Bad news from NASA: If we don’t reduce carbon emissions, the aliens might come and kill us; Update: Not a NASA report

posted at 10:27 pm on August 18, 2011 by Allahpundit

This is really just the story of Sodom and Gomorrah repackaged with a scientific patina for the green agenda, no? An omnipotent super-being looks down upon mankind, is angry at what it sees, and resolves to smite the sinners. Can the angels at NASA find 50 righteous world leaders willing to strike a deal at Copenhagen II before it’s too late?

The bad news is, they might not find them. The good news is, the resulting alien invasion will inspire the Keynesian orgy of Paul Krugman’s wettest dreams.

It may not rank as the most compelling reason to curb greenhouse gases, but reducing our emissions might just save humanity from a pre-emptive alien attack, scientists claim…

The authors warn that extraterrestrials may be wary of civilisations that expand very rapidly, as these may be prone to destroy other life as they grow, just as humans have pushed species to extinction on Earth. In the most extreme scenario, aliens might choose to destroy humanity to protect other civilisations.

“A preemptive strike would be particularly likely in the early phases of our expansion because a civilisation may become increasingly difficult to destroy as it continues to expand. Humanity may just now be entering the period in which its rapid civilisational expansion could be detected by an ETI because our expansion is changing the composition of the Earth’s atmosphere, via greenhouse gas emissions,” the report states.

“Green” aliens might object to the environmental damage humans have caused on Earth and wipe us out to save the planet. “These scenarios give us reason to limit our growth and reduce our impact on global ecosystems. It would be particularly important for us to limit our emissions of greenhouse gases, since atmospheric composition can be observed from other planets,” the authors write.

None shall be spared their wrath, except maybe the plucky diehard renegades of libertarian Waterworld. At the risk of remotely legitimizing a “study” this impossibly stupid and agenda-driven, let me ask two obvious questions. One: If E.T. is watching and worried about us conquering the galaxy or whatever, shouldn’t they have given us the Alderaan treatment at the start of the nuclear age? It’s inane to think they’d be more worried about climate change that we can’t control than catastrophic blasts of radioactive fire that we can. Two: There’s no good reason to think that an alien intelligence’s knowledge of human civilization would be limited to a metric as crude as changes in the atmosphere. If they’re capable of invading or destroying us from afar, they’re probably capable of close observation to detect whether we’ve made any advances that might threaten other planets. Even if they’re limited to atmospheric observations, why wouldn’t they have destroyed us at the start of the industrial revolution when greenhouse gases first started filling the air? See how arbitrary and idiotic this “reasoning” is? It’s one small notch below religious people trying to divine God’s will.

Exit question: Wouldn’t solving our climate-change problem freak out E.T. even more than the problem itself? If the atmosphere’s changing in a way that endangers human life, that suggests we either haven’t figured out how to fix it or are too divided to do so. That makes us weak. Good news for E.T.! But once we band together and figure out how to control our climate, that makes us much more of a threat. In which case, it’s Alderaan time. For the sake of the children, then, we’d better keep those emissions coming. See how fun and easy it is to import an agenda into dopey pie-in-the-sky hypotheticals?

Update (8/19): So goofy is this paper that we actually got an e-mail from a NASA spokesman this morning noting that it isn’t an official agency study. One of the authors is affiliated with NASA, but that’s it. Duly noted.

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Is their Earth spy a “Madagascar hissing cockroach” that has taken over the body of a US Senators wife?

DSchoen on August 19, 2011 at 6:25 AM

Waxulon-6 is the spy’s name.

MNHawk on August 19, 2011 at 7:12 AM

Do not be afraid. It will never happen. Kirk and the Enterprise will travel back in time and save the day.

That’s the global warming solution that I’m going use to win MY Peace Prize.

Peri Winkle on August 19, 2011 at 7:14 AM

Bozo the clown, NASA scientist … global warming hoaxer supreme …

Is that you in the suit OblameO?

tarpon on August 19, 2011 at 7:15 AM

Quick! Everyone learn to yodel…

Peri Winkle on August 19, 2011 at 7:16 AM

Expect a stimulus frenzy of spending, say in the range of a coupleof trillion to put this issue before a super committee to decide the facts about aliens once and for all.

The Democrats will select half the seats and the aliens will determine who gets the other.

