CNN: Perry enters race in virtual tie with Romney, Bachmann fades

posted at 10:05 am on August 11, 2011 by Ed Morrissey

Texas Governor Rick Perry will upend the Republican presidential primary with his entry this weekend, CNN’s latest national poll shows.  He starts off in a virtual tie with Mitt Romney, 17/15, with his nearest competitors at 12%.  Perhaps most surprisingly, Michele Bachmann isn’t among them — and her support gets cut almost in half with Perry’s candidacy:

According to a CNN/ORC International poll, 15 percent of Republicans and independents who lean towards the GOP pick Perry as their first choice for their party’s nomination, just two points behind former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, who’s making his second bid for the White House. Romney’s two point margin over Perry is within the survey’s sampling error.

The poll’s Thursday release comes two days before Perry gives a speech at a major conservative gathering in South Carolina where his staff has indicated he will make his intentions for a presidential run clear. Later in the day Perry travels to New Hampshire to meet with GOP lawmakers, activists, and voters. Perry’s travels Saturday come as the rest of the political spotlight will be shining on Iowa, for a crucial presidential straw poll in Ames. Perry heads to Iowa Sunday to speak at a Republican party gathering, which means he will visit three of the crucial early voting primary and caucus states this weekend.

The survey indicates that former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani, former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, and Rep. Ron Paul of Texas, who is making his third bid for the White House, are at 12 percent apiece. While both Giuliani, who ran for the presidency four years ago, and Palin, the Republican vice presidential nominee in 2008, have flirted with bids, neither has taken concrete steps towards launching a campaign.

Three weeks ago, Perry scored 14% but Giuliani, Palin, and Bachmann all scored 13% or 12%.  Now Bachmann has dropped to 7%, a fall of five points and the biggest decline in the field for the period.  Ron Paul has picked up four points to surpass her and join Giuliani and Palin in a three-way tie for third place.

Bachmann isn’t the only candidate trending downward, but the rest are in the second tier.  Herman Cain dropped two points to 4%, while Tim Pawlenty dropped one to come in at 2%.  Both of these candidates need breakout performances in Iowa, which was well known before this week.  If CNN’s series is not an outlier, Bachmann may need one as well, now that Perry has come closer to tossing his hat in the ring.  She has been wowing crowds in Iowa this week in advance of the debate and straw poll, so she is doing all she can on the ground, but that may not be enough — at least not this week.

Time Magazine’s Mark Halperin interviewed Perry this week about his plans:

A highlight from the transcript:

Q: You’ve talked about how all of the social issues are important and this election is going to be about what the voters care most about: economy and jobs. Is it your hope, if you become a candidate, that even voters who disagree with you on social issues will find your record and argument on jobs so compelling that they vote for you even though they did disagree with you?

A: Well, I’m pretty sure there has never been a candidate [where] all the people agree with his or her positions on the issues. And there are single-issue voters, and I understand that. I respect that. I’ve run three times in Texas and I would suggest to you, Texas is somewhat of a microcosm of the rest of the country, particularly in this first decade of the 21st century. We are very, very cosmopolitan, if you will, very urban, but we have our rural areas. We have an incredible diversity of people [who] live in this state. This is not the Texas of my father. It is a very diverse state. Running for the governorship of the state of Texas, I recognized all the diversity of thought.
So, what’s the most important thing that’s facing this country? It’s getting this economy back. I am a pro-business governor. I will be a pro-business President if this does, in fact, ensue and I’m blessed to be elected President of the United States—unabashedly [so] because the fact of the matter is, there’s nothing more important than having an environment created by government that allows for the private sector to risk its capital to know that they have a good chance of having a return on the investment. Because at that particular point in time, the men and women who are out of work today can be back employed. They can take care of their family. They can do the things they desire in their lives. And without that strong economy, America can’t be strong militarily. We can’t have, frankly a presence in the world that we need to have. It all goes back to having an economy that people are comfortable with—they can risk their capital and they’ll have a return on the investment. We don’t have that today.

Q: There are people who’ve looked up—even though you’re not yet a candidate—your record and your endorsement of Mayor Giuliani in the last campaign, some of the positions you’ve taken on immigration, etcetera, and they say Rick Perry is not actually as conservative as he says. What do you say to those people?

A: Well, you know, I stand on my record. I thought Mayor Giuliani did a wonderful job of managing a city. He was very strong militarily. He was as strong on crime as any big city Mayor has ever been. He and I were 180 degrees on social issues, but he would put strict constructionists on the Supreme Court, which dealt with those social issues. I happen to be comfortable that I was making the right decisions and that as President, when it comes to those social issues, it’s very important to have that strict constructionist view of who you put on the Supreme Court. Because they’d look at the constitution and say, you know what, that issue dealing with abortion is not in the constitution. We will put it back to the states. Now if the states want to pass an amendment and three quarters of the states want to pass an amendment to make this be a change of our United States constitution, then just follow that process. And I’m a big believer that that’s how our country should work.

