“Frustrated” Obama rips Congress: It’s time for certain people to put country over party

posted at 5:29 pm on August 11, 2011 by Allahpundit

An actual quote from today’s remarks: “There are some in Congress right now who would rather see their opponents lose than see America win.” To which Steve Hayes, irked by the sight of yet another straw man being torched, replies, “Who are they?” The answer, I can only assume, is congressional progressives: They’re the ones who refuse to budge on the ruinous Medicare spending that’s rocketing the country towards fiscal collapse, as doing so would forfeit their party’s big campaign issue next year. But in case The One’s referring to tea-party congressmen (as he surely is), what was amazing about the “don’t raise the ceiling” crowd during the debt debate is that they were prepared to absorb a ferocious backlash against their own party in the name of doing something significant, i.e. Cut Cap and Balance, to solve America’s debt crisis. Time and again they were told that the GOP would bear the brunt of public anger if we didn’t make a deal, but they preferred that outcome to a weak compromise because at least there’d be important reform as a result. I know Democrats cherish their belief that the right acts only out of personal pique, not principle — it’s all part of the delegitimization game — but the caucus really was trying to put country first in that debate. Their means and ends simply differ from Obama’s; the fact that The One interprets that the way he does says more about him than it does about them, but Democrats have been begging him to be “bolder,” especially in attacking the tea party, so presumably they’ll be happy today.

The two key sections in the clip below run from 5:30 to 7:15 and 11:00 to 13:00. The grand absurdity of this critique, of course, is that every move this guy has made in recent memory, from yanking troops out of Afghanistan by next year to offering a budget so timid that it received not a single vote in the Senate to deliberately refusing to offer his own deficit-reduction plan during the debt-ceiling debate, is geared towards maximizing his odds of reelection. (It’s, er, not working.) The very last person who should be lecturing others about putting the country ahead of a campaign is the Perpetual Campaigner. But he can really sell the above-the-fray crap, can’t he? Exit question: Wasn’t putting country over party actually the campaign theme of Obama’s last opponent? Wouldn’t be the first time he’s borrowed a slogan from a Republican.

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Hey, Mr. Obama. Felonius Munk has something to say to you. (CAUTION: NSFW, serious profanity, used to great effect)

hoosiermama on August 11, 2011 at 5:59 PM

No, Obamaa+ – why don’t YOU put country above your sick ideology?!

disa on August 11, 2011 at 5:59 PM

We did try a very modest stimulus bill, a third of which was made up of tax cuts. Even though it was much too small, the bill still had a positive effect on the economy.
crr6 on August 11, 2011 at 5:42 PM

Were those tax cuts, or spending though the tax code?
Oh, and the effect on the economy was negative.

Count to 10 on August 11, 2011 at 5:59 PM

I’d like to hear that right from President Trumka, and not just Trumka’s dimwit spokesman, Obama.

RBMN on August 11, 2011 at 5:36 PM

Interesting thought.

Key West Reader on August 11, 2011 at 5:59 PM

Explain how in the middle of a deep balance sheet recession the stimulus imposed an opportunity cost. You can educate most economists including the Fed.

bayam on August 11, 2011 at 5:56 PM

Actually you dimmest of the dim it is a long term opportunity cost. All you did was spread the pain around and kicked it down the road. The fact is that YOU WASTED billions of dollars. It could have been better spent. Yet now you fools want more. Fail.

CW on August 11, 2011 at 5:59 PM

it comes via a Jan. 9, 2009, report called “The Job Impact of the American Recovery and Reinvestment Plan” from Christina Romer, chairwoman of the president’s Council of Economic Advisers, and Jared Bernstein, the vice president’s top economic adviser.

E L Frederick (Sniper One) on August 11, 2011 at 5:59 PM

Did you hear him try to pass off his 56 mpg regulation executive branch power grab as a good thing?

MayBee on August 11, 2011 at 6:01 PM

it comes via a Jan. 9, 2009, report called “The Job Impact of the American Recovery and Reinvestment Plan” from Christina Romer, chairwoman of the president’s Council of Economic Advisers, and Jared Bernstein, the vice president’s top economic adviser.

E L Frederick (Sniper One) on August 11, 2011 at 5:59 PM

Ah, ok. So you admit Obama never said anything like that?

Also, could you provide the exact language from that report?

crr6 on August 11, 2011 at 6:01 PM

It’s Slushie 2.0

TexasDan on August 11, 2011 at 6:01 PM

I did. I couldn’t find any statements by Obama to that effect.

crr6 on August 11, 2011 at 5:58 PM

Geez, and you are a lawyer? Research must not be your strong point.

