Tea Party won the first skirmish of a long, long fight

posted at 2:05 pm on August 3, 2011 by Ed Morrissey

Did anyone win in the recently concluded deal that reduced the upward trajectory of federal spending?  In my column for The Week, I argue that Barack Obama certainly was the big loser, having blown an opportunity that he himself cultivated for months to demonstrate leadership.  While the deal doesn’t feel like a win to Tea Party activists at the moment, I argue that they won an important opening skirmish:

Reid gave up on tax hikes, not because he got tired of talking about them, but because there isn’t any appetite for tax hikes on Capitol Hill — thanks to the power and influence of the Tea Party. The cuts mandated in this compromise might be paltry, especially at first, but they represent a step in the right direction. For the first time in perhaps decades, Congress will approach budget shortfalls by looking at where spending can actually be reduced rather than where revenue can be raised.

That is a remarkable paradigm shift, and one worthy of celebration after a decade of exploding deficits from Congresses controlled by both parties. Without the Tea Party, that paradigm shift would never have occurred. Indeed, without the Tea Party and their victorious candidates, the debt-ceiling increase would have been a routine vote noted only by a few bloggers and the back pages of most newspapers.

Understandably, most Tea Party activists see this as business as usual and not the kind of transformative, instant change they envisioned. But just as Rome wasn’t built in a day, it will take much more than one vote or one budget to build the kind of limited, fiscally responsible America that these activists desire. The expansion of the federal government has gone on for decades, and it will take many battles and victories, small and large, to reverse it. This is a long journey, and the Tea Party helped push the nation into taking a step in the right direction.

There are two dangers in incremental victories, which are closely related to one another.  The first is that they tend to discourage activists who want big, unmistakable, validating victories.  However, those will only come with big, unmistakable majorities in Congress and a different President in the White House.  Given the relative weight of the Tea Party caucus on Capitol Hill in this Congressional session makes the win here even more remarkable. It’s very important to remember that our political system is heavily weighted against radical change in the short term, and that lasting change takes patience and long-term planning.

The second danger is that the activists will turn on each other and on their nominal allies.  If that happens, they will lose the ability to grow their standing in Congress.  Worse, they will alienate those who want to work towards the same general goals but who may differ on tactics and time lines.  That will bring incremental progress to a halt, while at the same time pushing activists into giving up altogether.  We need to avoid a “Mission Accomplished” mentality, but more importantly recognize that incremental progress is not futile.

Meanwhile, on the other end of the ledger, Barack Obama comes out as the biggest loser in this fight.  I give an explanation for that in my column, but two media reports today confirm this as a consensus position.  First, The Hill takes us inside the negotiations, where John Boehner apparently ordered the President out of negotiations at one point:

GOP aides and lawmakers, speaking on background, portrayed Boehner as the calm negotiator who repeatedly exasperated President Obama.

Boehner last month asked the networks to televise his response to Obama’s address to the nation, a request which infuriated the White House, Republican sources said.

On July 23, they claim, the White House called Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), telling her not to participate on a call with Boehner, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) and Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.). Pelosi informed Reid, who declined to participate, and the call was canceled, the Republican sources said. (A Pelosi spokesman could not be reached for comment.)

Later that day, the four leaders met with Obama at the White House. At one point, GOP officials said, the Democratic and Republican leaders asked Obama and his aides to leave the room to let them negotiate.

Reid reneged on the agreement that was reached at that point under pressure from the White House, according to the Hill’s account based on their GOP sources.  Obama had to send Joe Biden into the final negotiations instead.  But it’s not just Republicans who are painting Obama as a bumbling negotiator, as the LA Times reports:

Moreover, many Democrats — including some ordinarily sympathetic to the president — feel part of the problem is of Obama’s own making. …

Given the acrimony and the high-stakes deadline, the impasse posed a severe test of Obama’s negotiating skills. On the fly he sought to improve his relationship with Boehner, inviting the speaker to play a round of golf early in the talks. But White House officials believe that personalities aren’t at the root of congressional paralysis. …

Others are more critical, comparing Obama unfavorably with presidents who made broad use of their executive powers in times of crisis: Harry Truman, who nationalized the steel industry in 1952 in the face of a steel strike, for example, or John F. Kennedy, who denounced steel executives for price increases and threatened them with an antitrust investigation.

