Poll: 52% oppose debt-ceiling deal

posted at 9:53 pm on August 2, 2011 by Allahpundit

The good news for Obama? His approval rating in handling the standoff was 46/53 versus 30/68 for congressional Republicans. (Congressional Democrats did slightly better at 35/63.) Imagine how that would have shaken out in terms of blame if we hit the ceiling and the market dropped a thousand points.

The bad news for Obama? It’s very, very bad indeed:

Note the third line. Not only did 65 percent approve of trillions in cuts (theoretical vaporous cuts, to be sure, but still), another 13 percent wanted more. So rattled by that data was lefty WaPo blogger Greg Sargent that he uncorked this post declaring that the GOP is winning the argument over the size of government. Which is true, although (a) 60 percent of those polled say they disapprove of the fact that the deal didn’t hike taxes on business and the rich and (b) given how meager the cuts are compared to the rate at which the debt will grow, you can argue that that 65 percent who approved of the final amount in the deal still don’t quite grasp the magnitude of the problem. And of course, none of the cuts in the first tranche touch entitlements, which is where everyone except the most devout deficit hawks starts to get squeamish. If the Super Committee miraculously reaches a deal to trim Medicare in November, re-poll this question then and let’s see how we do.

The other eye-grabbing number here:

Congress’s approval rating is almost always bad, but 84 percent disapproval is off-the-charts bad. Check the crosstabs and you’ll see that CNN included lots of historical data on this question; until today, since 1974, congressional disapproval never went higher than 78 percent, and rarely has it even reached the 70th percentile. The last time it hit 78, in fact, was during the financial crisis and TARP three years ago and we’re already well past that level of disgust this month. (See this National Journal poll too for similarly gruesome numbers.) It’s tempting to goof on Krugman et al. for overwrought prose about how their faith in democracy is shaken because we’re not going to ride Keynes into our national financial grave, but that’s really the upshot of this poll on both sides of the aisle — virtually no one thinks Congress works anymore, and that feeling will only deepen when, not if, they’re forced to take on Medicare and Social Security. Bad days ahead. I’ll leave you with this quote to mull from Politico’s piece on how freshmen Republicans came around to supporting the deal:

“I think increasingly we feel a part of a body,” says Rep. Nan Hayworth (R-N.Y.), a freshman ophthalmologist with no prior political experience who defeated a Democrat in a swing district last year. “You don’t know what you don’t know until you arrive here in the Capitol.”

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Uh-oh.
It’s the return of the tranche.
Now I know this deal is bad.

12thMonkey on August 2, 2011 at 9:57 PM

The good news for Obama?

Probably that CBS New’s “Chief” White House Correspondent Nora O’Donnell has already declared him re-elected.
http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/matthew-balan/2011/08/02/cbss-odonnell-suggests-obamas-reelection-done-deal

Marcus on August 2, 2011 at 9:58 PM

virtually no one thinks Congress works anymore, and that feeling will only deepen when, not if, they’re forced to take on Medicare and Social Security.

Unfortunately, the truth is that Congress is merely a reflection of us. If we hate what is going on in Congress, then look no further than our own lives and involvement in local/federal government. Now, that has certainly changed in 2 years, but Washington has trundled along unchecked for a looooooong time. It can be fixed, it has to be.

ted c on August 2, 2011 at 9:59 PM

They must all be terrorists.

malclave on August 2, 2011 at 9:59 PM

Was she on her knees when she made that proclamation?

GarandFan on August 2, 2011 at 9:59 PM

Yes – Malaise.

BKeyser on August 2, 2011 at 9:59 PM

Had they asked the question by reminding people that the 1 trillion in cuts was not a cut to current spending levels, but in fact a promise to raise spending, just not a super duper a lot, I wonder what those numbers would have looked like.

There are no cuts to spending and the republicans never asked for any.

keep the change on August 2, 2011 at 10:01 PM

…you mean The Boehner/McConnel Debt Ceiling Capitulation Act of 2011? The historic compromise that ranks second to the Kansas-Nebraska Act of 1854? Especially if Sarah Palin gets elected president in 2016?