Link

And another.

carbon_footprint on August 11, 2011 at 6:01 PM

crr6: Is your real name debbie the downer shultz? Anyone who would believe a word you are saying is beyond stupid. Even the mentally disabled do not believe what obarry is saying, only you so what does that say about you?

jistincase on August 11, 2011 at 6:01 PM

Obama, Do as I say not as I do.

Dr Evil on August 11, 2011 at 6:01 PM

bayam on August 11, 2011 at 5:56 PM

You do realize that you are a narrow-minded simplistic fool right? You have the inability to see the long term. God no wonder we are so screwed.

CW on August 11, 2011 at 6:01 PM

I did. I couldn’t find any statements by Obama to that effect.
crr6 on August 11, 2011 at 5:58 PM

Are you being obtuse, or do you really not include statements by his spokespersons when they are sleeping for him?

Count to 10 on August 11, 2011 at 6:01 PM

I’ll be so glad when 2013 arrives and won’t have to listen to this crap from the Campaigner in Chief again.

Rather HISTORIC and UNPRECEDENTED that the president has to begin his re-election campaign 1 1/2 years before the election.

GarandFan on August 11, 2011 at 6:02 PM

Odimwit certainly could not have had Pelosi, Reid, Schumer, Wasserman, Biden, Kerry, and himself (for starters) in mind when he identified those who put party before country, did he?

The Magic 8 Ball says: Bingo!

onlineanalyst on August 11, 2011 at 6:03 PM

I did. I couldn’t find any statements by Obama to that effect.

crr6 on August 11, 2011 at 5:58 PM

Here is Christina Romer’s report written Jan 9, 2009 about the “stimulus” and affects on employment. Go to page four (I am sure you have seen that graph many times).

I am sure your excuse is that Obama did not speak these words, but this report was written to represent the position of his administration and the affect the “stimulus” would have on employment.

WashJeff on August 11, 2011 at 6:03 PM

CW,

That’s news to me. Would you mind sharing a link where Obama said that?

Thanks.

crr6 on August 11, 2011 at 5:55 PM

You seriously haven’t seen this?

Never above 8%, and back down to around 6.5% by now. Count it.

strictnein on August 11, 2011 at 6:03 PM

It’s beginning to seem more and more like I am living in an alternate Universe. Everyday Barry says or does something even more outrageous than the day before. The media is so far up his a.. that they repeat everything he says as gospel.

The stock market is on a roller coaster ride, unemployment is through the roof and Americans are being pitted against Americans.

It would have to be an alternate Universe if having only 395,000 new people apply for unemployment is good economic news.

To be honest I don’t know if this Country is going to make it till 2012….

sandee on August 11, 2011 at 6:03 PM

The very last person who should be lecturing others about putting the country ahead of a campaign is the Perpetual Campaigner.

he’s got a lot of strawmen ahead of him to burn down before he can put the country ahead of a campaign….

light ‘em up fellas./

ted c on August 11, 2011 at 6:03 PM

the bill still had a positive effect on the economy.

crr6 on August 11, 2011 at 5:42 PM

At a cost of $287,000 per job.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

IrishEi on August 11, 2011 at 5:53 PM

WORTH REPEATING…. notice the crrs and bayams say not a word. No wonder Obama won last time. The world is full of fools.

CW on August 11, 2011 at 6:03 PM

Do you want to cut defense spending back to 2000 levels? Where do you think the US can so easily cut hundreds of billions in annual spending?

bayam on August 11, 2011 at 5:55 PM

Do you want a list?

EPA
DOE (Energy and Education)
Yes, some from the DoD.
Medicare
Medicaid
Social Security

I’ll even grant you that we need to reform the tax code so more people do pay taxes. Make the bottom half of the country put up or shut up. To be ‘fair’ and all…

Just for starters. Other commenters, feel free to add.

And please enlighten me to how not cutting trillions of dollars (over time) hundreds of billions every year – BY NOT SPENDING FRICKING MONEY WE DON’T HAVE – explain to me how that won’t save us any money?