“I am just sorely upset that Obama doesn’t seize the moment,” Sen. Tom Harkin (D-Iowa) said as the final deal was coming together. “That’s what great presidents do in times of crisis. They exert executive leadership. He went wobbly in the knees.”

The White House apparently hopes that the deal will eventually be popular enough for Obama to benefit, but the problem with that idea is that Obama had nothing to do with the eventual deal.  His only stated demand — higher taxes — got taken off the table more than a week before the compromise.  At the end, Obama ended up accepting a Congressional diktat rather than leading the path to a solution.  Obama ended up as little more than a spectator at his own leadership opportunity, and everyone knows it.

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The Tea Party got people to pay attention, to start talking but it didn’t win. The debt ceiling was raised. Spending will continue at breakneck speed.

I’m still happy in a Pollyanna-ish kind of way. It’s a start, it’s a beginning, but it’s not a win.

Fallon on August 3, 2011 at 4:45 PM

I agree. Even if both the Congress and the White House are under Conservative/RINO control in the near future, and nothing gets better…what then?

The mantra will be, “The Obama Administration and the Democratic Congress just caused too much damage.” The same thing we’ve been hearing from the Libtards about the Bush Administration and the Republican Congress.

All that counts as far as the economy is results. Talk and ideological BS won’t accomplish anything.

Dr. ZhivBlago on August 3, 2011 at 6:00 PM

Frankly, those who believe you can turn around nearly a century of “progressivism” in our federal government overnight with control of only the House of Representatives are living in a fantasy world.

Whine, complain, kvetch all you like. It doesn’t make anything happen faster. Get all pissy and petty like Obama and storm off refusing to support Republicans, and start your lunatic fringe third party. The sooner the better – it’s easier to get things done without all the negative waves, Moriarty.

Adjoran on August 3, 2011 at 5:58 PM

We’re you…um….completely asleep during the Reagan Admin?

Another unfortunate recipient of the genius that is the DOE.

Tim_CA on August 3, 2011 at 6:01 PM

Adjoran on August 3, 2011 at 5:58 PM

Has the GOP ever reduced spending?

Bugler on August 3, 2011 at 6:01 PM

slickwillie2001 on August 3, 2011 at 5:21 PM

Isn’t that the truth, we pay for some of the dumbest stuff.

Cindy Munford on August 3, 2011 at 6:02 PM

The Tea Party achieved a pause in the action. Spending will increase, taxes will be raised and the cuts in revenue will branded on them. Winning? When you have a eunuch for a leader like McConnell its embarrassing. The picture of him sitting with Obama and grinning like a feces eating possum should be used to primary/bury in the primaries.

volsense on August 3, 2011 at 6:09 PM

Must be yer first rodeo son.

….

People like you, however, are spineless little d*uche cowards.

Tim_CA on August 3, 2011 at 5:41 PM

When logic fails, name-calling prevails…

BTW, I’ll turn 60 in a few months, and spent 27 years in uniform “putting my money where my mouth is”… so, no this isn’t my first rodeo.

I’ve even voted for a 3rd party candidate (Perot)… that worked out real well, eh?

So can you try using something other than intimidation and name-calling when your logic cannot prevail?

OnlyOrange on August 3, 2011 at 6:26 PM

I’ll repeat my comment from yesterday:

Come on people, this crap situation our country is in didn’t happen in a day and it’s not going to be fixed in a day. This is an early skirmish in a long war.
Changing the national conversation from a “clean bill” to increase the debt limit along with more revenues from the “millionaires and billionaires” to an increase (that may be needed to avoid default, who knows?) with strings attached is a victory, albeit a small one.
What we should have learned is that we can’t give up. We need more Tea Party “terrorists” to affect Congress’ thinking in the longer run. Don’t give up. Don’t diminish what we’ve achieved. Instead, resolve to work harder and longer to add more TP terrorists to the Congress so that future skirmishes also can be won. And one day we’ll have our country back.

mike in NV on August 2, 2011 at 1:05 PM

mike in NV on August 3, 2011 at 6:28 PM

mike in NV on August 3, 2011 at 6:28 PM

You nailed it… good luck on stopping the tantrums though….

