Wrap-up from Waterloo: Perry embraced, Bachmann falls a little flat; Update: Perry video added

posted at 9:30 pm on August 14, 2011 by Ed Morrissey

Governor Rick Perry, Rep. Michele Bachmann, and former Senator Rick Santorum met in Waterloo, Iowa this evening to woo Blackhawk County Republicans and fight for national attention.  The media wondered whether Iowans would forgive Perry for snubbing the Ames straw poll and whether Bachmann could build on her win yesterday in the event.  And while some questions were answered, others will start arising from the performances.

Perry made a good start with a friendly crowd.  He used a mobile, dynamic style and emphasized the commonalities between the agricultural states of Texas and Iowa.  Perry spoke of the difficult farming life and his formative years in small-town Texas, as well as spending a surprising amount of time talking about his military experience.  At one point, he got a rousing cheer from the crowd when he pledged to make the presidency regain the respect of men and women in uniform. Perry also talked about jobs, and how his record shows that he can fix what’s ailing the nation.  The crowd reacted with enthusiasm, interrupting Perry a number of times with applause and cheers.

If Iowans were angry about his decision to skip Ames, it didn’t manifest itself here.  Perry got plenty of enthusiasm from the crowd.

In contrast, Bachmann’s reception seemed less enthusiastic.  The lighting had to be changed before Bachmann spoke, apparently at the campaign’s insistence, which delayed her entrance and interfered with the timing of her entrance announcement.  But more puzzlingly, Bachmann didn’t arrive to mix with the crowd before the event started, waiting until she was scheduled to speak to enter the Electric Ballroom.  Perry arrived early and greeted every table, the kind of retail politics that Iowa usually rewards — and that Iowans expect.  Whether the attendees were off-put by the snub or not, Bachmann received less enthusiastic response than Perry did for his speech. I should note that Bachmann actually gave a better delivery of what was essentially the same speech she did in Ames, with much better use of dynamics and projection that fit the more intimate environment.

Coming as that does in her home town, it poses the question whether Perry will steal her thunder here in Iowa as well as other states in which she will not have the natural advantages she does here.  For one evening, Bachmann came in second.

Note: Big thanks to Peter Hamby of CNN for allowing me to use his Internet connection to file this report.

Update (AP): Courtesy of the Right Scoop, here’s Perry’s speech. Click the image to watch.

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Palin put her constituents before herself and even before her own career when she made the decision to step down. She noted that Alaskans were essentially being deprived of a governor while the lawsuits were being filed one after another after another. She didn’t just walk out on Alaskans; she made sure that Alaskans had Parnell as a hands-on governor before she left.

We need more people like that in politics, not fewer.

Aitch748 on August 15, 2011 at 10:19 AM

Word has it that she’s holding out because she thinks if she gets in now, the other candidates probably won’t be properly vetted. Seems like a good reason to hold out as long as she can.

miConsevative on August 15, 2011 at 2:27 AM

That sounds like smart politics to me. And I could see Palin, if it’s a three-way split by next summer, throwing her delegates behind Perry for the good of the country. Do I see Perry doing the same? Not really.

piglet on August 15, 2011 at 10:21 AM

Ah, so this is a Palin thread. I get it.

Back on topic –

I don’t see how Perry can run.

I mean, clear thinking HotAirians have already stated that it is too late to get in the race.

So he should be disqualified.

fossten on August 15, 2011 at 10:21 AM

I mean, clear thinking HotAirians have already stated that it is too late to get in the race.

So he should be disqualified.

fossten on August 15, 2011 at 10:21 AM

Didn’t you know, that only applies to Palin.

idesign on August 15, 2011 at 10:37 AM

Rick “Mandate” Perry. Fire in the belly.

Will be so nice to have a president again who doesn’t need a teleprompter. So nice.

Schweggie on August 15, 2011 at 10:40 AM

I mean, clear thinking HotAirians have already stated that it is too late to get in the race.

So he should be disqualified.

fossten on August 15, 2011 at 10:21 AM
Didn’t you know, that only applies to Palin.

idesign on August 15, 2011 at 10:37 AM

Has General Palin ever slapped you girls and told you to tighten up? The General should. It’s embarrassing.

