Horrendous: 31 U.S. troops, most from SEAL Team 6, killed when Taliban shoots down helicopter
posted at 12:21 pm on August 6, 2011 by Allahpundit
Thirty-eight are dead in all, including seven Afghan troops who were aboard. As many as 25 of the Americans were SEALs and a majority of them reportedly were from Team 6 — the same unit that got Bin Laden. Whether any of the men on that mission were killed today, the White House hasn’t said (yet). In almost 10 years of war, it’s the single deadliest incident for U.S. soldiers by far, and these were the very best of the best. I’m trying to find solace in the fact that those numbers are small compared to terrible days in previous wars, but I’m not finding it.
The cause: A Taliban RPG.
The helicopter was hit by a rocket-propelled grenade in the Tangi Valley of the Wardak Province just west of Kabul, the coalition official said. The Taliban claimed credit for the attack…
There were conflicting accounts about when the helicopter went down. A spokesman for the Taliban, Zabiullah Mujahid, said insurgents shot down the helicopter around 11 p.m. Friday as it was starting an operation on a house where the militants were gathering in the Tangi Joyee region of the district of Saidabad in the eastern part of the province. Eight militants were killed in the fight, which continued after the helicopter fell, Mr. Mujahid said…
Gen. Abdul Qayum Baqizoy, police chief of Wardak, said the operation began around 1 a.m. Saturday as NATO and Afghan forces attacked a Taliban compound in Jaw-e-mekh Zareen village in the Tangi Valley. The firefight lasted at least two hours, the general said.
“It was at the end of the operation that one of the NATO helicopters crashed,” he said. “We don’t know yet the cause of the crash, and we don’t know how many NATO soldiers were on board.”
Question for military readers: How low must the helicopter have been to be within range of an RPG? From what I understand, 200 meters or less is optimal for an attack, but if it was that low I assume the altitude plus the pilot’s maneuvering would save some of the people on board. Instead, catastrophe. Was this a lucky hit when the chopper was at a higher altitude or was this some other weapon entirely? CSM considers the ominous implications:
If the helicopter was shot down, it could have significant implications for the war effort. Insurgents have hit helicopters in the past, but never in any great numbers. If today’s crash is an isolated incident, it is unlikely to significantly affect the direction of the war or American public perception, despite the magnitude of casualties that included so many highly trained commandos. But if it marks the beginning of a trend in which insurgents use advanced anti-aircraft weapons, it could cost NATO crucial air superiority…
“This technology and how the Taliban have accessed it raise the question from where and from what sources were they able to get such technology,” says Waliullah Rahmani, executive director of the Kabul Center for Strategic Studies. “If the Taliban is able to get regular access to these technologies, it will certainly have a significant, unfortunately dangerous effects for the future of the war in Afghanistan.”
Hmmm. I wonder who’d want to supply the Taliban with weapons like that.
Here’s the inevitable “will this encourage a faster withdrawal from Afghanistan?” piece. The answer to that depends on the answer to CSM’s question of what brought the chopper down, I think.
Update: At least 20 members of Team 6 are dead. It’s the biggest loss of life the unit has ever suffered.
Update: According to Fox, there may be as many as 300 men in Team 6. The unit hasn’t been wiped out, but it’s obviously suffered a grievous loss.
Update: An eyewitness account:
Mansour Majab, a resident of the area, said he saw four to six helicopters in the village around 2 a.m. Saturday morning, as he rose for a pre-dawn meal before beginning his dawn-to-dusk fast during the Muslim holy month of Ramadan.
An hour later, Mr. Majab said, he “heard a rocket shot” and went up to his roof to see what was happening. “We saw a helicopter was shot down and it was set on fire,” he said…
Poorly armed insurgents have rarely had success in shooting down U.S. helicopters in Afghanistan.
Update: Conspiracy theories are bound to rage about Team 6 taking such a heavy hit so soon after they cut off the head of the snake. One commenter’s already raised the possibility of local jihadis or Pakistan being tipped off to the fact that Team 6 members would be on this raid. Note the quoted bit above about four to six helicopters in the village, though; was everyone on board those choppers a Team 6 member or did the enemy just get fantastically lucky in hitting the one that happened to carry men from the unit?
