Unacceptable: What some young women say the economy is driving them to do

posted at 6:45 pm on August 9, 2011 by Tina Korbe

“Desperate” doesn’t even begin to describe this. “Prostitution” comes much, much closer. In a recent Huffington Post article, Amanda Fairbanks chronicles the rise of “Sugar Daddy” social media sites, like SeekingArrangement.com, SugarDaddyMeet.com and SeekingTuition.com, along with the lifestyle choices of the women responsible for that rise:

Saddled with piles of student debt and a job-scarce, lackluster economy, current college students and recent graduates are selling themselves to pursue a diploma or pay down their loans. An increasing number, according to the the owners of websites that broker such hook-ups, have taken to the web in search of online suitors or wealthy benefactors who, in exchange for sex, companionship, or both, might help with the bills.

The past few years have taken an especially brutal toll on the plans and expectations of 20-somethings. As unemployment rates tick steadily higher, starting salaries have plummeted. Meanwhile, according to Jeffrey Jensen Arnett, a professor of psychology at Clark University, about 85 percent of the class of 2011 will likely move back in with their parents during some period of their post-college years, compared with 40 percent a decade ago.

Besides moving back home, many 20-somethings are beginning their adult lives shouldering substantial amounts of student loan debt. According to Mark Kantrowitz, who publishes the financial aid websites Fastweb.com and Finaid.org, while the average 2011 graduate finished school with about $27,200 in debt, many are straining to pay off significantly greater loans.

Enter the sugar daddy, sugar baby phenomenon. This particular dynamic preceded the economic meltdown, of course. Rich guys well past their prime have been plunking down money for thousands of years in search of a tryst or something more with women half their age — and women, willingly or not, have made themselves available. With the whole process going digital, women passing through a system of higher education that fosters indebtedness are using the anonymity of the web to sell their wares and pay down their college loans.

When I happened across a headline about this phenomenon yesterday on the Fox Business News website, I made a note to research it further. Truthfully, I expected sob stories — tales of split-penny, ashamed young women sheepishly seeking the patronage of an older man. I thought unemployment might factor in somewhere. In short, I assumed the success of these sites depended on a Fantine-esque fable of abandonment, factory work and misstaken firings. Naive me.

Nope — what appears to actually be going on here is even more depressing than that. It’s a story of young, successful gals who’ve made a series of inelegant decisions — first, to pursue educations they couldn’t afford, then, to sell themselves to pay down debts and, finally, to blame the economy for choices they’d most likely have been comfortable making anyway. The key paragraphs in Fairbanks’ admirably thorough report come near the end:

As two enterprising anthropology undergraduates at George Washington University, Elizabeth Nistico and Samuel Schall tackled the phenomenon of sugar daddy culture for a recent school project. Schall studied young, gay sugar babies, and Nistico explored the straight scene. Of their study’s 100 participants, more than half said the money they received financed their education. On average, the relationships lasted between three and four months.

Nistico found that some of the sugar babies used the excuse of the economic downturn for behavior she thinks they would still have otherwise condoned. “We concluded that people who say they have a sugar daddy to pay off their loans are people who would already contemplate being in that relationship if the economy was doing just fine,” says Nistico, whose subjects frequently mentioned the recession, a bad economy or debt as motivating factors in their decisions.

Admittedly, the sugar daddy phenomenon does point to a few important problems for which society at large is at least partially culpable, from the eduction bubble that led to absurdly high college tuition rates … to the sexual economics that have so lowered the price of sex that it might actually be more self-respecting for a girl to seek payment from a sugar daddy than to repeatedly give herself away for free … to the policy decisions that created the abysmal economy that makes this seem, by some accounts, less unacceptable than it otherwise would be. But, in the end, the “sugar babies” themselves bear responsibility for what they’re doing.

These women happen to be just about my age, which means, even though they’re young, they’re adults. Perhaps if I hadn’t purposefully decided at age 18 to attend my state school on scholarship or at age 22 to forgo law school to work and save money precisely to forestall a life situation in which the demands of student loan debt exceeded my income, I’d be in more of a mood to make excuses for my fellow females. But the quotes from several of these sugar babies smack of an entitlement mentality. They’d like to be able to earn a Ph.D. in finance at the London School of Economics, please. To be able to eat Michelin-rated meals and take Travel-channel-worthy vacations, thank you very much. Wouldn’t we all?

Crises always reveal character — and what stories like this remind me of is that the fight for the nation’s economy is equally a fight for its culture. Will we return to personal responsibility and self-government? Or will we descend further into an entitlement-and-excuse-making mentality?

For sugar babies who fell into a trap of their own making, FBN’s Dr. Woody offers some timely and well-intentioned advice, but it’s relevant for us all as we consider ways to make ends meet in the midst of economic challenges:

Tap Family and Friends: In tough times always start with family and friends. We all have our own support networks and the time to tap them is when you are in need. Remember, those who really care about you will do what they can to get you moving in the right direction.

Gigging: When in a desperate financial situation, start thinking entrepreneurially and consider freelancing or starting your own business. In a previous article I wrote about the several ways one can cobble together a series of gigs to make ends meet while in transition. …

Although we are in desperate times, be [wary] of desperate measures. Richard Branson, chairman of the Virgin Group, recently told me that “there is always work that needs to be done” and for the recent grad “it’s a matter of figuring out what that work is.” If you are willing to open your eyes, the right opportunity will present itself.

But, first, we have to be willing to open our eyes.

Update: Just thought of this, too: What will these sugar babies do when the president taxes their millionaire and billionaire corporate-jet-owning sugar daddies into oblivion?

 

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Very unchivalrous comment by ted c.

aengus on August 9, 2011 at 8:23 PM

truth hurts sometimes.

pass the sugar.

ted c on August 9, 2011 at 8:38 PM

about 85 percent of the class of 2011 will likely move back in with their parents during some period of their post-college years, compared with 40 percent a decade ago.

That’s what you get for voting for Obama, kids. Enjoy!

Besides moving back home, many 20-somethings are beginning their adult lives shouldering substantial amounts of student loan debt.

Hope and change don’t pay no bills, you morons!

Emperor Norton on August 9, 2011 at 8:40 PM

Tina, did you think so many men wanted to rich and powerful for the cigars?

trigon on August 9, 2011 at 7:44 PM

Bill Clinton notwithstanding.

malclave on August 9, 2011 at 8:40 PM

I paid off most of my NYU student loans (~$30,000) in 2.5 years while working at Starbucks by living in a studio apartment with a roommate, not owning a car (in L.A. where people swear you can’t survive without a car) and having an inexpensive social life. Through connections I made at Starbucks I got an office job that paid slightly more that enabled me to pay of the remainder on the loans in another year.