Marcus on August 15, 2011 at 10:54 AM

Has General Palin ever slapped you girls and told you to tighten up? The General should. It’s embarrassing.

Marcus on August 15, 2011 at 10:54 AM

Really? I thought the embarassing part was the double standard applied to Palin by her detractors.

darwin on August 15, 2011 at 11:05 AM

That’s funny, I’ve never heard a counter argument. Let’s hear what ya got.

The fact that she quit and Americans don’t abide quitters is the first hurdle. We don’t care why because we don’t allow ourselves the luxury of quitting. The next hurdle is that when don’t give quitters a bigger job than the one they quit in the first place.

Plus, for someone who, in your opinion can’t handle pressure she never seems to back away from it.

darwin on August 15, 2011 at 10:16 AM

Back away from what pressure? Playing games with the media? Getting paid to pontificate on Fox? Stepping all over her fellow republicans events?

If she REALLY wanted to face the pressure, she would have announced 2 months ago and faced the scrutiny of a presidential campaign. She would be facing specific questions and engaged in the debates.

csdeven on August 15, 2011 at 11:08 AM

darwin on August 15, 2011 at 11:05 AM

Why would you say something so rational and sensible? You’re supposed to snark and sound like a blue haired bitty sitting under a hair-dryer.

Marcus on August 15, 2011 at 11:13 AM

darwin on August 15, 2011 at 11:05 AM

It isn’t a double standard, in the sense that two equals are being treated differently. The facts are that Perry and Palin are in very different circumstances, even prior to Perry’s entry.

Perry had lots of support based on his extensive record of governing TX. He has shown broad appeal in governing that state for 10 years, winning re-election twice. He also benefited greatly from the factors which brought him in to the race to begin with, the absence of Daniels and Barbor. And he lacked the negatives that Palin has to overcome.

As I’ve said for months, Palin won’t run. Here’s a summary of why, none of which apply to Perry:

1. She lacks the political chops or even desire to expand her base. She appeals only to the converted.
2. She has only won a few small time elections, the most significant of which was practically uncontested for what amounted to a vacant seat.
3. She was crucified by the press and most people consider her a joke (unfairly, but nonetheless true).
4. Her governorship was in a state that is nothing like any other or the Federal government in terms of financing or the problems that the rest of the nation faces. AK is financed almost exclusively by mineral extraction.
5. She effectively quit her political career when she quit as governor. Even if she did the right thing in quitting, it was the end of the line for her politically.

MJBrutus on August 15, 2011 at 11:17 AM

csdeven on August 15, 2011 at 11:08 AM

Well … that certainly wasn’t a rational counter argument. I suppose I’ll still be waiting to hear one.

darwin on August 15, 2011 at 11:40 AM

MJBrutus on August 15, 2011 at 11:17 AM

+1

csdeven on August 15, 2011 at 11:41 AM

Well … that certainly wasn’t a rational counter argument. I suppose I’ll still be waiting to hear one.

darwin on August 15, 2011 at 11:40 AM

The polling proves me correct and your arguments without logic and rife with wishful thinking.

csdeven on August 15, 2011 at 11:43 AM

MJBrutus on August 15, 2011 at 11:17 AM

Exactly. No one w/ any sense questions Mrs. Palin’s conservative cred-but she has too many negatives. She’ll make an excellent king/queen maker-but she is NOT presidential caliber.

annoyinglittletwerp on August 15, 2011 at 11:43 AM

MJBrutus on August 15, 2011 at 11:17 AM

Of course it’s a double standard. Perry could be governor of Alaska and you’d be tripping over yourself and gushing about how great he is.

It never Palin’s record or her accomplishments it’s always “she quit”, or “Alaska is like wilderness man”, or “the press beat her up” or other nonsense.