OnlyOrange on August 3, 2011 at 6:35 PM

BTW, I’ll turn 60 in a few months, and spent 27 years in uniform “putting my money where my mouth is”… so, no this isn’t my first rodeo.

I’ve even voted for a 3rd party candidate (Perot)… that worked out real well, eh?
So can you try using something other than intimidation and name-calling when your logic cannot prevail?

OnlyOrange on August 3, 2011 at 6:26 PM

Yer not helping yer case genius.

Tim_CA on August 3, 2011 at 6:42 PM

OnlyOrange on August 3, 2011 at 6:26 PM

BTW….Thank you for your service.

Tim_CA on August 3, 2011 at 6:46 PM

The Tea Party certainly does not consider this some kind of “win.” How in the world is increasing the debt to $17 trillion a win? This simply moves us closer to bankruptcy. In addition, part of this debt deal creates a framework to weaken national defense, by an automatic trigger should the “spending cut committee” not be able to agree on $1.5 trillion in cuts. This is insane on its face, given the growing threat from China, and the on-going turmoil in the middle east; not to mention a resurgent Russia, which has designs on building nuclear power plants in Venezuela for Mr. Chavez. Does anyone really believe Chavez wants nuclear power plants for electricity? If so, study North Korea, and Iran.

A win would have been freezing spending at its current level; or better yet, rolling it back to 2008 levels; not raising the debt limit; CCB; Ryan budget. Oh, and let’s not forget Obamacare, and the impending entitlement program implosion, if these programs are not restructured.

So no, not a win at all. We only kicked the can further down the road, increasing the difficulty of recovering before it is too late for the country. Time is not on our side. If every thinking American does not become a Tea Party supporter before it is too late, we will have to explain to the younger generation why America is no longer an “exceptional” nation; no longer the land of opportunity; no longer a superpower having ceded power to China, and Russia, and the United Nations; and no longer the beacon of liberty and hope in this world. It seems like our last hope is November of 2012.

SheetAnchor on August 3, 2011 at 7:04 PM

And now there is this:

“US debt shot up $238 billion to reach 100 percent of gross domestic project after the government’s debt ceiling was lifted, Treasury figures showed Wednesday.”

“The new borrowing took total public debt to $14.58 trillion, over end-2010 GDP of $14.53 trillion, and putting it in a league with highly indebted countries like Italy and Belgium.”

Time is working against us. If we want to save this country from self-destruction, every common sense American better get busy talking to their friends, relatives, co-workers, and neighbors, and telling them we need more Tea Party supporters to help elect Tea Party representatives.

http://news.yahoo.com/us-aaa-rating-still-under-threat-204040123.html

SheetAnchor on August 3, 2011 at 7:10 PM

Adjoran on August 3, 2011 at 5:58 PM

I’ll take your non-response as a “no.”

So much for bitching and kvetching and demanding everything all at once.

Bugler on August 3, 2011 at 7:31 PM

I’m not optimistic enough to agree with Ed. I don’t know what he is reading, but what I’ve read does not make for a consensus in his favor, which brings out the pessimist in me and makes me think maybe Ed got it wrong.

AnotherOpinion on August 3, 2011 at 8:10 PM

I’m disappointed that Sowell lined up behind the Ruling Class against the tea party. I’ve been a fan in the past but his credibility has certainly been damaged.

FloatingRock on August 3, 2011 at 5:28 PM

Ha! Then no one will ever meet your standard of “my way or the highway”…try reading the link again and point out where you disagree with him.
It has been about 4 hours, and countless tries of getting someone to point out specifically where they think Sowell is wrong…and so far no one has the intellect to actually state what that is, but they sure know how to insult.
He is stating that the strategy is effective, it has crippled the liberals.
But what will happen is the high unreachable standard of much of the Tea Party will make it so the libs can recover…thanks a lot for trying to spoil a great victory…glad you guys aren’t running a war, every battle that didn’t win the war would be a disaster…

right2bright on August 3, 2011 at 8:15 PM

Yer not helping yer case genius.

