Poll: Just 22 percent of Tea Partiers approve of debt deal

posted at 6:45 pm on August 3, 2011 by Tina Korbe

While pundits across the political spectrum tout the debt deal as a win for the Tea Party and as progressives betray their frustration at Tea Party principles with appalling, anything-but-civil rhetoric, Tea Partiers themselves confess themselves displeased with the debt accord that took such an agonizingly long period of non-productivity to reach:

In a USA TODAY/Gallup Poll taken hours after the Senate passed and President Obama signed the deal, a 46% plurality disapprove of the agreement; 39% approve. Only one in five see it as a “step forward” in addressing the federal debt. …

The poll finds some paradoxes.

Though Tea Party conservatives succeeded in setting the parameters of the debate, supporters of the Tea Party are among those most unhappy with the outcome. Only 22% of Tea Party supporters approve of the deal, compared with 26% of Republicans generally and 58% of Democrats.

And although Obama and congressional Democrats failed to make higher taxes on the wealthy part of the agreement, moderate and liberal Democrats were among those who rate it most highly. Two-thirds of moderate Democrats approve of the agreement.

Frankly, I wouldn’t call those results paradoxical at all. What’s hard to understand about Tea Party disappointment with the deal, given that it didn’t achieve the top Tea Party priority — that is, given that it did little to create real procedural or structural reform in the way Washington spends taxpayer dollars? What’s hard to understand about moderate and liberal Democrats liking business as usual?

Let the establishment on both sides tell Tea Partiers to be content: They’re not buying it. They know the real work is still ahead.

 

 


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It appears that we are going to have to continue to stab this thing with our steely knives. We thought we could jab it a couple times and get ‘er done…natch, that’s not the case. Federal spending is like a 100mph freight train–it has to be slowed down, stopped, then reversed…it appears that it simply has too much momentum and organizational inertia to redirect it in a mere 7-8 mos of a Congressional session.

ted c on August 3, 2011 at 6:48 PM

Bunch of childish, possibly psychotics!
/MSNBC

carbon_footprint on August 3, 2011 at 6:49 PM

Poll: Just 22 percent of Tea Partiers approve of debt deal

Why would they?…it accomplished nothing, and outed the speaker as a wobbly-knee’d establishment hack.

Whopeeeeeee (not)

Tim_CA on August 3, 2011 at 6:49 PM

But the other 78% wouldn’t be happy with any deal. They want no cuts and no more spending. That was never going to happen.

portlandon on August 3, 2011 at 6:50 PM

no cuts

portlandon on August 3, 2011 at 6:50 PM

This debt deal stinks, but what do I know? Martin Bashir just said I was psychotic.

Knucklehead on August 3, 2011 at 6:53 PM

That’s 22 percent too many.

FloatingRock on August 3, 2011 at 6:54 PM

Just 22 percent of Tea Partiers approve of debt deal

I predict that 22% will be happy having this question asked of them again in 2013.

Electrongod on August 3, 2011 at 6:54 PM

That’s 22% of TP who don’t understand that there’s still no budget. That means that basically Boehner gave O a debt increase that will be automatically maxed out by a Congress that will not set a budget.

joeindc44 on August 3, 2011 at 6:57 PM

Government spending will still increase after budget cuts

Yahoo news headline right now. Heh.

CW on August 3, 2011 at 7:00 PM

Contessa Brewer wants to know if any of those psychotics have a n economics degree.

BacaDog on August 3, 2011 at 7:01 PM

To stay angry is to stay focused on the goal. Other than a outright default, this could not have worked out better in that regard.

Hucklebuck on August 3, 2011 at 7:05 PM

Government spending will still increase after budget cuts

Yahoo news headline right now. Heh.

CW on August 3, 2011 at 7:00 PM

And this is the only thing that matters.

Make the debt ceiling eleventy gazillion dollars, who cares? That wouldn’t hurt a darned thing, if it were a CEILING. But it’s not; it’s a FLOOR; and Washington will work day and night to reach it and then blow past it, and keep right on rising.

CUT GOVERNMENT SPENDING. That’s the only thing any taxpayer cares about. And the GOP didn’t just fail us on that score; it kicked us in the teeth over and over again and then laughed about it.

logis on August 3, 2011 at 7:06 PM

” Only 22% of Tea Party supporters approve of the deal,…”

Wha…?

Blasphemers!!

…Heretics All!!

Begin the Inquisitions…!!!

/

Seven Percent Solution on August 3, 2011 at 7:07 PM

This news just in: water is wet, snow is cold, and rocks roll downhill.

