Brutal: Disapproval of Congress now at 82%

posted at 9:56 pm on August 4, 2011 by Allahpundit

Historically brutal. And almost perfectly in line with CNN’s poll from a few days ago. If you’re looking for a political legacy to the debt-ceiling standoff, there you go: In 35 years, faith in the country’s chief democratic branch has never, ever been lower.

More than four out of five people surveyed said that the recent debt-ceiling debate was more about gaining political advantage than about doing what is best for the country. Nearly three-quarters said that the debate had harmed the image of the United States in the world…

But by a ratio of more than two to one, Americans said that creating jobs should be a higher priority than spending cuts

“Cutting spending is important, but getting people back to work is more important,” said Diane Sherrell, 56, a Republican from Erwin, N.C. “If people are working, they are more productive. There is less crime, there is less depression, there is less divorce. There are less hospital and medical bills. If you put people back to work, you are cutting spending.”

Reading that boldface part, I wonder what the public’s reaction would be if Obama made a sustained case for a new stimulus to stop the economic bleeding. They’d laugh, probably; by overpromising on Stimulus I and then outsourcing it to Congress to pork it up, Obama destroyed his shot at a second dip. But in the abstract, notwithstanding worries about deficits, voters seem willing to do almost anything to dent unemployment. You blew your chance, champ.

I’m going to give you some of the key numbers; turn on a night light before proceeding because most of them are scarier than a Stephen King novel. The obligatory caveat about the sample: Democrats have an eight-point advantage, which seems a few points larger than it should be. But (a) Democrats also had an eight-point advantage in the poll taken on 4/15, so you can use that month’s data as a baseline for comparison (in fact, eight points is in line with most recent NYT samples), and (b) utter disgust with both parties may be affecting the sample this month. Independents are at 39 percent, the highest number in 20 years of Times polling.

The one bright spot from the crosstabs:

Wonderful news! By comparison, in the CNN poll this week, just 13 percent wanted deeper cuts. But wait:

Think Obama’s going to cave next time on the Bush tax cuts with data like that in his pocket and knowing that his base is utterly desperate for him to take a stand? Imagine what faith in government will look like once we reach that unholy standoff.

As for who would have gotten most of the blame had we hit the ceiling, surprise:

Let’s call that chart, “Why Boehner and McConnell took the deal.” Nor is that the only case where The One is off the hook, more or less:

Obama’s numbers are up — but so are Bush’s, a likely byproduct of the recent focus on revenues as a partial solution to the deficit problem and the shortfall created by the Bush tax cuts.

But here’s the toughest political data for grassroots conservatives:


According to CBS, “Among Republicans, the drop in favorability is steeper: Favorable views of the Tea Party have dropped 18 points since April, to 41 percent.” Again, the partisan spread in today’s sample is the same as it was in April, and even so you’re seeing a double-digit jump in disapproval for the tea party and a double-digit jump in the number who think tea partiers have too much influence in the GOP. How you square that with the heavy public support for deeper cuts, I’m not sure. It may be that the public sympathizes with broad tea-party goals but objects to using the debt ceiling as tactical leverage to achieve them. Or it may be that the endless drumbeat of “terrorist” rhetoric by Democrats is working. (Pelosi’s betting on it!) It’s a bitter pill, though, given that tea partiers themselves think the deal they got was pretty much crap. Either way, the next standoff will be dicier, and the stakes even higher, than they were in this one. But then, we already knew that.

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According to CBS, “Among Republicans, the drop in favorability is steeper: Favorable views of the Tea Party have dropped 18 points since April, to 41 percent.”

Not all that surprising, when you never hear in the media that a majority (actually, a supermajority) of tea partiers in the House (i.e. either the members of Tea Party Caucus, or the freshman class; regardless of how you count) voted for the Boehner bill.

But I think if we learned anything from the Palinization experience, such negative campaign has to be countered early on, or it’ll get locked into the public consciousness. But who’ll dispel the myth of obstinate tea partiers who are too radical for America (or GOP)?

novakyu on August 4, 2011 at 10:02 PM

If higher spending meant more jobs, then we would all have two by now.

pedestrian on August 4, 2011 at 10:02 PM

I wanted to write something cynical and pessimistic, but I’ll just be indifferent tonight.

catmman on August 4, 2011 at 10:03 PM

Again, the partisan spread in today’s sample is the same as it was in April, and even so you’re seeing a double-digit jump in disapproval for the tea party and a double-digit jump in the number who think tea partiers have too much influence in the GOP. How you square that with the heavy public support for deeper cuts, I’m not sure.

It’s simple, really. It pretty much plays out exactly like you theorized.

Most Americans do understand, conceptually, that we need deeper cuts in order to be on firmer economic ground.