I don’t care if these girls want to prostitute themselves to pay for college.

I do care if they want to lie and say that because of the economy they have no other options.

JadeNYU on August 9, 2011 at 8:08 PM

And working in Starbucks or temping in an office is totally what you envisioned yourself doing when you were going to NYU? I think that is more the issue here than the story itself, isn’t it. You don’t need a high school degree to make lattes at Starbucks, let alone a bachelors. I certainly didn’t envision that the only jobs I would find after getting a MBA was hourly data entry and copying jobs.

The issue that is most urgent is that the economy isn’t creating jobs and those it is creating are low paying service and temp jobs. How people are coping with it is secondary.

Illinidiva on August 9, 2011 at 8:40 PM

It’s a complete fallacy that all prostitutes are desperate and on drugs. Our image of prostitution revolves around streetwalkers – and, admittedly – some of those are the edge of desperation. However … streetwalkers are but a small part of the prostitution culture these days.

The vast majority now are young, attractive, educated women – and the internet has made it possible for them to ply their trade and remain fairly anonymous.

GOOD FOR THEM! I say.

I am a MAN – I was born with PHYSICAL POWER and for my entire adult life – I’ve used that power – bestowed upon me from birth by male hormones – to make a livelihood for myself and provide for my family. Not all men can make a living on their physical works – and some absolutely abhor hard manually intensive work. And that’s fine – but for me – I revel in it. The harder the work is, the more dangerous it is, the more physically demanding it is – the more I revel in it!

Women – HAVE SEXUAL POWER. Some have more than others. Some abhor using it for a livelihood – while others – revel in it. I have known many escorts and call girls in my life and they all tell me that the sense of sexual power in their jobs is addictive to them. That no amount of compliments or flowers sent to your doorstep will ever equal the sexual confidence that is instilled by a man who plops down cold hard cash in exchange for sex with them.

No one’s being abused here. There’s no victim. These women are completely “on the ball” – they’re businesswomen and, the thing I love about them – they’re totally counter-economic activity … they pay taxes on what they want to declare.

Many women find them despicable – sure that’s your choice – but you have no right to enforce your morality on them by telling them they aren’t allowed to use what they were born with … the way I do as a male.

HondaV65 on August 9, 2011 at 8:42 PM

JadeNYU on August 9, 2011 at 8:08 PM

The most honest post on this thread. And, good for you, Jade. Ain’t nothin’ worth gettin’ an easy thing.

TXUS on August 9, 2011 at 8:42 PM

I made comments very similar to these during the Tiger Woods meltdown. The accommodating media referred to his contacts as ‘girlfriends’, but they were little more than hookers too. If you pay the fare with a piece of jewelry vs cash, does that make it less than prostitution?

slickwillie2001 on August 9, 2011 at 8:43 PM

Let’s face it. Far more ‘relationships’ are transactional than we’d care to admit. Some are more blatant like out-and-out prostitution or this sugar baby stuff. Some are less so. Still, what do you say about a woman that won’t go out with a man until she’s seen his financial statement? I’ve seen it done and even had a woman try it on me, once.

I have a female acquaintance who simply won’t go out with any guy that doesn’t make very good money, have a nice car and a nice place, etc. In the 9 or 10 years I’ve known her she hasn’t had a relationship that’s worked out for her. At the moment, she’s 40, single and childless.

How many marriages go along, evidently fine, until financial hardship strikes?

The real trick, I think, I finding a relationship that isn’t transactional.

trigon on August 9, 2011 at 8:53 PM

If you vote for a dem, you deserve any bad thing that happens to you.

proconstitution on August 9, 2011 at 8:59 PM

I made comments very similar to these during the Tiger Woods meltdown. The accommodating media referred to his contacts as ‘girlfriends’, but they were little more than hookers too. If you pay the fare with a piece of jewelry vs cash, does that make it less than prostitution?

slickwillie2001 on August 9, 2011 at 8:43 PM

Prostitution, slick, has been the most ubiquitous thing yet hardest to define through all of recorded time. It transcends and envelopes all of history. I mean, is there a difference between a woman who marries a man for his money or power versus a woman who shares his bed for a while, at a price?

In the first instance, there might be a hint or hope of love, on the man’s part anyway, yet in both instances there is only the question of performance and price. Raising the issue, the age-old issue, of who is the john and who is the whore?

TXUS on August 9, 2011 at 9:04 PM

Unacceptable: What some young women say the economy is driving them to do

That’s a damn excuse, I happened upon that show “Sugar Babies” and was absolutely disgusted! Almost everyone one of them admit they are lazy and don’t want to work!

Just another example of the liberal left thumbsucking entitlement leeches, don’t want to work but want to live like kings or queens.

I’m personally sick and tired of working hard all of my life and seeing my taxes and costs of living sky rocket just to support these spoiled, lazy, parasitic azzholes while the rest of us productive citizens are being bled dry!

I say ship them all off to the Middle East where they will fit right in with the other perpetual “victims” of this world!

F-ing useless leeches!

Liberty or Death on August 9, 2011 at 9:12 PM

The real trick, I think, I finding a relationship that isn’t transactional.

trigon on August 9, 2011 at 8:53 PM

ALL relationships have a transactional component to them. This is the way nature designed men and women. The man says … “For the sex you give me – I will protect you, I will support you and provide an environment to raise your children – I will help you raise those children – your life will be easier with me than it would otherwise be without me.”

From the woman’s point of view – it’s reversed – she provides the sex in return for the support and advantages she gains from the male.

Enveloping all of this … since we are THINKING beings who have a conscience – is a real capacity for caring and love – but LOVE is the icing on the cake – it’s not the cake. It’s not – and no matter who says it is – it ain’t.

The majority of men are heterosexual. No heterosexual man ever considers engaging in a long term relationship with another man. Why? Because there is no sex in the deal for him. In order to get what he wants – he must find a female.

It’s ALL transactional. That doesn’t mean that every single act of sex is transactional though – but in the larger context … most of it is.

HondaV65 on August 9, 2011 at 9:17 PM

Let’s face it. Far more ‘relationships’ are transactional than we’d care to admit. Some are more blatant like out-and-out prostitution or this sugar baby stuff. Some are less so.