OhioCoastie on August 3, 2011 at 7:08 PM

It isn’t surprising at all that the Tea Party members aren’t pleased. I think they did all they could do, considering what they were up against.

This bill did not cut spending. I don’t see how difficult that is to understand. It increased spending, added to the deficit and kicked the can down the road….again.

Why the House keeps preaching “no tax increases” is beyond me. That super committee is there for that purpose. I haven’t read that it is limited in how it decreases the deficit. What if they agree to eliminate the Bush tax cuts?
Or the Mortgage deductions? State Income Tax & Real Estate deductions? That would certainly reduce the deficit and increase revenue, but it would be a tax increase.

I still think that Super Committee needs to be challenged as it can’t be Constitutional.

If nothing else, McConnell put it in there for a reason and most likely not a good one.

After this I hardly trust any of them.

bluefox on August 3, 2011 at 7:08 PM

The MSM is sure afraid of a loose association of people with no mission statement, or leader, or organization, or headquarters.

batterup on August 3, 2011 at 7:08 PM

Frankly, I wouldn’t call those results paradoxical at all. What’s hard to understand about Tea Party disappointment with the deal, given that it didn’t achieve the top Tea Party priority — that is, given that it did little to create real procedural or structural reform in the way Washington spends taxpayer dollars? What’s hard to understand about moderate and liberal Democrats liking business as usual?

Let the establishment on both sides tell Tea Partiers to be content: They’re not buying it. They know the real work is still ahead.

Wow, Tina, simply wow!

Keep churning out articles like this and you will soon become my “most favoritest” blogger evah… :).

On a more serious note, this shows that YOU get it!

TheRightMan on August 3, 2011 at 7:11 PM

US borrowing tops 100% of GDP: Treasury
US debt shot up $238 billion to reach 100 percent of gross domestic project after the government’s debt ceiling was lifted, Treasury figures showed Wednesday.

Treasury borrowing jumped Tuesday, the data showed, immediately after President Barack Obama signed into law an increase in the debt ceiling as the country’s spending commitments reached a breaking point and it threatened to default on its debt.

The new borrowing took total public debt to $14.58 trillion, over end-2010 GDP of $14.53 trillion, and putting it in a league with highly indebted countries like Italy and Belgium.

http://news.yahoo.com/us-aaa-rating-still-under-threat-204040123.html

Wow, I’ll bet NOBODY saw this coming!/

sicoit on August 3, 2011 at 7:13 PM

logis on August 3, 2011 at 7:06 PM

Right, a false ceiling at that, LOL Similar to the “minimum” wage which is actually a maximum. Using terms out of context is what politians do.

This was all planned and for the most part a stage show, in my opinion. All behind closed doors. Then after this treachery was complete, they want our thanks. GRRRRRRR!!

I’m surprised even 22% of Tea Party members approved this.

bluefox on August 3, 2011 at 7:18 PM

OT: Rasmussen Poll: 53% Oppose Debt Deal, 22% Approve

And note, this is 22% of the public NOT only tea partiers.

Good job, Boehner and McConnell! You’ve not only stabbed conservatives/tea partiers in the back – you also managed to alienate the majority of Americans on this issue.

How is this different from the Dems approach to Obamacare. Oh but keep annoying us… after all, we have no other option but to keep voting for the GOP, right? /sarc

TheRightMan on August 3, 2011 at 7:20 PM

Like Italy? And all we get here are stinkin frozen pizzas.

Don L on August 3, 2011 at 7:21 PM

This Chart Says It All

http://pointsandfigures.com/2011/07/30/this-chart-says-it-all/

Chip on August 3, 2011 at 7:21 PM

Oops! I forgot to add the link:

Rasmussen Poll: 53% Oppose Debt Deal, 22% Approve

TheRightMan on August 3, 2011 at 7:23 PM

Ahhh the New Civility…

New York Democrat: Tea Party Is The “New Mafia”…

http://weaselzippers.us/2011/08/03/new-york-democrat-tea-party-is-the-new-mafia/

Chip on August 3, 2011 at 7:26 PM

ted c is right.

We need to blow up the tracks on this runaway Congressional spending train.

