Super! EPA going after ozone now

posted at 10:05 am on August 2, 2011 by Jazz Shaw

In what has become a depressingly repeating pattern, if you take your eyes off of the EPA for too long they get up to all sorts of plans to “save” America. When they’re not fiddling around with vehicle mileage standards or cross-state emission regulation plans, they apparently spend their time taking a fresh look at ozone standards. They were originally set to issue some new guidelines on July 29 during the height of the debt debate, but the plan was temporarily tabled. Now, however, it’s back on the menu.

The U.S. economy won a temporary reprieve with the Environmental Protection Agency’s (EPA) announcement last week that new ozone standards, which had been slated for this summer, will be delayed. The EPA’s “reconsideration” of the ozone standards it set in 2008 and issuance of more stringent standards violate all three of the fundamental values EPA Administrator Lisa Jackson pledged to honor: “science-based policies and programs, adherence to the rule of law, and overwhelming transparency.”[1]

This enormously expensive regulation is unsupported by scientific evidence, violates the Clean Air Act (CAA), and appears timed to evade ongoing judicial review of the rulemaking process. Even the EPA’s estimate that the new rule will impose up to $90 billion in compliance costs annually[2] severely understates the impact on economic development and jobs in communities where attainment of the new standards will be impossible.

Back in 2008 the standard for ozone levels was set at an already challenging level of 75 ppb (parts per billion). Combined with other efforts, both regulatory and voluntary on the part of industry, air quality has been steadily improving from low points in the seventies. So why tinker with success, right?

Never ones to let a little think like that stop them, the EPA is now pushing to tighten the ozone standard to 60 ppb. (A proposal which has raised any number of eyebrows, since certain popular destinations fail to meet that standard today, including Yellowstone National Park.) But this will at least improve everyone’s health, right? According to a new study from NERA Economic Consulting, the health benefits are “greatly exaggerated” at best.

EPA’s assumed causal relationship between ozone and mortality has not been supported by EPA’s science advisors;

The health benefits EPA attributes to the tighter ozone standard should are due to a slight reduction in particulate matter (dust), which already is regulated separately by EPA; and

The EPA’s own data show that the benefits of the proposed ozone standard will not outweigh the costs.

But there must be some upside to this, right? We’re all supposed to focus on jobs now, as I recall. Hopefully this will at least help us out on that front!

Oh, it’s going to have an effect, alright. A study by Manufacturers Alliance/MAPI estimates that strengthening the ozone standard to 60 ppb could cost the U.S. economy more than $1 trillion per year between 2020 and 2030, and destroy 7.3 million jobs.

You may now return to your regularly scheduled banging of your heads against the wall.

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Don’t worry, the GOP has your back.

Oil Can on August 2, 2011 at 10:07 AM

can someone explain to me how ozone is a pollutant when in the 80′s everyone was in a panic because we didn’t have enough of the stuff? Remember the hole in the ozone layer?

mizflame98 on August 2, 2011 at 10:07 AM

I wish we could get rid of ALL these people in the 0-zone*.
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*0bama Zone

LegendHasIt on August 2, 2011 at 10:10 AM

So what the heck is the EPA going to do, regulate thunderstorms because of the lightening they create? I mean, do the idiots who run that agency even live in the same reality the rest of us happen to reside in?

pilamaye on August 2, 2011 at 10:10 AM

We will never get rid of regulation, but we must get rid of the executive creation of regulations. The problem with the EPA is that it has the ability to create new regulations. And being a government bureaucracy it will never stop doing so no matter how absurd the regulation. These people must continue to justify their existence.

The only way to end this is to remove the authority to create regulations from all regulatory bodies. Maintain them as enforcement agencies only. Put the creation mechanisms back into the hands of congress and congress only.

NotCoach on August 2, 2011 at 10:12 AM

You may now return to your regularly scheduled banging of your heads against the wall.

*thump*
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*thump*

Count to 10 on August 2, 2011 at 10:12 AM

The EPA’s own data show that the benefits of the proposed ozone standard will not outweigh the costs.

Well then…lets do it.

If only we could harness ozone producing lightning…we could save the planet from itself.

Electrongod on August 2, 2011 at 10:13 AM

The only way to end this is to remove the authority to create regulations from all regulatory bodies. Maintain them as enforcement agencies only. Put the creation mechanisms back into the hands of congress and congress only.
NotCoach on August 2, 2011 at 10:12 AM

Yep.