Janet Napolitano has announced that ICE will only deport aliens by priority-our galaxy friends on Mars go last!

Don L on August 19, 2011 at 7:19 AM

Wow. Now that is some crazy neo-luditism right there.
I’ve never really cared much for the pseudo atheists who leave their churches because they don’t like the morals those churches impose, but still can’t survive without imagining some higher power that will punish behavior they don’t like.

Count to 10 on August 19, 2011 at 7:19 AM

What if they come here and it’s not hot enough?
What if they’re Mormons?
What if they’re rational beings who are here to invite us, as fellow rational beings, to join their Federation of Planets — and then meet Obama, elected leader of our nation?
What if they discover that we taste like chicken?

Aardvark on August 19, 2011 at 7:19 AM

What if they discover that we taste like chicken?

Aardvark on August 19, 2011 at 7:19 AM

What if they come ‘To Serve Man’?

Peri Winkle on August 19, 2011 at 7:24 AM

Maybe the aliens aren’t actually evil conservatives that will preemptively come here and attack us, but are actually liberals who will come here and help lead us to the nirvana of clean air, full employment, and peace among all nations.

PatMac on August 19, 2011 at 7:25 AM

I hope they show up wearing Texas-sized 10 gallon hats and fancy cowboy boots just to watch the liberal media heads explode.

Don L on August 19, 2011 at 7:25 AM

Maybe the aliens aren’t actually evil conservatives that will preemptively come here and attack us, but are actually liberals who will come here and help lead us to the nirvana of clean air, full employment, and peace among all nations.

PatMac on August 19, 2011 at 7:25 AM

Don’t think so. If they were liberals they’d be too busy vacationing out on the Vineyard.

Don L on August 19, 2011 at 7:27 AM

Somebody just saw the remake of, “How the earth stood still.”

BTW, I was so happy that Keanu Reeves finally found a role he couldn’t eff up. That of a robotic, emotionless alien. In fact, he was so detached and clueless about this planet he reminded me of PBHO.

MJBrutus on August 19, 2011 at 7:30 AM

Save the planet by getting religion!

Annar on August 19, 2011 at 7:35 AM

Algore was put here by the Martians to save us.

Ack aack ack ack!

petefrt on August 19, 2011 at 7:42 AM

Ron Paul excited…a family reunion on Earth…

right2bright on August 19, 2011 at 7:43 AM

To quote the great Private Hudson (Bill Paxton) from “Aliens.”

“That’s it man, game over man, game over! What the f*** are we gonna do now? What are we gonna do?”

KillerKane on August 19, 2011 at 7:43 AM

What happens if the aliens are against taxing citizens, government expansion?
What happens if they feel that humans are part of the ecology, and stopping them from building, creating, digging is the same as stopping an eagle from building a nest?
The liberals should be the ones worried…you can bet the aliens didn’t get here using a government program…

right2bright on August 19, 2011 at 7:46 AM

I have a more serious question for these scientists: how many aliens can dance on the head of a pin?

entagor on August 18, 2011 at 11:16 PM

I am a scientist; how big a pin?

massrighty on August 18, 2011 at 11:22 PM

I’m from the EPA and need to see your authorization to make the pin.

Don L on August 19, 2011 at 7:12 AM

I’m from OSHA and you are not allowed to have pins unless you have been pin-certified.

SKYFOX on August 19, 2011 at 7:55 AM

Science!

gwelf on August 19, 2011 at 8:09 AM

but are actually liberals who will come here and help lead us to the nirvana of clean air, full employment, and peace among all nations.

PatMac on August 19, 2011 at 7:25 AM

Nah. They’d be looking for “revenue” after taxing their planet out of existence.

BacaDog on August 19, 2011 at 8:12 AM

Ah, but what if said aliens are sentient mechanical beings that can turn into gas-guzzling SUV’s or fighter jets?

ZK on August 19, 2011 at 8:16 AM

I have a more serious question for these scientists: how many aliens can dance on the head of a pin?

entagor on August 18, 2011 at 11:16 PM

I am a scientist; how big a pin?

massrighty on August 18, 2011 at 11:22 PM

I’m from the EPA and need to see your authorization to make the pin.