Skandia Recluse on August 2, 2011 at 10:03 PM

It is nothing to brag about but it beats the alternative. Probably 96% of the 52% understood the stakes, and the other 4% said better to kill America than compromise or something.

Southernblogger on August 2, 2011 at 10:05 PM

Eh, the market has already dropped over a 1,000 points in the past week and will drop off the cliff in coming days. The debt “deal” is the major reason.

Besides, I will note that congressional disapproval is due in part by tea party dismay over this “deal”. I am a Tea Party activist and am utterly disgusted with Boehner og McConnell.

Norwegian on August 2, 2011 at 10:05 PM

You mean throwing bad money after good money after stupid money after crazy stupid money is not a good idea ?

DeweyWins on August 2, 2011 at 10:05 PM

November 6, 2012………Suarons’ tower falls!!!

Tea Party Hobbits Cheer!!!

PappyD61 on August 2, 2011 at 10:06 PM

I should have said 96% did not understand the stakes.

Southernblogger on August 2, 2011 at 10:06 PM

You mean throwing bad money after good money after stupid money after crazy stupid money is not a good idea ?

DeweyWins on August 2, 2011 at 10:05 PM

the hell you say…./

ted c on August 2, 2011 at 10:06 PM

chin up fellas.

take a trip in the wayback machine.

ted c on August 2, 2011 at 10:09 PM

I was afraid of this…the majority of the morons polled here (the nation at large, who’s incoherent blathering you hear every day at the office) really don’t have any idea what the hell is going on…they just heard that their cable TV service might be disrupted if congress doesn’t do something…and Obama is a still a very cool black dude. Anybody who knows what is going on and cares about this country should give up now.

AUINSC on August 2, 2011 at 10:09 PM

watch this…..and imagine the shrieking is the Left Wing Nuts Media on election night!!

As Obama/Sauron falls in defeat!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yF8YJ5yv1jc&feature=youtube_gdata_player

PappyD61 on August 2, 2011 at 10:12 PM

We still have the problem of the public supporting cuts in theory but when asked about specific items we get silliness. E.g., cut foreign aid but not Medicare.

Those Congressional numbers, I think, can be tossed aside for now. Let’s see how they are after this cools down a bit.

Might go down to 80%.

Ahem.

SteveMG on August 2, 2011 at 10:13 PM

So we have basically have 12 people running the country now? Absurd.

SouthernGent on August 2, 2011 at 10:14 PM

And Mitch McConnell and Harry Reid get to choose the members of the committee Peachy

ldbgcoleman on August 2, 2011 at 10:15 PM

I know I think the Senate is a joke and I’m sure most people who don’t follow politics like I do feel the same way.

When you can’t even pass a budget – how do you take them seriously?

gophergirl on August 2, 2011 at 10:16 PM

26% from the Tea
26% from the Progressive

Bipartisanship hate.

tjexcite on August 2, 2011 at 10:17 PM

Maybe Nan et al should be busy telling us what maybe we don’t know, but certainly suspect, a.k.a. the God’s honest truth about our deep doodoo.

exdeadhead on August 2, 2011 at 10:19 PM

Seen Bammy Winehouse? Political Cartoons

slickwillie2001 on August 2, 2011 at 10:21 PM

take a trip in the wayback machine.

ted c on August 2, 2011 at 10:09 PM

I love how the Democrats are represented in red, as it should be.