Update: Pentagon sources tell Fox News they don’t believe any of the men from Team 6 who were killed today were part of the Bin Laden raid.









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This is the equivalent of losing an aircraft carrier. If these reports are correct, an entire Assault Squadron has been taken offline.
NSW Development Group is a National Asset.
Froggy on August 6, 2011 at 12:26 PM
Deeply saddening.
But were they targeted for who they were or just unlucky?
Strick on August 6, 2011 at 12:26 PM
sad these guys got bin Laden and then got sent right back out to die while Obama took credit.
I really hope that the guy that Shot Bin Laden isnt dead. That would be tragic if he never got his due.
William Amos on August 6, 2011 at 12:27 PM
Find out who supplied it and let the carpet bombing begin. We need to let these animals know that in spite of a weaka$$ douchebag as our POSPOTUS we are done F*&king around.
VegasRick on August 6, 2011 at 12:27 PM
RIP…
RedSoxNation on August 6, 2011 at 12:28 PM
God bless those brave souls who stood in harms way for us. The country will not forgot, and I am hoping everything will be done to take care of the bereaved families. It is really a very sad day.
bayview on August 6, 2011 at 12:29 PM
ISI
Aquateen Hungerforce on August 6, 2011 at 12:29 PM
http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2007/06/document_iran_c.html
William Amos on August 6, 2011 at 12:31 PM
Terrible. It’s so hard to find men like these and to lose so many at once…
We need to find out where the bad guys are getting their arms, but I don’t think anything will be done about it until Obama is out of office.
fiatboomer on August 6, 2011 at 12:32 PM
Nothing but a deep abiding sadness for the loss of great men.
mauioriginal on August 6, 2011 at 12:32 PM
Godspeed, warriors.
We are all significantly poorer today without you here.
This just puts an awful end to an awful week.
turfmann on August 6, 2011 at 12:32 PM
The news keeps going from bad to worse. Rest in peace, heroes.
Exurban Jon on August 6, 2011 at 12:33 PM
We are having the worst week ever. I hope pay back is hell.
Cindy Munford on August 6, 2011 at 12:33 PM
RIP you wonderful SEAL’s team and all others who were murdered. God hold you in His arms and comfort your families. My heart is saddened so bad to hear this news.
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letget on August 6, 2011 at 12:34 PM
I suspect Iran would give the Taliban anything they want. The Russians wouldn’t and the Chinese wouldn’t because they have their own Islamist radical problems.
KW64 on August 6, 2011 at 12:34 PM
Just knowing that these douchebags are likely already crowing of this having been binLaden’s revenge from the grave turns my stomach.
Ryan Anthony on August 6, 2011 at 12:34 PM
It seems like it would be a good idea to split up the “cargo” a little more. Use more helicopters. But, heh, I’m no expert.
RBMN on August 6, 2011 at 12:35 PM
Very sad. This is terrible news.
portlandon on August 6, 2011 at 12:36 PM
Truly sad.
Rest well, American heroes.
Revenant on August 6, 2011 at 12:37 PM
Rest in peace. The best of the best…
ladyingray on August 6, 2011 at 12:38 PM
What I am worried about is that cutbacks forced them to do this operation this way rather than having enough helos.
William Amos on August 6, 2011 at 12:40 PM
RIP you brave souls!
bluemarlin on August 6, 2011 at 12:40 PM
It wasn’t an RPG.
OldSarg on August 6, 2011 at 12:41 PM
RIP brave ones…..God has a special place in Heaven for you..
:-(
sicoit on August 6, 2011 at 12:41 PM
Eternal rest grant unto them O Lord,
And let Perpetual Light shine upon them.
May their Souls
And the Souls of all the faithful departed
Through the Mercy of God
Rest in Peace.
Amen.
