amount of kerogen that is immature and has not yet generated any oil because it never got hot enough or deep enough? In other areas, where the Green River equivalents have gotten deep and hot enough, and is adjacent to reservoir rocks, the oil production is huge.

This stuff contains a huge amount of type I kerogen, derived from mainly algae in a lacustrine (lake, rather than ocean) environment, that can be cooked to produce about one barrel of oil from a 2.4 foot cube of rock. It did not come from a deep non-organic source, it came from dead plants and animals (not dinosaurs, but dead microbes). Virtually all oil and gas production can be traced back to a similar source rock, with high organic content. Many of those source rocks are now targeted reservoirs, such as the Barnett Shale in Texas or the Marcellus Shale in NY and PA. Production that has not been traced back to such source rocks simply have not been adequately studied.

Granted, the fringe nutballs and gullible/ignorant individuals that buy in to Gold’s theories of non-organic origins of petroleum don’t really really add up to a fart in a whirlwind when it comes to finding and producing energy, but I have a hard time letting such ignorant statements slide by unanswered.

*steps down off the soapbox*

iurockhead on August 21, 2011 at 3:30 PM

What an insult, to pirates.

Speakup on August 21, 2011 at 7:45 PM

And I’m sure there were people saying it before Palin.

BallisticBob on August 20, 2011 at 2:38 PM

Really?

Name one.

Subsunk

Subsunk on August 22, 2011 at 9:32 AM

iurockhead on August 21, 2011 at 3:30 PM

I guess, even without reading Dr Gold, I still don’t find enough certainty to totally agree with you. Just because it is possible to cook petroleum out of Keragen in lab conditions doesn’t mean all petroleum had to come from lichens and dinosaur crap from millions of years ago. How else do you explain the deep Earth survey which found tons of hydrocarbons streaming into the mantle in a teardrop shape and then flowing to other parts of the Earth through the mantle?

I’m just not convinced there is enough dinosaur crap to account for all the proven oil reserves in the world to date. Something else inside the Earth is producing it, and if it is still being produced, then it sure as He’ll isn’t non renewable, is it?

Subsunk

Subsunk on August 22, 2011 at 9:41 AM