I sincerely doubt there’s anyone running today that could have withstood what Palin did. Not only did she survive she’s much stronger and the press is beginning to understand that access to her is available as long as they behave like the poress, not an arm of the democrat party.

darwin on August 15, 2011 at 11:50 AM

The polling proves me correct and your arguments without logic and rife with wishful thinking.

csdeven on August 15, 2011 at 11:43 AM

She isn’t an annjounced candidate. Plus, I’m still waiting for your counter argument.

darwin on August 15, 2011 at 11:51 AM

Exactly. No one w/ any sense questions Mrs. Palin’s conservative cred-but she has too many negatives. She’ll make an excellent king/queen maker-but she is NOT presidential caliber.

annoyinglittletwerp on August 15, 2011 at 11:43 AM

What exactly are those “negatives”? She’s from Alaska?

darwin on August 15, 2011 at 11:55 AM

What exactly are those “negatives”? She’s from Alaska?

darwin on August 15, 2011 at 11:55 AM

She resigned as gov of AK half-way through her ONLY term.
That’s a pretty big negative in my book.

annoyinglittletwerp on August 15, 2011 at 11:59 AM

I like Perry.
I like what he says and how he says it.

However, I LOVE what he has done in Texas.
I like his record.
I like that he doesn’t whine “I inherited a mess waahhhh”.
I like that he tells it like it is.

You don’t have to agree with him or vote for him.
But at least you know where he stands, unlike Obama.

As for Palin, I remember the excitement of her announcement. I remember being on a blog where one of the posters was tracking her flight from Alaska and being one of the first to know that she was McCain’s pick. (At least we thought and speculated that we knew!)
I remember her speech and how she absolutely wowed everyone.

But it’s been downhill from there.
She is not going to run.
She cannot win.
And as a previous huge supporter of hers, I don’t like her…will I or won’t I game.
If she is going to declare she should do so now.
Otherwise, she should do what she does best….keep pounding on Obama and then team up with the R winner and support them.

ArmyAunt on August 15, 2011 at 12:02 PM

annoyinglittletwerp on August 15, 2011 at 11:59 AM

Granted, and she admitted as much. But her political career didn’t factor in her decision as it may have for others who put themselves first.

Any others?

darwin on August 15, 2011 at 12:02 PM

But it’s been downhill from there.

ArmyAunt on August 15, 2011 at 12:02 PM

In what way?

darwin on August 15, 2011 at 12:03 PM

She isn’t an annjounced candidate. Plus, I’m still waiting for your counter argument.

darwin on August 15, 2011 at 11:51 AM

Announcing has nothing to do with her unfavorable numbers. Claiming so is the perfect example of wishful thinking.

Ignoring the facts of her unelectable status is why you are relying on wishful thinking. she quit and quitters do not get jobs with greater responsibility than the one they quit initially.

csdeven on August 15, 2011 at 12:17 PM

What exactly are those “negatives”? She’s from Alaska?

darwin on August 15, 2011 at 11:55 AM

She quit.

csdeven on August 15, 2011 at 12:18 PM

The polling proves me correct and your arguments without logic and rife with wishful thinking.

csdeven on August 15, 2011 at 11:43 AM

Fine. Don’t vote for her in the primaries then. A lot of us are quite happy to gamble that people in general are not so relentlessly unforgiving of a mere resignation as you.

Aitch748 on August 15, 2011 at 12:35 PM

ArmyAunt on August 15, 2011 at 12:02 PM

Many of us Palin supporters think she’s hanging back so that the other candidates have some time to be properly vetted, and that if she jumps in, the media might well ignore the other candidates. Give people a few weeks to “kick the tires” on Perry and decide how well they like him.

I say this as someone who also wants Palin to run.

Aitch748 on August 15, 2011 at 12:38 PM

She resigned as gov of AK half-way through her ONLY term.
That’s a pretty big negative in my book.

annoyinglittletwerp on August 15, 2011 at 11:59 AM

Palin resigned for the good of Alaska.

Perry lied to the people of Texas.

I’ll take a quitter over a liar any day…:)

idesign on August 15, 2011 at 12:41 PM

She quit.

csdeven on August 15, 2011 at 12:18 PM

Follow her lead. Get some rest. You are going to burn out before the election. OCD takes time to recover from. Get help.

faraway on August 15, 2011 at 12:48 PM

Of course it’s a double standard. Perry could be governor of Alaska and you’d be tripping over yourself and gushing about how great he is.

It’s easy to assert the counter-factual. And just as easy for me to say, yes way.

It never Palin’s record or her accomplishments it’s always “she quit”, or “Alaska is like wilderness man”, or “the press beat her up” or other nonsense.

