Weekly initial jobless claims go up 9,000 … unexpectedly!
posted at 11:30 am on August 18, 2011 by Ed Morrissey
Honestly, if it wasn’t for the media reaction to the weekly initial jobless claim numbers, this would just be a headline. Instead, it’s becoming a weekly installment at Hot Air. Here’s the real perspective — “Weekly initial jobless claims continue to not change significantly in months”:
In the week ending August 13, the advance figure for seasonally adjusted initial claims was 408,000, an increase of 9,000 from the previous week’s revised figure of 399,000. The 4-week moving average was 402,500, a decrease of 3,500 from the previous week’s revised average of 406,000.
The advance seasonally adjusted insured unemployment rate was 2.9 percent for the week ending August 6, unchanged from the prior week’s unrevised rate of 2.9 percent.
The advance number for seasonally adjusted insured unemployment during the week ending August 6 was 3,702,000, an increase of 7,000 from the preceding week’s revised level of 3,695,000. The 4-week moving average was 3,716,000, a decrease of 4,500 from the preceding week’s revised average of 3,720,500.
There is nothing magic about crossing the 400,000 claim level in one direction or another by 9,000 claims. It’s statistical noise. The only barrier reached in either direction is strictly psychological. In terms of macroeconomic indications, a 399K report is just as lousy as a 401K report, except for the individual 399,00 or 401,000 people who had to file claims in any given week. Given the volatility in reporting, a 2% shift from one week to the next isn’t significant at all, the kind of statistical noise that should be expected.
Which is why, of course, that Reuters didn’t expect it:
New U.S. claims for unemployment benefits rose more than expected last week, according to a government report on Thursday that suggested hiring in August was steady but not robust. …
Economists polled by Reuters had forecast claims rising to 400,000. The prior week’s figure was revised up to 399,000 from the previously reported 395,000.
What matters for economic analysis isn’t the specific number in one week, but the range over the last few weeks. The range in Q1 was around 380K; in Q2, it was 420K. So far in Q3, it seems to be right in between, centering around 400K. That doesn’t signify any kind of stable job creation, let alone growth; at best, we’ll see something less than the population-growth-meeting net job creation number of 125,000 on average in that range, as this year has shown.
Unfortunately, after giving the 400K myth of stable job creation a rest one week ago, Andrea Ricci returned to it again this week:
The rise in jobless claims, which took them just above the 400,000 threshold, is unlikely to change perceptions that the economy will dodge another downturn. Claims below the 400,000 mark are usually associated with a stable labor market.
The notion that dropping below 400K is “usually associated with a stable labor market” is utter hogwash. How do I know that? I did what Reuters’ economists keep failing to do — compared weekly initial jobless claim levels with levels of employment:
Take a look at the historical series of weekly claims between December 2005 and December 2007, the last time we really had “stability” in the labor force. The highest number in that period was 355,000 in a week, and that was in December 2007 when the economy slid into recession. In fact, between January 2004 and January 2008, we had only two weeks of 400K-level weekly claims, both in September 2005, and they were very much the exception. The average for that four-year span is 326,735, and the median number is 324,000 — which is why I usually use the 325K number in my analyses. We actually didn’t get to the 400K level until July 2008, at which point no one considered the labor market “stable.”
Perhaps economic indicators wouldn’t be so surprising for Reuters if they spent more time looking at actual numbers and trends rather than engaging in hopeful spitballing. …
Think I’m fudging those baseline expectatations by using the supposedly “overheated” Bush economic expansion? Well, take a look at the same series for the four years between 1996 and 1999. The average number of initial jobless claims per week in that period was 321,986, and the median was 317,500. There was exactly one week of 400,000 or more claims in a week, and that took place in January 1996.
There has never been a time when a 400K level of initial weekly jobless claims has been associated with a “stable labor market,” and I challenge Reuters to identify even one period of stable labor markets where we had a 400K range of reports — ever.









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Expect those numbers to go up when the Summer help workers gets laid off.
portlandon on August 18, 2011 at 11:32 AM
Good news is coming… in 2012… meanwhile… it’s excuses and vacations.
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RalphyBoy on August 18, 2011 at 11:33 AM
It seems the stock market is cratering ‘unexpectedly’ also!
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letget on August 18, 2011 at 11:33 AM
Big deal, the lobster suppliers and pool cleaners up at Martha’s Vineyard are so busy they barely have time to sleep a few hours.
The Mooch must be fed.
Bishop on August 18, 2011 at 11:33 AM
I wish to he** we could just report the truth, about 20 to 25% are unemployed. Period. Spare us all the bogus elaborate gyrations and calculations that really don’t mean squat.
Tim Zank on August 18, 2011 at 11:34 AM
I don’t have a dime in the stock market… I honestly feel sorry for those of you who do…
Khun Joe on August 18, 2011 at 11:34 AM
Groovy, I’m sitting here watching the stock market plunge unexpectedly.