Roy Rogers on August 3, 2011 at 7:29 PM

The Tea Party is certainly not happy. All we did was raise the debt ceiling to a gargantuan $17 trillion; in exchange for a promise that the government would not take any more of our hard earned money for the moment; and a promised $2.5 trillion in cuts. So instead of increasing the debt by $10 trillion, it will only increase $7 trillion.

http://paul.senate.gov/?p=press_release&id=280

Can you hear the rock group Rare Earth, “I just want to celebrate!” sarc/

SheetAnchor on August 3, 2011 at 7:30 PM

Frankly, I wouldn’t call those results paradoxical at all. What’s hard to understand about Tea Party disappointment with the deal, given that it didn’t achieve the top Tea Party priority — that is, given that it did little to create real procedural or structural reform in the way Washington spends taxpayer dollars? What’s hard to understand about moderate and liberal Democrats liking business as usual?

Nobody supports this deal. It is what it is until 2012 and O’s ass is kicked down the road instead of the proverbial cans.

Buy Danish on August 3, 2011 at 7:31 PM

Tina, a political pundit on this very site told us it was a victory.

Diversity!

Hongqi on August 3, 2011 at 7:31 PM

Only 22% of Tea Party supporters approve of the deal, compared with 26% of Republicans generally and 58% of Democrats.

You seriously can’t make stuff like this up.

So our so-called leaders negotiated a deal that is supported by 22% of the Tea Party that brought them to power and 26% of Republicans (in general)? But 58% of Dems support the deal?

And we are supposed to beat our chests and say “We won!” A Charlie Sheen type of “winning” indeed!

TheRightMan on August 3, 2011 at 7:34 PM

So, if Congress can appoint a “Super Committee” to do the job they were elected to do, how long before Obama appoints a “Chief Executive Czar” to do HIS job?

Valerie Jarrett gets preferential points?

Roy Rogers on August 3, 2011 at 7:35 PM

So our so-called leaders negotiated a deal that is supported by 22% of the Tea Party that brought them to power and 26% of Republicans (in general)? But 58% of Dems support the deal?

And we are supposed to beat our chests and say “We won!” A Charlie Sheen type of “winning” indeed!

TheRightMan on August 3, 2011 at 7:34 PM

And how will the Tea Party freshmen that failed to hold the line explain their votes to the Tea Party citizens and supporters who worked tirelessly to elect them? Perhaps there will be primary opposition to these representatives.

SheetAnchor on August 3, 2011 at 7:45 PM

And now there is this:

“US debt shot up $238 billion to reach 100 percent of gross domestic product after the government’s debt ceiling was lifted, Treasury figures showed Wednesday.”

“The new borrowing took total public debt to $14.58 trillion, over end-2010 GDP of $14.53 trillion, and putting it in a league with highly indebted countries like Italy and Belgium.”

Time is working against us.

http://news.yahoo.com/us-aaa-rating-still-under-threat-204040123.html

SheetAnchor on August 3, 2011 at 7:48 PM

The poll finds some paradoxes.

There are paradoxes in all the polls pertaining to this subject.

I have seen polls that said most people want a deal, most do not want a deal, most people want only tax hikes, most people want only spending cuts, most people want tax hikes and spending cuts, most people blame Obama, most people blame the Republicans..and on and on.

And then of course there is the fact that 53% of the Tea Party caucus voted for this bill. In fact more of them in the House voted for it than Democrats did.

I think people were just so completely disgusted with the process that they are completely turned off by anything that came out of it. If it turns out that the cuts are real and that they actually follow through with more cuts, people feel differently. But it will take time before they are ready to feel good about much of anything.

Terrye on August 3, 2011 at 7:57 PM

“if the cuts are real…”

Seriously????

Roy Rogers on August 3, 2011 at 7:59 PM

Thank God Congress is really, really serious now, and Obama has a laser like focus on our economic disaster!

What would we do without liberals and their RINO enablers?

Roy Rogers on August 3, 2011 at 8:02 PM

Bwaaaaahaaaaaahaaa! Come on Tina. Don’t pay attention to the actual people, pay attention to the establishment. Get your a$$ in line! This is a WIN!

j_galt on August 3, 2011 at 8:02 PM

CW on August 3, 2011 at 7:27 PM

If we are a bunch of terrorists…. when can we expect Obama to become a fiscal conservative? He always has the hots for a new terrorist movement!

ajacksonian on August 3, 2011 at 8:07 PM

Roy Rogers on August 3, 2011 at 7:35 PM

I bet we’d all be surprised who is REALLY behind the curtain:-)

bluefox on August 3, 2011 at 8:17 PM

Roy Rogers on August 3, 2011 at 8:02 PM

Prosper? LOL

bluefox on August 3, 2011 at 8:19 PM

If this debt deal doesn’t show you guys how irrelevant the Tea Party is, nothing will.