Tim_CA on August 3, 2011 at 6:42 PM

Another rush to judgment, based on incomplete information.

1. I WAS interested in his platform, since it was about reducing the size of government, and cutting budgets.

2. I was living in Utah, where George Sr., was inevitably going to win in a landslide. So, I voted for Perot to try to send a message. I think that’s the only state where Perot came in 2nd, but I’m not sure. If he didn’t outpoll Clinton, it was danged close.

So, you see, you REALLY don’t know where you’re throwing those labels of yours. But, don’t let reality get in the way of a temper tantrum or diatribe…

OnlyOrange on August 3, 2011 at 8:29 PM

This wasn’t a skirmish. It was a full on battle in an ideological war that fiscal conservatives have been losing, and badly, for a long time. Some of us (I am one) believe that America is poised to decline and fall as an economic and political world power within the next decade. That’s how badly this war is going.
This latest battle can best be called a draw, given that the progressive attack was blunted and we have bought some breathing space until expected reinforcements arrive in 2012. But the enemy also has time to plot and scheme to dishearten us. And we will have defectors.
Still, a draw, at this point is far better than the alternative of surrender.
Ed’s no RINO.

Randy

williars on August 3, 2011 at 9:14 PM

Dr. Sowell is a respected economist. However, no one has a crystal ball, and past experience is no predictor of the future. George Washington had time on his side. By retreating he could buy time. We are facing an avalanche of debt that is chasing us; and if this course is not reversed, it will soon overwhelm and destroy this nation, as it grows larger and larger each day. In short, the grave danger is that the clock, which we do not control, will simply run out; taking us beyond the point of financial and economic recovery.

$17 trillion in debt is a colossal amount of money. Current interest on the debt exceeds $300 billion a year. We are projected to incur deficits of at least $1 trillion a year for the next 9 years. As Admiral Mullen said last year, annual interest on the debt will soon approximate annual defense spending, jeopardizing our military capacity, in a world with growing threats.

Thus, the situation is rapidly approaching or has reached the point of criticality. We simply do not have time to spare in stopping the growth of federal spending before it is too late. Pain now would be a better prescription than delaying treatment and allowing the problem to spread to the point of financial and economic collapse.

The Republicans in the House could have won this fight. All they had to do was stand firm on CCB. When you negotiate you have to be able to walk away from the table to win. Boehner should have walked away after CCB; and went out and explained the situation to the American people who are behind CCB by 66%.

He gave up all the leverage by signaling to the President and the Dems he would never walk away from the table. When your opponent knows you will not walk away from the table, you lose. You cannot negotiate out of fear.

Perhaps we will have one more shot at preserving the nation, before we go bankrupt, and no longer have the resources to defend freedom. This one last opportunity will be in November of 2012. Yet, there is little reason to have confidence in any establishment republican political figure to do anything other than continue to compromise the nation into oblivion. Most of them have demonstrated they cannot be trusted, other than to do that which benefits them personally.

The only non-establishment Republican political figures with any chance of being elected President are the women, Bachmann, and Palin; and perhaps Perry, but his record includes wavering from conservative principles; so it is difficult to know whether he would compromise or stand firm on principle – which is the fundamental reason we find ourselves in this disasterous situation. Our people have decided to place “preference” over “principle;” and we are clearly experiencing the catastrophic consequences of having done so.

It seems now that only the Tea Party people, and those who support them, understand the magnitude of our desperate situation. They wanted to act now, by imposing pain now, to ensure security and preservation later.

The Tea Party understands the urgency of the situation, which is probably attributable to the fact that they are among the older of our citizens, who understand the importance of time-tested common sense principles, upon which this nation was founded; including the danger of debt, and the consequences of ignoring them. They understand that problems unaddressed grow worse with time; they do not go away or get better. It is a principle of Scripture that you will reap what you sow; every farmer understands this principle; and right now we are reaping the consequences of having sown debt, financial corruption. This debt is an existential threat to life as we know it; and I pray that the recent actions by our national leaders, is not too little, too late.