Don L on August 19, 2011 at 7:12 AM

I’m from OSHA and you are not allowed to have pins unless you have been pin-certified.

SKYFOX on August 19, 2011 at 7:55 AM

I am from the EEOC, are there a representative number of minorities in the manufacturing of the pins?

right2bright on August 19, 2011 at 8:21 AM

If you look real close, you can make a case that President Jug Ear might be an alien. Honestly, have you ever seen ears like that on any other human?

mwdiver on August 19, 2011 at 8:21 AM

It’s amusing to watch Hotair readers take every article at face value. The NASA – Penn State report wasn’t related to global warming, but likely scenarios and outcomes of human contact with alien life.

So you can calm down, it’s ok.

bayam on August 18, 2011 at 11:51 PM

Matter of time before you or Oakland showed up to tell us how to interpret the article, or what you superior-intellect types felt it was OK for us to think, or believe.

Thanks for the assist, but we’ve got this one with out you.

See, the point of this thread is that tax money (through NASA’s contribution, paid for by us,)and more tax money (through Penn states contribution, hunks and chunks of which are paid for by us,) was used to fund this.

Some of us want a well-funded NASA that builds ships to go into space. We’re stuck with this, instead. Not happy.

massrighty on August 19, 2011 at 8:23 AM

Maybe NASA should just stick to what they do best: Muslim outreach.

crushliberalism on August 19, 2011 at 8:26 AM

NASA should stick to its primary function: helping Muslims feel better about their contribution to math and science.

Disturb the Universe on August 19, 2011 at 8:28 AM

I have a more serious question for these scientists: how many aliens can dance on the head of a pin?

entagor on August 18, 2011 at 11:16 PM

I am a scientist; how big a pin?

massrighty on August 18, 2011 at 11:22 PM

I’m from the EPA and need to see your authorization to make the pin.

Don L on August 19, 2011 at 7:12 AM

I’m from OSHA and you are not allowed to have pins unless you have been pin-certified.

SKYFOX on August 19, 2011 at 7:55 AM

I am from the EEOC, are there a representative number of minorities in the manufacturing of the pins?

right2bright on August 19, 2011 at 8:21 AM

This is President Obama. I’m nationalizing the pin industry.

Bishop on August 19, 2011 at 8:28 AM

Bring it on aliens! I dare you to try and take our leader from us, I dare you!

WordsMatter on August 19, 2011 at 8:29 AM

massrighty on August 19, 2011 at 8:23 AM

Please, be nice…bayam has a reading and comprehension problem we like to think we can help these poor unfortunate souls. Yes, he is not too bright, but no reason to publicly bring that out and humiliate him.

right2bright on August 19, 2011 at 8:30 AM

WordsMatter on August 19, 2011 at 8:29 AM

That’s good…

Bishop on August 19, 2011 at 8:28 AM

Chicken or the egg…union or nationalization?

right2bright on August 19, 2011 at 8:33 AM

hawkdriver on August 19, 2011 at 2:14 AM

I’m thinking that the aliens will look like lobsters.
Things go awry from the beginning when, at the first meet and greet, Big Mooch does a salivating flying tackle on the alien leader.
After much conflict things end well for humananity, with the final scene being a close up of Mooch licking clarified butter off her fingers.

justltl on August 19, 2011 at 8:35 AM

No wonder we don’t have any money to spend on manned spaceflight anymore – It’s all being spent on more important things like Islamic outreach and Dune geeks living in their parent’s basements coming up with third rate Al Gore fantasies that are too lame to be shown even on the SyFy channel.

I think I could run a better space program out of my garage using my old Estes rockets.

JFS61 on August 19, 2011 at 8:49 AM

It’s one small notch below religious people trying to divine God’s will.

Uh, “Thou shalt not steal.” That’s God’s will. You moron.

Akzed on August 19, 2011 at 8:54 AM

I think I could run a better space program out of my garage using my old Estes rockets.
JFS61 on August 19, 2011 at 8:49 AM

The good ol’ days of Estes, when the PC-Safety police didn’t exist and boys could fire those things off the roof of the garage at crazy low angles.

*wipes a tear away*

Yep…the good ol’ days.

Bishop on August 19, 2011 at 9:02 AM

Isn’t this the outfit that used to excel in science? Why don’t they forget about this science fiction nonsense and get back to their core competencies such as making Muslims feel good about their contributions to math and science? Sheesh!