In other words, to use your logic (and Sheriff Joe’s) we need to spend money to save it? If that’s your idea of “objective economics” you can have it.

catmman on August 11, 2011 at 6:04 PM

Modest stimulus??? 800 billion is modest?
And no crr it did nothing for the economy.

angryed on August 11, 2011 at 6:04 PM

Explain how in the middle of a deep balance sheet recession the stimulus imposed an opportunity cost. You can educate most economists including the Fed.
bayam on August 11, 2011 at 5:56 PM
Actually you dimmest of the dim it is a long term opportunity cost. All you did was spread the pain around and kicked it down the road. The fact is that YOU WASTED billions of dollars. It could have been better spent. Yet now you fools want more. Fail.
CW on August 11, 2011 at 5:59 PM

It isn’t even all that long term. Every dollar spent by the government is effort that would be more effectively used elsewhere.

Count to 10 on August 11, 2011 at 6:04 PM

If crr6 is a lawyer than I am the richest man in the world. What a joke they are along with the president and all his cronies.

jistincase on August 11, 2011 at 6:05 PM

The implicit claim that those who want the most American troops in Afghanistan, and those who want them to remain there the longest, somehow are the ones who are the most for America is truly the most bass ackwards asinine thing I have ever heard.

Lon Chaney on August 11, 2011 at 6:05 PM

No, lowering the unemployment rate an estimated “0.7 to 1.8 percent” is well within the margin of error, as the pollsters say. It’s statistical noise.

Even though Sarah and Rush say the stimulus was a failure, that doesn’t mean that most economists would agree with that assessment the slightest. The US avoided a repeat of the Great Depression and actually did far less than China and Germany, given that so much of the stimulus was dedicated to tax cuts and unemployment benefits.

The CBO and economic models run by major Wall Street firms show similar results- while emphasizing that you can’t actually measure just how bad the situation could have turned with no stimulus.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=aJI_OZwQHz_U

bayam on August 11, 2011 at 6:05 PM

It would have to be an alternate Universe if having only 395,000 new people apply for unemployment is good economic news.

sandee on August 11, 2011 at 6:03 PM

Yeah, I think that got updated (quietly) to 403K.

carbon_footprint on August 11, 2011 at 6:05 PM

Federal spending increased by 40% between 2001 and 2007, largely driven by the war against terrorism.

What constitutes “largely driven”? Do you have a link that gives the exact percentage of the increase that was defense?

2007 to 2010 (when democrats ruled the roost) spending went up 25% and a good chunk of that increase (almost 70%) was entitlement spending.

So yeah….let’s cut defense and raise taxes.

Ditkaca on August 11, 2011 at 6:06 PM

Explain how in the middle of a deep balance sheet recession the stimulus imposed an opportunity cost.

The average interest rate on Federal debt is about 4%.

Emperor Norton on August 11, 2011 at 6:06 PM

There’s a link in my post. Try clicking it.

crr6 on August 11, 2011 at 5:57 PM

I did, smarty.

It’s more bullshit. The stimulus drained money from the real economy and created a temporary artificial boost, mostly in retaining state jobs that need to go to start with. It delayed the inevitable and made it more painful and costly. Simple as that.

You continue to condescend to your betters. You never fail to disappoint, sugar. You will go far.

(In the liberal, feel-good make-believe world, you’ll be queen, I’m sure. Or better yet, hat-adornment-maker to the queen of cups!! Even better.)

hillbillyjim on August 11, 2011 at 6:06 PM

the bill still had a positive effect on the economy.

crr6 on August 11, 2011 at 5:42 PM

At a cost of $287,000 per job.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

IrishEi on August 11, 2011 at 5:53 PM

CW on August 11, 2011 at 6:07 PM

And AGAIN

the bill still had a positive effect on the economy.

crr6 on August 11, 2011 at 5:42 PM

At a cost of $287,000 per job.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

IrishEi on August 11, 2011 at 5:53 PM

CW on August 11, 2011 at 6:07 PM

And taxpayers are footing this thinly veiled campaigning? Hey, I have an idea. Why not make a movie of his stirring rhetoric in order to demonstrate what an inspirational leader he is?

onlineanalyst on August 11, 2011 at 6:07 PM

“Put country over party,” he demagogued.

Knott Buyinit on August 11, 2011 at 6:07 PM

I think a lot of you guys are forgetting, Obama is a genius, and a uniter and …

/sarc

Over50 on August 11, 2011 at 6:07 PM

The US avoided a repeat of the Great Depression and

bayam on August 11, 2011 at 6:05 PM

Nice work with the talking points.

CW on August 11, 2011 at 6:08 PM

Crr6 laughably claims nobody ever said unemployment would stay below 8% with porkulus. She likes to play these games.

angryed on August 11, 2011 at 6:08 PM

In other words, to use your logic (and Sheriff Joe’s) we need to spend money to save it? If that’s your idea of “objective economics” you can have it.

catmman on August 11, 2011 at 6:04 PM

Yes, you’ve clearly done a serious evaluation of federal spending and come up with clear spending goals and a serious plan. Clearly the nonpartisan deficit commission was a waste of time.