SheetAnchor on August 3, 2011 at 9:17 PM

This is the kind of shallow “analysis” that’s come to be accepted in our political system.

It’s no longer … “Hey, is this good for the country?”

It’s … “Hey, we passed a crap bill that doesn’t do a damn thing – but heh, who was it that WON?”

Most in the Tea Party don’t consider this to be a “victory”.

Here’s the definition of VICTORY … Omaha Beach. We took that beach at great expense and either killed, captured, or drove off every Nazi that was on it.

Now – if we compare this Tea Party “Victory” to Omaha beach … what we really end up with is something looking like …

Eisenhour, Roosevelt, and Churchill – can’t come to an agreement on the D-Day invasion. Basically, ALL of them say it’s too dangerous – and they’ll lose the war if they attempt it. However, they know they can’t win the war unless they take back France soooo …

They decide “Hey! Let’s have a DRILL instead!!”

So they order all the ships to fire up their boilers and see how fast the soldiers can board the ships – then each ship takes turns casting off lines – moving out into the harbor – and then moving back to the pier to take their lines back aboard and moor the ship.

WOW – WHAT A VICTORY!!

Normandy STILL in German hands … not a shot fired … a LOT of wasted and expensive effort … and NOTHING DONE ABOUT THE PROBLEM!

But … by golly … that DRILL WAS A STEP!! And one day … one day … we’re gonna take Omaha Beach but, more likely – we’ll just wait for our kids to deal with it because we are too damn scared.

AMERICA’S GREATEST GENERATION!!

Booo Yaaaah!

(yawn)

HondaV65 on August 3, 2011 at 2:43 PM

You’re damn right. This post is the dumbest post-mortem analysis I’ve seen on this “deal” so far, and that’s saying quite a bit.

Cylor on August 3, 2011 at 11:29 PM

This was a horribly messy process. It wasn’t so much a win-win result as a win-some-lose-a-lot result. Obama lost his attempt to blame the Republicans, and lost his attempt to make the Republicans agree to raise taxes, which means he lost what could have potentially won him a re-election. But he won the ability to spend money on his issues, and to push back having to deal with this issue before the next election. Those were huge gains for Obama.

Anyone who is really happy with this deal doesn’t understand this deal. The biggest frustration for many is the feeling that we could have held out for better. But I can’t help but be pleased that Boehner didn’t cave in and agree to raising taxes, because that was the poison pill that Obama really wanted.

So does that mean that the only reason I’m halfway pleased with this deal is because I was expecting so much less?

I guess so.

didymus on August 3, 2011 at 11:55 PM

Without the efforts of the Tea Party, this bill could have been worse than its approved version.

In that respect, it is a victory for the Tea Party, but not so much.

But wait, we don’t have enough arms to do what we really want in the interest of this country. Both the WH and the Senate are ruled by anti-fiscal responsibility politicians.

Unless we elect a real Conservative or somebody who has the capacity to humbly listen to its people, we will be having a more dangerous budget/debt bill in the future with potential of totally destroying the current weak economic system of this country.

The question now is for all Republicans and All Moderates who can still hear reason:

CAN WE TRUST A RINO TO PROVIDE BETTER ALTERNATIVE TO THIS LEGISLATION IN THE NEAREST FUTURE?

The freakin’ choice is for us to contemplate on.

TheAlamos on August 4, 2011 at 2:50 AM

HondaV65 on August 3, 2011 at 2:43 PM
You’re damn right. This post is the dumbest post-mortem analysis I’ve seen on this “deal” so far, and that’s saying quite a bit.

Cylor on August 3, 2011 at 11:29 PM

It is worse than what HondaV65 described. We could have made a principled stand, and called Obama’s bluff.

But NOOOoooooo….., those “R” DC Insiders surrendered as usual when enemy was first spotted (after making some boasts), and corrupted some of the freshman class colleagues.