Q: So if you got in, would you be the most conservative candidate in the race? Or as conservative as everybody else?

A: Yeah I don’t think there’s any doubt about that. But again, we go back to what’s the most important issue here? I mean if somebody wants to go back and find, oh here’s a little spot right here—you know, I was a democrat at one time in my life. I was 25 years old before I think I ever met a person who would admit being a Republican. So the key is, I’ve got a record. And that record, particularly when it comes to the most important issues in this campaign, which is creating the climate of America that gives incentives to job creators to risk their capital and create jobs for our citizens, I will put that up against anybody who’s running and particularly against this President we have today, whose jobs record is abysmal.

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catmman on August 11, 2011 at 12:59 PM

“For many” vs. My personal issues with his decision.
read slower

Amadeus on August 11, 2011 at 1:02 PM

And Reagan gave amnesty to tens of millions of illegals.

Nobody’s perfect. Mistakes are made.

catmman on August 11, 2011 at 1:02 PM

Agreed, so you dont want me to bring it up in a Perry thread?

Amadeus on August 11, 2011 at 1:03 PM

cozmo on August 11, 2011 at 1:01 PM

I’m really not opposed to him, but if think his position on this will not be an issue in the VERY near future then your crazy. He has to answer for his actions good and bad.

Amadeus on August 11, 2011 at 1:05 PM

Amadeus on August 11, 2011 at 1:01 PM

Excellent. Thank you. Are we now at risk of becoming BFF?

a capella on August 11, 2011 at 1:06 PM

catmman on August 11, 2011 at 1:02 PM

Not “tens of millions”. There are tens of millions now but not 25 years ago. Numbers matter.

Really Right on August 11, 2011 at 1:07 PM

A President Perry will cut off the tentacles of the EPA. Or just kill the beast. I’m good with that. Oh, and that ring he wears - it’s a meaningful symbol of Aggie honor for Texas A & M grads.

redwhiteblue on August 11, 2011 at 1:08 PM

Amadeus on August 11, 2011 at 1:03 PM

But you aren’t simply “bringing it up”.

You’re demagoguing it.

catmman on August 11, 2011 at 1:11 PM

You’re demagoguing it.

catmman on August 11, 2011 at 1:11 PM

ok, but when its front and center in all the papers, WE will need a better defense than ya’ll have made today.

Amadeus on August 11, 2011 at 1:12 PM

I’m really not opposed to him, but if think his position on this will not be an issue in the VERY near future then your crazy. He has to answer for his actions good and bad.

Amadeus on August 11, 2011 at 1:05 PM

Crazy, huh, find where I wrote that this wouldn’t be an issue and you may gain back half a point for all of your insults. Its going to be tough because I am not a Perry fan, and you would only be regaining half a point anyway. So you can just let it slide and stick with your preconceived notions. Wrong as they are.

Even Perry has taken this on. Its the folks that don’t like him that ignore his answers.

On the upside, in the headlines is a new new anti-Perry thread where your arguments may get more traction. Guess what, it is a recent and relevant criticism of Perry.

cozmo on August 11, 2011 at 1:13 PM

catmman on August 11, 2011 at 1:02 PM

Not “tens of millions”. There are tens of millions now but not 25 years ago. Numbers matter.

Really Right on August 11, 2011 at 1:07 PM

I stand corrected. The number was 4 million. The point is the same.

Thanks for the heads up. Should have looked it up to begin with. :)

catmman on August 11, 2011 at 1:13 PM

One of the things that bothers me about the immigration debate is those of us that want to stop illegal immigration are painted by the left as being anti immigration as if it is all the same. They also use the straw man argument that we advocate rounding 11 or 12 million illegals and mass deport them. Generally speaking, none of these accusations are true…generally speaking, that is. Some of the sites that grade candidates’ immigration stance linked from this thread are definitely anti-immigrant. I also get that feeling from some of the commenters and even a few that seem to believe national illegal sweeps should be a constant event until we catch ‘em all. Perry might not be your cup of immigration tea, but he’s not an “open borders” “amnesty” guy, and at this particular time, the economy should be your focus. If not, vote Obama, he’s already running the illegals back to Mexico by giving us double Mexico’s unemployment rate.

cartooner on August 11, 2011 at 1:15 PM

Amadeus on August 11, 2011 at 1:12 PM

A better defence than what? That Perry tried to mandate it, got called on it and backed down and later amended the ‘mandate’ to not mandatory?