But then they turn and look at the Tea Party, many of whom either actively WANTED default, or were in complete denial as to what the negative ramifications of allowing were, and they realize that the TP stepped away from the reasonable and into the fringe on this one.

Vyce on August 4, 2011 at 10:04 PM

Look the MSM wants to push the memo that cuts = bad and gop = terrorists.

The public has been sold that Obama is our only hope.

The GOP and Tea Party need to ignore polls and push their veiws via grassroots.

Ignore what garbage the MSM is pushing.

William Amos on August 4, 2011 at 10:05 PM

Petulant children don’t like it when an adult says “nope, no more”…

Gohawgs on August 4, 2011 at 10:05 PM

Oh, NYT and CBS poll. I don’t need to read any further.

ButterflyDragon on August 4, 2011 at 10:06 PM

But who’ll dispel the myth of obstinate tea partiers who are too radical for America (or GOP)?

novakyu on August 4, 2011 at 10:02 PM

Both parties are hoping that no one does. The TP threatens the power structure that allows them to thrive.

darwin-t on August 4, 2011 at 10:06 PM

It’s simple, really.
The American electorate is composed of weak, pathetic morons, glued to their cellphones with an IQ of a summer squash.

gordo on August 4, 2011 at 10:07 PM

How you square that with the heavy public support for deeper cuts, I’m not sure.

simple. there is no leader of the TEA party. No one to educate Americans on its platform, no one to defend them, no one to make a platform so the dems and as seen in the debt limit debate the gop can bash the TEA party and blame them for everything all day long.

The TEa party being leaderless worked in 2009 and 2010 because they made it about the out of control spending. IMO that time for leaderless party has come and gone. If the Tea party wants to gather support make its case, fight the good fight they will need a leader to rally the different groups under the banner of a storng comitted platform. Until then the tea party is open to being the boggieman for the MSM, DNC and RNC

unseen on August 4, 2011 at 10:07 PM

and WHY wouldn’t “TEA PARTY” support be affected?

They aren’t really a “party”.

They don’t really have any friends in D.C.

They don’t have a Party Chairman or Party leader.

And they have been the “DEMON” of the media.

By the time this is over Martin Bashir and his ilk will be telling President Plague on America that TPers and Conservatives need to be put in those “reeducation camps” that FEMA seems to have at the ready. Maybe the Chinese will build camps in those “Foreign Trade Zones” like the one in Idaho.

TP = Satan’s spawn.

PappyD61 on August 4, 2011 at 10:09 PM

sorry but I can’t believe anything in this poll based on the 44% who still believe economy is Bush’s fault vs only 15% for Obama.

did they poll any business owners?

windansea on August 4, 2011 at 10:09 PM

AP said:

Again, the partisan spread in today’s sample is the same as it was in April, and even so you’re seeing a double-digit jump in disapproval for the tea party and a double-digit jump in the number who think tea partiers have too much influence in the GOP. How you square that with the heavy public support for deeper cuts, I’m not sure

Not hard to explain: Public agrees with tea party on spending cuts, but disapproves of tea party refusal to compromise on taxes.

Jon0815 on August 4, 2011 at 10:09 PM

Memes.Polls.Polls pushing memes.Etc.

SouthernGent on August 4, 2011 at 10:10 PM

Not hard to explain: Public agrees with tea party on spending cuts, but disapproves of tea party refusal to compromise on taxes.

Yeah, I think that’s part of it.

Allahpundit on August 4, 2011 at 10:11 PM

According to CBS, “Among Republicans, the drop in favorability is steeper: Favorable views of the Tea Party have dropped 18 points since April, to 41 percent.”

That’s when it started becoming very questionable.

kingsjester on August 4, 2011 at 10:11 PM

Well, I remember polls just one month before November 2010, saying that the Dems would hold the House by good numbers and maybe lose just one or two seats in the Senate. And, almost none predict the historic state legislature sweeps from D to R.

Let them continue their self-disillusionment. There are about 35 million of my fellow citizens out of work right now, and just wondering how many of them were included in this survey?

TXUS on August 4, 2011 at 10:13 PM

Bear in mind (and I said this during the reign of Queen Nancy I as well) that disliking Congress is something of a national pastime. Even if you don’t have an opinion on Congress (something a whole lot of Americans usually won’t, since many people pay practically no attention), if someone asks you, the “cool” response, for decades, has always been “yeah, Congress sucks.”

Now, that’s not to say that a figure this low isn’t telling… but 82% disapproval’s a bit much when you consider that half of the country really doesn’t care.

Red Cloud on August 4, 2011 at 10:15 PM

But by a ratio of more than two to one, Americans said that creating jobs should be a higher priority than spending cuts…

This doesn’t mean that they think these goals are mutually exclusive.