Count to 10 on August 2, 2011 at 10:13 AM

Stupid government gone wild. I wasn’t aware that dust was regulated also. How in the heck do you regulate dirt? It is things like this that make you want to climb a tower with your AK

jistincase on August 2, 2011 at 10:14 AM

The true believers at EPA are hell bent on singlehandedly destroying America. No standard will ever be strict enough for them.

cool breeze on August 2, 2011 at 10:14 AM

And don’t forget their attempt to protect us all from dangerous levels of lead from the environment, by taking ammunition away from gun owners…

VastRightWingConspirator on August 2, 2011 at 10:14 AM

The Sun creates ozone, the sun destroys ozone.

Smell the ozone after a thunder storm … mmm smell the ozone. I am sure it wasn’t Joe farting again.

Obviously the EPA doesn’t want you to know.

tarpon on August 2, 2011 at 10:15 AM

I have to believe that the Founders didn’t intend for the stupidest people in America to have all the power. Maybe that’s just me, or maybe I’m reading history wrong, but I just can’t believe that THIS kind of shiite was their intent way back then.

Bishop on August 2, 2011 at 10:16 AM

Eff U, Richard Nixon!

TugboatPhil on August 2, 2011 at 10:16 AM

If the next Republican President doesn’t defund and disband the EPA, it’s third party time. They’ve become a direct threat to the republic. Even Walter Peck from Ghostbusters wasn’t this extreme.

Doughboy on August 2, 2011 at 10:16 AM

So what the heck is the EPA going to do, regulate thunderstorms because of the lightening they create? I mean, do the idiots who run that agency even live in the same reality the rest of us happen to reside in?

pilamaye on August 2, 2011 at 10:10 AM

I’m sure if the insanity continues to run amok, they will create a federal program to fund cloud seeding or some such thing to reduce thunderstorms. They’ve been cloud seeding for years in SW ND in the attempt to reduce hail storms.I’ve read their reports & they are convinced cloud seeding reduces hail. I was not convinced by their data, but when you have morons running the show, anything will convince them. Even the droning of their own lies.

Badger40 on August 2, 2011 at 10:16 AM

At this rate we’ll all have a horse and buggy in a few years with a mandated methane gas recovery system shoved up the horses ass…

PatriotRider on August 2, 2011 at 10:16 AM

Shut it down.

Vashta.Nerada on August 2, 2011 at 10:17 AM

And don’t forget their attempt to protect us all from dangerous levels of lead from the environment, by taking ammunition away from gun owners…

VastRightWingConspirator on August 2, 2011 at 10:14 AM

And protect the hungry from ‘lead’ contaminated game by banning all donations of game meats to soup kitchens.

Badger40 on August 2, 2011 at 10:17 AM

Badger40 on August 2, 2011 at 10:17 AM

Bcs they did that here in ND.

Badger40 on August 2, 2011 at 10:18 AM

At this rate we’ll all have a horse and buggy in a few years with a mandated methane gas recovery system shoved up the horses ass…

PatriotRider on August 2, 2011 at 10:16 AM

You don’t want to know how much of your tax dollars in the form of university grants are being spent upon desiging a feed ration to reduce methane in ungulates.

Badger40 on August 2, 2011 at 10:19 AM

Another reason why we need a conservative as POTUS and more in both houses to get rid of EPA and others. RINOs like Mittness won’t and will instead, expand their powers.

AH_C on August 2, 2011 at 10:19 AM

The Sun creates ozone, the sun destroys ozone. Smell the ozone after a thunder storm … mmm smell the ozone.
tarpon on August 2, 2011 at 10:15 AM

Great, another slopehead chimes in with a stupid comment that showcases his utter lack of knowledge about climate change.

The EPA is set to ban thunderstorms and order the sun to regulate its output, got it? Once they’re banned and regulated, no more ozone.

Why do I have to explain everything around here to the idiots.

Bishop on August 2, 2011 at 10:19 AM

Perhaps the first spending cuts to the U.S. Government should be the department of the EPA? Just saying if it doesn’t exist, it can’t impose draconian measures on the citizens of the United States.

Dr Evil on August 2, 2011 at 10:20 AM

Badger40 on August 2, 2011 at 10:19 AM

I would believe anything at this point…I mean after all, we dish out grants to study the penis size of gay guys…

PatriotRider on August 2, 2011 at 10:21 AM

Just more of the ‘do-gooders’ doing whats best for us. Even if they have to kill jobs. But hey! There’s always welfare, right?