ROCnPhilly on August 19, 2011 at 9:02 AM

One look at Pelosi and they will flee back to their planet at warp speed.

SANTA on August 19, 2011 at 9:04 AM

The good ol’ days of Estes, when the PC-Safety police didn’t exist and boys could fire those things off the roof of the garage at crazy low angles.

*wipes a tear away*

Yep…the good ol’ days.

Bishop on August 19, 2011 at 9:02 AM

Makes me want to run to the hobby store right now and blow my allowance on an Interceptor and a couple packs of C-6-5s.

*sigh*

ROCnPhilly on August 19, 2011 at 9:06 AM

It’s amusing to watch Hotair readers take every article at face value. The NASA – Penn State report wasn’t related to global warming, but likely scenarios and outcomes of human contact with alien life.

So you can calm down, it’s ok.

bayam on August 18, 2011 at 11:51 PM

Matter of time before you or Oakland showed up to tell us how to interpret the article, or what you superior-intellect types felt it was OK for us to think, or believe.

Thanks for the assist, but we’ve got this one with out you.

See, the point of this thread is that tax money (through NASA’s contribution, paid for by us,)and more tax money (through Penn states contribution, hunks and chunks of which are paid for by us,) was used to fund this.

The government has planned for any number of scenarios that involve contact with alien life since the 1940′s, and that isn’t going to change anytime soon.

bayam on August 19, 2011 at 9:18 AM

Now where in the world could NASA have gotten such an outlandish idea?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Day_the_Earth_Stood_Still_(2008_film)

mizflame98 on August 19, 2011 at 9:27 AM

A much better theory on why aliens might wipe us out is from the book “Forge of God” by Greg Bear.

Alien Hunter-Killer civilization sends out billions of self-replicating probes to find “noisy” civilizations – those that are radiating radio waves into space. Much like a wolf that finds a lost and crying baby deer in the forest. Since we have been sending out radio waves to a while now, the Killer probes show up and destroy the Earth.

And I have not read it, but I think Fred Saberhagen’s book “Berzerker” has a similar plot.

kutabeach on August 19, 2011 at 9:43 AM

justltl on August 19, 2011 at 8:35 AM

I’m all for “kill em and grill em”.

Extrafishy on August 19, 2011 at 9:46 AM

bayam on August 19, 2011 at 9:18 AM

You know, boy, what’s funny is when you pseudo intellectual, NPR listening types, claim that you’re above the typical American, because you read European news sources, such as the BBC, the Independent, and yes, the Guardian.

So own it, b**ch!

MNHawk on August 19, 2011 at 9:53 AM

It’s amusing to watch Hotair readers take every article at face value.

So you can calm down, it’s ok.

bayam on August 18, 2011 at 11:51 PM

It’s amusing to watch how some use anonymous blogs to berate others in order to inflate their already overblow egos.

Rod on August 19, 2011 at 9:53 AM

All we gotta say is “Klaatu barada nikto” and Gort will calm down.

Akzed on August 19, 2011 at 9:55 AM

And NASA wonders why they are out of business.

abcurtis on August 19, 2011 at 9:56 AM

Maybe global warming is a way to change the planet to be more hospitable to the new alien overlords and only Man-Bear-Pig can save us. Only he (and L. Ron Hubbard) have seen the threat. That is why Gore created the internet, so all of Earth can connect through Facebook and twitter to stop the alien’s plans.
Al Gore, leader of the resistance.

Ahh who am I kidding. With the USA space program shutdown and nothing but Muslim outreach to occupy the time of bored rocket scientists, they have turned to writing short fiction stories.

mechkiller_k on August 19, 2011 at 9:57 AM

This is so laughable; it’s pathetic. NASA (US Taxpayers) pays for a study done by Penn State greenies (heh, little green people) to “settle the science” for Al Gore. ROFLMAO !!! NASA needs an overhaul, top-to-bottom, and Al should be targeted first for his humongous carbon footprint. Geez, you can’t make this stuff up …

Bob in VA on August 19, 2011 at 9:58 AM

All we gotta say is “Klaatu barada nikto” and Gort will calm down.