Can you tell me why Japan witnessed higher deficits even with lower government spending during its balance sheet recession? You also seem to know more than the Fed and other countries that enacted stimulus plans.

bayam on August 11, 2011 at 6:08 PM

Translation: If you don’t do everything my way, you’re a Big Poopy-Head!

UnderstandingisPower on August 11, 2011 at 6:08 PM

Disgrace

WisCon on August 11, 2011 at 6:09 PM

Why not make a movie of his stirring rhetoric in order to demonstrate what an inspirational leader he is?

onlineanalyst on August 11, 2011 at 6:07 PM

Well Sony is making a movie about his strident, courage and proactive leadership that lead to his killing bin Laden. Oh, and it will come out in August of 2012, just in time to remind the electorate.

carbon_footprint on August 11, 2011 at 6:09 PM

Are you being obtuse, or do you really not include statements by his spokespersons when they are sleeping for him?
Count to 10 on August 11, 2011 at 6:01 PM

Auto correct replaced a mistype of “speaking” with “sleeping”. WTH?

Count to 10 on August 11, 2011 at 6:10 PM

Ah, ok. So you admit Obama never said anything like that?

Also, could you provide the exact language from that report?

crr6 on August 11, 2011 at 6:01 PM

I gotta go with crr6 on this one.

Just as Obama never said, “Change we can believe in tomorrow” all he said was “Change we can believe in.”

catmman on August 11, 2011 at 6:10 PM

Obama projected unemployment below 8 % that is a fact. Ok it did not come out of his mouth. Sheesh really? The stimulus was a failure.

CW on August 11, 2011 at 6:10 PM

You seriously haven’t seen this?

Never above 8%, and back down to around 6.5% by now. Count it.

strictnein on August 11, 2011 at 6:03 PM

Oh, you’re referring to that. A bit dishonest to say “Obama said unemployment wouldn’t go above 8%,” isn’t it? After all…
1) As you now admit, Obama himself never said such a thing.
2) The report you’re referring to says the following:

It should be understood that all of the estimates presented in this memo are subject to significant margins of error. There is the obvious uncertainty that comes from modeling a hypothetical package rather than the final legislation passed by the Congress. But, there is the more fundamental uncertainty that comes with any estimate of the effects of a program. Our estimates of economic relationships and rules of thumb are derived from historical experience and so will not apply exactly in any given episode. Furthermore, the uncertainty is surely higher than normal now because the current recession is unusual both in its fundamental causes and its severity.

3) According to the report (see p. 4) the difference between the unemployment rate sans-stimulus, and the projected unemployment rate with the stimulus was predicted to be about 1.8%. The CBO report I linked to on the previous page estimated (on the high end) that the stimulus did in fact lower the unemployment rate by 1.8% from what it would have been without the stimulus.

In other words, the report ended up being completely accurate in predicting the effect the stimulus would have on the unemployment rate.

I know it’s much easier to get your talking points from blogs and such. But it’s much more useful to, you know…read things and engage in critical thinking.

crr6 on August 11, 2011 at 6:10 PM

It’s more bullshit. The stimulus drained money from the real economy and created a temporary artificial boost, mostly in retaining state jobs that need to go to start with. It delayed the inevitable and made it more painful and costly.

BS according to who… Rush? For some reason I don’t think you read the Economist or WSJ- this sounds like right wing drivel. Economists in China and Germany aren’t as stupid as you think.

bayam on August 11, 2011 at 6:11 PM

The US avoided a repeat of the Great Depression and

bayam on August 11, 2011 at 6:05 PM

Nice work with the talking points.

CW on August 11, 2011 at 6:08 PM

Yeah, I really love these new special powers that people have where they can look ahead and see what might have happened if something wasn’t done.

carbon_footprint on August 11, 2011 at 6:11 PM

the funny thing is if he resigned tomorrow, the DOW would go up 2,000 points and unemployment would drop 1.5% in a week…

Shouldn’t HE put Country before Party?

SDarchitect on August 11, 2011 at 6:11 PM

Even though Sarah and Rush say the stimulus was a failure, that doesn’t mean that most economists would agree with that assessment the slightest.

Of course, by “most economists,” you mean Krugman.

you can’t actually measure just how bad the situation could have turned with no stimulus

If they can’t measure it, you can’t assume it did anything.