Or debunking the notion he’s some sort of dictatorial fascist by attempting to make the HPV mandate an issue but not mentioning that the State mandates close to a dozen other vaccines for kids every year? Vaccines that are actually mandated – with no ‘opt-out’?

You’re right. His negatives need to be brought out. On this particular issue however, they have been and have been answered or otherwise debunked.

Demagoguing the issue isn’t making you any converts.

catmman on August 11, 2011 at 1:20 PM

cartooner on August 11, 2011 at 1:15 PM

The thing that bothers me is that I know some of the people affected. Some of them only find out they are illegal is when they apply for a job, or to a school.

cozmo on August 11, 2011 at 1:20 PM

TEXAS USED CAR SALESMAN Deja Vu on the GOP!!!

Great choices (per CNN) we have:

Romney, Progressive Bigger Gov shill.

Perry, Didn’t hesitate to back Trans-Texas Corridor and HPV vaccine on young girls in state and an Open Borders lover.

What could go wrong?

PappyD61 on August 11, 2011 at 1:21 PM

That Perry tried to mandate it, got called on it and backed down and later amended the ‘mandate’ to not mandatory?
Demagoguing the issue isn’t making you any converts.

catmman on August 11, 2011 at 1:20 PM

I really dont know what your bitching about. You have made my point. With the exception that it took months of fighting and threats of lawsuit before he backed down.

Amadeus on August 11, 2011 at 1:26 PM

Rick Perry’s not a true conservative

OmahaConservative on August 11, 2011 at 1:18 PM

Who is, pray tell?

cartooner on August 11, 2011 at 1:31 PM

Who is, pray tell?

cartooner on August 11, 2011 at 1:31 PM

That was a link to the headline thread…

OmahaConservative on August 11, 2011 at 1:32 PM

The thing that bothers me is that I know some of the people affected. Some of them only find out they are illegal is when they apply for a job, or to a school.

cozmo on August 11, 2011 at 1:20 PM

what? how is that even possible? you mean their parents don’t tell them that they came into the country illegally and they find out only later on when they try to get into the job market or high education system?…but then that would apply only to kids born abroad (Mexico or others) and brought into the country by illegal immigrant parents…the ones born here are automatic i.

jimver on August 11, 2011 at 1:32 PM

automatic citizens that is…

jimver on August 11, 2011 at 1:34 PM

Christie…Cain…Bachmann…Perry – Flavors of the Month

Palin – Nest President

miConsevative on August 11, 2011 at 1:36 PM

Crazy, huh, find where I wrote that this wouldn’t be an issue and you may gain back half a point for all of your insults. Its going to be tough because I am not a Perry fan, and you would only be regaining half a point anyway. So you can just let it slide and stick with your preconceived notions. Wrong as they are.

Even Perry has taken this on. Its the folks that don’t like him that ignore his answers.

On the upside, in the headlines is a new new anti-Perry thread where your arguments may get more traction. Guess what, it is a recent and relevant criticism of Perry.

cozmo on August 11, 2011 at 1:13 PM

You have me mistaken, I’m not looking for your approval.
However, I gave Perry his props only a few minutes ago:

Ok, Perry was awesome in creating JOBS in texas. He deserves much credit for getting government out of the way so the real job creaters could do ther magic. This country needs JOBS like we need oxygen. Kudos to Perry.
Amadeus on August 11, 2011 at 1:01 PM

Amadeus on August 11, 2011 at 1:36 PM

But I’m still concerned about illegal immigration.

Rose on August 11, 2011 at 12:30 PM

Perry supports e-verify, and the new voter id bill, and he tried to get the anti-sanctuary bill through the special session.

He did sign the Texas Dream Act which allows children of illegals to pay in-state tuition if they have lived here for a certain amount of time. That’s all it allows; it is NOT amnesty.

He is NOT in favor of a 1200 mile fence, although he is in favor of barriers in populated areas. He prefers to have the border patrolled by actual human beings (with some help from drones) and really wants the federal government to do their job regarding border protection.

The link that an anti-Perry poster offered in this thread doesn’t really support his contention Perry is weak on illegal immigration.

Read through Perry’s own words at that site and make your own conclusion. IMO, they give Perry a d- on immigration more because of methodology than policy.

I also noticed that the administrator of that linked site numbersusa, Roy Beck, is a proponent of reducing ALL immigration, not just illegal immigration. So I don’t think anything Rick Perry does on the subject will satisfy him.

itsacookbook on August 11, 2011 at 1:40 PM

Anyone running with the GOP Establishment meme that Perry is not a conservative should be made to answer these:

Who are you supporting to be the GOP nominee?

And please don’t tell me Bachmann because she has as much chance of becoming President as me becoming Obama’s ambassador to China.