The real trick, I think, I finding a relationship that isn’t transactional.

trigon on August 9, 2011 at 8:53 PM

Even dating is transactional.

The thing about equality is that women want it unless it involves them paying for something…then they want the guy to pay for it.

What will these sugar babies do when the president taxes their millionaire and billionaire corporate-jet-owning sugar daddies into oblivion?

These women are just a small subset of our larger society that encourages people to have a entitlement mentality.

I really hate to see how these people would react if society collapsed completely.

Conservative Samizdat on August 9, 2011 at 9:17 PM

That’s a damn excuse, I happened upon that show “Sugar Babies” and was absolutely disgusted! Almost everyone one of them admit they are lazy and don’t want to work!

Liberty or Death on August 9, 2011 at 9:12 PM

You sound like a Liberal who has a problem with rich people because they don’t “work” for a living.

Is a man who spends his life working as a writer lazier than a man who spends his life as a carpenter? The writer will full well tell you that he doesn’t want to do the physical work the carpenter does. Does that make him a lazy man?

These women provide a service for the monetary return. That’s the very definition of WORK my friend. The fact that you don’t consider it work – doesn’t make it so.

Drew Brees – is he a WORKING MAN? He’s an NFL football player – damn good – plays football because he likes it and can make a good living. What’s wrong with that?

Why are prostitutes or sugar babies any different?

HondaV65 on August 9, 2011 at 9:21 PM

It’s the oldest profession. Some women like to delude themselves that it’s okay because they’re just paying for their masters’ degrees. As if educated hookers are somehow better than others.

obladioblada on August 9, 2011 at 9:25 PM

Back in the ‘olden days’ they were called gold diggers. Up around here the first question a woman will ask is ‘how long have you worked at the mine?’. Meaning, how high up the seniority list are you and what skill level are you being paid (at union scale).

Skandia Recluse on August 9, 2011 at 9:26 PM

It’s the oldest profession. Some women like to delude themselves that it’s okay because they’re just paying for their masters’ degrees. As if educated hookers are somehow better than others.

obladioblada on August 9, 2011 at 9:25 PM

Some guys do like long-term girlfriends who aren’t just good at sex, but can actually hold a conversation. I’m sure that a CEO would like his trophy wife to not only look hot and be good in bed, but also be a bit classier than the Real Housewives of New Jersey. The elite businessmen need wives/ girlfriends who can entertain their business colleagues without getting into drunk catfights and even make intelligent comments on the day’s news as well as take an active role in the businessman’s charity endeavors.

However, I’m not sure why a Masters is needed to pursue that life path. It seems to me that in the early 20th century that was what finishing school was for. I’m not sure why someone doesn’t just open a school for women hoping to be polished trophy wives like they used to have.

Illinidiva on August 9, 2011 at 9:35 PM

I’m not sure why someone doesn’t just open a school for women hoping to be polished trophy wives like they used to have.

Illinidiva on August 9, 2011 at 9:35 PM

Its not that we need to bring back those kind of schools.

They really need to bring back home economics classes, money management class, and other classes that teach people life skills.

We don’t teach our kids to be self sustaining any more.

Conservative Samizdat on August 9, 2011 at 9:38 PM

Tina,
I don’t always comment, but I want to thank you for all the interesting topics and articles you post. Not that I don’t think the others do a great job, just that you are a welcome addition.

I couldn’t agree with you more on everything you brought up.

to the sexual economics that have so lowered the price of sex that it might actually be more self-respecting for a girl to seek payment from a sugar daddy than to repeatedly give herself away for free

I was going to say the same exact thing. My kids are 25 and 23 and the stories they tell me about college were outrageous.

So, if they are going to have a bunch of one night stands without even knowing each other’s names, then getting paid for it just seems like a step up to me. (Obviously I’m being sarcastic.)

The thing is that all these young girls your age and my daughters have been told since they were 12 that these things aren’t important and sex is expected and healthy and what they should be doing. These lies harden their little hearts very young and lead to alot of heartache and emotional, psychological and physical sicknesses. (I’m not just talking about the prostitutes.)

Very sad.

Tina, honey, your lifestyle choices and your responsible education choices will serve you well in life. You will be much happier than most girls your age.

Elisa on August 9, 2011 at 9:41 PM

I really hate to see how these people would react if society collapsed completely.

Conservative Samizdat on August 9, 2011 at 9:17 PM

They’d run around like their heads were on fire and their azzes were catching! These leeches have probably never had to do any actual work in their lives, they’ve had everything handed to them so when the shiite hits the fan they will be one of those people you see in disaster movies that panic and are the first to die!

Or they will think they can continue to play the system but will panic when they see the game is over and those of us that paid their way are no longer willing or able to so and wouldn’t bat an eye watching them starve to death!

Liberty or Death on August 9, 2011 at 9:41 PM

*my daughter’s age

Elisa on August 9, 2011 at 9:42 PM

These women provide a service for the monetary return. That’s the very definition of WORK my friend. The fact that you don’t consider it work – doesn’t make it so.

Drew Brees – is he a WORKING MAN? He’s an NFL football player – damn good – plays football because he likes it and can make a good living. What’s wrong with that?

Why are prostitutes or sugar babies any different?

HondaV65 on August 9, 2011 at 9:21 PM

Well stated, and right on!

TXUS on August 9, 2011 at 9:46 PM

The harder the work is, the more dangerous it is, the more physically demanding it is – the more I revel in it!

And that’s you love high class hookers. Got to love those girls!

bayam on August 9, 2011 at 9:49 PM

You sound like a Liberal who has a problem with rich people because they don’t “work” for a living.

Is a man who spends his life working as a writer lazier than a man who spends his life as a carpenter? The writer will full well tell you that he doesn’t want to do the physical work the carpenter does. Does that make him a lazy man?

These women provide a service for the monetary return. That’s the very definition of WORK my friend. The fact that you don’t consider it work – doesn’t make it so.

Drew Brees – is he a WORKING MAN? He’s an NFL football player – damn good – plays football because he likes it and can make a good living. What’s wrong with that?

Why are prostitutes or sugar babies any different?

HondaV65 on August 9, 2011 at 9:21 PM

First of all I am no thumbsucking liberal, I’ve worked hard all my life for what I have and didn’t inherit or get a damn penny from my parents when they passed. You should take a class on critical thinking and logic because your response shows you’re not very good at either.