FloatingRock on August 2, 2011 at 10:21 PM

How about that. Yeah, buddy. Those Tea Party Terrorists sure are in the minority, aren’t they?////

kingsjester on August 2, 2011 at 10:26 PM

Seen Bammy Winehouse? Political Cartoons

slickwillie2001 on August 2, 2011 at 10:21 PM

heheheh! love the beehive hairdo….Lolz that’s masterful by Ramirez!

ted c on August 2, 2011 at 10:27 PM

The best part about the debt ceiling agreement is that I don’t have to endure the pain of reading articles written by reporters that obviously didn’t understand the difference between additional debt and default.

blink on August 2, 2011 at 10:00 PM

The flip side of that is that almost all those reporters, really do not know or care to know the difference and people actually listen to them! I work on a floor with a lot of trading and it is scary how many people have no idea what the difference is.

bluemarlin on August 2, 2011 at 10:39 PM

The GOP will betray you

True_King on August 2, 2011 at 10:39 PM

The GOP will betray you

True_King on August 2, 2011 at 10:39 PM

You mean

AGAIN!

bluemarlin on August 2, 2011 at 10:44 PM

The GOP has betrayed you.

Bishop on August 2, 2011 at 10:45 PM

Unhappy with the deal, you 52%ers? Vote out PHBO… He the reason the deal didn’t go far enough…

Khun Joe on August 2, 2011 at 10:47 PM

AP only the most rank of amateurs would be intrigued by any poll less then 9 hours from the ink drying on the paper.

Jdripper on August 2, 2011 at 11:05 PM

They call it “cuts” but by normal standards these are not CUTS at all!

gullxn on August 2, 2011 at 11:05 PM

The American people got

rolled, like a drunk on skid row!

We have a “spending” problem not a revenue problem, and this deal is another ton of dirt from the bottom of the hole we are digging for ourselves. No deal would have been better……

jtpcamp on August 2, 2011 at 11:15 PM

Imagine how that would have shaken out in terms of blame if we hit the ceiling and the market dropped a thousand points.

The jury (Wall Street) is still out on that one.

Even with an all-Republican government I’d still be hesitant to invest.

Dr. ZhivBlago on August 2, 2011 at 11:16 PM

84 disapproval I can understand.
Obama’s still above 40% approval, I cannot.

AshleyTKing on August 3, 2011 at 12:34 AM

Have a wonderful Ramadan Mr. Hussein.

Lon Chaney on August 3, 2011 at 12:52 AM

“I think increasingly we feel a part of a body,” says Rep. Nan Hayworth (R-N.Y.), a freshman ophthalmologist with no prior political experience who defeated a Democrat in a swing district last year. “You don’t know what you don’t know until you arrive here in the Capitol.”

THAT herd will be culled.

Count on it.

kakypat on August 3, 2011 at 2:51 AM

ted c on August 2, 2011 at 10:09 PM

Thank you so much! It’s deja vu all over again. We are reliving the Carter years. Lordy…I am sorry that we are having to go through that again. However, those young ‘uns who voted for him need to see precisely what they voted for.

They may have more voter fraud and union money behind them, but the silent majority is alive and well!

Hopefully, Keynesian economics is toast after this election.

kakypat on August 3, 2011 at 3:00 AM

“I think increasingly we feel a part of a body,” says Rep. Nan Hayworth (R-N.Y.), a freshman ophthalmologist with no prior political experience who defeated a Democrat in a swing district last year. “You don’t know what you don’t know until you arrive here in the Capitol.”
THAT herd will be culled.

Count on it.

kakypat on August 3, 2011 at 2:51 AM

Nan is my Representative. She is as pragmatically conservative as you can get in this District. She beat a lefty former rock star. You would not want him back would you?

KW64 on August 3, 2011 at 6:03 AM

To paraphrase George Wallace when commenting on Dims vrs. Repubs “There’s not a billion dollar’s worth of difference between them” (he said dime’s worth of difference) We desperately need term limits and a balanced budget amendment or these fools are going to steal the complete net worth of the U.S. Their totalitarian thinking is suffocating the American economy. Let’s try to find candidates who can do eighth grade math and who deal in reality instead of a Communist fantasy world.

Marco on August 3, 2011 at 6:47 AM

I’m curious to see, in light of this debt ceiling FUBAR, what sort of plastic phony-as-a-three-dollar-bill “hero’s welcome” the White House will concoct for Obama when he goes to Chicago later today to blow out the candles on his birthday cake and try to collect all those juicy campaign contributions.

pilamaye on August 3, 2011 at 7:23 AM

Obama wants America bankrupt. And his pappy knows why.

