“Frustrated” Obama rips Congress: It’s time for certain people to put country over party

posted at 5:29 pm on August 11, 2011 by Allahpundit

An actual quote from today’s remarks: “There are some in Congress right now who would rather see their opponents lose than see America win.” To which Steve Hayes, irked by the sight of yet another straw man being torched, replies, “Who are they?” The answer, I can only assume, is congressional progressives: They’re the ones who refuse to budge on the ruinous Medicare spending that’s rocketing the country towards fiscal collapse, as doing so would forfeit their party’s big campaign issue next year. But in case The One’s referring to tea-party congressmen (as he surely is), what was amazing about the “don’t raise the ceiling” crowd during the debt debate is that they were prepared to absorb a ferocious backlash against their own party in the name of doing something significant, i.e. Cut Cap and Balance, to solve America’s debt crisis. Time and again they were told that the GOP would bear the brunt of public anger if we didn’t make a deal, but they preferred that outcome to a weak compromise because at least there’d be important reform as a result. I know Democrats cherish their belief that the right acts only out of personal pique, not principle — it’s all part of the delegitimization game — but the caucus really was trying to put country first in that debate. Their means and ends simply differ from Obama’s; the fact that The One interprets that the way he does says more about him than it does about them, but Democrats have been begging him to be “bolder,” especially in attacking the tea party, so presumably they’ll be happy today.

The two key sections in the clip below run from 5:30 to 7:15 and 11:00 to 13:00. The grand absurdity of this critique, of course, is that every move this guy has made in recent memory, from yanking troops out of Afghanistan by next year to offering a budget so timid that it received not a single vote in the Senate to deliberately refusing to offer his own deficit-reduction plan during the debt-ceiling debate, is geared towards maximizing his odds of reelection. (It’s, er, not working.) The very last person who should be lecturing others about putting the country ahead of a campaign is the Perpetual Campaigner. But he can really sell the above-the-fray crap, can’t he? Exit question: Wasn’t putting country over party actually the campaign theme of Obama’s last opponent? Wouldn’t be the first time he’s borrowed a slogan from a Republican.

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Because in 1937 those who said lets end certain policies because those policies ‘didnt work’ ended up learning the hard way what happens when you cut public spending at a time when the private sector is focused on repairing its balance sheets

This crap is straight out of a Krugman column. We recognize it. We reject it. If you look it up, you will find that Democrats controlled Congress and the White House in 1937.

The road to hell is paved with Keynesian economics. Just see what happens in Europe in the next week.

Emperor Norton on August 11, 2011 at 6:36 PM

Liar!

cmsinaz on August 11, 2011 at 6:37 PM

Ad nausem will we here this

The new slurpee

cmsinaz on August 11, 2011 at 6:38 PM

Nearly 300 k per job created or saved.

Over 20 k per car in C4C.

Obamacare killing job prospects.

Call me skeptical but you lefties need to understand I ain’t buying.

CW on August 11, 2011 at 6:38 PM

He’s right, you know. Virtually everyone knows what needs to be done: Raise spending in the short term to stimulate the economy. Cut spending (including entitlements) and raise taxes in the long term to control government debt.

No one’s courageous enough to do it.

crr6 on August 11, 2011 at 5:38 PM

Yes, definitely need to show the world that pushing our debt past 100% of GDP was JUST THE BEGINNING!

/sarc

Just repealing Obamacare and the thousands of other oppressive regulations his lackeys around government have imposed would have us at 4% growth by the first quarter of 2012.

Have 49 employees and money to hire more? The cost in new Obamacare mandates when you hit 50 makes it prohibitive.

Thinking of restarting that factory you closed because now you have grown for it? Nope, the new Ozone limitations make it cost prohibitive, limitations increased by Obama’s EPA even though the EPA says Ozone isn’t a pollutant. . .

Want to hire at any size company? Can’t possibly know the cost of that hire because now insurance companies keep getting more and more things they have to cover without copays. Can’t wait to see how much that hits raises and people’s pocket books when the new plans come out. Those increased premiums are going to SLAM the economy by forcing people to insure things that are choices.

Any small oil company wanting to tap a new well and hire people has to worry that the oil “subsidies” that used to let him handle the risk in that are going away . . .

If you make any luxury item, from corporate jets to yachts to expensive cars you have to worry about the demagoging alone, not to mention the possibility your buyers will have their taxes go up massively.

Get the point. Probably not.

PastorJon on August 11, 2011 at 6:39 PM

Name one job that was created by the stimulus that isn’t a government job.

One.

hillbillyjim on August 11, 2011 at 6:19 PM

Bankruptcy lawyer.

Saltysam on August 11, 2011 at 6:33 PM

I stand corrected.

hillbillyjim on August 11, 2011 at 6:39 PM

Even though Sarah and Rush say the stimulus was a failure, that doesn’t mean that most economists would agree with that assessment the slightest.

bayam on August 11, 2011 at 6:05 PM

BS according to who… Rush? For some reason I don’t think you read the Economist or WSJ- this sounds like right wing drivel. Economists in China and Germany aren’t as stupid as you think.

bayam on August 11, 2011 at 6:11 PM

How do you define ‘hasnt worked’? Based on Rush or based on analysis from the CBO or Wall Street economists.

bayam on August 11, 2011 at 6:31 PM

Wow sweetie….he’s really in your head.