That’s what people call politics.

I sincerely doubt there’s anyone running today that could have withstood what Palin did. Not only did she survive she’s much stronger and the press is beginning to understand that access to her is available as long as they behave like the poress, not an arm of the democrat party.

darwin on August 15, 2011 at 11:50 AM

But she didn’t survive and she isn’t stronger. She perished when she resigned. And her reputation was tattered. If you asked 100 people at random to tell you who said, “I can see Russia from my house,” a minority would tell you it was Tina Fey.

MJBrutus on August 15, 2011 at 1:00 PM

mere resignation as you.

Aitch748 on August 15, 2011 at 12:35 PM

A resignation from 46th ranked state in the union and you think Americans will agree that she is ready for the job of the most powerful person on earth? The people of Alaska, you know, the people she said she quit to save, well they didn’t appreciate it. Americans will look to the people of Alaska and rightfully conclude that if the people of her own state are not supportive of her resignation, then she certainly doesn’t deserve to be trusted with the job of POTUS.

csdeven on August 15, 2011 at 1:02 PM

She perished when she resigned.

MJBrutus on August 15, 2011 at 1:00 PM

Yet, here you are. I worry for you MJ. Do you believe in alien invasions?

faraway on August 15, 2011 at 1:02 PM

Follow her lead. Get some rest. You are going to burn out before the election. OCD takes time to recover from. Get help.

faraway on August 15, 2011 at 12:48 PM

The ad hominem attack is the last tactic of those with a defeated argument. It does nothing to mitigate her negatives.

csdeven on August 15, 2011 at 1:05 PM

Deven, you win. I will vote for Obama. Now, can you get some rest.

faraway on August 15, 2011 at 1:09 PM

A resignation from 46th ranked state in the union and you think Americans will agree that she is ready for the job of the most powerful person on earth? The people of Alaska, you know, the people she said she quit to save, well they didn’t appreciate it. Americans will look to the people of Alaska and rightfully conclude that if the people of her own state are not supportive of her resignation, then she certainly doesn’t deserve to be trusted with the job of POTUS.

csdeven on August 15, 2011 at 1:02 PM

“Quitter quitter quitter quitter quitter quitter quitter quitter quitter quitter quitter quitter quitter quitter quitter quitter quitter quitter quitter quitter quitter quitter quitter quitter quitter quitter quitter quitter quitter quitter quitter quitter quitter quitter quitter quitter quitter quitter quitter quitter quitter quitter quitter quitter quitter quitter quitter quitter quitter quitter quitter quitter quitter quitter quitter quitter quitter quitter quitter quitter quitter quitter quitter quitter quitter quitter quitter quitter quitter quitter quitter quitter quitter quitter quitter quitter quitter quitter quitter quitter quitter quitter quitter quitter quitter quitter quitter quitter quitter quitter quitter quitter quitter quitter quitter quitter quitter quitter quitter quitter quitter quitter quitter blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.”

Too bad. If you don’t like her, don’t vote for her. I want her in because of all the potential candidates, she’s most likely the most serious about reversing our runaway plunge toward financial ruin and not just slowing it down a little. I want her in just to find out if Americans are seriously going to weigh “the quitter” against Obama and actually decide that Dr. Depression isn’t such a bad guy to leave in charge after all. That I gotta see. If that happens, then I think we can safely assume that America was pretty well cooked before Election Day anyway.

Aitch748 on August 15, 2011 at 1:13 PM

The ad hominem attack is the last tactic of those with a defeated argument. It does nothing to mitigate her negatives.

csdeven on August 15, 2011 at 1:05 PM

Please. You know and we know that you’re not going to budge from the “quitter quitter quitter quitter quitter quitter quitter quitter quitter quitter quitter quitter quitter quitter quitter quitter quitter quitter quitter quitter quitter quitter quitter quitter quitter quitter quitter quitter” thing because you haven’t budged from it for months. How much of a debate do you really expect from the rest of us?

If you despise Palin, don’t vote for her. Nothing you say is going to dissuade us Palin supporters from supporting her and voting for her. We’ve heard all the arguments by now, including the “she’s only stringing you along” argument, and we’re still here and still supportive of her. Because the arguments are old and boring and obviously spin put out by people who just want Palin to go away for one reason or another.