As for the ridiculous mileage increases, guess the government is okay with increased highway deaths; seeing as the only practical method of getting better mileage is to decrease vehicle weight.

GarandFan on August 2, 2011 at 10:21 AM

Our most dangerous enemies collect paychecks from us. There is no stopping these guys until we stop paying them to cripple our economy. The rest of the world has to marvel at the sheer idiocy our country has apparently been wealthy enough to afford. Has to come to an end. No?

Sugar Land on August 2, 2011 at 10:21 AM

Congress should remove the EPA’s authorization to issue regulations. Instead, they should hold hearings etc but ultimately send prospective rules to Congress for ratification by simple majorities of both houses (no filibuster allowed). Congress could not add to the list or significantly alter it without using the standard lawmaking route with the President’s signature. Regardless of the underlying science, the decision on whether to regulate or how much is a political decision that should be subject to debate and approval by those accountable to the People.

This would not be a constitutional issue because the executive branch rulemaking authority is delegated by Congress when an agency is authorized.

deadman on August 2, 2011 at 10:23 AM

I wasn’t aware that dust was regulated also. How in the heck do you regulate dirt?
jistincase on August 2, 2011 at 10:14 AM

We here in agriculture land, the stix, where most roads are dirt roads, are being told we are to expect this regulatory behemoth to come to us soon.
I imagine that what will happens is that the EPA will hold states & counties liable for a certain % of dust creation of a certain size related to all sorts of activities such as farming, oil field truck traffic, semi truck traffic from farmers moving their products to market, etc. So I would imagine state DOTs would require EVEN MORE permit fees for vehicles of a certain size etc. travelling in the state.
Oh I can just see the possibilities!

Badger40 on August 2, 2011 at 10:23 AM

I mean what’s next??

PatriotRider on August 2, 2011 at 10:23 AM

How in the heck do you regulate dirt?
jistincase on August 2, 2011 at 10:14 AM

And probably also they would implement a plan to require so many miles of rural roads to be paved. And expensive endeavor that would bankrupt counties already struggling to maintain their rural road system. Plus oftentimes pavement is more dangerous & inpracticle in some areas, like where I live.

Badger40 on August 2, 2011 at 10:24 AM

Since ozone could potentially be harmful, would it not be wise to take away everything that could potentially be harmful to us?

May I suggest that the EPA take away PBO?

IMO, PBO is potentially the most harmful substance known to the United States, at the very least.

VibrioCocci on August 2, 2011 at 10:25 AM

So ozone has a half-life of around 3 days at 70F and 3 hours at 200F.
More global warming please.

Electrongod on August 2, 2011 at 10:25 AM

How come nobody’s hiring?

BHO

Key West Reader on August 2, 2011 at 10:25 AM

I mean what’s next??

PatriotRider on August 2, 2011 at 10:23 AM

Whatever your wild imagination can dream up!

Badger40 on August 2, 2011 at 10:26 AM

I mean what’s next??

PatriotRider on August 2, 2011 at 10:23 AM
Whatever your wild imagination can dream up!

Badger40 on August 2, 2011 at 10:26 AM

Remember when they wanted to regulate cow farts? It wasn’t that long ago.

Key West Reader on August 2, 2011 at 10:28 AM

Question: Who is the EPA accountable to?

Key West Reader on August 2, 2011 at 10:29 AM

So what Govt. steals from the front door (debt) the EPA steals through the back door (productivity/employment). If I didn’t know any better, I’d say many in D.C., primarily in the Executive branch, want to manufacture the collapse of the United States in order to fundamentally change her.

Weight of Glory on August 2, 2011 at 10:29 AM

I’ve got $100 billion over 10 years in savings for the Super Committee. Zero out the EPA Budget.
Additional savings, $10 trillion from the costs that will not be incurred by ridiculous rules.

Curmudgeon on August 2, 2011 at 10:31 AM

Question: Who is the EPA accountable to?

Key West Reader on August 2, 2011 at 10:29 AM

I see what you did there…..

Curmudgeon on August 2, 2011 at 10:32 AM

Remember when they wanted to regulate cow farts? It wasn’t that long ago.