Get some help!

Tim_CA on August 11, 2011 at 6:39 PM

CW on August 11, 2011 at 6:30 PM

Her river of stupid runs long and deep. I really don’t know why anyone would engage her in debate. It’s just regeritated talking points with just the right amount of spin added.

milwife88 on August 11, 2011 at 6:39 PM

I’d like to hear that right from President Trumka Soros, and not just Trumka’s Soros’ dimwit spokesman, Obama.

RBMN on August 11, 2011 at 5:36 PM

FIFY. Scary, ain’t it?

psrch on August 11, 2011 at 6:40 PM

And so who does Pelosi nominate from her caucus to serve on the “super committee”? Partisans who know only talking points and identity politics and not a d*man thing about economics.
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2011/08/did-i-call-it-or-what.php

onlineanalyst on August 11, 2011 at 6:41 PM

It’s more bullshit. The stimulus…created a temporary artificial boost…

hillbillyjim on August 11, 2011 at 6:06 PM

I’m not convinced that the “stimulus” even accomplished that.

Dr. ZhivBlago on August 11, 2011 at 6:41 PM

Jackalope…!

Seven Percent Solution on August 11, 2011 at 6:42 PM

Wow sweetie….he’s really in your head.

Get some help!

Tim_CA on August 11, 2011 at 6:39 PM

Haha! I noticed that too.

carbon_footprint on August 11, 2011 at 6:42 PM

That’s what people were asking in past balance sheet recessions, including those in Japan and even back in 1937 in the US. In both cases, as well as others, the ‘common sense’ approach turned out to be flawed. Unfortunately, national economic policy isn’t the same as balancing your checkbook.

bayam on August 11, 2011 at 6:16 PM

So, you’re saying that nations don’t have to abide by financial rules and obligations that we checkbook-keepers do?

Do you realize the cost when we fail to realize those obligations and let our debt pile up and our interest compound without care?

Obviously not. Either that, or you’d love to see the U.S. Government go bankrupt.

hillbillyjim on August 11, 2011 at 6:43 PM

He’s right, you know. Virtually everyone knows what needs to be done: Raise spending in the short term to stimulate the economy. Cut spending (including entitlements) and raise taxes in the long term to control government debt.

No one’s courageous enough to do it.

crr6 on August 11, 2011 at 5:38 PM

Oh, and Japan tried spending their way out 7 times in 10 years, and got stagnation and debt.

Roosevelt did it repeatedly until 1937, when his treasury secretary concluded the spending was making it worse.

Nobody has ever government spent their way out of recession, except in THEORY in a book by a man that was supposedly smart.

Plus, any “stimulus spending”, oh, sorry “Investment” by this administration won’t actually create anything lasting like WWII jeep factories did. It will all go to keeping public union employees working in states and municipalities to hide their financial troubles and buy votes.

PastorJon on August 11, 2011 at 6:44 PM

Do you realize the cost when we fail to realize those obligations and let our debt pile up and our interest compound without care?

Obviously not. Either that, or you’d love to see the U.S. Government go bankrupt.

hillbillyjim on August 11, 2011 at 6:43 PM

All these fools see is the short term and barely that. To think that make work jobs are a success is just silliness.
Our kids will pay more than we but bayam doesn’t care. It is clear she does not value the dollar and I suspect has no children.

CW on August 11, 2011 at 6:46 PM

The Whiner in Chief complains about responsibility?

Fret not DOTUS……..your term ends soon.

President Perry will solve all problems in DC.

PappyD61 on August 11, 2011 at 6:46 PM

The One interprets that the way he does says more about him than it does about them

Exactly. Barry truly sucks as a president and as a man. He is basically like “t!ts on a table,” that is, to say, worthless.

WarEagle01 on August 11, 2011 at 6:47 PM

Goddamn, between bayam and cur666, the BS is too thick for me.

I’m taking a break. Come back with a proper response to my earlier post, Brainiac, (AYNWYA), when you’ve had a chance to digest it with proper care.

hillbillyjim on August 11, 2011 at 6:47 PM

Where do you think the US can so easily cut hundreds of billions in annual spending?

bayam

Getting rid of the $900 billion dollar failed stimulus that is the new baseline would be one way. Just like that, the budget deficit can be cut in half.

xblade on August 11, 2011 at 6:48 PM

“There is one in the Oval Office right now who would rather see America lose than see his opponents win.”

Would it be too mucking fuch to ask that a Republican besides Michele Bachmann, Sarah Palin, or Rush Limbaugh have the testicles to respond to this petulant man-child with the kind of stinging retort I’ve suggested above?

IronDioPriest on August 11, 2011 at 6:50 PM

It will all go to keeping public union employees working in states and municipalities to hide their financial troubles and buy votes.

PastorJon on August 11, 2011 at 6:44 PM

That’s all it was ever intended to do.

This administration has robbed us blind and made their special interest owners filthy rich. Planned Parenthood, Unions, Various victimhood groups, lawyers and environmental terrorists.