Knucklehead on August 18, 2011 at 11:34 AM
Obama! Obama! ObamAAA+!
csdeven on August 18, 2011 at 11:35 AM
I’m waiting for Obama to unexpectedly do something positive for America.
RBMN on August 18, 2011 at 11:35 AM
Moving the goal posts to make carrying Obama’s water easier.
That’s the state of “journalism” today. Pathetic.
jondun5 on August 18, 2011 at 11:35 AM
The bottom has fallen out of the global economy, President Obama. What are you going to do next?
Go to Disneyland!
Mutnodjmet on August 18, 2011 at 11:36 AM
Dow tanking, CPI increasing faster than thought. Data on housing and midatlantic output worse than thought increaisng unemployment and European banks on death watch. Yeap heck of a job Obamaie.
unseen on August 18, 2011 at 11:36 AM
Yeah, I used to. It went away. Half into thin air, the other half to live on. Judging by my line of work (real estate) I won’t ever have to worry about being in the stock market again either.
Tim Zank on August 18, 2011 at 11:37 AM
wow maybe BO and Holder will go after the agency that develops these jobless stats next….
jbh45 on August 18, 2011 at 11:37 AM
Let the man eat his ice cream!
vcferlita on August 18, 2011 at 11:38 AM
That is (imperfectly) accounted for in the seasonal adjustments.
Judging by the non-adjusted numbers (which are the fastest way to compare things to the prior year in the actual report), it appears the drop in initial claims is not exactly due to hiring. The number of those in the unemployment insurance program, while down somewhat from last year, is not down nearly as much as initial claims.
Steve Eggleston on August 18, 2011 at 11:39 AM
Let us know if Reuters accepts your challenge.
Cindy Munford on August 18, 2011 at 11:39 AM
More “bad luck”
J_Crater on August 18, 2011 at 11:39 AM
Smith and Wesson shares holding strong…..huh.
Bishop on August 18, 2011 at 11:39 AM
I liked Bloomberg’s take on it:
“More Americans than forecast filed applications for unemployment benefits last week, signaling the labor market is struggling two years into the economic recovery.”
“More than forecast.” I like that. “Unexpectedly” was getting a little tired.
Doughboy on August 18, 2011 at 11:40 AM
Meanwhile, news from Texas….Denton Co, housing sales up 34%, Tarrant Co, up 27%, Johnson Co, up 22%.
Of course it had nothing what-so-ever to do with keeping folks working.
Limerick on August 18, 2011 at 11:40 AM
If you wanted more people speeding while driving, would raise the fees for speeding tickets?
If you want a faster economy, would you raise the fees (taxes) for productivity?
Obama would.
WashJeff on August 18, 2011 at 11:42 AM
Yep, my 401k is pretty much worthless at this point!
psrch on August 18, 2011 at 11:43 AM
Bad jobs number day..that means Carney will cancel the Daily briefing?
malkinmania on August 18, 2011 at 11:44 AM
Wow, that’s some bad luck, Barry!
The Magical Misery Tour
Is taking your job away,
Taking your job away.
Take it away!
cartooner on August 18, 2011 at 11:44 AM
B+
SDarchitect on August 18, 2011 at 11:45 AM
Here is even more alarming news, Ed:
. . .also unexpectedly!
Emperor Norton on August 18, 2011 at 11:45 AM
I heard a rumor that the White House has forced an unprecedented reopening of lobster season in the North Atlantic in an effort to keep Mooch well fed during the vacay. Can anyone confirm?
slickwillie2001 on August 18, 2011 at 11:45 AM
The only good thing about my 401K is that when the Dems come to take it, there won’t be anything there.
ORconservative on August 18, 2011 at 11:46 AM
He might just as well go shove a ice pick in his eye, it would be less painful.
Tim Zank on August 18, 2011 at 11:46 AM
In order to stop these recurring surprises, they are going to have to change reality to match their projections.
Vashta.Nerada on August 18, 2011 at 11:46 AM
The housing market is unexpectedly going from terrible to even worse too.
But the good news is that the DJI is rallying back up to -400.
forest on August 18, 2011 at 11:47 AM
I wonder if those businesses bho went to on his ‘listening tour’ will be going out of business anytime soon? Bad things happen when bho shows up at a place, they close and employees are let go!
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letget on August 18, 2011 at 11:47 AM
So how many times would you let your doctor’s diagnosis be unexpectedly wrong before you found a different doctor?
Limerick on August 18, 2011 at 11:48 AM
That is not good.
unseen on August 18, 2011 at 11:48 AM
“Thank Allah my listening tour is over just in time!”
-But Mr. President, all you did during the tour was blab.
“Even so…glad it’s over.”