The GOP primary will boil down to Romney vs. the Anti-Romney, or Establishment vs. Non-Establishment. The only non-establishment candidates that have a chance in hell of unseating Romney are Palin or Perry. The rest stand no chance.

The ferocity of attacks against someone who the GOP establishment tried to unseat as Governor (remember Kay Bailey Hutchison?) trying to undermine his conservative credentials makes you really wonder… what are they afraid of?

Even the media and Dems who haven’t given a crap about the current slate of candidates, Romney/Pawlenty/Bachmann/etc…, are now on a furious destroy-Perry-at-all-cost campaign!

Bwa ha ha… but it won’t work. Perry is way too experienced with campaigns and will demolish his opposition.

TheRightMan on August 11, 2011 at 1:42 PM

Palin – Nest President

miConsevative on August 11, 2011 at 1:36 PM

I would certainly vote for her, but isn’t she – right now as a noncandidate – the true ‘flavor of the month’?

Until she jumps in, it all just speculation. The others are actually running…

catmman on August 11, 2011 at 1:42 PM

The only non-establishment candidates that have a chance in hell of unseating Romney are Palin or Perry. The rest stand no chance.
TheRightMan on August 11, 2011 at 1:42 PM

yeah. and Palin stands no chance against Obama in the national elections. independents won’t vote for her, and you cannot be elected president without the independents’ vote. so why bother?

jimver on August 11, 2011 at 1:45 PM

what? how is that even possible? you mean their parents don’t tell them that they came into the country illegally and they find out only later on when they try to get into the job market or high education system?…

jimver on August 11, 2011 at 1:32 PM

Yep, they came here as infants, or toddlers. Then grew up here not knowing they were here illegally.

You have me mistaken,

Amadeus on August 11, 2011 at 1:36 PM

Nope, you spent at least the previous page insulting folks who didn’t agree with your false anti-Perry statements.

cozmo on August 11, 2011 at 1:45 PM

Amadeus, you have been most vocal in your anti-Perry cred. So tell me, who are you supporting to be the GOP nominee.

TheRightMan on August 11, 2011 at 1:45 PM

Republicans better pound the pavement for whoever the nominee is, even if it’s not your favorite candidate. It’s partially do to attitudes like this that gave us what’s in the Whitehouse right now. We all know how that’s turning out. Four more years of Obama & this Country’s toast as we know it.

Susanboo on August 11, 2011 at 11:07 AM

No. The establishment pushing Next-in-line McCain on us that gave us this Whitehouse. And how’d you like that Bush spending? That’s part of our current debt problem.

Having an establishment who takes conservatives for granted – and conservatives give them your vote no matter what – isn’t a virtue. It’s part of the problem.

miConsevative on August 11, 2011 at 1:51 PM

Palin – Nest President

miConsevative on August 11, 2011 at 1:36 PM

It would be great if she was a ‘nest’ president-I’d just rather she not be president of our Nation..
She’s a good conservative-but by resigning her governorship after only 2 years or so and then doing that reality show she showed that she lacks staying power and gravitas. When the going gets tough-Sarah Palin quits.
Perry has gravitas-Palin doesn’t.
This nation can do better than Sarah Palin.

annoyinglittletwerp on August 11, 2011 at 1:53 PM

Are all Palin supporters as spiteful and hateful as you?
That was a low blow even for you.

Knucklehead on August 11, 2011 at 11:34 AM

Yet you ignore all the vitriol that comes from twerp.

miConsevative on August 11, 2011 at 1:59 PM

The photo was just that, a photo-op. The bill was one that had a broad affect, not just for ACORN. Gotta see if I can find it again…

catmman on August 11, 2011 at 12:49 PM

ok thanks saw that photo and tried to do some research on it but didn’t come up with much

unseen on August 11, 2011 at 2:01 PM

catmman on August 11, 2011 at 12:49 PM

unseen on August 11, 2011 at 2:01 PM

That was from an anti-Perry thread a while back. It had to do with shaky real estate titles and was good for every one except those who prey on the uninformed.
Perry loves ACORN

cozmo on August 11, 2011 at 2:10 PM

That was from an anti-Perry thread a while back. It had to do with shaky real estate titles and was good for every one except those who prey on the uninformed.
Perry loves ACORN

cozmo on August 11, 2011 at 2:10 PM

hmmm ok thanks for the info

unseen on August 11, 2011 at 2:12 PM

This nation can do better than Sarah Palin.

annoyinglittletwerp on August 11, 2011 at 1:53 PM

ALT, quite a number of GOP members might not like to see Palin as the nominee – not because of her policies or beliefs or even capability but because, rightly or wrongly, they believe she has been so damaged by the media/Dems that would make winning the general an uphill task for her.

But while I don’t subscribe to their viewpoints, I respect their opinion because many do NOT exhibit the level of vitriol that you have consistently displayed on this forum.