Oh … money has gone over to the Middle East in boatloads as well. Obama always had a soft spot in his Marxist heart for fellow totalitarians.

darwin on August 11, 2011 at 6:50 PM

It is interesting Zero is momentarily avoiding the race card. The looting in Britain must not be playing too well with the focus groups.

viking01 on August 11, 2011 at 6:51 PM

or Wall Street economists.

bayam on August 11, 2011 at 6:31 PM

I believe those are the same economists that Reuters polls for their “unexpected” rise in claims, unemployment, etc. and their “unexpected” drops in consumer confidence, etc.

My uncle says “If they don’t have a PhD, I won’t listen to them.” Some PhD’s are as smart as Post Hole Diggers. You can pick and choose opinion wherever you want, but the facts and history destory you.

Try to spend your way out, doesn’t happen. Lower taxes, relax regulation, balance the budget, every time those things HAVE STIMULATED THE ECONOMY.

Economists give an opinion based on their schooling and their studying. If they studied at a hard left school, it’s very hard for real world truth to penetrate their biases. You should think about that with your own biases. Just because Harvard Business School teaches that Keynesian economics works, doesn’t mean it ever has.

Why are companies hoarding their money? Uncertainty about the cost of health care for their employees, uncertainty that some new oppressive regulation isn’t in the works, uncertainty that their executives taxes aren’t going up drastically. While he stands there and talks about the pittance that is the payroll tax holiday, his EPA and NLRB and other appointed people are introducing new ways to crush business.

That’s why we are still in recession. And if HIS PARTY doesn’t actively participate in reforming Medicare and Social Security before they crush us, we will be worse off than Greece.

PastorJon on August 11, 2011 at 6:52 PM

This crap is straight out of a Krugman column. We recognize it. We reject it. If you look it up, you will find that Democrats controlled Congress and the White House in 1937.

The road to hell is paved with Keynesian economics. Just see what happens in Europe in the next week.

Emperor Norton on August 11, 2011 at 6:36 PM

Clearly we need another major war. Seems to be the modus operandi of Democrats when their economic schemes and fraud-laden, mismanaged social tinkering pet projects fail. Wouldn’t hurt the bottom lines of many upper echelon Republicans, either.

Dr. ZhivBlago on August 11, 2011 at 6:53 PM

Tomorrow Obama will be blaming the tooth fairy for taking money from middle class parents. This guy is believable only by his cult and parasitic supporters.

rplat on August 11, 2011 at 6:53 PM

Exactly. Barry truly sucks as a president and as a man. He is basically like “t!ts on a table,” that is, to say, worthless.

WarEagle01 on August 11, 2011 at 6:47 PM

hmmmmmm….where might I purchase such a table……?

(just sayin’)

Tim_CA on August 11, 2011 at 6:53 PM

Barack Campaign Obama

Dude should really change his name. He’s a one-trick phony.

fogw on August 11, 2011 at 6:53 PM

How do you define ‘hasnt worked’? Based on Rush or based on analysis from the CBO or Wall Street economists.

bayam on August 11, 2011 at 6:31 PM

Name those economists. You never do.

And leave Geddy Lee out of this.

Del Dolemonte on August 11, 2011 at 6:54 PM

Sorry, I just can’t watch Dear Leader.

d1carter on August 11, 2011 at 6:56 PM

Oh, and speaking of facts:

State run by somebody doing what Rush and Sarah say should be done: Texas, 5% unemployment, more jobs created during this recession than all other states combined.

Name me a state trying to spend their way out of this that is actually succeeding . . .

PastorJon on August 11, 2011 at 6:57 PM

I just want a liberal to explain to me how taking more money from people creates jobs.

Secondly, since the DoD is government spending … something liberals say will save the US economy … why do they want to cut it?

darwin on August 11, 2011 at 6:58 PM

It was one big blame others speech.

He more or less said he learned his “fairness” crap in Kindergarten. It was the most accurate thing he said.

WannabeAnglican on August 11, 2011 at 6:59 PM

Bayam must have gotten a memo:

“We have nothing. Target Rush as a distraction. Repeat as needed”

hillbillyjim on August 11, 2011 at 7:00 PM

Barack Campaign Obama

Dude should really change his name. He’s a one-trick phony.

fogw on August 11, 2011 at 6:53 PM

May I also suggest:

President Downgrade

Or

Bluffy the Economy Slayer

I can’t decide.

Chip on August 11, 2011 at 7:01 PM

Crr says “virtually everyone” recognizes that we need significant entitlement cuts.

Meanwhile, the Democrat platform for 2012 is built on telling the public that the GOP wants to slash Medicare and push grandma off the cliff.

Which party is “serious” about our problems, again?

Good Solid B-Plus on August 11, 2011 at 7:01 PM

This crap is straight out of a Krugman column. We recognize it. We reject it. If you look it up, you will find that Democrats controlled Congress and the White House in 1937.

Who is ‘we’, part of the ignorant masses that knows buzzwords but very little about economics? Because I don’t think you’re speaking for Wall Street economists of the Fed.

And why are you pushing for the extension of tax cuts during a recession? If that isn’t classical Keynesian policy during a recession, I don’t know what is.

bayam on August 11, 2011 at 7:02 PM

And leave Geddy Lee out of this.

Del Dolemonte on August 11, 2011 at 6:54 PM

We have a winner!

hillbillyjim on August 11, 2011 at 7:02 PM

“We have nothing. Target Rush as a distraction. Repeat as needed”

hillbillyjim on August 11, 2011 at 7:00 PM

Poor little thing is obsessed…time to boost her meds.