Emperor Norton on August 11, 2011 at 6:11 PM

Again the cost per job of C4C? Let us just say I don’t thing you big gov types really value money. We at least not OTHER people’s money.

CW on August 11, 2011 at 6:11 PM

Unemployment pre porkulus…7%

Unemployment post porkulus….

Is this what sucess looks like in libtardville?

angryed on August 11, 2011 at 6:12 PM

strictnein on August 11, 2011 at 6:03 PM

Yeah, but Obama himself didn’t actually, personally draw that chart, so…

But he did kill Bin Laden. Pretty much pulled the trigger himself.

catmman on August 11, 2011 at 6:12 PM

Can you tell me why Japan witnessed higher deficits even with lower government spending during its balance sheet recession? You also seem to know more than the Fed and other countries that enacted stimulus plans.
bayam on August 11, 2011 at 6:08 PM

That happens when so many people believe something that is false.

Count to 10 on August 11, 2011 at 6:12 PM

But it’s much more useful to, you know…read things and engage in critical thinking.

Oh wow.
Sea you in tea.

carbon_footprint on August 11, 2011 at 6:12 PM

given that so much of the stimulus was dedicated to tax cuts and unemployment benefits.

bayam on August 11, 2011 at 6:05 PM

Exactly what tax cuts are you talking about? Tax rates weren’t changed.

Secondly, when taxes actually are cut it doesn’t cost anything to let people keep more of their own money.

darwin on August 11, 2011 at 6:12 PM

1) As you now admit, Obama himself never said such a thing.

you’re hilarious. I bet you used that same line with the Bush admin.

yeh right

CW on August 11, 2011 at 6:13 PM

It’s time for a certain Affirmative-Action parasite president to put nation over vacation.

viking01 on August 11, 2011 at 6:13 PM

If you spend a trillion dollars to keep a few jobs for a few months, then lose a few more jobs than you kept, then gain more people needing work, what have you gained besides a trillion dollar debt and more folks on unemployment benefits?

hillbillyjim on August 11, 2011 at 6:13 PM

Obama did not keep us out of a depression. He has kept us out of a recovery.

Lon Chaney on August 11, 2011 at 6:13 PM

2011 revenue: 2.17 trillion

2011 entitlement spending: 2.17 trillion

Total spending: 3.8 trillion

deficit: 1.6 trillion

Taxes are not the problem.

darwin on August 11, 2011 at 6:14 PM

The US avoided a repeat of the Great Depression

Until now.

Emperor Norton on August 11, 2011 at 6:14 PM

Quick bayam and rr6 who will win the super bowl? You guys are so good at predicing the future, let’s make some money.

angryed on August 11, 2011 at 6:15 PM

and raise taxes in the long term to control government debt.

crr6 on August 11, 2011 at 5:38 PM
That has to be about the stupidest comment I have ever read in my entire life and then some.

Raise taxes to control debt??????

parke on August 11, 2011 at 5:47 PM

It’s because they can’t think, only repeat. When you think of libs/dems/progs just substitute the word teenager. It works everytime I promise.

Tim Zank on August 11, 2011 at 6:15 PM

I can’t listen to 24 minutes of that voice.

JellyToast on August 11, 2011 at 6:15 PM

If you spend a trillion dollars to keep a few jobs for a few months, then lose a few more jobs than you kept, then gain more people needing work, what have you gained besides a trillion dollar debt and more folks on unemployment benefits?

hillbillyjim on August 11, 2011 at 6:13 PM

That’s what people were asking in past balance sheet recessions, including those in Japan and even back in 1937 in the US. In both cases, as well as others, the ‘common sense’ approach turned out to be flawed. Unfortunately, national economic policy isn’t the same as balancing your checkbook.

bayam on August 11, 2011 at 6:16 PM

The libs sure do have low expectations and standards. NO WONDER we are screwed.

CW on August 11, 2011 at 6:16 PM

Were those tax cuts, or spending though the tax code?
Oh, and the effect on the economy was negative.
Count to 10 on August 11, 2011 at 5:59 PM

I think he’s referring to O’s “making work pay” tax cut which gave “95%” of taxpayers a whopping $800 a year in additional income (woo hoo! Candy money!) but cost billions. Here’s the W.H. page on taxes where they say:

Progress

The Tax Relief, Unemployment Insurance Reauthorization, and Job Creation Act of 2010 provides vital tax relief and investments in our workers that will create jobs and accelerate economic growth*.

It’s worked like a charm!/ They also make the ludicrous claim regarding ARRA that “About 1 Million jobs were created or saved by these tax cuts alone”.