NoStoppingUs on August 3, 2011 at 8:33 PM

WOW!!!!The tea party consist of psychotics, terrorists, and schizophrenic Hobbits. Is that dysfuntional or what?

mobydutch on August 3, 2011 at 9:00 PM

And how will the Tea Party freshmen that failed to hold the line explain their votes to the Tea Party citizens and supporters who worked tirelessly to elect them? Perhaps there will be primary opposition to these representatives.

SheetAnchor on August 3, 2011 at 7:45 PM
Yes, and there are a few very arrogant freshmen that think they have become much smarter since they arrived in DC.

mobydutch on August 3, 2011 at 9:03 PM

The Tea Party has recklessly diminished the power and reach of the United States.

Is Cohen so dense to believe that other countries aren’t completely more aware of the current monetary situation than the average American ? Putin was bashing Americans just the other day as “parasites,” and he isn’t too far off the truth.

This debt problem isn’t just a domestic problem. The continued running up of the debt and monetary tricks with the dollar is as bad for foreign relations as any “Ugly American” policy of the past.

J_Crater on August 3, 2011 at 11:01 PM

Of course, because we’re the guys Alfred mentioned in the Dark Knight: “Some men just want to see the world burn.”

That’s what the spin on this will be. We didn’t cripple the government, so we’re not happy.

Obama just borrowed 900 billion! Sounds like they’re going to throw a debt ceiling raising party!

Axeman on August 3, 2011 at 11:20 PM

J_Crater on August 3, 2011 at 11:01 PM

I just wanted to go off on a little mock screed about something you said: You think a Ruskie was not “too far off the truth”. Reagan thought of them as the “Evil Empire”! Now you’re siding with the enemy!! who called us “parasites”! See, I told you tea partiers are traitors!

The left is supposed to be able to understand “nuance”, that they have been trying to tell us conservatives for years that things are more complex than simple labels (as if no conservative took this into account), but for their invective they need easy labels to jump to and fro, easy implications, easy recognizable categories. What they don’t see is if they ever had any finer appreciation for subtlety, they’ve killed it with sloganizing everything, just to win the PR battle. Because a salesman has to sell himself.

It’s funny that Putin can call Americans “parasites” and for conservatives to find it not to far off the mark. It’s definitely not inexplicable, but it can be hard to follow sometimes. And especially to a side that has gotten used to bombast and slogans to make their “points”. And thinking that if it’s a point that takes subtlety, the conservatives must have missed it (definitionally).

Axeman on August 3, 2011 at 11:34 PM

What’s hard to understand about Tea Party disappointment with the deal, given that it didn’t achieve the top Tea Party priority — that is, given that it did little to create real procedural or structural reform in the way Washington spends taxpayer dollars? What’s hard to understand about moderate and liberal Democrats liking business as usual?

A couple of things, this was not really the vehicle by which to produce that kind of change, especially with only one chamber of the House. For another, the majority of the Tea Party caucus voted for this with Emmanuel Cleaver on the Democratic side calling it a Satan sandwich. Democrats did not like the bill, they just feared the alternative more than the conservatives did.

And I really do not consider it business as usual. It is not business as usual to even make an issue of raising the debt ceiling. It is not business as usual to tie spending cuts to raising that debt ceiling.

I think the problem a lot of conservatives had is that they had unrealistic expectations to begin with. The truth is it will take a long time to turn this thing around. It will not happen in one vote on one bill.

Terrye on August 4, 2011 at 7:02 AM

correction needed:

While pundits across the political spectrum tout the debt deal as a win for work overtime attempting to pin the deal on the Tea Party…..

The Tea Party hardly set up the parameters for the debate, or we would not be facing this morning’s headline:

US borrowing tops 100% of GDP: Treasury

US debt shot up $238 billion to reach 100 percent of gross domestic project after the government’s debt ceiling was lifted, Treasury figures showed Wednesday.

Treasury borrowing jumped Tuesday, the data showed, immediately after President Barack Obama signed into law an increase in the debt ceiling as the country’s spending commitments reached a breaking point and it threatened to default on its debt.

The new borrowing took total public debt to $14.58 trillion, over end-2010 GDP of $14.53 trillion, and putting it in a league with highly indebted countries like Italy and Belgium

The only parameter set by the Tea Party was the fence put around them to avoid having to change business as usual in Washington

There wasn’t debate on this bill which was created in a closet, and passed using the same rubber hoses used to pass Obamacare – except this time, the GOP establishment was part of the dog pack

entagor on August 4, 2011 at 12:38 PM