Tim_CA on August 11, 2011 at 7:02 PM

I really get a charge out of this guy. Bipartisanship? Is this the guy who, talking about immigration reform decided the speech really needed to be about attacking Republicans? Is this the guy, when talking about budgets, called in the author of the Republican House budget and attempted to embarrass him?

Barack Obama believes that bipartisan agreement is you agree with him. Bipartisan agreement means he can change the terms of the agreement and not expect you to walk out.

I wonder if he will ever come out with a plan? It’s really easy to throw darts at the people with targets on their backs that did make a plan, it’s a lot harder to come up with a plan. It’s no wonder he does speeches like this at 3 in the afternoon, when no one is paying attention, it’s little more than campaign fodder not designed to actually move the ball forward. I wonder if he knows how to advance the ball towards the goal?

Vote Republican and only be called a racist one more time.

bflat879 on August 11, 2011 at 7:04 PM

bayam on August 11, 2011 at 7:02 PM

Do you think President Downgrade should resign?

Chip on August 11, 2011 at 7:04 PM

As in, we have a winner.

hillbillyjim on August 11, 2011 at 7:04 PM

State run by somebody doing what Rush and Sarah say should be done: Texas, 5% unemployment, more jobs created during this recession than all other states combined.

Name me a state trying to spend their way out of this that is actually succeeding . . .

PastorJon on August 11, 2011 at 6:57 PM

Let me ask you something- why don’t you turn to widely recognized economists on Wall Street or in the public sector for economic policy analysis? Why do you think that right wing radio hosts and politicians have a deep grasp of US economic policy?

BTW, no one has suggested state level deficit spending. Can you name a single, major balance sheet recession that was resolved without federal spending? Do you think that Richard Koo is wrong?

bayam on August 11, 2011 at 7:05 PM

Who is ‘we’, part of the ignorant masses that knows buzzwords but very little about economics? Because I don’t think you’re speaking for Wall Street economists of the Fed.

And why are you pushing for the extension of tax cuts during a recession? If that isn’t classical Keynesian policy during a recession, I don’t know what is.

bayam on August 11, 2011 at 7:02 PM

Every single bayam post: “You’re wrong…Wall St. economists….the Fed….”

Where is Geo? I’m sure we can just program a macro to replace bayam’s tired hackery.

Good Solid B-Plus on August 11, 2011 at 7:05 PM

Schadenfrelicious. Obama at -22% in Rasumussen today – the lowest numbers of his term.

If I am not mistaken, the Dems controlled all of Congress from 2006-2010; all 3 branches of government from 2008-2010 and 2/3s since Nov 2010.

I also understand that spending is up $1T since 2006.

I hear that the Senate has failed to produce a budget in 800+ days.

I do not remember Obama producing a plan during the debt ceiling stand-off.

But, I am sure that it is the fault of the Tea Party, a subset of the group that controls 1/3 of the government.

johnboy on August 11, 2011 at 7:09 PM

And why are you pushing for the extension of tax cuts during a recession? If that isn’t classical Keynesian policy during a recession, I don’t know what is.

bayam on August 11, 2011 at 7:02 PM

What tax cuts are you talking about?

darwin on August 11, 2011 at 7:10 PM

And why are you pushing for the extension of tax cuts during a recession?

No, I’m not. Obama did that, and for all the wrong reasons.

Who is ‘we’, part of the ignorant masses that knows buzzwords but very little about economics?

So, your argument is that those who don’t agree with you are stupid. Heh. It’s the typical Liberal argument. Ann Coulter pointed out in her book Slander that Liberals argue like 6-year olds. When there’s a dispute, they shout, “You’re stupid!”

Emperor Norton on August 11, 2011 at 7:12 PM

bayam on August 11, 2011 at 7:02 PM

ha

I don’t think you know how anything works

and how about Thomas sowell?

Economics isn’t neurology

you flush borrowed money down a union drain and you get nothing for it

Sonosam on August 11, 2011 at 7:12 PM

Just because Harvard Business School teaches that Keynesian economics works, doesn’t mean it ever has

.

There’s a reason why most US corporations are run by Harvard alums and not the likes of Sarah Palin or, to use your analogy, pole diggers. US corporations have one over-reaching and undeniable goal- to maximize shareholder profit. If pole diggers delivered superior results running large corporations, there’s no doubt Harvard alums would be out of work.

And it’s a funny thing how Google, Microsoft, Facebook, and other high growth companies are created and run by the best and brightest. Imagine that. No pole diggers to be found.

But when it comes to US national politics, many voters actually believe that the ‘everyday’, hardly qualified is the most qualified- someone without the talent or IQ to build a great company. China, by the way, is run primarily by engineers.

bayam on August 11, 2011 at 7:12 PM


Wall Street economists.

bayam on August 11, 2011 at 6:31 PM

Whoop! Whoop! Whoop! Whoop!

Congratulations bayam!

That the Thousandth time you’ve used that talking point without backing it up with any facts!

So champ, how do you feel reaching this milestone?

Did you have some sort of special training regimen to constantly re-use the same old tired lines day after day?

Tell the folks some of your secrets..

Chip on August 11, 2011 at 7:13 PM

This Presidency is Broken

That’s the bottom line.

Key West Reader on August 11, 2011 at 7:13 PM

“Compromise” = “Do it my way!”