Akzed on August 19, 2011 at 9:55 AM

Gort…Gore.
GORT…GORE….

Hey wait a minute

mechkiller_k on August 19, 2011 at 9:58 AM

At the bottom of this incredibly stupid report is alien worship. A concept that there are smart beings out there that will save us all from ourselves. Liberals often suffer from this strange affliction. But that is no surprise considering they always worship men or systems.

There are only three possible outcomes when it comes to extraterrestrial contact and two of them are very bad for us. And none of them involve CO2.

1.) Indifference. First contact under this scenario will certainly be fascinating and exciting. But not too long afterwards we will realize they are truly alien to us. They will have nothing to offer us in terms of systems for their existence and universal outlook will be alien and unworkable for ourselves. The converse is true as well.

The ultimate outcome will be indifference to each other. A live and let live attitude since neither will have anything to offer the other except curiosity. And the most we could possibly hope for in terms of a relationship would be some sort of limited trade of curios. They won’t need or want our resources and vice versa if we become competent enough ourselves to traverse the stars.

2.) Colonization. The only way aliens will ever want the Earth is because it is compatible to their alien physiology. And if they want the Earth they won’t want us around. Aliens will never invade us for resources (not when they can be obtained in almost limitless quantities all over the galaxy) and they will never want to groom us for entry into the Galactic Club of Liberal Wet Dreams. Such a club does not exist. But they may very well think the Earth will make an awesome vacation destination or retirement community.

3.) Extermination. If sentient life is ubiquitous in the galaxy there are going to be “Muslim” aliens. What I mean by that are beings that view themselves as the only true inheritors of the universe and all other intelligent life must be exterminated. They won’t say, “Hi, we’re here to kill you.” They will simply vaporize the Earth from afar and move on. The good news? No more NASA reports like these.

NotCoach on August 19, 2011 at 9:59 AM

All we gotta say is “Klaatu barada nikto” and Gort will calm down.

Akzed on August 19, 2011 at 9:55 AM

Gort…Gore.
GORT…GORE….

Hey wait a minute

mechkiller_k on August 19, 2011 at 9:58 AM

You are a profound thinker my friend.

mizflame98 on August 19, 2011 at 10:24 AM

…besides, who’s to say that They won’t be coming around to judge which species have done the most with the gift of sentience, and developed their planets to the most advanced degree? Who’d to say that they wouldn’t take one look at our serene, homeostatic, sustainable, planet-bound existence (since a robust space program would require a vigorous industrial and technological base, anathema to the Ecotopians’ idea)…and declare us galactic slackers in need of culling?

Crikey! If there were any more projection in this bit of felgercarb, you could sell popcorn!

Noocyte on August 19, 2011 at 10:25 AM

So far, there is no evidence of life anywhere in the Solar System except on Earth. If intelligent life from a planet light-years away was measuring temperatures in our Solar System, and found that Venus was 200 C hotter than Earth and Mars was 100 C colder than Earth, would they really care if Earth’s temperature rose 1 C?

Besides, the spectral signal of Earth’s change in CO2 concentration, traveling at the speed of light, probably didn’t reach the aliens yet, and if they wanted to attack us, it would probably take them centuries to get here!

We should worry more about Earth getting hit by an asteroid–they’re much CLOSER than space aliens!!!

Steve Z on August 19, 2011 at 10:35 AM

NASA another obsolete government agency seeking a mission. They have found it “science fiction writers”.

Dasher on August 19, 2011 at 10:36 AM

A much better theory on why aliens might wipe us out is from the book “Forge of God” by Greg Bear.

kutabeach on August 19, 2011 at 9:43 AM

Excellent book. Made me realize we have absolutely no idea what’s out there, and we would be as ants to almost any alien civilization. They could wipe us out without even trying.

Our best strategy is to not attract attention to ourselves. Not that I agree in the least with this NASA crap.

ZenDraken on August 19, 2011 at 10:38 AM

PS: I wonder if any space aliens found that “Adam and Eve” plaque that Jimmuh Carter sent out of the Solar System aboard the Voyager spacecraft in the late 1970′s.

Or, more likely, it didn’t get to them yet.

Steve Z on August 19, 2011 at 10:44 AM

ROFL

This might be your best post ever Allahpundit.