Bishop on August 18, 2011 at 11:49 AM
Are you kidding? This is the buying opportunity of a lifetime.
Vashta.Nerada on August 18, 2011 at 11:49 AM
Damn right people need jobs. Underemployment is also a big problem. When are these goofs going to do something about it? And I don’t mean bailouts, green jobs, etc. I’m a strong believer it cutting taxes and regulations and getting rid of the epa.
Blake on August 18, 2011 at 11:49 AM
Can we have a recall election on King Barry?
Knucklehead on August 18, 2011 at 11:50 AM
Next month when Barry announces the new CCC. Watch.
Limerick on August 18, 2011 at 11:50 AM
Nice challenge! And article, too!
tinkerthinker on August 18, 2011 at 11:51 AM
As I understand it, unemployment is next up on Barry’s agenda. He has a plan and will share it with us. September at the very latest.
a capella on August 18, 2011 at 11:51 AM
The Obama Recession, you unexpectedly bone it, you unexpectedly own it!
Chip on August 18, 2011 at 11:52 AM
While Scooter is enjoying martha’s Vineyard with the rest of the Kennedys, most Americans will be lucky if they can take a swim in the apartment pool before the summer is over.
kingsjester on August 18, 2011 at 11:52 AM
Making payroll might be an issue.
a capella on August 18, 2011 at 11:53 AM
This should read “The Nobel Prize winning A$$hats at the AP and REUTERS unexpectedly had an unbiased thought..” And now the official cereal of the Obama Administration and the general media http://s89.photobucket.com/albums/k201/morbid_slaying/?action=view¤t=assclown.jpg&sort=ascending
PatriotPete on August 18, 2011 at 11:55 AM
Exactly what he is hoping for. Making millions and millions of reclamation jobs to put his people back to work and that the Republicans block with no new revenue.
His only war plan at this point is to make us Mr Potter in 2012.
Limerick on August 18, 2011 at 11:55 AM
PBHO is pivoting towards jobs like a steel-spined laser of ass kicking, enchanted, black storybook doom. Unemployment doesn’t have a chance.
Bishop on August 18, 2011 at 11:56 AM
Ot: crickets chirping on the attacks in Israel snd now its breakingnews that Israel attacks Gaza killing couple of folks
Unstinkingbelievable
cmsinaz on August 18, 2011 at 11:58 AM
Woohoo…this means more stimulus will be given out to the newly unemployed.
WashJeff on August 18, 2011 at 11:59 AM
Start handing out food stamps to everyone in the unemployment lines, they will have jobs before the day is over.
Bishop on August 18, 2011 at 12:02 PM
Well look at it from Obama’s angle. The more people unemployed the more people getting a gov check the more people that will vote for Obama to keep the checks coming. Liberal thought [process simplified.
unseen on August 18, 2011 at 12:02 PM
cmsinaz on August 18, 2011 at 11:58 AM
And unforgivable.
kingsjester on August 18, 2011 at 12:03 PM
I think at this point QE3 is a done deal and the fed chairman will be brought up on charges of treason.
unseen on August 18, 2011 at 12:03 PM
So what’s the bottom line plan?
Keep lying in hope Obama can get another 4 years and it will then be too late for us to stop it all?
that’s no winning plan for them
They forget who they are dealing with, I think. ;)
golfmann on August 18, 2011 at 12:04 PM
I heard some of the missles came from Eygpt. If so this could spark a war between the two
unseen on August 18, 2011 at 12:04 PM
hope for change I guess.
unseen on August 18, 2011 at 12:05 PM
He is counting on the misery to sweep us all back under the rug.
Limerick on August 18, 2011 at 12:05 PM
The Israeli government already said that the Egyptian military government was not suspect.
Limerick on August 18, 2011 at 12:06 PM
Yepper KJ and unseen
cmsinaz on August 18, 2011 at 12:08 PM
Certainly is, just wish I still had some money left.
Tim Zank on August 18, 2011 at 12:09 PM
30 months of this propaganda and they still try to keep up the farce. Thats pretty crazy.
dogsoldier on August 18, 2011 at 12:10 PM
And (Beck said this morning that) Hamas said Israel had better not shoot back because it’s Ramadan. ISYN.
Akzed on August 18, 2011 at 12:13 PM
Stoopid ATMs.
Dr. Carlo Lombardi on August 18, 2011 at 12:20 PM
well that is the first good news I heard today. thanks
unseen on August 18, 2011 at 12:21 PM
Just a bump in the road!
rjoco1 on August 18, 2011 at 12:29 PM
Who are you to challenge Reuters, you insignificant, chrome-pated blogger? You’ll take what Reuters says and like it.
Extrafishy on August 18, 2011 at 12:55 PM
When you “lead from behind,” everything is “unexpected”!!!