Mark1971 on August 4, 2011 at 10:16 PM

It’s the NYT/CBS/LOL “poll”.

artist on August 4, 2011 at 10:17 PM

It’s too bad the public doesn’t realize that you can’t compromise on taxes until real spending cuts actually happen. It’s not like these folks are trustworthy when they can’t even accurately name the things they do.

Cindy Munford on August 4, 2011 at 10:18 PM

These politicians obviously live in a different reality than the rest of us. Unfortunately NASA is being defunded, otherwise it would be a good mission for NASA to fine a suitable Planet for these people.

gullxn on August 4, 2011 at 10:19 PM

47% blame the Republicans.

Faith in the intelligence of my fellow citizens continues to decline every day.

Midas on August 4, 2011 at 10:20 PM

Petulant children don’t like it when an adult says “nope, no more”…

Gohawgs

DING!!! DING!!! DING!!!

We have a winner!!!!

BD57 on August 4, 2011 at 10:21 PM

Just as they planned. You can’t have a dictatorship by regulations if the one body that can stop it is likable. Now congress is really irrelevant so O’s minions can do what every they want without question because the one asking the questions is useless in the eyes of the governed.

Even if the wanted to stop the EPA from regulation coal back into the ground, congress can’t do anything as what ever they do, they will not do enough for some so why even try. Coal will soon be more expensive than gold yet so over regulated to make it unattainable to mine at any price. It will not cost to mine but the red tape and regulations will eat any profit with lawyer fees taxes on taxes. And there is nothing your congressman can do to stop it as they are useless and powerless.

tjexcite on August 4, 2011 at 10:23 PM

Not hard to explain: Public agrees with tea party on spending cuts, but disapproves of tea party refusal to compromise on taxes.

Yeah, I think that’s part of it.

Allahpundit on August 4, 2011 at 10:11 PM

Really? Are there that many people out there that actually think raising taxes is a good idea in this environment?

Good Lord, save us from these unbelievably stupid people.

Midas on August 4, 2011 at 10:24 PM

Everybody wants to have their cake and eat it too.

Sadly, the world doesn’t work in such a simple fashion.

Grow up and face the music; you’re going to have to, whether or not you care to.

It’s coming.

Gird your loins…

hillbillyjim on August 4, 2011 at 10:25 PM

Hate the auto play ads

ronsfi on August 4, 2011 at 10:27 PM

No worries, the tea party issues will be the issues of the day in the 2012 campaigns. The tea party principles will prevail.

karenhasfreedom on August 4, 2011 at 10:28 PM

Really? Are there that many people out there that actually think raising taxes is a good idea in this environment?

Good Lord, save us from these unbelievably stupid people.

Midas on August 4, 2011 at 10:24 PM

The thing is that these morons have fallen for the change in wording. We no longer have tax increases, we have revenue increases. And there are so many morons that do not know that the only way to increase revenue is to raise taxes. 52% of them voted for Oblahblah.

darwin-t on August 4, 2011 at 10:29 PM

“Cutting spending is important, but getting people back to work is more important…”

Cutting calories is important, but losing weight is more important.

Jim Treacher on August 4, 2011 at 10:29 PM

Hate the auto play ads

ronsfi on August 4, 2011 at 10:27 PM

Try Firefox as your browser with the ABP add on

Del Dolemonte on August 4, 2011 at 10:32 PM

This poll may be moot after tomorrow. I’ll wait and see.

SlaveDog on August 4, 2011 at 10:33 PM

I like how the Republicans they quote are like the two Republicans in the country who would tell the New York Times how much they disagree with the Republican Party.

Also:

Most of those polled said that the spending cuts included either did not go far enough or were about right. But with the nation’s unemployment rate at a stubborn 9.2 percent, 62 percent of those polled said that creating jobs should be the priority.

So this poll of adults says Americans like the spending cuts and would like to create jobs. So would I. I’m not shaking in my boots yet.

amerpundit on August 4, 2011 at 10:34 PM

tjexcite on August 4, 2011 at 10:23 PM

That’s been Chicago Jesus’ plan all along.

Now that natural gas is becoming more viable, it will be next on the list of things to price out of the market by hook, by crook, by any nefarious means available. Wait for it.

Coal could keep us flowing with cheap energy for at least 250 years, so we just can’t have that. If we utilize our resources sensibly, we can become what we once were: namely, the leader of the free world.

Why? Why do supposed representatives of the people oppose using a resource that can make their constituents’ lives easier and less expensive by exponential numbers?

That’s what everyone needs to consider before they vote for a bunch of self-serving shits the next time around.

hillbillyjim on August 4, 2011 at 10:35 PM

I’m not surprised by the poll, it says what the democrats want. The msm is conservatives biggest problem.

tinkerthinker on August 4, 2011 at 10:35 PM

So the Republicans get the majority of the Blame?

sandee on August 4, 2011 at 10:39 PM

Just remember, the GOP had even higher disapproval numbers after the Gingrich government shutdown in 1995, and we paid almost no political price for the shutdown.