HardwoodBottom on August 19, 2011 at 10:51 AM

I’m more worried about aliens coming here to get welfare and free health care. If word gets out we could have half the galaxy trying to immigrate here.

darwin on August 19, 2011 at 10:58 AM

Additionally, with Obama’s new “diversity” EO, we’d have to start hiring aliens for federal jobs.

darwin on August 19, 2011 at 11:00 AM

The government has planned for any number of scenarios that involve contact with alien life since the 1940′s, and that isn’t going to change anytime soon.

bayam on August 19, 2011 at 9:18 AM

None of what you’ve posted today invalidates the point that I, and other posters have made: this is a waste of money, and a misapplication of the resources of what used to be a great agency, with a noble purpose.

When you post things like “we’ve done this for years,” as an attempted defense, you may as well post “the crayon is purple.”

massrighty on August 19, 2011 at 11:05 AM

Kind of related.

We saw pictures of Bill Clinton with space aliens, yes? We saw pictures of George W. Bush with space aliens. Maybe the reason we’ve never seen pictures of Obama with space aliens is the same reason we never see pictures of Batman with Bruce Wayne?

Bonus point. Why are space aliens always naked?

Dale Wyckoff on August 19, 2011 at 11:06 AM

Makes me want to run to the hobby store right now and blow my allowance on an Interceptor and a couple packs of C-6-5s.

*sigh*

ROCnPhilly on August 19, 2011 at 9:06 AM

Not without a permit from the ATF and an approved flight plan from the FAA you won’t

Mangy Scot on August 19, 2011 at 11:13 AM

Did SETI@HOME intercept the message?

E L Frederick (Sniper One) on August 19, 2011 at 11:41 AM

Wow, if the aliens are concerned about our greenhouse gases, they’re going to freak out when they see Venus.

Lawdawg86 on August 19, 2011 at 11:42 AM

Aliens have already been here.
They use the earth as a dumping ground for their defectives and social misfits who would otherwise debase and destroy their society.
Don’t believe it?
Here:

Nancy Pelosi, Michael Moore, Janeane Garofolo, Keith Olbeman, Hank the “Guam will tip over” Guy, Maxine Waters, Al NottheSharpestToolintheShedTon, Sean Penn, Algore, King and Queen Obama, Chris Matthews. The list goes on.

How else would you explain such “people”?

justltl on August 19, 2011 at 12:25 PM

So when you see a lib or Dem or lefty and find yourself asking “WTF planet are they from?”, you’re not too far off the mark.

justltl on August 19, 2011 at 12:29 PM

One of the authors is affiliated with NASA, but that’s it. Duly noted.

If this is not the scariest thing….I’m not sure what is anymore.

Exactly at what point in the movie The Day the Earth Stood Still, was this doofus thinking….this could really happen?

My mind is always open to the possibility of other life out there, but in all this time, maybe they’ve come to the conclusion not to tamper, but to leave well enough alone? The problem is, we have idiots in high places, making claims that Star Trek was real!

capejasmine on August 19, 2011 at 12:34 PM

So goofy is this paper that we actually got an e-mail from a NASA spokesman this morning noting that it isn’t an official agency study. One of the authors is affiliated with NASA, but that’s it.

Well then, it didn’t take all that long for NASA to head for the exits.

I also note, with great interest, that they’re using the ‘lone unaffiliated author’ as cover for disowning this scientific ‘fanfic’…never mind the NASA folks that were equally ‘on-board’ with this POS study.

I’m seeing two BIG ways to trim (or ‘re-purpose’) NASA’s budget: Climate Studies, and Muslim Outreach…and everybody involved with it.

Gone. Gone. Gone.

CPT. Charles on August 19, 2011 at 1:24 PM

Oops.

I also note, with great interest, that they’re using the ‘lone unaffiliated author’ BS as cover for disowning this scientific ‘fanfic’…never mind the NASA folks (above said person) that were equally ‘on-board’ with this POS study by allowing it to see the light of day.

CPT. Charles on August 19, 2011 at 1:27 PM

See how arbitrary and idiotic this “reasoning” is? It’s one small notch below religious people trying to divine God’s will.

Wow, AP. Get up on the wrong side of the bed this morning?