Comparing a football player that worked his azz off to get to the pros and continues to work hard all week to be at peak perfomance to play a very physical sport is nothing like these thumbsucking leeches! These “sugar babies” couldn’t make it through a junior high phys ed class let alone one week of workouts and reps with a pro team!

As for your prostitute analogy, well at least they are providing a service and give it up when their client gives them cash or gifts. These leeches expect their sugar daddies/mommies to buy them expensive gifts and pay their way for everything yet don’t want to put out!

Once again, they are thumsucking leeches that expect everything for nothing…perhaps it is you that are the liberal as you seem to be defending these worthless pieces of shiite parasites!

Maybe you have compassion and are defending them because you are or have been a thumbsucking liberal leech yourself…it called “projecting.”

Liberty or Death on August 9, 2011 at 9:53 PM

Its not that we need to bring back those kind of schools.

They really need to bring back home economics classes, money management class, and other classes that teach people life skills.

We don’t teach our kids to be self sustaining any more.

Conservative Samizdat on August 9, 2011 at 9:38 PM

The issue with Home Economics, Cooking, and Sewing is that only women used to take them and those were generally required at the expense of actually college prep courses. Women weren’t supposed to go to school or went for Mrs. Degrees where most of the classes were similar.

I’m all for all children taking a home economic, money management, and job skills course. It seems to me that those can be substituted for some of the more ridiculous requirements like gym class every single year (an IL requirement or art classes).. Jog or something in your free time.

Illinidiva on August 9, 2011 at 9:58 PM

And that’s you love high class hookers. Got to love those girls!

bayam on August 9, 2011 at 9:49 PM

Well – people put them down all the time – but they are simply reacting off upbringing – they aren’t acting on logic or from any experience with talking with these women.

I know a Russian high class Courtesan woman. Incredibly nice woman … incredibly educated (master’s degree in art). Conversations with her are amazing … she has been around the world – seen it all. She can teach a civilized man how to get down and dirty under the sheets – she can teach an un-civilized one how to behave at an opera – or how to open a bottle of champagne without making a fool of himself.

Some of these women pride themselves on being able to bring out the best in men – or inspire them – or to lead them to endeavors they would never consider.

She told me once that … if she spends 48 hours with a gentleman – only about 45 minutes to an hour of that will even be remotely involved with sexual activity. The rest of the time, it’s romance … dining … and conversation.

I’d much rather have this woman as a sister – than to have any male journalist in the MSM as my brother.

HondaV65 on August 9, 2011 at 9:59 PM

As for your prostitute analogy, well at least they are providing a service and give it up when their client gives them cash or gifts. These leeches expect their sugar daddies/mommies to buy them expensive gifts and pay their way for everything yet don’t want to put out!

Hey… If they’re getting some bloke to give them lots of money and expensive presents without even completing the deal, then good for them!! It seems to me that it is the guy’s fault, not the woman’s fault. Why are you continuing to pursue a girl and “pay” her if you aren’t even getting your end of the bargain. Just break it off then.

Illinidiva on August 9, 2011 at 10:02 PM

First of all I am no thumbsucking liberal, I’ve worked hard all my life for what I have and didn’t inherit or get a damn penny from my parents when they passed. You should take a class on critical thinking and logic because your response shows you’re not very good at either.

Liberty or Death on August 9, 2011 at 9:53 PM

Yet the fact remains – that you have no financial interest in these women and yet – you are sooooooo upset at them.

Are you paying for their services?

Are they harming you?

No? Then why do you care? Re-read what you’ve written there (Mr. Critical thinker) and then ask yourself – why are you soooo upset by these women?

Jealousy? Maybe they are getting something a bit easier than you’ve ever been able to?

That’s life bud – but it’s none of your business what they do.

Bottom line.

HondaV65 on August 9, 2011 at 10:03 PM

My daughter graduates from (public, not Ivy League)University next year with ZERO college debt, allowing her to concentrate on the really important things in life… Like NOT paying back a student loan for an education neither she nor I could afford…

If someone wants to “sugar baby up”, I’ve always said that, “Life is an informed decision. Make one.”

Khun Joe on August 9, 2011 at 10:15 PM

If a woman choses to sell $$$ for companionship and the guy is being nice, butt out.

Seriously. So what is shameful about doing what you have to do to get an education when both the Left and the Right won’t cap tuition? Get over yourself.

HotAirJosef on August 9, 2011 at 10:15 PM

These women provide a service for the monetary return. That’s the very definition of WORK my friend. The fact that you don’t consider it work – doesn’t make it so.

HondaV65 on August 9, 2011 at 9:21 PM

No shiite Sherlock! Yes, they provide a service and therefore get paid. I never once mentioned prostitutes in my original comment, I was commenting on the parasitic “sugar babies.” I have no problem with prostitutes because they do something for the money they are given.

However if you could stomach to watch that disgusting show “sugar babies” you’d quickly realize these leeches expect something for nothing because that’s the way their lives have always been, everything handed to them without having to work for it!

They openley admit they are lazy and in the show they admit they don’t want to put out to their sugar daddies, they just want the money, gifts, and live like queens without putting out! So not only are they lazy pieces of shiite leeches they are dishonest as well, at least with a prostitute you know you will be getting something for your money! If anything I believe the prostitutes are better and more honest people then these sugar baby parasites, at least they are earning their money!

Well stated, and right on!

TXUS on August 9, 2011 at 9:46 PM

Really? Heh…small minds think alike!

Liberty or Death on August 9, 2011 at 10:16 PM

That’s what you get for voting for Obama, kids. Enjoy!

Besides moving back home, many 20-somethings are beginning their adult lives shouldering substantial amounts of student loan debt.

Hope and change don’t pay no bills, you morons!

Emperor Norton on August 9, 2011 at 8:40 PM

I think what is really sad is that I did not vote for Obama and I still got the shaft. Thanks, President Stoopid. I think he should be the one living in his grandparents house–in Kenya!

RDE2010 on August 9, 2011 at 10:18 PM

However if you could stomach to watch that disgusting show “sugar babies” you’d quickly realize these leeches expect something for nothing

Liberty or Death on August 9, 2011 at 10:16 PM

Oh this sentence says it all … I’m in a debate with a moron who gets his facts from reality TV.

Yes, Mr. Liberty or Death – every “sugar baby” is exactly like the ones featured on your favorite show … you can paint them all with the same brush – because they all conform to the stereotype portrayed on television.

Uhm … okay then … time for bed.

HondaV65 on August 9, 2011 at 10:26 PM

perhaps it is you that are the liberal as you seem to be defending these worthless pieces of shiite parasites!