Outlander on August 4, 2011 at 10:42 PM

I think the Tea Party is a lot bigger than what that survey suggests. Maybe I’m delusional. It wouldn’t be the first time. But I gotta go with my heart and gut…

Republican Yogi on August 4, 2011 at 10:42 PM

Hey idiots…

CONGRESS CANT CREATE JOBS!!

KeepOhioRed on August 4, 2011 at 10:42 PM

If the American people want to drive the nation over a cliff, then I guess that’s what they’ll do.

I don’t put much stake in polls, one way or the other. But assuming for a moment these numbers are true, and the Marxist usurper is really skating by without blame, and the GOP is shouldering it, and the Tea Party really is a fringe movement of misguided patriots who think responsible government is small government… well then, have at it. Molon frikken labe.

IronDioPriest on August 4, 2011 at 10:45 PM

Hey idiots…

CONGRESS CANT CREATE JOBS!!

KeepOhioRed on August 4, 2011 at 10:42 PM

Sure they can. The problem is that none of them are permanent and they cost three times what they are worth, while they last.

It’s a fool’s game.

hillbillyjim on August 4, 2011 at 10:46 PM

This is why conservatives should be rallying behind the idea of the Fair Tax and abolishing the income tax. Doing so would end this argument over raising taxes on the ‘rich’ forever. If you stop this, you remove a huge tool of the left forever. If you raise rates with the Fair Tax it affects everyone, at least theoretically.

trigon on August 4, 2011 at 10:46 PM

trigon on August 4, 2011 at 10:46 PM

The same liar who told us that everyone should have “skin in the game” is the main one who is in direct opposition of making said happen.

Hypocrisy is nothing new; Ojesus has taken it to new heights of lowliness.

hillbillyjim on August 4, 2011 at 10:50 PM

Hey idiots…

CONGRESS CANT CREATE JOBS!!

KeepOhioRed on August 4, 2011 at 10:42 PM

sure they can all they need to do is get the hell out of the way.

unseen on August 4, 2011 at 10:51 PM

vyce
explain how we get to a default with 200B a month income from taxes and only need 20B to service the debt?

rgranger on August 4, 2011 at 10:53 PM

Sure they can. The problem is that none of them are permanent and they cost three times what they are worth, while they last.

It’s a fool’s game.

hillbillyjim on August 4, 2011 at 10:46 PM

Fed jobs don’t usually go away…Unfortunately…

Gohawgs on August 4, 2011 at 10:54 PM

Ha! The Tea Party has not yet begun to fight. See you in 2012 (and sooner).

Christian Conservative on August 4, 2011 at 10:57 PM

Vyce on August 4, 2011 at 10:04 PM

Not raising the debt ceiling does not equal default but it darn sure would have equaled real spending cuts to keep it from happening. I’m not saying it wouldn’t be scary or it wouldn’t hurt but don’t act like these people can’t do what they are suppose to do. I bet you do it every month.

Cindy Munford on August 4, 2011 at 10:57 PM

But I think if we learned anything from the Palinization experience, such negative campaign has to be countered early on, or it’ll get locked into the public consciousness. But who’ll dispel the myth of obstinate tea partiers who are too radical for America (or GOP)?

novakyu on August 4, 2011 at 10:02 PM

The Terrorist Rhetorics started at Arizona. ONLY PALIN FOUGHT. ALL POLITICIANS SUPPORTED BY PALIN AND TEA PARTY WERE SO SILENT.

Funny thing is …. Palin’s favorability is coming back … without the help of anyone except herself.

TheAlamos on August 4, 2011 at 11:01 PM

I have a problem with polls. The LSM has been against the tea party since it was formed. They’ve trashed it for over 2 years and have been charitable to the Obama Administration. If you get your news from the LSM, you will poll this way.

This is a poll of the brainwashed, not people who actually know what’s going on. The Republicans, IMHO, didn’t do themselves any favors by not forcing the Senate to deal with the budget they sent over. Yes, the Senate voted on it, but they never offered any alternative plans and they got away with it.

Just imagine the polls if the Democrats actually have to put forth a plan. If you wonder why they refuse to put out a budget, think about the polls, they know they don’t have a winning strategy so they’re depending on the LSM to be their propaganda arm and they’ll say as little as possible.

Vote Republican and only be called a racist one more time.

bflat879 on August 4, 2011 at 11:06 PM

Fed jobs don’t usually go away…Unfortunately…

Gohawgs on August 4, 2011 at 10:54 PM

I was referencing the “shovel-ready” horseshit that we were spoon-fed for a year or so.