Zorro on August 6, 2011 at 12:41 PM
I pray for all our troops in harms way or not and thank God they are protecting us. This hurts.
Herb on August 6, 2011 at 12:42 PM
Amen.
sicoit on August 6, 2011 at 12:42 PM
… and Al Qaeda claimed credit for the Norway attack.
This could be Iran, Pakistan, lucky shot, or anyone.
faraway on August 6, 2011 at 12:42 PM
RIP defenders of America.
Tim_CA on August 6, 2011 at 12:43 PM
I wish I did not have to say this, but I no longer believe this to be true. The country will forget. This country is bankrupt in more ways than just money. I’ll pray for the SEALS that are left and for the families robbed of their sons, but I no longer believe America possesses the decency or honor to deserve the sacrifice of these brave individuals.
MikeA on August 6, 2011 at 12:43 PM
Oh, how awful.
MayBee on August 6, 2011 at 12:43 PM
This is a deeply painful loss. I’m just stunned.
myrenovations on August 6, 2011 at 12:47 PM
I wonder if this was a targeted attack.
RIP hero’s.
derft on August 6, 2011 at 12:49 PM
What a painful, humbling loss. Godspeed to our greatest men.
Jaibones on August 6, 2011 at 12:50 PM
Why so many in one helicopter is a good question. I think that it was a surely a local command decision. And, that they had enough resources on hand not to put so many in one helicopter. My guess is that they were using a Chinook. I hope we make them pay dearly for the American lives that have been lost. But I question whether our role in Afghanistan needs to come to an end. Do he Afghans really want to be saved from the Taliban? If they do, then they need to step up and do the job.
SC.Charlie on August 6, 2011 at 12:51 PM
And where is the Commander in Chief? Camp David. What does he have to say about this? Nothing.
RadClown on August 6, 2011 at 12:51 PM
It’s not a matter of where the chopper was or how high, it’s a matter of the enemy having their weapon in the right place at the right time. A helo with SEAL Team 6 on it? An extra-high value target these days, no? Some informant got a nice payday. Hopefully he doesn’t live long enough to enjoy it.
curved space on August 6, 2011 at 12:54 PM
If you’ve never seen “Army Air Crews” on line. They never post until they are certain of facts. They also never post names until the families know. This is what they’ve already posted. ISAF as the unit may mean that is the only command they can confirm or that they were special operations crews that they will not identify. Once the command such as the 160s gives the okay, they normally edit the incident.
25 SEALs, 5 crewman, 7 Afghani Commandos and a military canine.
hawkdriver on August 6, 2011 at 12:55 PM
This.
My guess would be an Iranian copy of the Strela type shoulder launched anti-aircraft missile.
http://conflictiran.blogspot.com/2006/04/iran-made-misagh2-missile.html
Rebar on August 6, 2011 at 12:57 PM
+1. I’m ready to say turn out the lights, the party is over. Go read some of the comments on the CNN website’s reporting of this if you want to be disgusted. I couldn’t close the page fast enough.
10-25% of us (maybe more) won’t just forget, but, from reading that CNN junk, almost seem to be celebrating a little bit inside because some “war tools” (direct quote) were lost. Not to mention the pro-Allah posters, probably here in America, truly praising their deaths.
To those who lost sons and brothers and fathers: God bless you and your families. Some of us are still thankful for you, and we haven’t stopped praying.
rogerb on August 6, 2011 at 12:57 PM
I know you never address comments from me but it’s based on aircraft capabilities. We in the Blackhawk community have conceded that the CH and MH47 is a better performer at the higher altitudes and can carry more. It’s all about the age old objective of ammassing firepower in a location as fast as you can.
While we hate to abdicate our role in the Air Assault mission to “anyone”, you’re a fool to fight physics. 47s (although the MH is a heavy beast) are more capable at higher altitudes/elevations.
hawkdriver on August 6, 2011 at 1:00 PM
My heart and prayers go out to these men, their families and friends, and our country. Heroes they are…to all of us.