Aitch748 on August 15, 2011 at 1:23 PM

Announcing has nothing to do with her unfavorable numbers. Claiming so is the perfect example of wishful thinking.

It’s difficult to say her numbers are bad when compared against candidates when she hasn’t announced yet … isn’t it?

Ignoring the facts of her unelectable status is why you are relying on wishful thinking. she quit and quitters do not get jobs with greater responsibility than the one they quit initially.

csdeven on August 15, 2011 at 12:17 PM

I’ll tell you what I’m wishing. I’m wishing for that “rational counter argument” you say have. You keep deflecting.

darwin on August 15, 2011 at 1:26 PM

faraway on August 15, 2011 at 1:02 PM

Yes, and I’m for securing our borders because of it. Why do you ask?

MJBrutus on August 15, 2011 at 1:27 PM

That I gotta see.

Aitch748 on August 15, 2011 at 1:13 PM

So, to satisfy yourself, you’ll risk allowing Obama to nominate more progressive justices that your future generations will be saddled with.

Go for it.

csdeven on August 15, 2011 at 1:28 PM

But she didn’t survive and she isn’t stronger. She perished when she resigned. And her reputation was tattered. If you asked 100 people at random to tell you who said, “I can see Russia from my house,” a minority would tell you it was Tina Fey.

MJBrutus on August 15, 2011 at 1:00 PM

That’s all your opinion. When Palin arrived at the Iowa state fair the press went to see her. They spent hours with her asking legitimate questions. Regardless of how bad you want her to be what you say, she isn’t.

darwin on August 15, 2011 at 1:29 PM

It’s difficult to say her numbers are bad when compared against candidates when she hasn’t announced yet … isn’t it?

That is why we look at unfavorable numbers in conjunction with other polling. Palin is toast.

I’ll tell you what I’m wishing. I’m wishing for that “rational counter argument” you say have. You keep deflecting.

darwin on August 15, 2011 at 1:26 PM

Your refusal to be rational when it comes to assessing Palins chances is limiting your scope of understanding.

csdeven on August 15, 2011 at 1:33 PM

That’s all your opinion.

D’uh. Who else’s opinion would it be?

When Palin arrived at the Iowa state fair the press went to see her. They spent hours with her asking legitimate questions. Regardless of how bad you want her to be what you say, she isn’t.

darwin on August 15, 2011 at 1:29 PM

The press loves to have her around. They love to let her be a symbol of the Tea Party (or conservatism or whatever bogeyman) they’re after that day. They portray her as an idiot and use her as a proxy to attack the Tea Partiere, etc.

MJBrutus on August 15, 2011 at 1:36 PM

So, to satisfy yourself, you’ll risk allowing Obama to nominate more progressive justices that your future generations will be saddled with.

Go for it.

csdeven on August 15, 2011 at 1:28 PM

It wouldn’t be me because I wouldn’t vote for Obama. It would be the people who actually looked at the governor and what she actually did while in office, then looked at the narcissist we have right now and all the things he’s done (or allowed to happen without doing anything about it), and decided that four more years with the feckless narcissist wasn’t so bad after all if the alternative is someone who resigned after two and a half years but did a lot of good in those two and a half years. Blame them.

If the thought of Palin vs. Obama terrifies you, pick somebody else in the primary. I’ll stick with Palin.

Aitch748 on August 15, 2011 at 1:37 PM

The ad hominem attack is the last tactic of those with a defeated argument.

csdeven on August 15, 2011 at 1:05 PM

The difference between you and your ilk and the terrorists, is that they blow up people and you level personal insults.

csdeven on June 29, 2011 at 10:08 AM

fossten on August 15, 2011 at 1:45 PM

people who just want Palin to go away for one reason or another.

Aitch748 on August 15, 2011 at 1:23 PM

That is hyperbolic nonsense. We don’t want her as the nominee because she can’t beat Obama. And beating Obama is more important than anything. If denying him the opportunity of nominating progressive justices was the only reason, that is more than enough.

For the most part, these discussions are simply the exchange of ideas. Most of us are convinced that she isn’t going to run and if she did, she would be embarrassingly defeated.