Key West Reader on August 2, 2011 at 10:28 AM

They have not given up on that endeavor. They are playing around with rule options. They put them out there for the comment period to see what the public’s reaction is. Then they adjust from there. So instead of a big tax on livestock per animal, they may entertain a smaller ‘fee’ when you sell. Or may institute ‘permit fees’ for owning livestock, etc.
They do that crap all the time. Say here, this is what we’re thinking!
Then tone it down & come out with a less onerous rule & people go WHEW! We’ll take this rule anyday over the one they proposed 1st off!
When in reality they’ve got NO business proposing ANY rules at all!

Badger40 on August 2, 2011 at 10:36 AM

And then they get ya anyway bcs if you take out a federally subsidized ag loan, or take any type of ag payments, participate in disaster relief, etc.. they eventually have power over you bcs once you agree to play with the govt, they have a ‘right’ to make you play by their rules.

Badger40 on August 2, 2011 at 10:38 AM

they have a ‘right’ to make you play by their rules.

Badger40 on August 2, 2011 at 10:38 AM

That aren’t in print anywhere, & that they make up as they go along.

Badger40 on August 2, 2011 at 10:38 AM

I suppose the EPA will ban lightning, since it produces ozone.

sadatoni on August 2, 2011 at 10:41 AM

“The ozone layer acted stupidly and isn’t paying its fair share.”

/PBHO

Khun Joe on August 2, 2011 at 10:42 AM

In what has become a depressingly repeating pattern, if you take your eyes off of the EPA for too long they get up to all sorts of plans to “save” America.

Yea, god forbid we were concerned with our debt crisis.

RDE2010 on August 2, 2011 at 10:43 AM

God help me not again!!!!….

via Faux News…President Obama to Make a Statement on Debt Reduction Plan at 12:15 p.m. ET

PatriotRider on August 2, 2011 at 10:45 AM

Does this me ther will be a drinking game on a weekday at lunchtime??

PatriotRider on August 2, 2011 at 10:46 AM

I mean what’s next??

PatriotRider on August 2, 2011 at 10:23 AM
Whatever your wild imagination can dream up!

Badger40 on August 2, 2011 at 10:26 AM
Remember when they wanted to regulate cow farts? It wasn’t that long ago.

Key West Reader on August 2, 2011 at 10:28 AM

Next New York will attack the environment by claiming there aren’t enough rainbows. Wait…what are we talking about?

RDE2010 on August 2, 2011 at 10:47 AM

Notice I’m already sluring my words…

PatriotRider on August 2, 2011 at 10:47 AM

Regulatory jihad.

forest on August 2, 2011 at 10:48 AM

Oh I can just see the possibilities!

Badger40 on August 2, 2011 at 10:23 AM


How about the US DoT considering having all farm equipment operators to have a CDL? That ought to go over well with small family farms…

mauioriginal on August 2, 2011 at 10:52 AM

Regulatory jihad.

forest on August 2, 2011 at 10:48 AM

BINGO

Badger40 on August 2, 2011 at 10:52 AM

Stop It!

I was subjected to a 1-hour and a 2-hour rolling blackout at 5 and 9 PM last night. In Texas! Good grief.

tomg51 on August 2, 2011 at 10:55 AM

We’ll need to defoliate large swaths of the country to reach that standard. You get a greater than 60ppb ozone from the grass on your lawn at high temps.

Random Numbers (Brian Epps) on August 2, 2011 at 10:55 AM

That ought to go over well with small family farms…

mauioriginal on August 2, 2011 at 10:52 AM

Right now, family farm/ranch operators can drive a semi within a 100 mile radius with no CDL.
You cannot imagine how many farmers & ranchers with their family members run their operations without CDLs. I don’t have one. My sis in law doesn’t. There were times when she drove the semi or grain truck to the elevator with loads of sunflowers or wheat etc. to sell.
Teenagers all around here do this.
And an 8yo can drive a tractor. It isn’t hard. Some kids shouldn’t, some kids are able to. This would only help cement the monopoly even more of the Giant Ag corporations.
We small ranchers & farmers will simply be eliminated bcs o0f ever increasing suffocating regulation. As if we have not already been assaulted enough by the govt.

Badger40 on August 2, 2011 at 10:55 AM

The true believers at EPA are hell bent on singlehandedly destroying America. No standard will ever be strict enough for them.

cool breeze on August 2, 2011 at 10:14 AM

You don’t know how right you are. I have friends both inside EPA and who lobby EPA, and they tell me there is a large group of really extreme Leftists in there now. Even some of the ordinary liberals inside EPA are shocked at what this group is doing. They will manipulate the science, fudge the process, outright violate the statutes and the Administrative Procedures Act, whatever is necessary to achieve the regulatory result they want. They do not care about jobs or the economy at all. They really believe they are saving Planet Earth and nothing will stop them. They are especially nasty about coal and coal-fired power plants, all of which they would like to shut down no matter what the economic cost.

rockmom on August 2, 2011 at 10:57 AM

I am so tired of banging my head against the wall. My head hurts.