I’d bet on the targeted. I just have a gut feeling this was deliberate, and they knew exactly who they were firing apon. If this is the first use of more advanced technology, and suspicion is already ensuing….I’d bet dollars to donuts this was intentional, and the targets were intentional.
capejasmine on August 6, 2011 at 1:01 PM
These brave men put the hurt on the enemy every day and went out doing just that. Our nation mourns their loss and is grateful for their service and sacrifice. God bless them and their families.
Christien on August 6, 2011 at 1:01 PM
I’ve wanted to pull out of Afghanistan for some time–it is backward, barbaric, and unsalvageable. that seems to have no desire to save itself. But when something like this is done, I don’t believe in simply pulling out–I want to send an loud and clear message to these animals. My response to this is the same as my response on 9/12–saying it would probably get me banned.
DrMagnolias on August 6, 2011 at 1:02 PM
“It is foolish and wrong to mourn the men who died. Rather, we should thank God that such men lived.”
by George Patton
http://www.quotedb.com/quotes/191
Jazz Shaw on August 6, 2011 at 1:02 PM
Is the Commander-in-Chief supposed to comment about every horrible event in this conflict. This news is just breaking and all the facts are not clear. All we know is that around 36 American soldiers died trying to fight in a country to defend a corrupt government from a horrid strain of Islam called the Taliban. Frankly, if they want to be saved from the Taliban they need to step up to the plate and fight.
SC.Charlie on August 6, 2011 at 1:03 PM
Maybe they got the weapons from the US?
US May Supply Gaddafi Rebels With Weapons
http://news.sky.com/home/world-news/article/15959909
Libyan rebels sell weapons to Al Qaeda: Report
The militant group has already received heavy weaponry and air defence missiles from the Libyan rebels, the L’Expression newspaper said quoting a source from the Algerian security forces.
http://news.smashits.com/644784/Libyan-rebels-sell-weapons-to-Al-Qaeda:-Report.htm
JellyToast on August 6, 2011 at 1:04 PM
It would not be the first time. Most folks I know are pretty sure Flipper75 was brought down simultaineously by an RPG and Iranian like SA16 shot from two different locations.
If we find out this is another Iranian supplied IR missile “of any type”, we should carpet bomb the Iranian nuclear facilities until you can’t even see the burn marks.
hawkdriver on August 6, 2011 at 1:05 PM
Amen. Samuel Adams said, “All might be free if they valued freedom, and defended it as they should.”
DrMagnolias on August 6, 2011 at 1:07 PM
SC.Charlie on August 6, 2011 at 1:03 PM
Two words. Beer summit.
derft on August 6, 2011 at 1:07 PM
Iran? My husband has told me, that there are vendors from all different kind of countries, present in Afghanistan. It’s not like Afghanistan produces anything. You get fruit from Pakistan, shipped in, you get soap powder to do laundry from Iran etc……this stuff get’s shipped into Afghanistan, how well are the shipments searched?
Dr Evil on August 6, 2011 at 1:09 PM
The Muslim world is holy mess. God help us all. All the power of the American military can’t begin to remove the mess that they live in. Heck we can’t even get our own house in order.
SC.Charlie on August 6, 2011 at 1:10 PM
NUKE the $%#^ out of that place and then leave.
artist on August 6, 2011 at 1:10 PM
I’d be on the same banned wagon with you.
God be with those brave souls and their families.
TxAnn56 on August 6, 2011 at 1:10 PM
An awful, painful reminder that we are at war in Afghanistan.
And those men are really dead. For what and/or who?
Asymmetric warfare does not work. Form the line, and push forward until the enemy is reduced in capability and numbers. That’s how you win a war. See “Any war before 1946″. Every asymmetric war we’ve been involved in has resulted in one of two outcomes:
We lost, or we’re still there.
BobMbx on August 6, 2011 at 1:12 PM
Yep. A message clear as glass.
Socmodfiscon on August 6, 2011 at 1:12 PM
This is why Obama’s public celebration of the killing of Bin Laden was so wrong. Identifying the unit that took part in the raid made those men targets, made it personal. It was an unconscionable breach of operational security to reveal that information.