…’cause you have NO IDEA where you’re going!
landlines on August 18, 2011 at 1:00 PM
HA,what a laff, I’d just paint YomKippur ’73 on my tank!
muslim cowards.
orbitalair on August 18, 2011 at 1:09 PM
You need to read more carefully:
But how far below 400,000? The article is silent. Well 75,000 below, but that was just a generalization by the reporter, not a falsehood. It was just a rounding error.
tommylotto on August 18, 2011 at 1:12 PM
The media can’t admit that their guy is failing worse than Jimmy Carter. At this point, he’s seriously approaching James Buchanan / Franklin Pierce levels of incompetency as President. So they are doing everything they can to boost him – just as they did everything they could destroy his predecessor. These ‘unexpected’ bad economic reports are an attempt to falsely build up this horrendous economy precisely as they falsely claimed the economy was bad during the Bush Administration (anyone remember the ‘jobless recovery’ that was on every front page for months – a trick they used very successfully against George H.W. Bush as well, I might add). For the media it is all about the narrative and especially for a group like Reuters that is reflexively anti-American to begin with. So at this point, while it is important to continue to debunk their false ‘reporting’ they are a propaganda outfit and should be treated as such. in my humble opinion…
StoneHeads on August 18, 2011 at 1:23 PM
you guys……just wait until the Department of Jobs opens up…..then the unemployment rolls are going to just VANISH!!!! /libs
search4truth on August 18, 2011 at 1:28 PM
Er, well I think he’s doing a fine job.
crr6 on August 10, 2011 at 6:15 PM
Del Dolemonte on August 18, 2011 at 1:34 PM
Oof!
Youngs98 on August 18, 2011 at 1:39 PM
The Labor force had been growing by roughly 1.8 million per year up until Obama, which translates to 150,000 net new jobs per month to break even on employment.
If the number is down to 125,000 now, if it is, that’s 300,000 people per year LESS joining the labor force, which we know is not true, so it must reflect people of working age leaving the labor force as their benefits expire and they are automatically purged from the statistics even if they still want and seek work.
Heckuva job, Barry!
Adjoran on August 18, 2011 at 1:48 PM
A few weeks ago I read a comment from a Cornell law professor (whose name I have forgotten) about the only thing Obama could do to ensure his reelection. I believe it deserves wider comment. Basically, he said
Obama’s catch 22, is that the only way he can get the economy to explode with growth so he could be reelected would be to announce he won’t run for reelection.
And, frankly, if he was really concerned about what’s best for the country, and not just his own self-interests, that’s what he should do.
Dr. Charles G. Waugh on August 18, 2011 at 2:11 PM
It’s because it’s been so hot of course. That’s why the unemployment stats are so high this week.
(Well, if they can blame it on the snow in January, blaming it on the sun in August can’t be that much of a stretch!)
UnderstandingisPower on August 18, 2011 at 2:15 PM
Reuters talked about a DOWN economy in the Bush years. Now they’re trying to talk UP the economy for their pal Barry.
Seems these intellectual giants are unaware the economy doesn’t listen to Reuters.
GarandFan on August 18, 2011 at 2:18 PM
With our economy in the tank does it make sense to keep dumping millions in foreign aid to the Palestinians and on the hopeless Africans (and I mean hopeless)? But somehow the minions making a living off it in civil service and the bleeding hearts keep it going. Even bankrupt countries like Ireland can’t stop this insanity well described here.
I think we would be better sending our aid to the US.
Chessplayer on August 18, 2011 at 2:38 PM
Might be time for the trifecta.
OOTD.
QOTD.
UOTD. Unexpectedly of the Day
mrt721 on August 18, 2011 at 2:53 PM
Dr. Charles G. Waugh on August 18, 2011 at 2:11 PM
BullCrap! I can think of 2 ways he can remain President, neither of which I don’t think anyone would do anything about.
1. Cancel elections altogether.
b. Stuff the ballots like mad, and simply claim to win.
Do you seriously think there are enough people to dissent on either one? If they do, they simply play into DHS hands.
Descent into Nightmare.
orbitalair on August 18, 2011 at 3:28 PM
My comment was on what Obama could and should do, not on what he will do.
But if you want my personal opinion, I believe Krugman’s desire for an alien invasion may already have occurred. Since I’ve only seen a photoshopped birth certificate, I’m assuming our POTUS, himself, could be an alien. And if he is, the result certainly has been the antithesis of Krugman’s hopes.
Dr. Charles G. Waugh on August 18, 2011 at 4:02 PM
What no crr or bayam? Nothing like a little cold water to scare those creatures.
Oh and thanks a friggin lot President Obama!!!
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CW on August 18, 2011 at 8:18 PM
To be fair, it is stable in the same sense that a corpse is in a “stable” medical condition.
didymus on August 18, 2011 at 10:51 PM