Maybe you have compassion and are defending them because you are or have been a thumbsucking liberal leech yourself…it called “projecting.”

Liberty or Death on August 9, 2011 at 9:53 PM

Calling HondaV65 a liberal?
Perhaps our oxygen levels are too high. Where planet are you from?

DarkCurrent on August 9, 2011 at 10:28 PM

Liberty or Death on August 9, 2011 at 10:16 PM

Never saw the show, pal, but if the girls are prick-teasing in it, that is bad. I think what HondaV65 and I are talking about is don’t judge the women who might choose to befriend a guy, for whatever their own reasons. It’s their own choice and isn’t that the very definition of freedom? Now, I’m not talking about abortion here, since that involves the taking of innocent life, a choice I will stand against until my sun sets forever. But, if a woman decides to be with a man, she has that right to the extent her soul is okay with it and heart desires it.

Of course, this comes from a “small mind”.

TXUS on August 9, 2011 at 10:35 PM

Yet the fact remains – that you have no financial interest in these women and yet – you are sooooooo upset at them.

Are you paying for their services?

Are they harming you?

No? Then why do you care? Re-read what you’ve written there (Mr. Critical thinker) and then ask yourself – why are you soooo upset by these women?

Jealousy? Maybe they are getting something a bit easier than you’ve ever been able to?

That’s life bud – but it’s none of your business what they do.

Bottom line.

HondaV65 on August 9, 2011 at 10:03 PM

If they suck off the gubment teet, then YES I HAVE A FINANCIAL INTEREST IN THESE LEECHES! Most of these types of losers game the system, I see it and read about it all the time, again, they want to live like kings and queens but don’t want to work for it! It wouldn’t surprise me one bit if most of these sugar babies are receiving some sort of gubment assistance, taking it from those that really need it and I seeth about it everytime I see all the damn taxes the gubment takes out of my paycheck…so yes, I have a financial interest in these scum!

Yes, they are harming me and don’t answer “no” for me because you have no clue! In fact if you were a critical thinker you’d be pissed to that these leeches are sucking you dry to, unless of course you’re one of them that has had everything handed to you? Did mommy and daddy pay for your college? Mine didn’t, I worked my way through school and earned my Bachelor of Science on my own!

As for being “jealous” that’s rich, why on earth would I be jealous of such pathetic pieces of shiite! I’m proud of the fact I’ve worked for and earned everything I have, I’m a self made man, perhaps you are the jealous one and are projecting your feelings of inadequacy because you had everything handed to you as well, that you are not a self made man that can stand on his own two feet!

If shiite hits the fan these scum will be the first to go as they have never had to try and survive on their own, where I have had to and I’m a stronger and better person because of it, nothing to be jealous about there!

I don’t need to re-read my comments, I know exactly what I wrote and I stand by my comments.

Again, it is my business “bud” if they are sucking off the gubment teet because I pay for it out of every paycheck I EARN! Also, I know plenty about life, in fact I’m confident I’ve experienced more about life and its difficulties and how to overcome them then you could ever imagine, so what the hell do you know about life “bud”…obvious very little!

Liberty or Death on August 9, 2011 at 10:40 PM

Oh this sentence says it all … I’m in a debate with a moron who gets his facts from reality TV.

I was flipping through the channels when there was nothing to watch, I was laughing my ass off and yelling at the pathetic pukes, haven’t watched it since, however I have been known to watch Jerry Springer when I’m feeling down and want to feel better about things!

Yes, Mr. Liberty or Death – every “sugar baby” is exactly like the ones featured on your favorite show … you can paint them all with the same brush – because they all conform to the stereotype portrayed on television.

Never said it was my favorite show, now you’re putting words in my mouth, typical of someone losing an argument!

I’d say most of them are the same, they share the same entitlement mentality that thinks the world owes them something! So logically yes, I do believe they are all the same…losers and if you can’t see that your are naive and an idiot!

Uhm … okay then … time for bed.

HondaV65 on August 9, 2011 at 10:26 PM

Yep, run away and call me names and put words in my mouth because you know you’ve lost the argument! Typical, you must be a liberal troll!

Run along now, take your ball and go to bed…heh!

Liberty or Death on August 9, 2011 at 10:49 PM

Liberty or Death on August 9, 2011 at 10:16 PM

Never saw the show to which you refer. I have a life. What HondaV65 and I are saying, through our “small minds”, is that a woman should and does have the right to make her own decisions about how she wants to make a living or just get through life the best she can. As do us guys, by the way.

As long as no laws are broken in the process, it’s none of your fuc*ing business.

TXUS on August 9, 2011 at 10:52 PM

Well, that explains crr6′s absence as of late.

cue del dolemonte…crr6? are you better off now than you were a few years ago? /

ted c on August 9, 2011 at 6:47 PM

Sweeet…!

Liberty or Death on August 9, 2011 at 11:00 PM

Straight up prostitution. Deal with it, social cons.

John the Libertarian on August 9, 2011 at 11:04 PM

As long as no laws are broken in the process, it’s none of your fuc*ing business.

TXUS on August 9, 2011 at 10:52 PM

I realize what you and Honda were saying, but if you read my original comment I said nothing about prostitutes and them earning money for providing a service. I personally have nothing against protitution, I have never partaken in such services but I have nothing against the profession.

I was speaking of these new breeds of “sugar babies” that are too f-ing lazy to work and game the system, a system us hard working people are paying for with every paycheck! It was Honda that tried to make the argument for hookers and football players, and as I responded at least they work for their money unlike the thumbsucking “sugar baby” leeches!

So, sorry if I offended you but it really chaffes my hide when people read into what people are trying to communicate and get on their sanctimonious high horse like they know everything or have to try to tear down what other people say to try and make themselves seem better or smarter!

Again, I was speaking of the sugar babies in this article, not prostitutes or football players! As for “painting them all with the same brush” well I stand by my previous comment and that is these parasites ARE all the same, they all have the same entitlement mentality that believe the world owes them everything and they suck off of the rest of us!

I also agree that it is the men that continue to provide for these “sugar babies” that are perpetuating this circle but the truth of the matter is it is these entitlement leeches that are dragging this nation down the toilet…that is the BOTTOM LINE!

Liberty or Death on August 9, 2011 at 11:14 PM

Never saw the show to which you refer. I have a life. What HondaV65 and I are saying, through our “small minds”, is that a woman should and does have the right to make her own decisions about how she wants to make a living or just get through life the best she can. As do us guys, by the way.