EVERYTHING Obama does is detrimental to US national interests.
If Iran was an important part of this raid, there has to be a price for that participation.
Skandia Recluse on August 6, 2011 at 1:12 PM
Thank you for reading through the typos. This has really shaken me (I know that is true for many of us).
DrMagnolias on August 6, 2011 at 1:14 PM
Or we could surrender, offer an open hand of dialogue, and then give a really nice speech in Tehran.
BobMbx on August 6, 2011 at 1:14 PM
You have tremendous insight. :)
DrMagnolias on August 6, 2011 at 1:15 PM
Mark Levin says it everyday.
BobMbx on August 6, 2011 at 1:15 PM
Awful.
JammieWearingFool on August 6, 2011 at 1:16 PM
Aquateen Hungerforce,
This. The Pakistanis are still fuming about the Bin Laden raid. What better way to get payback then by targeting the SEAL team that pulled it off.
Mike Honcho on August 6, 2011 at 1:16 PM
God, Please Bless those killed, and comfort their families.
LegendHasIt on August 6, 2011 at 1:17 PM
Tragic and truly sad. To bad Obama and the Democrats have no interest in our Military,(other than forcing homsexuals on them) no gratitude, no money to help keep them safe informed and equiped. I suggest a well placed nuke at satans home (aka as Mecca) would be a step in the right direction. Closing all the US Mosque would be another worthy gesture.
SANTA on August 6, 2011 at 1:18 PM
Words can’t describe how bad this is. If the official story is too be believed, this has to be more than a lucky shot. As with the CIA drone team that was taken out by an Al-Qaeda double agent, this has to have been the culmination of a lot of planning.
I can’t imagine why we would be flying around so many of our best people together in such a hostile area. Even the risk of mechanical failure seems to great to take with this many rockstars on board. Can one of our resident vets explain if this is commonplace?
Kataklysmic on August 6, 2011 at 1:19 PM
What was I thinking?
hawkdriver on August 6, 2011 at 1:19 PM
How is Iran involved? And, what price should they pay?
If the Afghans don’t want to save themselves from the Taliban why are we spilling our blood and spending our money?
SC.Charlie on August 6, 2011 at 1:19 PM
http://www.navysealmemorial.org/
djn on August 6, 2011 at 1:20 PM
Roger that, hawk. And may God bless these brave warriors and their families and I pray that their deaths be avenged, quickly and mercilessly.
TXUS on August 6, 2011 at 1:22 PM
An RPG sounds unlikely. Maybe a MANPAD (e.g., SA-7). The globe is lousy with them.
Loss of shipmates is never easy to take. God bless and keep their families.
J.E. Dyer on August 6, 2011 at 1:23 PM
Sad to say, it’s the same story in the comments at the C-BS “News” link. Many there say this is all the fault of the “military-industrial complex”.
Del Dolemonte on August 6, 2011 at 1:23 PM
Horrendous indeed. Hearts are in pieces today, words are hard to find. God bless.
And if that dirty little tyrant in Iran had anything to do with it I hope there’s hell to pay.
scalleywag on August 6, 2011 at 1:24 PM
Ah, give the poor guy a break. He has been partying hard for three days, celebrating that ‘historic’ birthday of his.
Give him a chance to rest and detox, and he will read something nice about them off a teleprompter.
LegendHasIt on August 6, 2011 at 1:26 PM
If it were not a raid, it could have been a team rotation. Logistics require considerations for movement. Strategic considerations within the unit would seem to dictate to them that they wouldn’t put everyone in one aircraft. But that’s all academic to the facts. If it were a team rotataion, they probably wouldn’t have been traveling with their Afghani counterparts. There would have been a bigger mixture of personnal gear and probably fewer team memebers. And all indications are that it was a raid.
So, you’re back to the consideration of amassing firepower fast. A 47 that can fly and land at higher altitudes/elevations as opposed to Several Blackhawks that may have to go with smaller (Aircraft Loads) ACLs and need a bigger LZ.