I believe many of you are completely incapable of assessing her in a rational manner and educating you is a challenge. These discussions are always circular in nature and that is why the arguments never change. I try to liven it up with other points such as the “she is stringing you along” argument. That doesn’t mean I don’t believe it, because it is entirely possible that the unintended consequence of her being too cleaver by half when dealing with the media is that she is in all practicality stringing you along.

csdeven on August 15, 2011 at 1:47 PM

So, to satisfy yourself, you’ll risk allowing Obama to nominate more progressive justices that your future generations will be saddled with.

Go for it.

csdeven on August 15, 2011 at 1:28 PM

This admission proves that you don’t give a fig about Palin’s ‘quitter’ record. You aren’t thinking that she’ll quit the Presidency half way through.

You’re just scared – afraid – frightened – fearful – that she will LOSE.

Thanks for admitting it.

Now we can move on and ignore your future DISHONEST arguments forever.

fossten on August 15, 2011 at 1:47 PM

That is hyperbolic nonsense. We don’t want her as the nominee because she can’t beat Obama. And beating Obama is more important than anything. If denying him the opportunity of nominating progressive justices was the only reason, that is more than enough.

csdeven on August 15, 2011 at 1:47 PM

This is specious and shallow thinking. A RINO frontrunner like Romney would do NOTHING to reverse the damage Obama has done to this country, but you are too blinded by your Palin-hate to see that. Unfortunately, there are too few possible candidates with the guts to face the Democrats head on and fight them. Beating Obama won’t be enough this time – the country stands on the precipice and it will take radical change to reverse course.

fossten on August 15, 2011 at 1:50 PM

fossten on August 15, 2011 at 1:45 PM

“You and your ilk” is a ad hominem attack? It is simply including you with others like you.

csdeven on August 15, 2011 at 1:52 PM

fossten on August 15, 2011 at 1:50 PM

Perhaps you haven’t noticed, but several of your fellow Palin fans are in fact are coming around to the conclusion that Palin won’t be running. With Perry getting in, it is looking increasingly clear to most that the race is Romney vs Perry (see I told you so and all that). It can’t be more than a few weeks away that you’ll see the inescapable truth in that.

MJBrutus on August 15, 2011 at 1:56 PM

csdeven on August 15, 2011 at 1:47 PM

Fine. Don’t vote for her. I intend to support her and vote for her.

“Educating you is a challenge.” Oh, is that what you’ve been trying to do? Educate us? By ignoring Palin’s successes and painting her resignation as something appalling and unforgivable? Here’s a challenge: Try educating me when I’m done arguing. You’re not going to budge; I’m not going to budge. Change that.

Vote for somebody else in the primary. If Palin wins the nomination, vote for Palin, vote for Obama, or stay home — I don’t care. I intend to support Palin, and your scenario of Palin losing like Mondale against President Jimmy-Carter-meets-Hugo-Chavez doesn’t exactly worry me.

Aitch748 on August 15, 2011 at 2:02 PM

Your refusal to be rational when it comes to assessing Palins chances is limiting your scope of understanding.

csdeven on August 15, 2011 at 1:33 PM

Your refusal to give me your “rational counter argument” is telling.

darwin on August 15, 2011 at 2:13 PM

A RINO frontrunner like Romney would do NOTHING to reverse the damage Obama has done to this country,

I never said that. Replacing Obama with an electable RINO candidate would at best be stopping the decline and at worst slowing it down.

but you are too blinded by your Palin-hate to see that.

That is more hyperbolic PCness. No one around here hates Palin. Sure, we have a very strong opposition to her, but that doesn’t translate to hate. I believe that your accusations of hate means that what you feel for her is on the equally opposite side of the spectrum.

Unfortunately, there are too few possible candidates with the guts to face the Democrats head on and fight them. Beating Obama won’t be enough this time – the country stands on the precipice and it will take radical change to reverse course.

fossten on August 15, 2011 at 1:50 PM

It isn’t time to fight them head on with certain issues that play to their strengths. We need incremental change over the next few years to roll back the damage. There are areas we should make drastic ( I don’t like to use the word radical in this context) swings in direction. Such as repealing Obamacare, Dodd/Frank, etc. But the deficit issue must be tackled incrementally because the problem is that big. We will not have the support of the majority of Americans if we don’t convince them to follow before we enact drastic changes. Look at what the demrats did with Obamacare. They pushed through an unpopular bill and paid for it in 2010.