As long as no laws are broken in the process, it’s none of your fuc*ing business.

TXUS on August 9, 2011 at 10:52 PM

Heh, first of all I do have a life, but thanks for asking! So you’ve never been flipping through channels trying to find something decent to watch and come along a show that has a train wreck in progress and couldn’t take your eyes off of it until the trains collided?

As do us guys huh? Well as I commented earlier I’m proud that I worked my way through school without gubment help or loans, been working since I was 13 and while it took a while and lots of hard work I didn’t take the easy way out. Again, I don’t have anything against prostitution as long as it isn’t hurting anyone, but then again prostitution is illegal in most of the US except for Nevada, therefore these prostitutes are involved in a criminal activity. I guess I too could have taken the easy way out and sold drugs, been a pimp, or been a scam artist but that would have been illegal not to mention taking the easy way out!

I know the economy is terrible right now but there are other opportunities out there if one works hard at it without having to resort to selling their bodies! In my opinion they are just lazy and taking the easy way out, but at least they are doing something for the money, unlike the lazy sugar baby leeches that don’t put out but expect something in return for NOTHING!!

Liberty or Death on August 9, 2011 at 11:30 PM

If Honda or TXUS need more proof that the “entitlement sugar babies” are killing our great nation, here’s more proof:

Future taxpayers of America demand gigantic welfare state!

This was the point I was trying to make in my comments, and the fact I read this on HA proves I don’t just get my information from reality shows as Honda claimed! But then again what do you expect from someone that puts words into people’s mouths and can’t grasp basic critical thinking and common sense!

Liberty or Death on August 9, 2011 at 11:38 PM

Never mind the mythical brilliant self-empowered entrepreneurial woman-of-the-world high-class escort. What about all those other whores: lazy drug addicted victims of their abusive violent pimps. Their “transactional relationships” degrade rapidly. At the end of the party, a train wreck of misery. How many come out ahead, how many end in oblivion?

Kenosha Kid on August 9, 2011 at 11:46 PM

Liberty or Death on August 9, 2011 at 11:30 PM

You owe me no explanation, your words but your own indictment.

TXUS on August 9, 2011 at 11:50 PM

unlike the lazy sugar baby leeches that don’t put out but expect something in return for NOTHING!!

Liberty or Death on August 9, 2011 at 11:30 PM

Serial wives are even worse. At least prostitutes negotiate up front and don’t take half.

John the Libertarian on August 9, 2011 at 11:58 PM

You owe me no explanation, your words but your own indictment.

TXUS on August 9, 2011 at 11:50 PM

I know I don’t owe you any explanation, just trying to ensure my words aren’t twisted or having someone elses words espoused as mine, like sugar babies being my favorite show, or that I get all my news and information from reality shows! I don’t mind being “indicted by my own words, but I sure as hell won’t stand for being “indicted” by someone elses words!

As for my words being “my own indictment” well then I guess the truth has become a crime because you obviously beleive I’m guilty for speaking the truth!

Liberty or Death on August 9, 2011 at 11:58 PM

Sorry, can’t help myself, but someone needs to post Sir Winston here.

Churchill: Madam, would you sleep with me for five million pounds?
Socialite: My goodness, Mr. Churchill… Well, I suppose… we would have to discuss terms, of course…
Churchill: Would you sleep with me for five pounds?
Socialite: Mr. Churchill, what kind of woman do you think I am?!
Churchill: Madam, we’ve already established that. Now we are haggling about the price.

Archimedes on August 10, 2011 at 12:09 AM

Serial wives are even worse. At least prostitutes negotiate up front and don’t take half.

John the Libertarian on August 9, 2011 at 11:58 PM

How true! Your comment proves the point I was trying to make earlier, with a prostitute they are providing sex for money, but with these sugar babies they are trying to get something for nothing!

I realize the sugar daddies that perpetuate the game are to blame as well, but the important point I believe Honda and TXUS are missing is the rise of these thumbsucking entitlement leeches are sucking us dry and are putting our nation on the express train to destruction!

When we run out of money to pay for these lazy entitlement leeches we will be having riots like they are in Europe right now!

Liberty or Death on August 10, 2011 at 12:09 AM

Archimedes on August 10, 2011 at 12:09 AM

Love it!

Liberty or Death on August 10, 2011 at 12:11 AM

Update: Just thought of this, too: What will these sugar babies do when the president taxes their millionaire and billionaire corporate-jet-owning sugar daddies into oblivion?

A falling tide lowers all boats.

James on August 10, 2011 at 12:11 AM

I’m all for all children taking a home economic, money management, and job skills course. It seems to me that those can be substituted for some of the more ridiculous requirements like gym class every single year (an IL requirement or art classes).. Jog or something in your free time.

Illinidiva on August 9, 2011 at 9:58 PM

I am all for these classes and they should be required for males and females.

Those classes were electives at the high school my brothers went to but my parents made sure they took those classes. Both of my brothers, looking back on it, said my parents were wise in forcing them to take those classes.

I never took them because by the time I reached high school, they were phased out. No body teaches these classes any more.

Conservative Samizdat on August 10, 2011 at 12:14 AM

the important point I believe Honda and TXUS are missing is the rise of these thumbsucking entitlement leeches are sucking us dry and are putting our nation on the express train to destruction!

Liberty or Death on August 10, 2011 at 12:09 AM

Wait. Are these public sugar babies? Where can I find one?

DarkCurrent on August 10, 2011 at 12:15 AM

Wait. Are these public sugar babies? Where can I find one?

DarkCurrent on August 10, 2011 at 12:15 AM

Heh, good one! I don’t know if they’re public sugar babies, but if they are they should be taxed heavily for all the money and gifts they’re getting for doing nothing!

Liberty or Death on August 10, 2011 at 12:22 AM

Archimedes on August 10, 2011 at 12:09 AM

But, Arch, we can’t forget these, when Churchill was speaking with Lady Nancy Astor:

“I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly.”

Then this colloquy:

Lady Nancy Astor: “Winston, if you were my husband, I’d poison your tea.”

Churchill: “Nancy, if I were your husband, I’d drink it.”

When we die, as we all will, is there a man among us who wouldn’t want to toss a Scotch with Churchill up there?

TXUS on August 10, 2011 at 12:33 AM

You know, women can be well educated and well travelled, interesting conversationalists, and highly intelligent and accomplished individuals without ever lowering themselves to selling their bodies.