Re: people bring up West’s vote
It is Col. West’s choice if he’s going to stand WITH the Tea Party or not.

Sir Napsalot on August 4, 2011 at 10:47 AM

So, you see, you REALLY don’t know where you’re throwing those labels of yours. But, don’t let reality get in the way of a temper tantrum or diatribe…

OnlyOrange on August 3, 2011 at 8:29 PM

Reality?? LMAO…. run-awaaaaaaaay and hide, chicken-sh!t!!!! that’s your reality.

You bore me…and you add nothing to the debate….go cuddle up with your hero boner and wait for the world to end.

Loser.

Tim_CA on August 4, 2011 at 11:49 AM

Tea Party won? We all lost. This was a joke that showed neither side is serious.

Rightyismighty on August 4, 2011 at 11:57 AM

How about we compromise LOL…

Let’s focus on winning one more… or is that too much of incrementalism for you?

Does that violate your principles because you didn’t get ALL you wanted, WHEN you wanted it? Or, do the tantrums continue?

OnlyOrange on August 3, 2011 at 5:04 PM

Name one thing that we actually GAINED from the deal.

Also, you’re a hypocrite.

So can you try using something other than intimidation and name-calling when your logic cannot prevail?

OnlyOrange on August 3, 2011 at 6:26 PM

So, you decry name calling but engage in ridicule and mockery.

Got it.

fossten on August 4, 2011 at 12:09 PM

Reality?? LMAO…. run-awaaaaaaaay and hide, chicken-sh!t!!!! that’s your reality.

You bore me…and you add nothing to the debate….go cuddle up with your hero boner and wait for the world to end.

Loser.

Tim_CA on August 4, 2011 at 11:49 AM

Name one thing that we actually GAINED from the deal.

Also, you’re a hypocrite.

So can you try using something other than intimidation and name-calling when your logic cannot prevail?

OnlyOrange on August 3, 2011 at 6:26 PM
So, you decry name calling but engage in ridicule and mockery.

Got it.

fossten on August 4, 2011 at 12:09 PM

OnlyOrange on August 4, 2011 at 1:35 PM

Ah, tag-teaming, I see… that tells me that I hit close to the target.

Yeah, REALITY sucks some times… what are either of you going to do about it, other than call names, throw tantrums, and insult and shoot at your allies?

Your circular firing squads really add a lot to the discussion and aid the cause, right?

OnlyOrange on August 4, 2011 at 1:40 PM

Ah, tag-teaming, I see… that tells me that I hit close to the target.

Yeah, REALITY sucks some times… what are either of you going to do about it, other than call names, throw tantrums, and insult and shoot at your allies?

Your circular firing squads really add a lot to the discussion and aid the cause, right?

OnlyOrange on August 4, 2011 at 1:40 PM

When in doubt, ignore your own hypocrisy and run from the debate while hurling taunts over your shoulder.

fossten on August 4, 2011 at 2:14 PM

Who has run?

What hypocrisy? Show me where I’ve called you or anyone a name? HINT: I haven’t…

If I’ve characterized your behavior as childish, i.e. throwing tantrums, that’s because it is…

OnlyOrange on August 4, 2011 at 2:29 PM

Show me where I’ve called you or anyone a name? HINT: I haven’t…

If I’ve characterized your behavior as childish, i.e. throwing tantrums, that’s because it is…

OnlyOrange on August 4, 2011 at 2:29 PM

ROTFLMAO…so now you’re deciding what constitutes “name calling”?

Look, squish…to some of us this was a blown opportunity….and seeing as those very people you call “Childish” prevented boner 1.0…you can thank us anytime.

You’re willing to settle for a deal that still robs our children’s future. We’re not.

What you call a “tantrum” we call patriotism……you couldn’t be more different than us….so how about this:

Keep Voting Conservative.
Keep Hiding behind boner’s skirt.
And STFU when people braver than you stand up for our rights.

Again…..you’re a chicken sh!t.

Tim_CA on August 4, 2011 at 4:41 PM

Tim_CA on August 4, 2011 at 4:41 PM

So, want to tell me how you and fossten personally prevented Boner 1.0?