*You’ll have to ask Crr6 if it’s okay to claim that Obama said this or not.

Buy Danish on August 11, 2011 at 6:16 PM

Just freaking google it…

E L Frederick (Sniper One) on August 11, 2011 at 5:55 PM

I did. I couldn’t find any statements by Obama to that effect.

crr6 on August 11, 2011 at 5:58 PM

Geez, don’t they teach you Google search skills in “law school”? I found these cites in 2 minutes. Keywords: “Obama 8% uneployment quote”. Apparently it was two of his advisors who said it, 10 days before he took office. They both of course went to work for the Regime.

TIME Magazine:

The $787 billion stimulus plan is turning out to be far less stimulating than its architects expected.

Back in early January, when Barack O’bama was still President-elect, two of his chief economic advisers — leading proponents of a stimulus bill — predicted that the passage of a large economic-aid package would boost the economy and keep the unemployment rate below 8%. It hasn’t quite worked out that way. Last month, the jobless rate in the U.S. hit 9.5%, the highest level it has reached since 1983.

factcheck.org picks up the story

White House officials have a simple explanation for all this. They say President George Bush left them a worse mess than they realized when Romer and Bernstein came up with their predictions.

And Barney mentioned it:

Rep. Barney Frank (D-Mass.), the chairman of the House Financial Services Committee, called into question the wisdom of projections issued by the Obama administration during the congressional fight over the stimulus bill that argued it would prevent higher levels of joblessness.

“President O’bama, whom I greatly admire … when the economic recovery bill — we’re supposed to call it the ‘recovery bill,’ not the ‘stimulus’ bill; that’s what the focus groups tell us — he predicted or his aides predicted at the time that if it passed, unemployment would get under 8 percent,” Frank said Tuesday evening during an appearance on the Fox Business Network. “That was a dumb thing to do.”

The administration famously released a chart during the fight over its signature $787 billion American Recovery and Reinvestment Act (ARRA) showing that, if that package were enacted, unemployment would not exceed 8 percent. The projection, authored by Council of Economic Advisers (CEA) Chairwoman Christina Romer, argued that without the stimulus, unemployment would reach a high of 9 percent in the third quarter of 2010.

Are you going to doubt the word of the Distinguished Democrat Representative from Massachusetts?

Del Dolemonte on August 11, 2011 at 6:17 PM

Modest stimulus??? 800 billion is modest?
And no crr it did nothing for the economy.

angryed on August 11, 2011 at 6:04 PM

It only served to enrich the Unions.

Key West Reader on August 11, 2011 at 6:17 PM

Nobody but the most leftwing, cross eyed moonbats are listening to this clown anymore. If BO’s mouth is open, he is lying. History books are going to crucify this asshole.

David in ATL on August 11, 2011 at 6:17 PM

While the cost per job number may be disputed even Obama’s own economist admitted it was over 90,000 per job. If he admits that you know the number has to be at least 150k per job. What did we get? MCJOBS. Thanks a friggin lot President Obama.

CW on August 11, 2011 at 6:18 PM

I can’t listen to 24 minutes of that voice.

JellyToast on August 11, 2011 at 6:15 PM

Like fingernails on a chalkboard
Like chewing paper
Like being stuck in a room with limburger cheese….
…. and no way out.

Key West Reader on August 11, 2011 at 6:18 PM

BS according to who… Rush? For some reason I don’t think you read the Economist or WSJ- this sounds like right wing drivel. Economists in China and Germany aren’t as stupid as you think.

bayam on August 11, 2011 at 6:11 PM

According to me, myself, and I, who fortunately were all three born wit common damn sense.

What the eff do economists in China and Germany have to do with a wasteful American stimulus that did nothing but put us in more debt?

hillbillyjim on August 11, 2011 at 6:18 PM

bayam on August 11, 2011 at 6:08 PM

I never claimed anything. You asked me what I would do and I offered suggestions.

I will also say that we wouldn’t even be debating this if the stimulus had worked as advertised. If any of the government spending had done a damn thing – not just Porkulus, but all the rest of it.

So I would say, that even as crr6 says there is a slight improvement, it wasn’t worth the cost had the money been spent like ti should have or had stronger measure to reign in spending had occurred.