Tactics and logistics rule the battlefield.
hawkdriver on August 6, 2011 at 1:26 PM
Today we cry. Tomorrow (hopefully) payback for those who delivered sophisticated weapons to the Taliban.How about canceling Tehran!
MaiDee on August 6, 2011 at 1:27 PM
If we had a critical press this loss might finally cause Obama’s War Powers Act violation to finally be addressed. Read the article. NATO this and NATO that:
So those weren’t US troops, obviously. Says so here, too: /
But I’m sure it will be ignored. If the press and Congress doesn’t care, why should the people?
rogerb on August 6, 2011 at 1:28 PM
Great idea ……………….. then what? Not that I would not like to see a regime change in Iran.
SC.Charlie on August 6, 2011 at 1:30 PM
Like I said, and for what it was worth.
hawkdriver on August 6, 2011 at 1:30 PM
If so, it would be to bait us into escalation, and keep us mired down in Afghanistan. People don’t get it, the Paks have turned the War on Terror into a franchise- a cottage enterprise. They make money off of us being staged in Afghanistan. No war on terror, and Uncle Sam turns off the money spiket. In fact we already have started turning off dollars to Pakistan, after their last move against us. Paks rely on international welfare.
I say we leave, and let them back to their civil war. India is our ally, and they have nukes too. If we need to stage our troops somewhere in the geographic area there are other “Stans” we can use – we don’t have to stay in the land time forgot.
Dr Evil on August 6, 2011 at 1:31 PM
Quoted wrong comment.
hawkdriver on August 6, 2011 at 1:31 PM
Rest in peace.
As for the whys……there is no reason. It is the chaos rule. You are either walking out or not.
Limerick on August 6, 2011 at 1:32 PM
If it’s a matter of “getting lucky,” then having 4 – 6 helicopters to shoot at certainly improves the odds of the Taliban getting lucky. I wonder if separating the choppers better might have made them less of a target.
Impossible to say from here, of course. A salute to those brave men, and prayers for their families who will be missing them.
didymus on August 6, 2011 at 1:32 PM
Thanks for the insight, Hawk.
Kataklysmic on August 6, 2011 at 1:33 PM
BRAVE AMERICAN HEROES…..dying in a war that the Politicians in D.C. won’t win.
…another legacy of George W. Bush.
Put American troops to die by the thousands in a country that doesn’t want to be saved (pulled out of the 7th Century). A nation ruled by corruption and feudal lords and tribes.
Terrible waste of American Treasure. :-(
PappyD61 on August 6, 2011 at 1:35 PM
Know it would never happen, particularly with the Party Boy in Chief, but I’d like to give JSOC and Dev Gru a blank check and complete authorization to track down whomever is responsible and wherever it takes us, and to develop, plan, and execute the mission(s) to eliminate the targets using whatever support and assets this nation has at its disposal.
TXUS on August 6, 2011 at 1:38 PM
The US armed forces concern for the lives of their men is the same as the US government’s concern for the lives of it’s people.
Eh..
31 troops on one chopper? Sooner or later, disaster will result. Don’t put that many guys on one ship. If you do, expect to lose them.
And they do so expect.
Same with the IED proliferation in Iraq.
Keep driving helpless vehicles packed with soldiers down the same roads. By all means.
If our guys die, so be it.
And thus, they die. Our best men. Thousands of them, entire brigades. For nothing but the lack of flexible thinking and tactics of the simplest kind.
Well, that’s the way the machine is designed to operate, it’s a shame to say.
Mission first, if you die, you die. No way to stomp that out all the way, but we could damn sure do a better job of it than we do now, IMO.
rightwingyahooo on August 6, 2011 at 1:38 PM
So by your logic all monsters outside our borders are off limits. It is a no-no to ventilate a population of them because the ground beneath their feet isn’t ours. Good luck in that fort of yours.
Limerick on August 6, 2011 at 1:39 PM
FTA…emphasis mine….