Star20 on August 11, 2011 at 7:14 PM

Because I don’t think you’re speaking for Wall Street economists of the Fed

Which Wall Street economists? The five shaking their heads at Peter Schiff when he predicted the housing market bubble popping? Those five who were WRONG when Schiff was right? Because you should go look up Peter’s YouTube channel and see what an economist who has been right REPEATEDLY says, not the ones on Wall Street that said the housing market in 2006/2007 was the new normal we should all expect.

Or would those be the economists that said in the early 80s that Reagan’s tax cuts wouldn’t work only to be followed by the biggest economic expansion in our nation’s history?

And as to the Fed, they never warned us about the housing bubble, the bad things going on at Fannie/Freddie, any of that. They just plunk along throwing money and interest rates around to help us avoid the natural cycles in the economy that MUST HAPPEN.

I don’t think you realize how repeatedly pointing to unnamed people that include in the broad group your naming people who have been wrong over and over again the last decade hurts your case. “Wall Street Economists and the Fed” that couldn’t see any of this happening before it did. If somebody told you, while you’re standing in the street, that a car isn’t coming, then you got hit by a car, why do you keep listening to them?

We’re not listening to the people that were wrong, and still are wrong. We’re listening to the Peter Schiffs of this world that have a track record of being right. We’re listening to the history books that show what works and what doesn’t. We’re comparing states that do what Obama wants to keep doing to states that are doing what we are pushing and see the difference in results (Texas versus Michigan).

You go on, keep getting nailed by cars that your experts say aren’t there. We’re getting out of that street and onto ones that lead to prosperity.

PastorJon on August 11, 2011 at 7:15 PM

Bayam:

Wall Street economists have been in charge thus far.

Look where we are.

That is all.

hillbillyjim on August 11, 2011 at 7:17 PM

I don’t think some of these folks even understand how a market economy works and why.

That’s a major flaw.

hillbillyjim on August 11, 2011 at 7:18 PM

But when it comes to US national politics, many voters actually believe that the ‘everyday’, hardly qualified is the most qualified- someone without the talent or IQ to build a great company. China, by the way, is run primarily by engineers.

bayam on August 11, 2011 at 7:12 PM

I didn’t say we don’t want bright people running the country. I said being bright doesn’t make you right. Microsoft was, and arguably still is, one of the most unethical, cutthroat companies ever, so good example.

We want bright people running the country who are also paying attention to what is right and what works and don’t want to take more money from the producers to give more to the lazy.

PastorJon on August 11, 2011 at 7:19 PM

If pole diggers delivered superior results running large corporations, there’s no doubt Harvard alums would be out of work.

So, using your analogy, WHY THE FUCK DO WE HAVE A COMMUNITY ORGANIZER AS POTUS?

Answer me that.

hillbillyjim on August 11, 2011 at 7:22 PM

He has much to fear from both sides.

It’s incredibly schadenfreudig to watch him being exposed.

Schadenfreude on August 11, 2011 at 7:22 PM

It’s disgusting and vile how Liberals are constantly promoting an elitist world-view, as if only members of the Inner Party are qualified to do things, and everybody else are Proles.

Emperor Norton on August 11, 2011 at 7:22 PM

But when it comes to US national politics, many voters actually believe that the ‘everyday’, hardly qualified is the most qualified- someone without the talent or IQ to build a great company. China, by the way, is run primarily by engineers.

bayam on August 11, 2011 at 7:12 PM

Then why did you vote for a president that had zero experience with anything you talk about? Herman Cain saved Godfathers. By your definition he’s your candidate. The Koch brothers have built a great company, you would vote for one of them, right? The founder of Home Depot is very successful, but disagrees with Obama’s path.

The point is you can point to all the general groups of strawmen you want, there are others that say the opposite who are just as smart, just as successful. We’ve tried it your way a little bit under Bush and full speed ahead under Obama and things are worse and heading down. Time to change lanes.

PastorJon on August 11, 2011 at 7:23 PM

Come back to this post if you want to debate seriously, bayam.

____________hbj

hillbillyjim on August 11, 2011 at 7:30 PM

“There are some in Congress right now who would rather see their opponents lose than see America win.”

Yes.

They’re called progressives and can be found in both parties. So long as they win, they could care less what happens to the rest of the country.

I am so sick of having to listen to this petulant child’s monthly weekly daily tantrums.

SuperCool on August 11, 2011 at 7:30 PM

All you need to know.

Schadenfreude on August 11, 2011 at 7:31 PM

I would think that an RNC ad which showed clips of Obama demanding compromise, married with clips of Harry Reid saying the Republican budget was “dead in the water” and that the Senate “Will not vote for it Will not vote for it Will not vote for it” (threepeat is an actual quote, not me having a seizure) would be an effective riposte. If you can find a few choice quotes from the Wicked Witch of the West (hey, she’s from San Francisco), so much the better.

Not only does it reveal the hypocrisy in Obumble’s complaint, it also starts to associate him with Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi, two politicians with much lower personal charisma and NO national appeal.

At this point the RNC should be spending some $$$ to prepare the battlespace for 2012. Not only will it help with fundraising down the line, but it will also help to set the terms of the debate.