Look at the performance of the entire economy since February 2009. It sucks. But your right, let’s do more of the same crap that hasn’t worked. Because this time is will so super-duper work you don’t even know!

catmman on August 11, 2011 at 6:19 PM

Do you really think we want to listen to 24 minutes of dick dumbo spew more of his intolerable crap? Our country is past crisis stage and he is still president? Heaven help us, how about a prayer Allah!!??

wepeople on August 11, 2011 at 6:19 PM

Never thought in my wildest dreams we would have a president that had to be told to grow up and owe up to your many mistakes.

ohiobabe on August 11, 2011 at 6:19 PM

Name one job that was created by the stimulus that isn’t a government job.

One.

hillbillyjim on August 11, 2011 at 6:19 PM

*You’ll have to ask Crr6 if it’s okay to claim that Obama said this or not.

Buy Danish on August 11, 2011 at 6:16 P

Heh.

Crr is just playing silly games. Of course when someone said Obama promised this or said that it can mean he himself or his administration. Crr that is really lame.

CW on August 11, 2011 at 6:19 PM

Re stimulus, we should not be surprised that little Bammie irrationally clings to Keynesianism, this is a man that has spent his entire life immersed in another failed theory from the 1890′s. It’s all he has, and he can’t change; he’s too old and too set in his ways. To admit the failure of Marxism/communism/progressivism would kill him. Keynes is just the cherry on top.

It’s all he has. There’s nothing else inside him.

slickwillie2001 on August 11, 2011 at 6:20 PM

A big fraud. Grew up smoking weed and body surfing with his white boy stoner friends and being raised by his white guilt grandparents. But he calls himself “black”. Just look at his jump shot. He would have been laughed off the court in the “hood”.

Hummer53 on August 11, 2011 at 6:21 PM

Are you going to doubt the word of the Distinguished Democrat Representative from Massachusetts?

Del Dolemonte on August 11, 2011 at 6:17 PM

Ouch.

CW on August 11, 2011 at 6:21 PM

In a way I like seeing crr and bayam get more and more delusional. Just shows they have nothing left. Nobody but the extreme left stll believes porkulus did anything positive. You are witnessing the final act of desperation. Kind of fun to watch in a pathetic way.

angryed on August 11, 2011 at 6:21 PM

Name one job that was created by the stimulus that isn’t a government job.

One.

hillbillyjim on August 11, 2011 at 6:19 PM

Don’t offer up highway and bridge bullshit that was going to be done anyway, either. That is worse that a strawman; it is a paper-straw poopyhead.

hillbillyjim on August 11, 2011 at 6:22 PM

The US avoided a repeat of the Great Depression and

bayam on August 11, 2011 at 6:05 PM

Nice work with the talking points.

CW on August 11, 2011 at 6:08 PM

Yeah, I really love these new special powers that people have where they can look ahead and see what might have happened if something wasn’t done.

carbon_footprint on August 11, 2011 at 6:11 PM

Hey thanks. I have those special powers.

The truth is the US wasted an opportunity to avoid a repeat of the Great Depression. We are closer to repeating the Keynsian catastrophe again. Knuckleheads refuse to understand that Keynsian economics combined with a pandemic of national socialist fervor depressed the world into the most devastating war the world has ever seen.

Saltysam on August 11, 2011 at 6:23 PM

HillBilly Oh I believe it bought some private sector jobs. I have seen many roads around here being redone with that money. These roads were still going to be fine for at least 2-3 years but they spent the money anyway. Funny idiots like BAYAM and CRR don’t get this folly and the true costs. These fools don’t value money . I suspect they are mooches. These types have no problem spending others’ money.

CW on August 11, 2011 at 6:24 PM

Summary of the part I watched:

“Some in Congress refuse to agree with me, so we can’t get anything done.”

Basically his whole speech was that we have no jobs being created because Congress won’t just say “yes, sir!” to everything he asks for. Disagreement is the villain.

PastorJon on August 11, 2011 at 6:24 PM

President OblameO, running out of things to blame. Hey I got it, try something original, blame yourself and be right.

search any search engine with the words “Obama blames” see what you think our cliche little man-child has new for you …

Didn’t OblameO sign the debt ceiling bill, in private?

tarpon on August 11, 2011 at 6:25 PM

Don’t offer up highway and bridge bullshit that was going to be done anyway, either. That is worse that a strawman; it is a paper-straw poopyhead.

hillbillyjim on August 11, 2011 at 6:22 PM

Heh. Yeah it was going to be done 2-3 years in the future.
It is like buying tires with 50 percent tread still left. I wonder if the bayams do that with their own vehicles. hmmm.

CW on August 11, 2011 at 6:25 PM

The GOP can compromise: On spending cuts. That is still compromise. So quit with your narrow definitions. We all know you lefties want to define compromise your way then claim the right won’t compromise.