We must stop Obama from loading up the SCOTUS with progressives. That consideration trumps all others.

csdeven on August 15, 2011 at 2:17 PM

Your refusal to give me your “rational counter argument” is telling.

darwin on August 15, 2011 at 2:13 PM

You already got it and you refuse to consider it rationally.

csdeven on August 15, 2011 at 2:19 PM

The press loves to have her around. They love to let her be a symbol of the Tea Party (or conservatism or whatever bogeyman) they’re after that day. They portray her as an idiot and use her as a proxy to attack the Tea Partiere, etc.

MJBrutus on August 15, 2011 at 1:36 PM

Funny how no one who interviewed her in Iowa did that.

You might want to watch these videos to see exactly what this CNN correspondent thought of Palin.

darwin on August 15, 2011 at 2:22 PM

By ignoring Palin’s successes and painting her resignation as something appalling and unforgivable?

Aitch748 on August 15, 2011 at 2:02 PM

She resigned for the good of her family. That isn’t appalling. And it isn’t unforgivable in the sense that she felt she saved her family. But in the political sense, it will not be forgiven. America will not entrust her with a vastly more difficult job when she resigned from a much, much, easier one.

csdeven on August 15, 2011 at 2:23 PM

You already got it and you refuse to consider it rationally.

csdeven on August 15, 2011 at 2:19 PM

lol

No kidding … that’s because it was non-existant.

You said any rational argument in defense of Palins resignation could be countered by an equally rational argument. I have yet to see one.

darwin on August 15, 2011 at 2:24 PM

She resigned for the good of her family.

csdeven on August 15, 2011 at 2:23 PM

That’s not what she said in her speech. I know we’ve been through this before.

darwin on August 15, 2011 at 2:25 PM

You said any rational argument in defense of Palins resignation could be countered by an equally rational argument. I have yet to see one.

darwin on August 15, 2011 at 2:24 PM

It is there, you just refuse to see it because you cannot be rational when it comes to Palin. You don’t support her, you worship her.

csdeven on August 15, 2011 at 2:44 PM

America will not entrust her with a vastly more difficult job when she resigned from a much, much, easier one.

csdeven on August 15, 2011 at 2:23 PM

Explain how the Governor of Alaska’s job is “much, much easier” than the President of the United States’s job.

(And I’ll note, just because it amuses me, that right now the guy we have right now seems to be spending more time golfing than actually doing anything productive. I’ll also note, just for comparison’s sake, that Sarah Palin is something of a workaholic.)

Aitch748 on August 15, 2011 at 2:46 PM

That’s not what she said in her speech. I know we’ve been through this before.

darwin on August 15, 2011 at 2:25 PM

She sure did and you Palin fans have used that excuse hundreds of times.

These are more examples of the lack of rationality you display when it comes to Palin. You use the welfare of her family to give her resignation credibility, but then deny it later. You claim she did it for the good of Alaskans, yet by a huge majority they do not support her resignation. You claim she didn’t leave this in the hands of her family, but she consulted them before deciding.

And even though family should be more important, no politician would ever admit that they would resign the presidency of the United States to save their family and expect to be elected. In the end, her resignation, for which ever reasons were behind it, shows that her commitment to elected office is not her top priority.

csdeven on August 15, 2011 at 2:55 PM

Explain how the Governor of Alaska’s job is “much, much easier” than the President of the United States’s job.

Aitch748 on August 15, 2011 at 2:46 PM

SERIOUSLY? I cannot believe that you would even think that we should have a discussion on the matter. Intellectual honesty would demand you concede the point and try to establish her worthiness to be POTUS with some other argument.

csdeven on August 15, 2011 at 2:58 PM

Explain how the Governor of Alaska’s job is “much, much easier” than the President of the United States’s job.