What exactly do you have against Palin? Why the deep animus, which borders on personal hatred and creepiness?

You always slam her for resigning… I dare say you would have been a miserable wreck had you been in her shoes sustaining the type of assaults she’s been through from the media/Dems/RINOs since 2008.

But I would say Palin has done a yeoman’s job as a Governor, as a Vice Presidential candidate, and even out of office – doing in 2010 what Romney (the presumed frontrunner) failed to do. She’s consistently been a strong voice against Obama and helped some of us maintain our sanity.

So please disagree, if you must, BUT she is not your enemy… try Obama and the Dems.

TheRightMan on August 11, 2011 at 2:14 PM

itsacookbook on August 11, 2011 at 1:40 PM

I just had to say, your Twilight Zone ‘nym takes the cake for the best on this site :-)

MJBrutus on August 11, 2011 at 2:15 PM

I would certainly vote for her, but isn’t she – right now as a noncandidate – the true ‘flavor of the month’?

Until she jumps in, it all just speculation. The others are actually running…

catmman on August 11, 2011 at 1:42 PM

Look at the support of the others. They had a giant swell of support…then it fizzled out… Palin’s has been constant.

The typical scenario goes like this. People are looking at the field seeing no one they particularly love. Suddenly, someone new enters the scene whom everyone has heard a few good things about (like Christie’s Union videos). This new entry, that they have minimal knowledge of becomes the savior. Then the start getting vetted…and they popularity wanes. It happened with Christie, Brown, Cain, Trump and Bachmann…and now it’s Perry’s turn, I’m guessing.

Palin, on the other hand, her supporters know quite well. There is no chance she will get in the race and we learn something new about who she is or where she stands so there’s really no way she falls into the flavor of the month club.

miConsevative on August 11, 2011 at 2:18 PM

You always slam her for resigning… I dare say you would have been a miserable wreck had you been in her shoes sustaining the type of assaults she’s been through from the media/Dems/RINOs since 2008.

TheRightMan on August 11, 2011 at 2:14 PM

ALT runs off when Amjean calls her a poopy head, so yeah, she would have had to be committed if she’d endured what Palin’s had to endure.

fossten on August 11, 2011 at 2:19 PM

Perry has gravitas-Palin doesn’t.
This nation can do better than Sarah Palin.

annoyinglittletwerp on August 11, 2011 at 1:53 PM

Just because you state an opinion as a fact doesn’t make it so. And since that’s the content of most of you comments, it’s become wearisome. Learn to support with facts and you might be somewhat convincing.

miConsevative on August 11, 2011 at 2:20 PM

I’m a conservative AND a Texan. Governor Perry definitely has some issues. The number 1 issue for most Texans is that he has been Governor for the last 10 years. So Texas has a little bit of “Perry Fatigue”.

That being said, I should point out that Perry is a battle hardened veteran when it comes to elections. The last primary for Governor here in Texas was brutal. I would say that Governor Perry does not have any dirty laundry that has not been aired.

To Quote James Carvill, “It’s the economy stupid”. Yes, we are feeling the pinch here in Texas as well. But I would hazard a guess that it’s not as painful here as in many other states. The want ads here have more than just the normal “burger flipping” jobs.

You can never outguess the voters, but if Perry gets the nomination, take my word for it, he will clean Obama’s clock. He doesn’t care if he is called a racist by team Obama.
Please keep in mind that Bush was a child of privilege and did not really have the “hunger” needed to be a successful politician. Perry, on the other hand, is the son of poor dirt farmers. He has a lot of drive.

Perry will NOT pick Bachman as a running mate. He will have the Tea Party in his pocket in no time. Palin will not run and I think she will endorse and campaign for Perry.

His VP pick will be someone that appeals to a demographic that he doesn’t. He might even ask Romney or Guliani to appeal to the wishy washy group.

CableDude on August 11, 2011 at 2:21 PM

Perry-Rubio 2012! I think it will have Obama hiding behind the drapes and saying “That Joe! Get rid of him! He’s box-office poison!”

Marcus on August 11, 2011 at 2:31 PM

quick question how many candidates did Perry help get elected in 2010 not living in TX? I didn’t hear much about him being able to use his “star power” for candidates outside of his state. What I would like to know is can Perry play outside his region or is Perry cursed to be a regional candidate like huck.