CW on August 11, 2011 at 6:27 PM

CW on August 11, 2011 at 6:25 PM

SHOVEL-READY, BABY!

This kind of thinking needs to be shoveled into the past, with all of the other Marxist-Leninist BS that keeps spewing from the left — yet it keeps spewing. Witness our trolls here…

hillbillyjim on August 11, 2011 at 6:28 PM

Borrowing $787,000,000 from the Chinese at 4% interest, and paying 2 1/2 years’ worth of interest (10%) just to put a bunch of uneducated, unemployable goons to work temporarily at government jobs was a great misallocation of capital, for starters.

And the only clear result of this folly was that the US credit rating was downgraded by S&P to AA+, the same level as New Zealand and Belgium. S&P could always lower us another notch, if they feel like it. Or Moody’s may go next.

Emperor Norton on August 11, 2011 at 6:30 PM

When the Obama administration releases a report on the Friday before a long weekend, it’s clearly not trying to draw attention to the report’s contents. Sure enough, the “Seventh Quarterly Report” on the economic impact of the “stimulus,” released on Friday, July 1, provides further evidence that President Obama’s economic “stimulus” did very little, if anything, to stimulate the economy, and a whole lot to stimulate the debt.
obama walks alone

The report was written by the White House’s Council of Economic Advisors, a group of three economists who were all handpicked by Obama, and it chronicles the alleged success of the “stimulus” in adding or saving jobs. The council reports that, using “mainstream estimates of economic multipliers for the effects of fiscal stimulus” (which it describes as a “natural way to estimate the effects of” the legislation), the “stimulus” has added or saved just under 2.4 million jobs — whether private or public — at a cost (to date) of $666 billion. That’s a cost to taxpayers of $278,000 per job.

In other words, the government could simply have cut a $100,000 check to everyone whose employment was allegedly made possible by the “stimulus,” and taxpayers would have come out $427 billion ahead.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/obama-s-economists-stimulus-has-cost-278000-job_576014.html

Nice work Obama. Crr you have a strange definition of success. Your success is downright scary.

CW on August 11, 2011 at 6:30 PM

Look at the performance of the entire economy since February 2009. It sucks. But your right, let’s do more of the same crap that hasn’t worked.

How do you define ‘hasnt worked’? Based on Rush or based on analysis from the CBO or Wall Street economists. Because in 1937 those who said lets end certain policies because those policies ‘didnt work’ ended up learning the hard way what happens when you cut public spending at a time when the private sector is focused on repairing its balance sheets…

bayam on August 11, 2011 at 6:31 PM

Oh and gotta love the green economy. A nearby car dealer put up a single wind turbine. His cost was about 300 k for the 700 k turbine. Guess who paid the rest?

AGAIN far too many people do not value money.

CW on August 11, 2011 at 6:32 PM

Name one job that was created by the stimulus that isn’t a government job.

One.

hillbillyjim on August 11, 2011 at 6:19 PM

Bankruptcy lawyer.

Saltysam on August 11, 2011 at 6:33 PM

When you think of libs/dems/progs just substitute the word teenager. It works everytime I promise.

Tim Zank on August 11, 2011 at 6:15 PM

You have to forgive crr6, it is a teenager and is still being indoctrinated in the ways of the Dark Side of the Force.

Sporty1946 on August 11, 2011 at 6:34 PM

Because in 1937 those who said lets end certain policies because those policies ‘didnt work’ ended up learning the hard way what happens when you cut public spending at a time when the private sector is focused on repairing its balance sheets…

bayam on August 11, 2011 at 6:31 PM

Go snuggle up with the ghost of FDR while we all watch our standard of living drop into the sewer.

Fool.

hillbillyjim on August 11, 2011 at 6:34 PM

Ah, if only he could have shelved the spending… still we nearly got to the level of unemployed that we would have had if he didn’t do that… in JAN 2011. But the graph really says it all.

As my Uncle Joe said: ‘Figures don’t lie, but liars sure can figure.’

ajacksonian on August 11, 2011 at 6:34 PM

Based on Rush

bayam on August 11, 2011 at 6:31 PM

You really do like your talking points.

You are a very simple person. Funny how you ignore the reality of what this has really cost us and what it really means for the future. Dimwit as noted above

could simply have cut a $100,000 check to everyone whose employment was allegedly made possible by the “stimulus,” and taxpayers would have come out $427 billion ahead.

Your inability to grasp the real damage here is just incredible.

CW on August 11, 2011 at 6:35 PM

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