The fact that I’m a Christian would seem to indicate that I believe in a God that is actively involved in leading my life — you know, that whole “plan of redemption” thing the Bible talks about. If that’s what I believe, then how is it illogical, arbitrary or stupid to think that I can rely on God to direct my life by revealing His will to me? It seems to follow naturally, doesn’t it?

Work that statement backward now. Those that believe that they can (as you say) divine God’s will are doing so as a direct, logical consequence of what they believe.

Take that to its logical conclusion, and when you call us a notch above arbitrary idiots, what you’re really saying is that our beliefs are are arbitrary & idiotic. Is that really what you feel? You can’t believe, or choose not to believe, therefore everyone who disagrees with you is an imbecile?

Hmm…

RationalIcthus on August 19, 2011 at 1:48 PM

And remember, libs don’t spread fear!! They just want you to calmly consider that beings about whom we have no clue might want to exterminate the human race for bad housekeeping.

And they’ll call it something else if they have to.

Axeman on August 19, 2011 at 2:07 PM

Paging Adrian Veidt!

Axeman on August 19, 2011 at 2:11 PM

Wow, if the aliens are concerned about our greenhouse gases, they’re going to freak out when they see Venus.

Lawdawg86

Not to worry. They don’t suffer from Venus envy – or so I’ve heard. :)

honsy on August 19, 2011 at 4:26 PM

This is President Obama. I’m nationalizing the pin industry.

Bishop on August 19, 2011 at 8:28 AM

This move will make Obama the U.S. Pinhead!!!

landlines on August 19, 2011 at 6:48 PM

http://paleblueblog.org/post/9110304050/some-important-points-of-clarification

From the writer that works at NASA…

DJ Elliott on August 19, 2011 at 6:57 PM

From DJ Elliotts link:

After all, I consider the likelihood of contact with an alien civilization to be low. It certainly wasn’t urgent, as I don’t expect this to happen anytime soon. But… it sounded like fun and I decided to join in on it. So we wrote the paper, but I have to admit that Seth and Jacob put in the vast majority of the work on it. One of the scenarios we considered in the review was the possibility that an alien civilization would contact us because they were concerned about the exponential growth of our civilization, as evidenced by climate change. This isn’t an entirely new idea; remember, this was a review effort. Indeed, Keanu Reaves recently played a similar alien in the movie “The Day the Earth Stood Still.” There were lots of other ideas we reviewed, but this was probably the most provocative.

So – heh – yes, yes they did actually, literally rip off The Day the Earth Stood Still.

Axe on August 19, 2011 at 8:07 PM

It’s one small notch below religious people trying to divine God’s will.

What business does an atheist have commenting on such things, Allahpundit?

disa on August 19, 2011 at 9:39 PM

Axe on August 19, 2011 at 8:07 PM

Yah. Good fiction takes on an autonomous life of its own, organically spilling beyond the borders of the page, and leaving you wondering what the world would be like if it were true.

Remove the subjunctive mode from the above, and what you’re left with is delusion.

Noocyte on August 20, 2011 at 1:03 AM

…For example, while I was first reading Michael F Flynn’s superb “Firestar,” one of the characters (“Styx,” if you’ve read it) actually made an appearance in a dream, as someone I knew (Flynn writes like that; it’s one of the reasons he’s been such a prominent influence in my own writing…that, and he’s REALLY good at getting you inside the tech without bashing you over the head with it).

Anyway, what happened next was that I…erm…woke up and proceeded to not check my contact list for Styx’s entry.

Seems someone out there could really benefit from my services, day-job-wise. :-/

Noocyte on August 20, 2011 at 1:09 AM

So goofy is this paper that we actually got an e-mail from a NASA spokesman this morning noting that it isn’t an official agency study. One of the authors is affiliated with NASA, but that’s it. Duly noted.

However it likely represents the thinking at NASA.

Corky Boyd on August 20, 2011 at 9:20 AM

It’s one small notch below religious people trying to divine God’s will.

What business does an atheist have commenting on such things, Allahpundit?

disa on August 19, 2011 at 9:39 PM

Well, I wouldn’t go to that extent. Atheists can know concepts and themes from religion. However, the perspective that he presents here, is countered by the concept of the Holy Spirit. It does not make God fully scrutable, but it makes direction towards God’s will possible.

Axeman on August 22, 2011 at 8:28 AM

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