Darwin, do you remember me trying to explain why many of you Palin fans are called Palin worshipers? The above comment is why.

csdeven on August 15, 2011 at 3:00 PM

It is there, you just refuse to see it because you cannot be rational when it comes to Palin. You don’t support her, you worship her.

csdeven on August 15, 2011 at 2:44 PM

Fine, then repeat it.

darwin on August 15, 2011 at 3:19 PM

Explain how the Governor of Alaska’s job is “much, much easier” than the President of the United States’s job.

Aitch748 on August 15, 2011 at 2:46 PM

SERIOUSLY? I cannot believe that you would even think that we should have a discussion on the matter. Intellectual honesty would demand you concede the point and try to establish her worthiness to be POTUS with some other argument.

csdeven on August 15, 2011 at 2:58 PM

YES I’m serious. Explain the things that the President has to do that makes his job so much harder than being a mere Governor of Alaska. If the answer is obvious, you should have no trouble providing it. And no, “Bwaaaaahahahaha!” doesn’t count as an answer.

Aitch748 on August 15, 2011 at 3:22 PM

Man that’s some kind of cool teleprompter Perry. It follows all over the stage, and everything. They need to get one like that for Obama ;-)

smellthecoffee on August 15, 2011 at 3:23 PM

csdeven on August 15, 2011 at 2:55 PM

“I am determined to take the right path for Alaska even though it is unconventional and not so comfortable”.

“With this announcement that I am not seeking re-election… I’ve determined it’s best to transfer the authority of governor to Lieutenant Governor Parnell; and I am willing to do so, so that this administration – with its positive agenda, its accomplishments, and its successful road to an incredible future – can continue without interruption and with great administrative and legislative success.

My choice is to take a stand and effect change – not hit our heads against the wall and watch valuable state time and money, millions of your dollars, go down the drain in this new environment. Rather, we know we can effect positive change outside government at this moment in time, on another scale, and actually make a difference for our priorities – and so we will, for Alaskans and for Americans”.

“Some Alaskans don’t mind wasting public dollars and state time. I do. I cannot stand here as your Governor and allow millions upon millions of our dollars go to waste just so I can hold the title of Governor”.

“First things first: as Governor, I love my job and I love Alaska. It hurts to make this choice but I am doing what’s best for Alaska”.

It seems you’re wrong … as always.

darwin on August 15, 2011 at 3:26 PM

“Some Alaskans don’t mind wasting public dollars and state time. I do. I cannot stand here as your Governor and allow millions upon millions of our dollars go to waste just so I can hold the title of Governor”.

darwin on August 15, 2011 at 3:26 PM

Like I said — we need more people in politics who think like this.

Aitch748 on August 15, 2011 at 3:33 PM

Like I said — we need more people in politics who think like this.

Aitch748 on August 15, 2011 at 3:33 PM

That’s why I like her. She’s not a politician, she actually is a public servant.

darwin on August 15, 2011 at 3:39 PM

YES I’m serious. Explain the things that the President has to do that makes his job so much harder than being a mere Governor of Alaska. If the answer is obvious, you should have no trouble providing it. And no, “Bwaaaaahahahaha!” doesn’t count as an answer.

Aitch748 on August 15, 2011 at 3:22 PM

Good gravy…..

The POTUS has control of nuclear weapons.

So, try to explain to the group why you couldn’t figure that out. Or do you really think you can make a comparison to the job of running a gas station?

csdeven on August 15, 2011 at 6:21 PM

It seems you’re wrong … as always.

darwin on August 15, 2011 at 3:26 PM

So why did she ask her family what she should do instead of the people who elected her?

There is your first clue as to why the people she claimed she did this for do not like her.

csdeven on August 15, 2011 at 6:34 PM

So why did she ask her family what she should do instead of the people who elected her?

There is your first clue as to why the people she claimed she did this for do not like her.

csdeven on August 15, 2011 at 6:34 PM

So let me understand your stance on this. The state was losing millions, Palin’s administration was grinding to a halt and the Palin family was suddenly almost a million dollars in debt and you claim what she did was somehow wrong?

Whatever. I wish at least you’d find some new attack angle. You’ve been using this one for way too long.

darwin on August 15, 2011 at 10:13 PM

annoyinglittletwerp on August 15, 2011 at 11:59 AM

Why now and not before?…

Gohawgs on August 16, 2011 at 12:51 AM

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