But then why try to be a genuinely decent human being, somewhom who can respect herself and deserves the respect of others, if you can ply the world’s oldest trade and have some egotistical male a-hole dress it up as being classy and “inspirational?”

Now I understand why one of the biggest Palin nuts here worships his girl. He thinks she is attractive, and would like her to provide him a “service.”

Like I said. Some men really are total a-holes.

Meredith on August 10, 2011 at 12:55 AM

these sugar babies they are trying to get something for nothing!

Liberty or Death on August 10, 2011 at 12:09 AM

They are preying on the need for a man (or woman) to feel they are “in love”. It’s sick and twisted.

John the Libertarian on August 10, 2011 at 1:34 AM

I know a Russian high class Courtesan woman. Incredibly nice woman … incredibly educated (master’s degree in art). Conversations with her are amazing … she has been around the world – seen it all. She can teach a civilized man how to get down and dirty under the sheets – she can teach an un-civilized one how to behave at an opera – or how to open a bottle of champagne without making a fool of himself.

Some of these women pride themselves on being able to bring out the best in men – or inspire them – or to lead them to endeavors they would never consider. She told me once that … if she spends 48 hours with a gentleman – only about 45 minutes to an hour of that will even be remotely involved with sexual activity. The rest of the time, it’s romance … dining … and conversation.

I’d much rather have this woman as a sister – than to have any male journalist in the MSM as my brother.

HondaV65 on August 9, 2011 at 9:59 PM

I bet she’s built like a brick Kremlin! :) (I couldn’t resist!)

I love the word “Courtesan” here! She’s a HOOKER, an educated and refined one yes but still a HOOKER nonetheless. She’s PAID to be arm candy and make sure the “Little General storms San Juan Hill” and show her CLIENT an good time. These “sugar babies” are no different; price is not relevant.

Now I am not condemning her nor her profession but just pointing out that whatever term you use, Courtesan, hooker, sugar baby, gold-digger, whore, pro we are still dealing with the oldest profession.

These sugar-babies will come to realize that the game plays both ways; they are getting older with more expensive tastes, so why not dump them for a younger ‘cheaper’ model who will do what I want just as well if not better.

Bubba Redneck on August 10, 2011 at 3:41 AM

As someone seeking a job, I could see why women get desperate and go this route. I think that most want millionaire honeys anyways, but still the economy isn’t that great. First, relying on Mom and Dad really sucks when you are almost thirty. I seriously didn’t expect to be at home living with my parents when I was nearly thirty and just completed a masters degree. Secondly, I go down to these recruiters who totally tell me that I’m worthless and my MBA qualifies me to temp for $10/ hour making copies. And that I should totally be grateful for said jobs. Temping for $10/ hour means that I still get to spend the rest of my life living with Mom and Dad; plus, I get to put the sucky, dead end job with no career prospects. With those sorts of odds, I get why women want to become sugarbabies – although I wouldn’t.

Illinidiva on August 9, 2011 at 7:48 PM

Illini,

Let me lay some perspective on ya. Life ain’t fair. The economy sucks periodically. The people who succeed long-term are those who can suck it up, decide on a direction, and then go there with intense focus and without feeling sorry for themselves. Stop feeling sorry for yourself.

Neither my father nor my mother finished high school. They successfully raised seven children while my father worked up to three jobs. They never took a dime of government money. As a child, I collected cans and bottles for money. I learned to fight because I had the wrong skin color in neighborhood. Later, I cut grass, chopped wood and shoveled snow to buy groceries for my family. A family night out was when McDonald’s gave away cheeseburgers for A’s on report cards. I was responsible for getting straight A’s so the family could go out.

I could offer my wife nothing when I asked her to marry me. No education, no connections, but I had drive. After 22 years, I’ve gotten 5 degrees and started 3 businesses. I’ve served my country in combat. I have had several bumps and bruises along the way. I’ve failed repeatedly. And I’ve always gotten up again. And I’ve never taken a dime of government welfare.

Today, I’m one of the people our president derides as having “earned enough”. Screw him. I got here by determination, positive attitude, and humility. I knew I had to earn my “stripes”, because everybody told me that. Now I tell young people that.

Earn your damn stripes. If you think making copies is tough, please join the military and volunteer for combat. Or chop wood in the summer sun. And stop f#@&ing whining.

God Bless America.

Bigurn on August 10, 2011 at 4:16 AM

For every seller there must be a buyer or the system falls apart. But some things should not be for sale.

SKYFOX on August 10, 2011 at 7:49 AM

Bigurn on August 10, 2011 at 4:16 AM

Thank you. I really needed that right now. This is a strange reality we have currently, but your life lesson just might pull me through. I appreciate your services for our country and your hard work!

RDE2010 on August 10, 2011 at 7:52 AM

Well, that explains crr6′s absence as of late.
Very unchivalrous comment by ted c.

aengus on August 9, 2011 at 8:23 PM

I know, it hurts when coffee goes back up my nose…

/snort

MNHawk on August 10, 2011 at 8:37 AM

HondaV65 on August 9, 2011 at 8:42 PM

Virtue is hard.

Akzed on August 10, 2011 at 8:57 AM

The world as it is.

Saltysam on August 10, 2011 at 9:26 AM

For every seller there must be a buyer or the system falls apart. But some things should not be for sale.

SKYFOX on August 10, 2011 at 7:49 AM

Yeah, let’s outlaw water flowing downhill.

Saltysam on August 10, 2011 at 9:30 AM

Face it….
Most relationships boil down to how well your interests (male or female) are taken care of…
This is the way it has been since the days when most humans were hunter gatherers. If your needs are not being met most people move on dispite vows of everlasting love…

Kuffar on August 10, 2011 at 9:54 AM

How is this any different than marriage? Either way there is an exchange of goods for services. At least sugar babies won’t sue for alimony after the deal is done. They are the honest ones.

hanzblinx on August 10, 2011 at 11:21 AM

Temping for $10/ hour means that I still get to spend the rest of my life living with Mom and Dad; plus, I get to put the sucky, dead end job with no career prospects. With those sorts of odds, I get why women want to become sugarbabies – although I wouldn’t.

Illinidiva on August 9, 2011 at 7:48 PM

No, it means you’ll be living with your parents for now. Why do you think your present situation and temp jobs will be your permanent situation? We’re conservatives here; we’re supposed to believe in the value of hard work leading to the possibility of upward mobility.