1IDVET on August 2, 2011 at 10:59 AM

rockmom on August 2, 2011 at 10:57 AM

IDK how true this is, but I knew some old dogders recently retired from the USFS & USGS.
I was told that there is a slow takeover from within these environmental agencies by tree hugger types.
And that there is a concentrated effort to NOT hire anyone with a farm or ranch or hunting background.

Badger40 on August 2, 2011 at 11:01 AM

Congress should remove the EPA’s authorization to issue regulations. Instead, they should hold hearings etc but ultimately send prospective rules to Congress for ratification by simple majorities of both houses (no filibuster allowed). Congress could not add to the list or significantly alter it without using the standard lawmaking route with the President’s signature. Regardless of the underlying science, the decision on whether to regulate or how much is a political decision that should be subject to debate and approval by those accountable to the People.

This would not be a constitutional issue because the executive branch rulemaking authority is delegated by Congress when an agency is authorized.

deadman on August 2, 2011 at 10:23 AM

This should be very high on the next To-Do List for the House. All regulatory powers come from the original statute, so Congress can change the rules whenever it wants. There are certain HUD rules that require prior approval from Congress, and others that at least require a 7-day Congressional review period before they can be published. These statutes have never been challenged as unconstitutional. Congress can simply amend the NEPA, Clean Air Act, Clean Water Act, RCRA, etc. to require Congressional approval of all new regulations.

rockmom on August 2, 2011 at 11:02 AM

Once again showing the EPA, by sucking off useful resources from our country, is more dangerous to our health than many of the things they regulate.

taznar on August 2, 2011 at 11:05 AM

IDK how true this is, but I knew some old dogders recently retired from the USFS & USGS.
I was told that there is a slow takeover from within these environmental agencies by tree hugger types.
And that there is a concentrated effort to NOT hire anyone with a farm or ranch or hunting background.

Badger40 on August 2, 2011 at 11:01 AM

One of my best friends is a former EPA Assistant Administrator who is now one of the top EPA lobbyists in Wasingtn. He has told me stories that would curl your hair, about scientific advisory panels being manipulated and their reports thrown in the trash when they do not agree with the agenda of the extremists, comment periods being ignored, etc..

My husband used to work in a civil-service job at EPA and has many friends there, who are more liberal than my lobbyist friend but are telling similar stories and are ready to quit because of the extremism of the current group there. Mind you, many of these people were hired under Carol Browner, and these people make her look like a conservative. At least she had respect for the law and the process; these people don’t.

rockmom on August 2, 2011 at 11:08 AM

rockmom on August 2, 2011 at 11:08 AM

I think we all need to hear the curl your hair stories. The few I’ve experienced myself with govt agencies are disturbing enough & when I tell people, they seem so surprised.
I think of stories like Wayne Hage & his wife & how the feds harassed the hell out of them. He won. But what did he really ‘win’?
We must do away with all of these agencies & let the states take care of their own stuff.

Badger40 on August 2, 2011 at 11:10 AM

Don’t worry, the GOP has your back.

Oil Can on August 2, 2011 at 10:07 AM

Want to bet on that?

BUSH STARTED THIS?
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-07-26/epa-says-it-won-t-issue-ozone-standards-by-july-29-deadline-1-.

Yes it did and they are rushing to put rules together. Does that sound promising?

Lets work hard to get a good solid RINO for POTUS next time y’all hear?

IlikedAUH2O on August 2, 2011 at 11:13 AM

OK I AM TICKED OFF BIG TIME–IS NORTH AMERICA THE ONLY TERRAIN ON THE EFFIN’ PLANET???

ProudPalinFan on August 2, 2011 at 11:14 AM

OH… MY… GOD…

So, 30 years ago the whole scare was “Ozone is disappearing. We are all gonna die!”. We were told that we were going to live under a hole for the rest of our life, yet nowadays there is no hole in the ozone even though there have been other countries (China, India) who have upped their manufacturing sector ever since, meaning more “pollution” under EPA’s standards. Now ozone is an issue … because there is too much?!!!