HTL on August 11, 2011 at 7:31 PM

And it’s a funny thing how Google, Microsoft, Facebook, and other high growth companies are created and run by the best and brightest.

bayam on August 11, 2011 at 7:12 PM

LOL. Bill Gates, Steve Jobs and Mark Zuckerberg are all college dropouts.

F-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_college_dropout_billionaires

Need another shovel?

Del Dolemonte on August 11, 2011 at 7:31 PM

“There are some in Congress right now who would rather see their opponents lose than see America win.”

I think he meant to say White House

ericire12 on August 11, 2011 at 7:33 PM

China, by the way, is run primarily by engineers.

bayam on August 11, 2011 at 7:12 PM

You’re a !@#$ing idiot.

China isn’t run by engineers, China’s run by a bunch of geezer politicos with a 2 million man army to protect them from dissent by shooting dissent on sight.

But then, I suspect you’re the sort of person who would like to see that policy make it’s way to America.

So go !@#$ yerself.

SuperCool on August 11, 2011 at 7:35 PM

But when it comes to US national politics, many voters actually believe that the ‘everyday’, hardly qualified is the most qualified- someone without the talent or IQ to build a great company. China, by the way, is run primarily by engineers.

bayam on August 11, 2011 at 7:12 PM

Then why did you vote for a president that had zero experience with anything you talk about?

PastorJon on August 11, 2011 at 7:23 PM

Good question, I’ll wager she doesn’t answer it – as is the case when anyone poses those ‘tough’ questions.

When dealing with bayam, you’ll notice that she will only respond to inquiries that let her spew her National Socialists talking points – the Wall Street economists line is always a classic.

You’ll know you’ve skewed her with particularly tough question when she threatens that you’ve somehow violated Hot Air’s TOS.

Chip on August 11, 2011 at 7:36 PM

“Frustrated” Obama rips Congress: It’s time for certain people to put country over party

Its either “You first” or “YOU LIE!”… Take your pick, PBHO

Khun Joe on August 11, 2011 at 7:39 PM

Wall Street economists have been in charge thus far.

Absolutely not, that couldn’t be further from the truth. Greenspan, Bernanke, and many others were strongly opposed to Bush’s tax cuts and a study commissioned by Paul O’Neill accurately predicted that those tax cuts would result in today’s massive deficits.

The experts saw this coming but Cheney insisted that ‘deficits don’t matter’.

Or would those be the economists that said in the early 80s that Reagan’s tax cuts wouldn’t work only to be followed by the biggest economic expansion in our nation’s history?

You don’t seem to understand that those tax cuts were matched by significant spending increases and massive deficit spending, which makes your statement not dissimilar from believing that the sun prevents rain. Then again, you seem to believe that Sarah and Rush are good sources for economic policy.

It’s no surprise that after a period of economic policy discipline in the 90′s, the US returned to a tax cut and new spending boom of debt-fueled economic growth, resulting in a massive structural deficit when the party finally came to an end, as deficit-induced growth always does. And you apparently remain unable to connect the dots.

Bush and full speed ahead under Obama and things are worse and heading down. Time to change lanes.

You mean back to the policies of Clinton and the GOP in the 90′s when the budget was balanced? Or let me guess- it’s time to ignore those idiots with educations and degrees. What does Ben Bernanke know that’s really any more useful than the knowledge of a pole digger or of Sarah Palin?

bayam on August 11, 2011 at 7:39 PM

There’s a reason why most US corporations are run by Harvard alums and not the likes of Sarah Palin or, to use your analogy, pole diggers. US corporations have one over-reaching and undeniable goal- to maximize shareholder profit. If pole diggers delivered superior results running large corporations, there’s no doubt Harvard alums would be out of work.

And it’s a funny thing how Google, Microsoft, Facebook, and other high growth companies are created and run by the best and brightest. Imagine that. No pole diggers to be found.

But when it comes to US national politics, many voters actually believe that the ‘everyday’, hardly qualified is the most qualified- someone without the talent or IQ to build a great company. China, by the way, is run primarily by engineers.

bayam on August 11, 2011 at 7:12 PM

Yeah, and if any of those Harvard geniuses failed to turn a profit for long enough, they’d be thrown out on their *** and replaced by somebody who would get results, regardless of their pedigree.

That’s the point. You are advocating that we continue to listen to the same people who got us into this mess, trusting that their superior pedigree means that they are infallible.

It’s the same with Obama. “Sure, he doesn’t get results, but he’s SMART. Trust us.”

Good Solid B-Plus on August 11, 2011 at 7:39 PM

Then why did you vote for a president that had zero experience with anything you talk about?

I supported Hillary on the Dem side, not Obama, if that’s even relevant to a discussion of whether Rush knows how to fix the US economy. Experience and intelligence matter.

bayam on August 11, 2011 at 7:41 PM

So bayam, since you want economic experts, you agree that Mitt Romney should replace Obama as president, right?

After all, he’s a Harvard grad with success in the private sector. Ideal man for the job, no?

Good Solid B-Plus on August 11, 2011 at 7:42 PM

Wall Street economists.

bayam on August 11, 2011 at 6:31 PM

Name those economists. You never do.

Del Dolemonte on August 11, 2011 at 6:54 PM

Are you going to answer that for once?

Chip on August 11, 2011 at 7:43 PM

Comedy Gold. In a campaign speech, the sitting President chastises congress and politicians for putting politics ahead of running the country.