I’ll wait…

BTW, I’m glad I’m different than you… :)

OnlyOrange on August 4, 2011 at 4:52 PM

Your circular firing squads really add a lot to the discussion and aid the cause, right?

OnlyOrange on August 4, 2011 at 1:40 PM

LMAO!!

Rhetorical bulls!t.

The TEA “Firing squad” was aimed directly at liberal spending policy….can’t help it that people (exactly like you) who like to spend get caught in the crossfire.

Those are casualties I don’t grieve.

Maybe it’s time to reconsider party affiliation?

Tim_CA on August 4, 2011 at 4:56 PM

I’ll wait…

BTW, I’m glad I’m different than you… :)

OnlyOrange on August 4, 2011 at 4:52 PM

We didn’t douche…people like you who did nothing did…OK?

You win.

Boner’s surrender had nothing to do with extreme pressure from his right flank. It had nothing to do with the thousands of calls, e-mails and sites like this.
/

You really don’t read much do you?

Again ya willfully blind d-bag::

Keep voting conservative
Keep Hiding behind boner’s skirt.
And STFU when people braver than you stand up for our rights.

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Tim_CA on August 4, 2011 at 5:20 PM

BTW, I’m glad I’m different than you… :)

OnlyOrange on August 4, 2011 at 4:52 PM

Me too…you’re the perfect object lesson:

Establishment Entrenched Republican vs. True conservative.

Thank you…no one has ever made it so easy.

It’s rare that you find a squish that denies the TEA Party’s influence (particularly when it comes to the debt ceiling debate)…most are just scared….

I take it back genius….you’re not a coward…you’re just a plain old idiot.

My bad…..makes alot more sense now.

Tim_CA on August 4, 2011 at 5:28 PM

Keep voting conservative

And STFU when people braver than you stand up for our rights.

Tim_CA on August 4, 2011 at 5:20 PM

I certainly intend to keep voting conservative… though I certainly don’t need your permission nor approval.

And I’m not an establishment entrenched Republican, but let’s not let those pesky facts get in your way of a good rant.

I’ve also spent the lion’s share of my life in uniform defending your right to throw these verbal tantrums, call people names, or whatever…

Yes, you “keyboard warriors” really know what bravery means… I and COL West certainly might think otherwise.

OnlyOrange on August 4, 2011 at 5:53 PM

And I’m not an establishment entrenched Republican, but let’s not let those pesky facts get in your way of a good rant.

Oh heck no…you’re just a boner-supporting, TEA-Party Denier that shills for liberal spending policy (i.e boners “deal”)….you call patriots “childish” and accuse people who are trying to get serious about debt of “throwing Tantrums”……..Gosh Darn those “Pesky facts”.

Yes, you “keyboard warriors” really know what bravery means… I and COL West certainly might think otherwise.

OnlyOrange on August 4, 2011 at 5:53 PM

blah…blah…..blah…..grab a nap pops and remember:

Keep voting conservative

Keep Hiding behind boner’s skirt.

And STFU when people braver than you stand up for our rights.

Tim_CA on August 4, 2011 at 6:03 PM

And STFU when people braver than you stand up for our rights.

Tim_CA on August 4, 2011 at 6:03 PM

Sorry, Charlie, but freedom of speech works both ways, and even applies to those who don’t agree with you, or that you can’t intimidate…

Are you still the bully of the schoolyard, or only of your partent’s basement?

I learned long ago the difference between bravery and bravado — maybe you will someday… :)

OnlyOrange on August 4, 2011 at 7:20 PM

I learned long ago the difference between bravery and bravado — maybe you will someday… :)

OnlyOrange on August 4, 2011 at 7:20 PM

whatev’s sally…isn’t matlock on?

;-]

Tim_CA on August 4, 2011 at 7:42 PM

Tim_CA on August 4, 2011 at 7:42 PM

Wrong again, I’m not Sally, but this is close enough…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcQKtl3MGCE

OnlyOrange on August 4, 2011 at 8:15 PM

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