These people are not doing anything based on logic but rather on intention, and intentions are always good. Right? You can’t judge what they are doing as needed or not, right or wrong, good or bad. No, sir. The EPA’s intentions are “good” so who cares if it will destroy the economy even more?

ptcamn on August 2, 2011 at 11:19 AM

So that stock picture that keeps getting used, in a VERY JournoTard sort of way, is a picture of ozone?

MNHawk on August 2, 2011 at 11:21 AM

We need to set aside this childlike obsession with environmentalism entirely. We can’t afford it. Drop it all for a period of ten to twenty years. All of it.

What we do desperately need is a twenty-year period of unbridled 1890′s-style industrialism. You want an oil well there? Drill away. A coal mine over there? Have at it. A hydro-dam and reservoir? Pour that damn concrete.

After our economy recovers, in ten or twenty years, we’ll look once again at indulging liberals’ childish obsession with trees and slimy bugs and invasive minnows. Until then step aside and let’s get back to building up our country.

slickwillie2001 on August 2, 2011 at 11:24 AM

What will they do if the cities and states don’t make the latest threshold?The only sure way to get there is shut down all vehicles,industrial plants,factories,ships,coal plants,farms and anything else with a motor.

docflash on August 2, 2011 at 11:31 AM

Wonderful. Maybe the Dems shouldn’t focus on jobs now that the debt-ceiling crisis is over.

Dusty on August 2, 2011 at 11:32 AM

Now ozone is an issue … because there is too much?!!!

ptcamn on August 2, 2011 at 11:19 AM

Yo be fair,ozone in the lower atmosphere part we live in is a pollutant. In the upper parts, where the Ozone layer is, it is NOT a pollutant.
Ozone can be a harmful pollutant. But it isn’t a problem here. Maybe is really smoggy cities. But I notice LA really cleared things up. And I’m sure other cities like it have.
Let us look to China & point fingers 1st.

Badger40 on August 2, 2011 at 11:34 AM

Why are the costs so high? Because, as the EPA acknowledges, the technology needed to comply does not exist. Spending on “known controls” would amount to only $3.3–4.5 billion, while the remainder would go to “other, currently unknown technologies that would be needed to attain the proposed primary standards.”[5] Given that uncertainty, the costs may be higher, or it may prove more cost-effective to simply shutter industrial capacity.

So, the government is now making rules that no one knows how to comply with and may never be able to do so. The cost is also being disregarded in order to achieve a benefit that no one can determine.

That, folks, is real tyranny.

RadClown on August 2, 2011 at 11:35 AM

So, the government is now making rules that no one knows how to comply with and may never be able to do so. The cost is also being disregarded in order to achieve a benefit that no one can determine.

That, folks, is real tyranny.

RadClown on August 2, 2011 at 11:35 AM

CAFE standards fit this bill. Have you noticed all of the insane filters put in all vehicles these days? They do not work. They only inhibit the running of the vehicle.

Badger40 on August 2, 2011 at 11:39 AM

I am so tired of banging my head against the wall. My head hurts.

1IDVET on August 2, 2011 at 10:59 AM

Here’s a novel idea. How about we all meet down to the EPA and bang their heads against a wall for a while.

Oldnuke on August 2, 2011 at 11:50 AM

mizflame98 on August 2, 2011 at 10:07 AM

Shhh! No one is suppose to notice that.

Cindy Munford on August 2, 2011 at 11:50 AM

mizflame98 on August 2, 2011 at 10:07 AM
Shhh! No one is suppose to notice that.

Cindy Munford on August 2, 2011 at 11:50 AM

Let us not even mention that now we know the hole is natural, not man-made, & that CFC’s do nothing to ‘harm’ the ‘hole’, even though we still pretend in banning them. Reagan-sorry, but I disagree with you on this one.

Badger40 on August 2, 2011 at 12:00 PM

Let us also not mention how we now officially know DEET never harmed raptors’ eggs, & that the bald eagles etc. were never harmed by this now legal chemical.
I saw a program on PBS, Nature, that is STILL perpetuating this FALSEHOOD that DEET was responsible for killing bald eagles, & that it STILL is killing bald eagles.

Badger40 on August 2, 2011 at 12:02 PM

Electric motors (like in electric cars) produce ozone. What about those?

Ward Cleaver on August 2, 2011 at 12:03 PM

If you cannot pass legislation by democratically elected representatives of the people, regulation serves as politics by other means.