Most of the big supporters of his I see on these threads are people from TX I don’t see say many CA residents pining for Perry. My fear is that Perry can’t play nationally.

unseen on August 11, 2011 at 2:34 PM

CableDude on August 11, 2011 at 2:21 PM

Thanks. I can certainly live with that.

a capella on August 11, 2011 at 2:34 PM

itsacookbook on August 11, 2011 at 1:40 PM

TheRightMan on August 11, 2011 at 1:42 PM

annoyinglittletwerp on August 11, 2011 at 1:53 PM

C’mon, throw in the towel! Pretty soon the “Perry is Gay” meme will fall out of the closet and it will be an illegal Mexican transvestite, or that he carries a wussie .380 instead of a .40cal and that coyote was old, half blind and mangy and wasn’t even aware Rick’s puppy was near. If that’s not bad enough we’ll find out Perry is George W. Bush’s illegitimate half brother from an illegal Guatemalan teenage girl who died from cervical cancer and was raised in a Merck daycare by the sales staff, and when the media finds out he doesn’t have a reflection in the mirror, it will be all over.

cartooner on August 11, 2011 at 2:38 PM

Perry will NOT pick Bachman as a running mate. He will have the Tea Party in his pocket in no time. Palin will not run and I think she will endorse and campaign for Perry.

His VP pick will be someone that appeals to a demographic that he doesn’t. He might even ask Romney or Guliani to appeal to the wishy washy group.

CableDude on August 11, 2011 at 2:21 PM

Mark Davis says it’s Perry/Guliani. He claims they have a special bond or something, and with Texas and New York in the win column Obama would be dust. That’s what Mark says.

Marcus on August 11, 2011 at 2:39 PM

, or that he carries a wussie .380 instead of a .40cal and that coyote was old, half blind and mangy and wasn’t even aware Rick’s puppy was near. cartooner on August 11, 2011 at 2:38 PM

Heh. It took forever, but someone finally responded. I had given up all hope. Srsly, I don’t care what he carries,..it just seemed like,..well..the thing to do, being a Texan, and all.:)

a capella on August 11, 2011 at 2:44 PM

C’mon, throw in the towel! Pretty soon the “Perry is Gay” meme will fall out of the closet and it will be an illegal Mexican transvestite, or that he carries a wussie .380 instead of a .40cal and that coyote was old, half blind and mangy and wasn’t even aware Rick’s puppy was near. If that’s not bad enough we’ll find out Perry is George W. Bush’s illegitimate half brother from an illegal Guatemalan teenage girl who died from cervical cancer and was raised in a Merck daycare by the sales staff, and when the media finds out he doesn’t have a reflection in the mirror, it will be all over.

cartooner on August 11, 2011 at 2:38 PM

haha :-), that’s some imagination running wild there :-)…at a second glance though, not entirely from the fiction realm, I am sure some people already made the above connections :-)… the mirror thing tough (IF discovered by the media) worries me the most :-)…the Dorian Gray parallels will ruin his candidacy :-)…

jimver on August 11, 2011 at 2:45 PM

ALT runs off when Amjean calls her a poopy head, so yeah, she would have had to be committed if she’d endured what Palin’s had to endure.

fossten on August 11, 2011 at 2:19 PM

That was one of the most mean spirited and below the belt comments I’ve seen. Amjean ought to be ashamed. A war of words, even heated words with some name-calling doesn’t approach what she said to twerp.

cartooner on August 11, 2011 at 2:46 PM

The key criteria conservatives should be looking for this cycle is:

How anti-Establishment is the candidate I am supporting?

Only three candidates would pass this test: Palin, Bachmann, and to a large extent, Perry.

Palin and Bachmann’s fight against the Establishment is well known. Perry is not afraid to knock the heads of the Establishment and gained his cred after successfully defeating Kay Bailey Hutchison, who the Establishment pushed with all their might to take him out.

However, of these three, only two stand a chance of defeating both Romney and Obama: Perry and Palin.

Palin has the deepest support among the base but she also evokes the strongest sentiments across Dems, RINOs, and so-called independents. I personally believe Obama’s record will be enough to push her over the top.

Perry is the next best choice for conservatives. Most conservatives would be okay with him despite the attempts of the Romneybots on this forum to stir the base against him.

And that is what is driving the media and Dems nuts. They fear anyone the conservative base will LOVE to vote for. They prefer nominees like Romney who the base will reluctantly vote for because they could then drive a wedge and get either enough to stay at home or pull the lever for a third party candidate.

TheRightMan on August 11, 2011 at 2:48 PM

Two words: Fred Thompson.

Red Cloud on August 11, 2011 at 2:50 PM

CableDude on August 11, 2011 at 2:21 PM

This is all true.

cartooner on August 11, 2011 at 2:51 PM

Gosh, I remember like it was just yesterday that the average HA tea partier was making excuses for Debra Medina’s trooferism.