But I find the rumor interesting.
Fighton03 on August 6, 2011 at 1:39 PM
Without offering any real appeals to authority, I’ll have to agree that it is unlikely that this was done with an RPG.
Our weapons employment training manuals specifically note the inaccuracy of RPGs (even our own significantly better gear) and recommend employment of multiple rockets in series as well as <300m as an engagement area. Back blast permitting, I wouldn't want to have my life depend on hitting something further than 150m away and smaller than a tank.
Even in takeoff and landing, hitting a helicopter is difficult. Hitting it at range and likely with a plunging trajectory is harder. If a national actor is responsible for arming our enemies I pray we have the sense to treat them as enemies.
God bless our special operators.
blankminde on August 6, 2011 at 1:40 PM
Make the area glass.
This must have been an inside job, likely Pakistani.
To think that the scum of the Earth are dancing/yelling with joy makes one’s blood curdle.
What would Ronald Reagan do now?
How are the left going to crow about “Obama got Osama” now?
This president is beyond an eunuch.
Party on, Pimp of a superb Carnival.
The world destructs while you congo.
Schadenfreude on August 6, 2011 at 1:42 PM
My husband was just telling me we gave the Afghans SAMS when they were fighting the Soviets.
Dr Evil on August 6, 2011 at 1:42 PM
Heartbreaking news. The best of the best.
Ted Torgerson on August 6, 2011 at 1:42 PM
I wonder if the ISI had an old stinger laying around.
keep the change on August 6, 2011 at 1:45 PM
PappyD61 while I do agree with SOME of your conclusions, I think you are blaming the WRONG politician. Afghanistan was the “right” war, remember? Virtually all the DEMOCRATIC congressmen (including former Senator) Barack Obama said so. And now ESIC (Empty Suit In Charge) is REMFing up this war big time.
MaiDee on August 6, 2011 at 1:45 PM
There’s no way that this wasn’t the Pakistani ISI trying to take revenge for Seal Team Six killing OBL. Not that they’ll ever be brought to justice like OBL was. This is BS.
KaneKaizer on August 6, 2011 at 1:52 PM
I don’t believe those comments represent even close to the majority view in America. The Left is malevolent and eager to spew their evil onto everyone else, in part because it satisfies them, and in part because it demoralizes us. If it helps, I teach hundreds of students (college) every year, and I hear a great deal of respect for the military among them. They aren’t all brain-dead Obamabots.
That isn’t close to what he said. I suspect Pappy wouldn’t care if we wiped out the whole damnable lot of them, but this absurd “nation-building” results in the loss of our noblest men.
DrMagnolias on August 6, 2011 at 1:52 PM
Obviously this was some anti-aircraft missile or rocket and it had to have come from Iran.
“Smart Diplomacy” is what Obama calls it.
Adjoran on August 6, 2011 at 1:53 PM
Have to disagree about the IEDs. With whatever one thinks about the wars, they are for better or worse boots on the ground conflicts. Troops need to move on the ground. The chief mistake with the Russians was that they thought they could move to isolated installation via air. Stinger missiles from the US said otherwise.
We’ve already had a successful implementation of tactics that thwarded IED use almost entirely in Iraq. It was called, “Killing the F@ckers Who Implace Them”. The actual program might have had a slightly different official operational name, but I’m getting forgetful and might be a little off.
But seriously, in Iraq, Apaches from my Brigade 1-82 Wolfpack were allowed to kill emplacers demonstrating any and or all behaviors that indicated they were setting up IED ambush sites. IED emplacers became more afraid of 30mm and Hellfire missile than anything else. The road became much safer to travel. With American soldiers able to travel more freely, they were more effective.
The answer is to change the ROE back and allow engagements more liberally. If they dig in the road at night, kill em. If they run wires, kill em. If they make HME in their homes, kill em. Currently, you pretty much need to observe them from beginning to end. Rarely is one guy responsible for every step in setting the IED site up.
hawkdriver on August 6, 2011 at 1:53 PM
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