Cap and Trade could not pass Congress so we see it via EPA regulation. CAFE standards that eliminate the gasoline-powered car could not pass Congress so we see EPA mandate it via EPA regulation. A ban on Fracking for natural gas could not pass congress so EPA does the same thing by imposing an unachievable air emission standard. Courts order the lifting of restictions on off-shore drilling, so you just have a Federal permitorium that prevents off shore drilling anyway.

Sadly, in the regulatory agencies, public hostility to “The Agenda” is something to be worked around rather than accomodated.

KW64 on August 2, 2011 at 12:06 PM

NoCoach is on target. The EPA, if not all of the regulatory agencies, violate the separation of powers. They all need to be restructured (where not abolished), restoring the legislative power and accountability back to Congress. Of course the progressives knew what they were doing when the wrote the laws creating these agencies, ever since progressiveism started they’ve viewed the checks and balances in the Constitution as obstacles in their way.

LarryD on August 2, 2011 at 12:21 PM

You may now return to your regularly scheduled banging of your heads against the wall.

I was going to, but there’s a note on my favorite spot saying the wall has retained a lawyer and will sue for abuse.

karl9000 on August 2, 2011 at 12:23 PM

EPA’s assumed causal relationship between ozone and mortality has not been supported by EPA’s science advisors

Easy. Jail the science advisers.

petefrt on August 2, 2011 at 12:28 PM

It is things like this that make you want to climb a tower with your AK
jistincase on August 2, 2011 at 10:14 AM

A figurative tower, and a figurative AK, right?

Shambhala on August 2, 2011 at 12:55 PM

I saw a program on PBS, Nature, that is STILL perpetuating this FALSEHOOD that DEET was responsible for killing bald eagles, & that it STILL is killing bald eagles.

Badger40 on August 2, 2011 at 12:02 PM

You mean DDT, of course.

Shambhala on August 2, 2011 at 12:57 PM

Never ones to let a little think like that stop them, the EPA is now pushing to tighten the ozone standard to 60 ppb. (A proposal which has raised any number of eyebrows, since certain popular destinations fail to meet that standard today, including Yellowstone National Park.)

Obviously, we need to build a sarcophogous over it to contain the deadly ozone. Shovel ready.

BobMbx on August 2, 2011 at 12:59 PM

Next they will want to outlaw nitrogen in the air, which will only make our air thinner by 75%.

Kermit on August 2, 2011 at 1:36 PM

You mean DDT, of course.

Shambhala on August 2, 2011 at 12:57 PM

Thanx for the correction. THAT is what I meant.

Badger40 on August 2, 2011 at 2:14 PM

With Obama just twiddling his thumbs, as his cronies at the EPA go about their destruction. No more proof than this is needed to show, they are deliberately trying to destroy this country.

Who’s dumb enough to go about this kind of insipid crap, and think they’re helping, when they know they’re not? It’s all intentional, and all meant to destroy this country. And notice how it all just keeps coming? They’re doing all they can, before 2012.

capejasmine on August 2, 2011 at 2:54 PM

Who’s dumb enough to go about this kind of insipid crap, and think they’re helping, when they know they’re not?
capejasmine on August 2, 2011 at 2:54 PM

Don’t you watch Jay Leno when he asks stupid people on the street questions?
There are lots of people who really think this is necessary (idealistic young morons, brainwashed hippies & do-gooders, rich people turned busy-bodies). And then they are being used & controlled by the ones (former communists & lawyers out for a buck)

Badger40 on August 2, 2011 at 3:01 PM

I don’t know why anybody is surprised by this. President Obama is out to destroy the US economy. The EPA is simply helping him as much as possible.

dandydon on August 2, 2011 at 6:01 PM

Just more of the ‘do-gooders’ doing whats best for us. Even if they have to kill jobs. But hey! There’s always welfare, right?

As for the ridiculous mileage increases, guess the government is okay with increased highway deaths; seeing as the only practical method of getting better mileage is to decrease vehicle weight.

GarandFan on August 2, 2011 at 10:21 AM

Of course they are! A few hundred thousand sacrifices to Gaia! Which also reduces the population, you’ll notice, also wonderful for Gaia! Because the world should not have people on it anyway.

Any smallest possible potential (not even proven, just potential) benefit to the government is worth hundreds of thousands of senseless deaths to these people.

They figure it is the least we could do for Gaia.

Alana on August 2, 2011 at 9:31 PM