Koa on August 11, 2011 at 7:43 PM

I supported Hillary on the Dem side, not Obama,
Experience and intelligence matter.

bayam on August 11, 2011 at 7:41 PM

Then why support either of them?

How has President Downgrade shown any intelligence?

Chip on August 11, 2011 at 7:45 PM

LOL. Bill Gates, Steve Jobs and Mark Zuckerberg are all college dropouts.

Del Dolemonte on August 11, 2011 at 7:31 PM

conspicuously absent from that wiki leaks are the Virgin Atlantic guy, Branson, and Ralph Lauren…not entirely sure, but I think Henry Ford too…

jimver on August 11, 2011 at 7:46 PM

Let me ask you something- why don’t you turn to widely recognized economists on Wall Street or in the public sector for economic policy analysis?

A: Who are you referring to, for one.

2: Because they are practically always wrong? Or off by so much they may as well be wrong.

catmman on August 11, 2011 at 7:46 PM

Crybaby In Chief

Cicero43 on August 11, 2011 at 7:47 PM

oups, the list was of billionaires I am guessing Lauren is not one…Branson is, though…

jimver on August 11, 2011 at 7:47 PM

Bayam would rather have Matt Bush batting cleanup than Albert Pujols.

Matt Bush has the pedigree, y’know. #1 pick! Who cares about results?

Good Solid B-Plus on August 11, 2011 at 7:48 PM

Wall Street economists.

bayam on August 11, 2011 at 6:31 PM

Who the &^%&^$ is a Wall Street economist? Just what the hell is that suppose to mean?

Walter E Williams
Thomas Sowell
Milton Friedman

Men that understand the synergy that results from the principles of liberty and rational economics.

Saltysam on August 11, 2011 at 7:48 PM

That’s the point. You are advocating that we continue to listen to the same people who got us into this mess, trusting that their superior pedigree means that they are infallible.

Were things so bad when the ‘experts’ were running the economy in the 1990′s? Because you seem to believe that a simple policy change will magically end this unprecedented recession and the outcome of a major asset bubble collapse.

What put this country into the abyss was a set of fringe economic policies based on the assumption that ‘deficits dont matter.’ Those policies remained in place for over 8 years. I’m not blaming Bush for the great depression, that’s not the point and it’s not accurate. When a once in a lifetime economic disaster occurs, GDP will crash, tax revenues will nosedive, and some deficit spending will occur, as has occurred in far smaller, past recessions. The same balance sheet recession would ravage the economy under any leader, and any Pres would have inherited a structural deficit of around $850 bil. There’s no easy way out, but the painful mistakes of the past decade are what present this country with the most problems- that and entitlement spending.

To assume that this country needs more of what didn’t work under Bush is sadly misguided.

bayam on August 11, 2011 at 7:49 PM

those tax cuts would result in today’s massive deficits.

Explain to me how not spending money runs up a deficit?

Or letting people keep their money causes a deficit?

catmman on August 11, 2011 at 7:49 PM

Wall Street economists.

bayam on August 11, 2011 at 6:31 PM

Name those economists. You never do.

Del Dolemonte on August 11, 2011 at 6:54 PM

Are you going to answer that for once?

Chip on August 11, 2011 at 7:51 PM

Wall Street economists.
bayam on August 11, 2011 at 6:31 PM

Name those economists. You never do.

Del Dolemonte on August 11, 2011 at 6:54 PM

Are you going to answer that for once?

Chip on August 11, 2011 at 7:51 PM

You can read the WSJ or Barrons. I don’t have time to search for links. You can use Google, it wasn’t built only for liberals.

bayam on August 11, 2011 at 7:53 PM

Even though Sarah and Rush say the stimulus was a failure, that doesn’t mean that most economists would agree with that assessment the slightest.

bayam on August 11, 2011 at 6:05 PM

BS according to who… Rush? For some reason I don’t think you read the Economist or WSJ- this sounds like right wing drivel. Economists in China and Germany aren’t as stupid as you think.

bayam on August 11, 2011 at 6:11 PM

How do you define ‘hasnt worked’? Based on Rush or based on analysis from the CBO or Wall Street economists.

bayam on August 11, 2011 at 6:31 PM

Then again, you seem to believe that Sarah and Rush are good sources for economic policy.

bayam on August 11, 2011 at 7:39 PM

I supported Hillary on the Dem side, not Obama, if that’s even relevant to a discussion of whether Rush knows how to fix the US economy. Experience and intelligence matter.

bayam on August 11, 2011 at 7:41 PM

Hey bayam….It’s me….Rush.

Boo!

Tim_CA on August 11, 2011 at 7:53 PM

To assume that this country needs more of what didn’t work under Bush is sadly misguided.

bayam on August 11, 2011 at 7:49 PM

Let’s concede your “blame Bush” meme, fine.

So we’re to assume this country needs more of what didn’t work under Bush and what isn’t working under Obama?

BTW, those tax cuts became Obama’s the minute he signed the extension given him by the Democrat controlled Congress. They may not have worked under Bush (as you state) so why didn’t our enlightened economists on the Democrat side discontinue them?

catmman on August 11, 2011 at 7:54 PM

bayam on August 11, 2011 at 7:49 PM

This isn’t the 90′s, bayam, and Obama is no Bill Clinton.