SD on August 10, 2011 at 11:24 AM

Bigurn on August 10, 2011 at 4:16 AM

Amen.

SD on August 10, 2011 at 11:27 AM

Grow up. One way or ten, men pay for all the sex the ever have.

borntoraisehogs on August 10, 2011 at 11:29 AM

No, it means you’ll be living with your parents for now. Why do you think your present situation and temp jobs will be your permanent situation? We’re conservatives here; we’re supposed to believe in the value of hard work leading to the possibility of upward mobility.

SD on August 10, 2011 at 11:24 AM

Well that is a Pollyanna view. The reason why I went back to school is because the value of my hard work wasn’t being rewarded at my old job. I was stuck in the same dead end job that I worked for five years without going anywhere. I found that knowing how the smooze the right people and being able to take credit for other people’s work is more important in the corporate environment than being good at your job.

Also, copying and filing doesn’t qualify one for anything other than copying and filing. Even if the economy were to get better, I’d be screwed when I’d have to tell them that I spent the last however many years doing menial office work… That takes you out of the running for any sort of real job.

My point is and what people have failed to pick up on is that Obama has screwed up the economy so much and it is failing to create jobs and the jobs that are being created are crappy and temporary. Someone with five years experience and a MBA should be able to find a real finance job, not a job that a high school drop out could do.

JadeNYU mentions spending 2.5 years making Starbucks coffee. I know that people have applauded her from being thirfty, but my point is that she probably didn’t take out massive loans at NYU to become a barista. You don’t need a college degree for that. You don’t even need a GED for that. Those are the only sorts of jobs being created in this economy.

Illinidiva on August 10, 2011 at 12:15 PM

Let me lay some perspective on ya. Life ain’t fair. The economy sucks periodically. The people who succeed long-term are those who can suck it up, decide on a direction, and then go there with intense focus and without feeling sorry for themselves. Stop feeling sorry for yourself.

Well, right now.. It seems like Obama has screwed up the economy so much that I’m going to spend my life flipping burgers at McDonalds. So yeah, I get to feel sorry for myself. I get that people are all yeah! Pollyanna! and yeah! Horatio Alger! but there are also tons of people who work hard, totally get screwed at every corner, and end up spending their lives in the same dead end.

Earn your damn stripes. If you think making copies is tough, please join the military and volunteer for combat. Or chop wood in the summer sun. And stop f#@&ing whining.

Yeah… copying isn’t hard. That’s the whole point. People who didn’t finish high school could do it. My whole point is that I am trying to build a career here. And temping as mentioned above is more likely than not to get me a corporate finance career. It’s more likely to lead to a career as an entry level corporate drone. Also, it was pretty humiliating for a recruiter to get all pissy on me when I saw no thanks to a job that is way beneath my skill level and say that I should be “grateful” for a job that will lead absolutely nowhere at all.

Also, you don’t want me in the military. I’m 5’2″ and weigh 100 lbs; I cannot even give blood at a blood drive.

Illinidiva on August 10, 2011 at 12:24 PM

Illinidiva on August 10, 2011 at 12:15 PM

BS. It’s a realistic view. It represents the experience of many, many Americans. Quit whining, find work that’s available, and keep looking for something better. And concentrate on getting President Downgrayed out of office.

SD on August 10, 2011 at 1:14 PM

Also, it was pretty humiliating for a recruiter to get all pissy on me when I saw no thanks to a job that is way beneath my skill level and say that I should be “grateful” for a job that will lead absolutely nowhere at all.

This says it all. If you’re unemployed then no job is beneath you. Lose your entitlement mentality. Menial jobs lead to other, better jobs for those with initiative. This is the way the world works.

SD on August 10, 2011 at 1:17 PM

BS. It’s a realistic view. It represents the experience of many, many Americans. Quit whining, find work that’s available, and keep looking for something better. And concentrate on getting President Downgrayed out of office.

SD on August 10, 2011 at 1:14 PM

No… mine is the more realistic view of corporate America. Generally, once you start, answering phones and copying – then that is about all you get to do. Recruiters don’t suddenly decide the $10/ hour copy person should totally be interviewed for a salaried MBA level position… eyes roll.

This says it all. If you’re unemployed then no job is beneath you. Lose your entitlement mentality. Menial jobs lead to other, better jobs for those with initiative. This is the way the world works.

SD on August 10, 2011 at 1:17 PM

I don’t have children or a house payment or even student loans, so some jobs are definitely beneath me. I’m not spounging off the government and am even volunteering at a non-for-profit while I look for an acceptable job. And no – such jobs don’t lead to better jobs even with initiative. If you start copying and answering phones at reception, then recruiters assume that this is all you are capable of doing. And people in-house generally ignore the temporary peons, especially at companies that feel okay with using incredibly overqualified people for high school drop out positions.

Illinidiva on August 10, 2011 at 1:39 PM

Listen, know-it-all grad student. You’re talking to people here who have actual work experience, who’ve been there and done it. You’re just blowing smoke based on very limited experience and college nonsense about “corporate America.” Now it’s sad, I suppose, that daddy’s little princess can’t start at the top of the ladder, but if you think learning on the job is beneath your grandeur, then you’ll get what you deserve.

SD on August 10, 2011 at 1:49 PM

Listen, know-it-all grad student. You’re talking to people here who have actual work experience, who’ve been there and done it. You’re just blowing smoke based on very limited experience and college nonsense about “corporate America.” Now it’s sad, I suppose, that daddy’s little princess can’t start at the top of the ladder, but if you think learning on the job is beneath your grandeur, then you’ll get what you deserve.

SD on August 10, 2011 at 1:49 PM

Daddy’s little princess is 29 years old and has five years corporate experience. They don’t let people with less than that into MBA programs. That means that Daddy’s little princess has actually worked in a corporate environment for quite a few years and perhaps picked up a thing or two about corporate culture. It’s not “college nonsense” that I’m spewing here; it’s stuff I learned from working in a cubicle for five years before returning to school. Yes, it isn’t twenty years, but it certainly is enough to learn a thing or two about corporate culture.

I tried looking for a job in finance before returning to school, but was shot down because my five years experience in a niche finance role was the wrong sort of experience for a regular FP&A role, even an entry level one. I was hoping that the MBA in finance would counterbalance that and I don’t want to make the same mistake twice. Copying and answering phones based on my previous job search experience is not going to lead me to being offered actual salaried positions within the Finance Department. It’s going to be sorry and wow – what a loser.

Illinidiva on August 10, 2011 at 2:06 PM

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