It turns out that most of the stimulus bucks went for “saving or creating” state government jobs, except for the few infrastructure fixes that got done; and those “shovel-ready infrastructure” jobs were most definitely temporary.

Now the lying bastard is trying to run the same line of BS past us again.

Infrastructure bank my right eyeball. You might as well call it the Re-elect My Sorry Ass Slush Fund.

hillbillyjim on August 4, 2011 at 11:09 PM

Come on Allah. Cbs nyt poll? With a plus 8 for Dems? I bet the only Reps the called live with 50 miles of NYC.

angryed on August 4, 2011 at 11:13 PM

Do we still have a government with the consent of the people?

astonerii on August 4, 2011 at 11:20 PM

I wouldn’t put too much stock into those polls.

The only jarring one is that only 15% of the public puts Obama at fault for the debt, compared to 44% for Bush, which is, at this point, just mathematically false. I’m sure if you prefaced the question, “Bush increased the deficit from 6 to 10 trillion over 8 years, Obama from 10 to 14 trillion over 2 and a half years,” you would get a different answer.

And even that question isn’t necessarily good news for Obama. He wasn’t elected to blame Bush, he was elected to make good on his promise to fix Bush’s mess, of which the debt was the biggest part. Also, just because the public disproportionately blames Bush for the debt doesn’t mean they want more debt.

As for the rest: The tax-on-the-rich question has long been a loser, at least in theory, for the GOP. People just flat out don’t believe that the rich pay most of the taxes, or understand how taxing them precludes investment and cripples employment. But again, it’s not what people want, it’s what they vote for. Tax increases don’t do so well at the polls.

And also, that question was a yes/no prefaced, “In order to lower our nation’s budget deficit…”

“Who do you blame more for the difficulties in reaching an agreement on the debt ceiling – the Republicans in Congress or Barack Obama and the Democrats in Congress?”

Well, I blame the Republicans too. That was sort of the point of voting for them.

As for the Tea Party polls, who cares? As AP points out, the public pretty clearly receptive to their message of cuts. So they’ve bought into the demonization of the actual rally-goers as extremist suicidal right wing crypto-racists. That doesn’t actually hurt their positions. Tea partiers are adults trying to influence public policy, not college students trying to get laid.

HitNRun on August 4, 2011 at 11:27 PM

My financial advisor told me that in decades of banking related work he’d never met a “small business” owner who actually paid taxes – or who didn’t live lavishly – and views the debate over the Bush tax cuts (and the Tea Party) accordingly. And he’s far more worried that spending cuts will strangle a recovery than that taxes and regulations will do so. That’s what conservatives are up against.

Seth Halpern on August 4, 2011 at 11:30 PM

angryed on August 4, 2011 at 11:13 PM

It does seem odd that they would use +8 Dems when more of the population is identifying themselves as conservatives. I guess it is safe to say they are going to ignore that poll.

Cindy Munford on August 4, 2011 at 11:31 PM

Do we still have a government with the consent of the people?

astonerii on August 4, 2011 at 11:20 PM

We’ll find out soon enough; right now with all of the regulatory bullshit coming from the “emperor”, with authority that does not exist in law, I would have to say NO.

NO. I didn’t consent to the light-bulb fiasco. NO, I didn’t consent to having our power-producers being put on a flaming hot-plate. NO, I did not consent to having Uncle Sugar take from us and “spread the wealth”.

In short:

NO.

That is exactly why we’ve GOT to change this November next.

hillbillyjim on August 4, 2011 at 11:32 PM

Seth Halpern on August 4, 2011 at 11:30 PM

I call b.s.. Not you, your financial advisor.

Cindy Munford on August 4, 2011 at 11:34 PM

Do we still have a government with the consent of the people?

astonerii on August 4, 2011 at 11:20 PM

By the way, that was a darn good question. Thank you.

hillbillyjim on August 4, 2011 at 11:34 PM

My financial advisor told me that in decades of banking related work he’d never met a “small business” owner who actually paid taxes – or who didn’t live lavishly – and views the debate over the Bush tax cuts (and the Tea Party) accordingly. And he’s far more worried that spending cuts will strangle a recovery than that taxes and regulations will do so. That’s what conservatives are up against.

Seth Halpern on August 4, 2011 at 11:30 PM

In other words, your financial advisor is a crook.

He may be making you money, but karma says that you will pay hell for it.

Nothing personal, it’s just the way I see it.

hillbillyjim on August 4, 2011 at 11:39 PM

…what is curious to me is that if OBama and democrats are getting such a pass from Americans on these issues..
…then why are Obama’s poll numbers tanking so badly in almost every area??????