It’s time we dump the old farts and get some new leadership with something better than tax and spend for a brain.

tarpon on August 3, 2011 at 7:33 AM

If you want to win the debate about the size of government, focus on the story of the eleven year old girl who saved a baby woodpecker, and whose mother then incurred a $535 fine and the possibility of a year in jail for it, because the woodpecker is a protected species. It’s the epitome of the mindless bureaucratic machine laying waste to common sense, independence, and good citizenship. That’s the kind of story that grabs the gut, and lends itself to a powerful inductive logic, while in this debt business the socialists have too many refuges in which to hide.

paul1149 on August 3, 2011 at 8:06 AM

Didn’t we have stats on the approval/disapproval to raise the debt ceiling before the chaos ensued? And was there not a majority who opposed it?

They don’t care. It’s that simple. They do not care about you and me.

And those MSNBC-ers who are proclaiming the Sun King will be re-elected are trying SO hard. Just stop. It’s not happening.

RDE2010 on August 3, 2011 at 9:29 AM

“I think increasingly we feel a part of a body,” says Rep. Nan Hayworth (R-N.Y.), a freshman ophthalmologist with no prior political experience who defeated a Democrat in a swing district last year.

Hayworth must feel like an eye being taken for a ride by @$$holes, and she’s not enjoying the view.

Steve Z on August 3, 2011 at 10:36 AM

It’s not surprising, IMO, that Obama comes off better relatively than Congress in this poll. It’s pretty awful watching those suasages being made. It’s even worse with nausea inducing ‘leaders’ going through their Machiavellian machinations. Throw in their personal physical & personality traits and the rageometer spikes near the top. There’s the whiny, shrill voiced, ultra-dweeb Harry Reid; the alien looking, monkey wrench throwing Mitch McConnell; and the ever inept, inebriated appearing John Boehner doing his best impression of Foster Brooks, but using the real McCoy it seems. President Irrelevant, the catalyst for this fiasco, was mainly absent from view during the final, most repellant stages of the melodrama. The public will recall that it was Obama that wanted still more trillions and started it all once the alka seltzer kicks in.

JimP on August 3, 2011 at 11:07 AM

Subject: DOES THIS MAKE IT CLEARER ?
Federal Budget 101:

The U.S. Congress sets a federal budget every year in the trillions of dollars.
Few people know how much money that is so we created a breakdown of federal spending in simple terms. Let’s put the 2011 federal budget into perspective:

* US income: $2,170,000,000,000
* Federal budget: $3,820,000,000,000
* New debt: $1,650,000,000,000
* National debt: $14,271,000,000,000
* Recent budget cut: $38,500,000,000 (about 1 percent of the budget)

It helps to think about these numbers in terms that we can relate to, so let’s remove eight zeros from these numbers and pretend this is the household budget for the fictitious Jones family:

* Total annual income for the Jones family: $21,700
* Amount of money the Jones family spent: $38,200
* Amount of new debt added to the credit card: $16,500
* Outstanding balance on the credit card: $142,710
* Amount cut from the budget: $385

So in effect last month Congress, or in this example the Jones family, sat down at the kitchen table and agreed to cut $385 from its annual budget. What family would cut $385 of spending in order to solve $16,500 in deficit spending? It is a start, although hardly a solution.

Now after years of this, the Jones family has $142,710 of debt on its credit card (which is the equivalent of the national debt).

You would think the Jones family would recognize and address this situation, but it does not. Neither does Congress.

The root of the debt problem is that the voters typically do not send people to Congress to save money. They are sent there to bring home the bacon to their own home state.

To effect budget change, we need to change the job description and give Congress new marching orders.

It is awfully hard (but not impossible) to reverse course and tell the government to stop borrowing money from our children and spending it now. In effect, what we have is a reverse mortgage on the country. The problem is that the voters have become addicted to the money. Moreover, the American voters are still in the denial stage, and do not want to face the possibility of going into rehab…

Marco on August 3, 2011 at 7:32 PM