Here are the facts: Under this administration, nothing will be done on entitlements, and the only answers we’ll hear from the left flank are “Tax hikes, tax hikes, tax hikes….and more deficit spending!”

Good Solid B-Plus on August 11, 2011 at 7:54 PM

You can read the WSJ or Barrons. I don’t have time to search for links. You can use Google, it wasn’t built only for liberals.

bayam on August 11, 2011 at 7:53 PM

In other words: “No, I’m just appealing to authority because I have no other argument. Citing sources is racist.”

Good Solid B-Plus on August 11, 2011 at 7:55 PM

China, by the way, is run primarily by engineers.

bayam on August 11, 2011 at 7:12 PM

Train Engineers, right?

LOL

President of China = Hydraulic Engineer. In other words, an expert in running fluids, as in taking a Pee.

Premier = Geomechanical Engineer. This dude is an expert in studying the behavior of dirt and rocks.

Congress Chairman = Electron Tube Engineer. This means that this guy is either an expert in (A) now-obsolete vacuum tubes like they used in ancient radios, or (B) an expert in fluorescent lighting. Funny how the only place you can get vacuum tubes now for old radios and amps is from China.

Conference Chair = Electrical Motor and Appliance Design Engineer. This man is an expert in how to make Chevy Volts and Toasters.

CPC General Secretary = See “President”. Same guy.

Look, Toots, Jimmy Carter was an Engineer too. He’s now the Second-Worst President in American History.

Keep Shovelin’

Del Dolemonte on August 11, 2011 at 7:56 PM

bayam on August 11, 2011 at 7:53 PM

No ones asking for links. You read those periodicals so much, just throw out some names. You’ve plenty of time for all your commenting, just a few names?

Someone above threw out Sowell, Friedman and Williams for our side. No Googling needed.

catmman on August 11, 2011 at 7:57 PM

I don’t have time to search for links.

bayam on August 11, 2011 at 7:53 PM

ROFLMAO!

Lame.

LAAAAAAAAAmmme.

Saltysam on August 11, 2011 at 7:57 PM

Here are the facts: Under this administration, nothing will be done on entitlements

You left out the fact that Obama and Boehner had a ‘grand bargain’ that would have cut entitlements. There’s no reason to assume that no deal can be reached, although there are certainly those on the Left who demand no social security cuts and only tax hikes, and those on the right who call for no tax hikes. If the importance of compromise in a democracy isn’t clear now, it never will be.

bayam on August 11, 2011 at 7:57 PM

I have a question for Jake Tapper to ask (or whoever else will have the guts to ask it) at the next Presidential presser.

Assuming that the President is, by custom and practice, the titular head of his national party, what is it that his party is willing to do to put their country above their politics? Call it an opening bid. A sign of good faith. Whatever label you like.

Show us the way, fearless leader. Show us what you look like in front of the parade. We already know what you look like pulling up the rear with the horse-poop wagons.

IndieDogg on August 11, 2011 at 7:58 PM

Cheney

bayam on August 11, 2011 at 7:39 PM

Oh Yes, let’s bring him into this discussion too.

LOL

Del Dolemonte on August 11, 2011 at 7:58 PM

In other words: “No, I’m just appealing to authority because I have no other argument. Citing sources is racist.”

Good Solid B-Plus on August 11, 2011 at 7:55 PM

Yer wasting yer time. In bayam’s world the Messiah is all-knowing.

It’s Rush and Sarah (who oddly don’t hold office) that cause all of bammie’s (and thus America’s) problems.

Just ask hundreds of uncited “economists”.

Tim_CA on August 11, 2011 at 8:00 PM

Del Dolemonte on August 11, 2011 at 7:56 PM

Very funny, I’m beginning to pick up on your sarcasm that starts with your name.
DelMonte = fruit company based out of San Francisco

King of the fruits? Classic.

bayam on August 11, 2011 at 8:00 PM

China, by the way, is run primarily by engineers.

bayam on August 11, 2011 at 7:12 PM

This tells the fundamental dysfunction from which progressives suffer. They believe an “engineered” society is a real proposition that offers some kind of desired result.

They hate a free people.

Saltysam on August 11, 2011 at 8:02 PM

You left out the fact that Obama and Boehner had a ‘grand bargain’ that would have cut entitlements. There’s no reason to assume that no deal can be reached, although there are certainly those on the Left who demand no social security cuts and only tax hikes, and those on the right who call for no tax hikes. If the importance of compromise in a democracy isn’t clear now, it never will be.

bayam on August 11, 2011 at 7:57 PM

No, you see, there’s a very good reason to think nothing will happen” campaign season. It’s not right around the corner, it’s here already. What’s a big Dem talking point? The GOP doesn’t care about the little guy. They want to cut your Medicare and Medicaid. They want to steal your SS money. In the words of Alan Grayson, they want you to die; heck, they’ll even help out by pushing grandma off of the cliff.

The GOP is just as interested in re-election, of course, but they have a base that not just won’t riot in the face of austerity, they are demanding it. The Dems won’t alienate their base by cutting entitlements, especially not the Campaigner-in-Chief.

You keep harping on about compromise; the rest of us live in reality, where the Dem playbook eschews compromise in favor of Mediscare.

Good Solid B-Plus on August 11, 2011 at 8:02 PM

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