……democrats have found their new bogeyman to hate with the Tea Party (now that Bush is gone and they can’t protest war with Obama running the war machine) but Americans are hurting and want leadership and solutions.

If democrats want to go into the 2012 election calling Americans that want a balanced budget “terrorist”…..
….yelling for higher taxes…..
………….and still blaming Bush….
Then 2012 is going to be a Red landslide.

Baxter Greene on August 4, 2011 at 11:39 PM

My first instinct was to say: You can’t be serious.

But I could tell that you were.

Do you seriously believe that no small businesses pay taxes?

That’s got to be a winner for the silliest post of the day.

hillbillyjim on August 4, 2011 at 11:42 PM

CNN Poll, NYT poll, and we should trust these guys ?

It’s becoming another Obama love fest in the Obama Media Group polling machine. Let’s see an Obama campaign schedule put out ahead of time, instead of a surprise short lead time sudden appearance in a locked up venue that is not open to the Public.

The man is going to be shouted off the stage soon, just give American’s his appearance schedule with a few days lead time, if they dare.

Let’s see Obama in a Debate, or see how long Obama puts off a debate before he is forced to defend his lousy record.

JayTee on August 4, 2011 at 11:45 PM

Seth Halpern on August 4, 2011 at 11:30 PM

Maybe your financial advisor has a different definition of “small businesses” than the rest of us peons understand.

I doubt it. It sounds like to me that he’s full of cheap baloney.

hillbillyjim on August 4, 2011 at 11:45 PM

Am I the only one who is disgusted with these simpleton polls about disapproving how Congress or the President is doing.

Folks that think Congress is spending too little are lumped into folks who think Congress is spending too much. As are folks upset about the debt ceiling being raise lumped with those who think it should be raised more. It’s a total BS poll.

Specifically, I’d be very suspicious of any blog or news source that headlines these sorts of polls without HUGE caveats about the dishonesty of these polls. It’s likely these sources are pushing an agenda and use these distorted and inaccurate #s to support their own agenda, regardless if those polled actually support that agenda.

drfredc on August 4, 2011 at 11:53 PM

OK. let’s agree that, generally speaking, that the American public is trained stupid when it comes to the proper place of government in our lives. After more than a century of liberal/progressive propaganda, they think that cutting government spending is somehow at odds with job creation. Big woop. After all, as Geithner reminded us, the government cuts 80 million checks per month. And, what? 40% pay no taxes at all? “The boy’s name is ignorance…. beware this boy!”
But this poll tells us nothing useful about the relative strength of the Tea Party or their candidates’ ability to win next year. This “local” conclusion, based on a “national” poll, that the Tea party is losing support is silly to be polite. It is designed to dishearten us. The propaganda war is in full swing.

Randy

williars on August 4, 2011 at 11:56 PM

williars on August 4, 2011 at 11:56 PM

+++

hillbillyjim on August 5, 2011 at 12:03 AM

Funny…Scott Rasmussen was on Hugh Hewitt’s show yesterday and his findings were the complete opposite. So…

jawkneemusic on August 5, 2011 at 12:25 AM

jawkneemusic on August 5, 2011 at 12:25 AM

Which part?

Cindy Munford on August 5, 2011 at 12:29 AM

This “local” conclusion, based on a “national” poll, that the Tea party is losing support is silly to be polite. It is designed to dishearten us. The propaganda war is in full swing.
Randy

williars on August 4, 2011 at 11:56 PM

Definitely a propaganda war against the TEA Party, and it’s been going on since its inception.

But the fact that Boxer and Reid are actually still in office, and this Pyrrhic victory concerning the debt ceiling leads me to believe that the TEA Party isn’t as strong or as popular as some here may believe.

Dr. ZhivBlago on August 5, 2011 at 12:30 AM

You blew your chance, champ.

Judgemint

Schadenfreude on August 5, 2011 at 12:51 AM

LOL from the UK Times:

50p top tax rate likely to be scrapped

David Cameron is likely to scrap the 50p top rate of income tax after being presented with figures showing that the higher the rate, the less people pay. Treasury projections suggest that taxing those earning at least £150,000 at a rate of 45p may generate 70 per cent of the…

Emphasis added. Great news for the “balanced” crowd.

cthulhu on August 5, 2011 at 1:10 AM

The Old Media are still struggling to convince themselves that November 2010 never happened and remain no doubt enraged that the Zero / Reid / Pelosi psychotocracy hasn’t been completely enabled to ignore everything from fully unleashed tax increases to no debt ceiling whatsoever which is what they could have had… had November 2010 not impeded the Zero-Soros ultimate plan.

viking01 on August 5, 2011 at 1:39 AM

47% blame the Republicans.

Faith in the intelligence of my fellow citizens continues to decline every day.