Red Cloud on August 11, 2011 at 2:52 PM

Two more words: Red Cloud

not sure what they mean, but not sure what Fred Thompson means either unless you’re looking for a reverse mortgage.

cartooner on August 11, 2011 at 2:54 PM

ALT runs off when Amjean calls her a poopy head, so yeah, she would have had to be committed if she’d endured what Palin’s had to endure.

fossten on August 11, 2011 at 2:19 PM

Believe or not-I actually have more important things to do that sit on my butt and trade jibes with a Palinista.
My house isn’t going to clean itself.
I drew first blood-with no apologies. I stand by what I wrote-and I expected a reply. I’m a big girl. No biggie.
MY problem is that she claimed that my working @Walmart was proof that I hadn’t done much w/ my life.
She doesn’t know jack about me or WHAT I’ve managed to do with my life.

As for Walmart-my co-workers are are head and shoulders over elitist trash like amjean.

annoyinglittletwerp on August 11, 2011 at 2:55 PM

cartooner on August 11, 2011 at 2:46 PM

You’re a mensch!(that’s a good thing)
Thank you.

annoyinglittletwerp on August 11, 2011 at 2:57 PM

Hadn’t thought about a Perry/Giuliani ticket before. As a hard right tea partier, there is a lot not to like. As a realist, there is a freaking LOT to like.

Schweggie on August 11, 2011 at 3:11 PM

cartooner on August 11, 2011 at 2:38 PM

heh heh heh – you hear such crazy things on this here “internets.”

I’ve already heard the “Perry is gay” thing… mostly because he was a yell leader at A&M. – they don’t know Aggies much, do they?

And – oddly – I’ve also heard the “Perry is a womanizer” crap… mostly from the people who don’t like the state tax on strip clubs.

The two groups need to get together: get their stories straight.

I like the way Perry handles the press which is going to be the key to everything. I’ve seen him shut down a line of stupid questioning with one word and a look.

MJBrutus on August 11, 2011 at 2:15 PM

thanks… like my bro says, just when I’m kicking myself for being cynical, I find out I wasn’t cynical enough.

itsacookbook on August 11, 2011 at 3:21 PM

Amadeus, you have been most vocal in your anti-Perry cred. So tell me, who are you supporting to be the GOP nominee.

TheRightMan on August 11, 2011 at 1:45 PM

Of all the announced, I would say Perry.

Amadeus on August 11, 2011 at 3:28 PM

“Amadeus, you have been most vocal in your anti-Perry cred. ”
TheRightMan on August 11, 2011 at 1:45 PM

You do know that I brought up one negative. Then showered him with praise. Right?

Amadeus on August 11, 2011 at 3:35 PM

Fox just reported 3 min. ago that Perry will get into the race this Saturday. The Perry campaign exists and he will hit the campaign trail next week!!

Ok! Give ‘em hell, Rick!

cartooner on August 11, 2011 at 3:39 PM

I didn’t know he was in the Air Force, all the more reasons to like him :-)….

jimver on August 11, 2011 at 3:48 PM

The Establishment is in serious melt-down mode over Perry entering the race. They thought they had neutralized the “icky” Tea-Partiers by joining forces with the media/Dems in attacking Palin’s viability as a candidate.

And then presto, we get another alternative should Palin decide not to run.

That has them scared because their plan to join the Dems in overburdening us with taxes and regulations to feed their ever-growing Govt. is about to be nipped in the bud.

OT: Dave Camp (one of the Super Committee nominees) won’t rule out tax increases.

Thank you, Boehner and the GOP Establishment.

TheRightMan on August 11, 2011 at 3:58 PM

You do know that I brought up one negative. Then showered him with praise. Right?

Amadeus on August 11, 2011 at 3:35 PM

False. You not only brought up more than one negative (in another thread) but you spam your negatives.

fossten on August 11, 2011 at 4:04 PM

Ok! Give ‘em hell, Rick!

cartooner on August 11, 2011 at 3:39 PM

Seems Perry waited until after the threat of the debate was over. Wonder why he didn’t want to debate tonight.

unseen on August 11, 2011 at 4:04 PM

Believe or not-I actually have more important things to do that sit on my butt and trade jibes with a Palinista.
My house isn’t going to clean itself.
I drew first blood-with no apologies. I stand by what I wrote-and I expected a reply. I’m a big girl. No biggie.
MY problem is that she claimed that my working @Walmart was proof that I hadn’t done much w/ my life.
She doesn’t know jack about me or WHAT I’ve managed to do with my life.

As for Walmart-my co-workers are are head and shoulders over elitist trash like amjean.

annoyinglittletwerp on August 11, 2011 at 2:55 PM

Thanks for proving my point – you have a veeeeeeery thin skin.

fossten on August 11, 2011 at 4:05 PM


I was not impressed.