Midas on August 4, 2011 at 10:20 PM

Isn’t that about the same percentage that either do not pay taxes or are firmly clamped to the government teat?

Not disputing your intelligence issue, of course.

kim roy on August 5, 2011 at 1:45 AM

My response to these oh-so-consistent numbers… buy gold.

Myno on August 5, 2011 at 1:58 AM

Do we still have a government with the consent of the people?

astonerii on August 4, 2011 at 11:20 PM
By the way, that was a darn good question. Thank you.

hillbillyjim on August 4, 2011 at 11:34 PM

We do, but I’m sharpening up my pitchfork (metaphor)…

Khun Joe on August 5, 2011 at 2:16 AM

If you are going to raise taxes, raise them across the board. Tax ALL earned income from ALL levels of earners. Don’t attempt to raise the taxes of the top tax brackets.

I would favor a flat 15% withheld from all W-2 and 1099 work paid no matter how much the person makes.

crosspatch on August 5, 2011 at 2:21 AM

Brutal: Disapproval of Congress now at 82%

Which leads to the obvious question: Who are these dumb as a stump 18%ers?

hillbillyjim on August 5, 2011 at 4:57 AM

No surprise here. Let’s look at what our brave legislators accomplished . . . absolutely nothing is the answer. Rather than side with any single political faction they simply decided to turn their responsibilities over to a separate panel that can take everything from everybody. This government is absolutely and completely dysfunctional.

rplat on August 5, 2011 at 5:22 AM

Does Congress keep kicking the same can or do they replace it every so often?

SKYFOX on August 5, 2011 at 6:31 AM

Do we still have a government with the consent of the people?

astonerii on August 4, 2011 at 11:20 PM

First I self-govern. If I can’t govern myself I should have no reasonable expectation that others will do so.

Second I take a look to make sure local matters are taken care of in the home. Making sure we live within our means, pay off debts as fast as possible, and remain solvent.

Third I show that the use of self-government and freedom to exercise my positive civil rights is a good for myself and that it supports those around me.

If you don’t get those squared away first, then deciding if other government is representative is problematical as a representative government must have a base of people with good moral and ethical character to support themselves and be independent and not look to government for help at every turn. It is not a Spartan life by any means, and the loss of the outside structures are buffered by those who know how to fend for themselves and defend themselves so as to uphold civil society.

We appear to be at the start of the Third Great Awakening in America, the one that realizes via the hardest of all possible means (and when do Americans ever take the easy way out?) that your salvation as a person in this life and the next is up to you. Not to your neighbor, not to government, not to anyone else and that when you are on the government dole you are no longer free but beholden to government. You are born free, but then government comes along to put you in servitude to it.

If you want to be free and exercise liberty, you must self-govern and take control of your own affairs.

The people are slowly doing that, bit by bit. The government is a lagging indicator and needs to lose a lot of limbs, get a crew cut, have some liposuction done to its head, end the outgo that no economy on this planet can support and then put to its limited and proper task of paying off these debts incurred in our name while we recover out of the grasp of our common abuser. The establishment sees this coming and is starting to run in fear of it. Only a large size meteor hitting the planet will stop this, or some other global event that wipes out mankind of similar size…AGW is a joke compared to what nature does on a regular basis and our clocks are ticking down to zero on that front, as well.

So long as government does not have a good society under it, it will reflect the poor state of that society. If you want to change the way government works, then change the way you live and start reaching out to your fellow man to help him as we didn’t hand that over to government to do. Charity spends no government money, is generally more well run than any government and most businesses when it gets volunteer help, and builds a strong social fabric. There is an entire generation that will now face the school of hard knocks and our job isn’t to blame government (though it is blame worthy) nor to call these on the learning curve stupid as they are just coddled and ignorant, and to reach out and help them understand that a dollar saved and not taxed is a dollar earned and not wasted.

The Tea Party is an epiphenomena of this event, the harbinger of it and the depths to those that hate their fellow man will go in vilifying ordinary citizens is disgusting and yet that vilification is falling out into silence. That is what the Establishment worries about: no one listens nor believes them, and the citizenry is learning that self-government and self-reliance are two great goods for themselves and society that cannot be taken from them as when they get the first they get the second. There is much to fear for the government supporters out there, and no single poll will capture that now… and in a decade it will be in full swing. The gears are just about locked up on the 20th century and need to be removed. The fun is truly about to start.

ajacksonian on August 5, 2011 at 7:02 AM

People are just divided…if you do what you have to do to make one bunch happy..you piss off the other bunch. etc.

Terrye on August 5, 2011 at 7:07 AM

More than four out of five people surveyed said that the recent debt-ceiling debate was more about gaining political advantage than about doing what is best for the country. Nearly three-quarters said that the debate had harmed the image of the United States in the world…
But by a ratio of more than two to one, Americans said that creating jobs should be a higher priority than spending cuts…

Results like this are very frustrating, because it LOOKS like they have no understanding of what’s going on.

disa on August 5, 2011 at 7:27 AM

OK, so the typical CNN viewer is a moron. Point being? What? We should all becoming Marxist, advocating for government employment for all, to be loved…by morons?

MNHawk on August 5, 2011 at 7:38 AM

Its gonna be a war to fix this country. The democrats might not have a clue what to do to fix the economy, but they control the media and the message. Its none more apparent by seeing that 40% of the people still blame George Bush for this recession. The man that was in office for 3 months of it vs 2 1/2 years of Obama. The liberals drove that message into the heads of Americans, regardless of its lack of logic.

tflst5 on August 5, 2011 at 8:08 AM

Not hard to explain: Public agrees with tea party on spending cuts, but disapproves of tea party refusal to compromise on taxes.

Jon0815 on August 4, 2011 at 10:09 PM

Then the public is foolish. Why anyone, ANYONE believes it’s a good idea to send more money to Washington for the irresponsible children to blow is beyond me.

stvnscott on August 5, 2011 at 8:12 AM

But the fact that Boxer and Reid are actually still in office, and this Pyrrhic victory concerning the debt ceiling leads me to believe that the TEA Party isn’t as strong or as popular as some here may believe.

Dr. ZhivBlago on August 5, 2011 at 12:30 AM

With respect, doc, you are making the same kind of error in the opposite direction: you are generalizing from 2 local(state) elections to draw a national conclusion. Do you think Boxer could be elected in, say, Iowa?
Thankfully, in this democracy, we do not have to win every electoral district in California or Nevada to take back the nation. The Tea Party movement is just fine and hard at work in most of the country. My hope is that after 2012 Boxer and Reid will be the deviants they deserve to be.

Randy

williars on August 5, 2011 at 8:39 AM

Increasing the debt limit does not solve the debt crisis, it exacerbates it. Next year this time the debt will be north of $16 trillion and we will be wondering what happened to that debt reduction plan.

Dasher on August 5, 2011 at 9:17 AM

Personally I am not concerned about a CBS/NY Times poll showing disapproval of the Tea Party spiking upward. Who knows who the people are that they polled?

See this from their website:

“This poll was conducted by telephone on August 2-3, 2011 among 960 adults nationwide who were first interviewed in two polls: a CBS News/New York Times Poll conducted June 24-28, 2011 and a CBS News Poll conducted July 15-17, 2011. Phone numbers were dialed from samples of both standard land-line and cell phones. The error due to sampling for results based on the entire sample could be plus or minus three percentage points. The error for subgroups is higher. This poll release conforms to the Standards of Disclosure of the National Council on Public Polls.”

Meanwhile there is this:

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=45290

The situation is fluid right now. I’m not drawing any final conclusions about the Tea Party and its popularity/success at this point. One thing that does seem clear is that there is a bias against the TP at Hot Air. I feel certain the TP is NOT popular here. LOL

JimP on August 5, 2011 at 10:31 AM

Nobody’s a fan of being told to eat their spinach, do their homework, or go to bed. But these are the things grown ups do for their children.

People know spending has to be cut – they just don’t like the adults telling them it has to be done.

Pablo Snooze on August 5, 2011 at 10:58 AM

I’m a Tea Party member till they pry my “Don’t Tread on Me” flag from my cold, dead fingers.

Herb on August 5, 2011 at 11:11 AM

Congress sucks. That’s the only thing I can think of to say, that won’t have the FBI over here going through my trash.

Mr. Grump on August 5, 2011 at 11:31 AM

The collective Voice of the American People speaks loud and proud. “Yes, I want to reduce government spending. So reduce expenditures for PBS and foreign aid. But DON’T even think about messing with my debt-financed ‘free stuff.’” Let me state now that in my personal opinion the Progressives have already won the political policy competition. The key elements of the Cloward-Piven strategy have been successfully installed. The regulatory-tax-entitlement-cronyism superstructure has overloaded the government bureaucracy with a flood of contradictory and unsustainable demands.

We are seeing the opening act of a society in crisis and economic collapse. It seems to me that most of us alive now will get to see us arrive at a transformed nation/world. The question is will it be one with a renewed focus leading to sustained renewal? Or will the ultimate outcome be a closed and locked door on free market capitalism in favor or a noxious mix of socialist/fascist economics? Was this Progressive success achieved consciously or unconsciously, i.e. in a kind of perverse ever growing vote and campaign contribution-buying in a democracy? It doesn’t seem to really matter. Just enjoy the Decline!

boqueronman on August 5, 2011 at 12:18 PM

NYT and CBS poll.

DANEgerus on August 5, 2011 at 1:03 PM