Amjean on August 11, 2011 at 10:33 AM

Right there with ya.

greeneyedconservative on August 11, 2011 at 4:07 PM

Most of the big supporters of his I see on these threads are people from TX I don’t see say many CA residents pining for Perry.
unseen

Whaaaa? Perry can’t carry California? Time to give it up then, Rick. If a Republican can’t carry the conservative stronghold of California, what chance does he have?

My fear is that Perry can’t play nationally.
unseen

How well does Palin do in California? Are they pining for her in a way they won’t do for Perry?

Seems Perry waited until after the threat of the debate was over. Wonder why he didn’t want to debate tonight.

unseen

Maybe for the same reason Palin didn’t want to debate tonight.

xblade on August 11, 2011 at 4:28 PM

False. You not only brought up more than one negative (in another thread) but you spam your negatives.

fossten on August 11, 2011 at 4:04 PM

what were they?

Amadeus on August 11, 2011 at 4:49 PM

Perry will turn this country into Amexico.

He did nothing as millions of illegal Mexicans sneaked into Texas and from there invaded the rest of the country.

All his campaigns in Texas have been bilingual too with Spanish.

haner on August 11, 2011 at 4:49 PM

Seems Perry waited until after the threat of the debate was over. Wonder why he didn’t want to debate tonight.

unseen on August 11, 2011 at 4:04 PM

YES Truly PHUCKING hilarious coming from Palin’s child.

You didn’t really post that did you?

hahahahahahahahaha

CW on August 11, 2011 at 4:50 PM

All his campaigns in Texas have been bilingual too with Spanish.

haner on August 11, 2011 at 4:49 PM

Of course no Americans speak Spanish./

CW on August 11, 2011 at 4:50 PM

Interviewer: “Is there anything that intimidates you about running for president?”

Perry: “No.”

He has my vote. We need a candidate with guts.

Aronne on August 11, 2011 at 5:12 PM

Nope, you spent at least the previous page insulting folks who didn’t agree with your false anti-Perry statements.

cozmo on August 11, 2011 at 1:45 PM

I only insult idiots… I love folks :D And the Link that I provided wasn’t false nor the pretense. Perry has done overall a good job as Gov of Texas. Solid B+
A little tip from an old veteran ==> You gotta roll with the punches.

Amadeus on August 11, 2011 at 5:19 PM

Amadeus on August 11, 2011 at 5:19 PM

Heh, I wasn’t the one reduced to name calling.

cozmo on August 11, 2011 at 5:50 PM

Oh, I really loved seeing these vids. I love that he smiles so much and I love that he was quick saying that nothing intimidates him. My favorite part was at the end of the second clip where he looks like the cat who ate the canary about not being worried about O’d fund-raising. Didn’t even bat an eyelash over the “Billion dollars” remark. I also like seeing a Republican who isn’t running away from W, he outright said that he called him on his birthday, and talks with him. I loved W’s response to Perry about running.

This has given me such hope.

-Aslan’s Girl

Aslans Girl on August 11, 2011 at 9:26 PM

Oh, I really loved seeing these vids. I love that he smiles so much and I love that he was quick saying that nothing intimidates him. My favorite part was at the end of the second clip where he looks like the cat who ate the canary about not being worried about O’d fund-raising. Didn’t even bat an eyelash over the “Billion dollars” remark. I also like seeing a Republican who isn’t running away from W, he outright said that he called him on his birthday, and talks with him. I loved W’s response to Perry about running.

This has given me such hope.

-Aslan’s Girl

Aslans Girl on August 11, 2011 at 9:26 PM

Oh my gosh! Those 2 short videos are the best things I’ve seen in long time.

He is all in and HE WILL WIN. You can see it and you can hear it in his voice. He is hungry and ready.

My favorite part was at the very end of the second video when he was asked if he can compete with Obama when it comes to fund raising. His face told it all. He can’t wait.

Love it!

Will have to come back tonight to read all the comments. I can just imagine.

Elisa on August 11, 2011 at 12:57 PM

LOL I guess we agree on Perry. And I liked that he called Bush on his birthday,too. We need as much unity as possible. Tea Party and establishment.

Elisa on August 11, 2011 at 9:55 PM

Elisa on August 11, 2011 at 9:55 PM

GMTA! It was obviously the “money quote” (pun intended, lol) of the interview. I hadn’t read the thread when I posted so, lol and ditto!

-Aslan’s Girl

Aslans Girl on August 12, 2011 at 12:50 AM

there’s nothing more important than having an environment created by government that allows for the private sector to risk its capital to know that they have a good chance of having a return on the investment.

You’ve got my vote.

John the Libertarian on August 12, 2011 at 4:22 AM

Aslans Girl on August 12, 2011 at 12:50 AM

I had to google GMTA. LOL I’m not that savy with the lingo.

Yes – GMTA!

Elisa on August 12, 2011 at 10:26 AM

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