Brian1972 on August 4, 2011 at 12:08 PM

I can’t remember to add the “post to” tag to save my life.

I tried to explain to you what she meant, because I understood it clearly

Yes, that was thoughtful, the most substantive reply, and I responded to it and what others said in detail here. I pointed out how her saying she won’t raise the debt ceiling contradicts her support of CC&B. So she apparently will raise the debt ceiling under some circumstances. After two reviews of the interview, it’s not clear to me what a “step in the right direction” means, and I have good ear for parsing words.

It’s clear that she hates this bill. Half the the republicans who voted for it hate it and speak just as forcefully against the horrors that it contains.

…yet you insist she has joined the support for the deal, when she has not.

I insist on nothing but the need for confirmation. I posted that on the QOTD thread to you. I withdrew my claim that she supports the debt deal early yesterday and said that I’d withhold judgment until it’s clarified. I listed your interpretation as one of the 3 possibilities. Did you mis that? I don’t expect supporters to agree, but I do expect them to either tolerate my disbelief or disprove it before acting like children. You’re not one of them, but I am surprised at your replies.

elfman on August 4, 2011 at 10:58 AM

I tried to explain to you what she meant, because I understood it clearly, yet you insist she has joined the support for the deal, when she has not.

It is absolutely clear she has not. Why you can’t, or won’t, accept that is something I cannot help you with, apparently.

elfman on August 4, 2011 at 10:58 AM

There are none so blind as those that will not see.

I’ll give just as much effort to your opinions.

Brian1972 on August 3, 2011 at 10:12 PM

I pointed you here on another thread, telling you that I watched the video twice, but you take that out of context and present it as if I’m uninformed. No one could be more diligent, thoughtful, civil and sincere than I’ve been here while two others try to flame me (as if irrational insults have any effect), and now you respond with this little snip.

There’s a little enclave of craziness here. I heard the term Palinistas, never investigated, but didn’t have to. Here they are.

I’m guessing that Palin has been persecuted for so long and her supporters have invested so much in helping her survive, fighting back where she couldn’t, that the possibility that she meant “moving in the right direction” on the budget deal can’t be considered. Some who’ve fought PDS for so long now act in its mirror image. Benefit of the doubt is reasonable. But reflexive anger and insults rather than rationally examining the evidence is destructive to both themselves and to their goals. It’s sad to see.

I won’t be reading your posts.

elfman on August 3, 2011 at 2:14 PM

Many have tried and failed, PDSer. Good luck with that.

I skimmed the transcript.

elfman on August 3, 2011 at 3:44 PM

I’ll give just as much effort to your opinions.

Wow. Sarah’s comments to Hannity Tues night make crystal clear she thinks the “debt deal” is crap, she thinks Romney’s late and weak rejection of it is crap,….

james23 on August 3, 2011 at 2:06 PM

I skimmed the transcript. She criticized what she didn’t like about it, but this is as close as she came to saying that she didn’t support it:

“Yeah. Look, thank God for those folks who stood up for their principles. And granted, you know, I’m not going to consider this debt deal that was signed into law today.”

She didn’t explain what “considered” means. It could mean that she doesn’t want to think about it or that it’s too flawed to consider supporting.

My 6 & 8 year old boys make more emotionally balanced and substantive arguments from what you’ve posted to me. Don’t post to me unless you can support your positions and stop the name calling.

elfman on August 3, 2011 at 12:00 PM
Well, since I am sick of seeing your stupid posts, how’s
this for name calling….dumbass!

gryphon202 on August 3, 2011 at 1:05 PM

CC&B, as I understand it, balances spending in 6 or so years at limits that at least don’t cripple the economy. Palin’s bill… ha, just kidding… Boehner/Reid’s bill cuts noting by spending more each year, indirectly forces tax increases, spends well over 1 trillion $ more each year into infinity, covers Obama through the election, makes republicans complicit in it – thereby dividing many conservatives and principled independents from the republican party and doesn’t change the focus of the debate.

It’s been clarified. If watching that video wasn’t good enough for you. I’ll put you on my list of PDSers.

gryphon202 on August 3, 2011 at 1:05 PM

I just explained why it hasn’t been clarified from all the information on this page. My arguments are well reasoned and supported, but because we don’t agree, you fly into little emotional tirades and change the subject. I don’t care what list you put me on. I won’t be reading your posts.

She’ll be joining the fight shortly. Stay tuned.

The fact that Palin said that she didn’t support raising the debt ceiling means little because she was a strong supporter of CC&B which raises the debt ceiling.

I supported CC&B. Does that make me morally suspect? Go on. I dare you.

People are going to read what they want into her statements. I’ll withhold judgment on Palin’s potential moral compromise until that’s clarified.

elfman on August 3, 2011 at 1:00 PM

It’s been clarified. If watching that video wasn’t good enough for you. I’ll put you on my list of PDSers.

The fact that Palin said that she didn’t support raising the debt ceiling means little because she was a strong supporter of CC&B which raises the debt ceiling.

People are going to read what they want into her statements. I’ll withhold judgment on Palin’s potential moral compromise until that’s clarified.

The “step in the right direction” was that we are not talking about debt reduction and how to cut spending instead of tax increases. To my knowledge, Sarah Palin has never supported debt ceiling increases. So one of us is wrong.

gryphon202 on August 3, 2011 at 12:19 PM

Blech. Preview FTW.

She also said the bill that did raise the debt ceiling, “was a step in the right direction”. How do you reconcile those two statements?

elfman on August 3, 2011 at 12:08 PM

The “step in the right direction” was that we are not talking about debt reduction and how to cut spending instead of tax increases. To my knowledge, Sarah Palin has never supported debt ceiling increases. So one of us is wrong.

If you can help me with my previous post to understand something that any reasonable person would misunderstand, please, go ahead.

elfman on August 3, 2011 at 12:13 PM

Considering that your misunderstanding stems from willful obtuseness and your apparently fervent desire to stick with a pre-ordained narrative, you’re beyond my help. Electroshock therapy might help.

She also said the bill that did raise the debt ceiling, “was a step in the right direction”. How do you reconcile those two statements?

elfman on August 3, 2011 at 12:08 PM

She has been saying for months now, that we should not raise the debt ceiling at all, if she were in Congress she would vote against it, that the executive branch can prioritize what gets paid and what doesn’t, she was strongly in support of Cut Cap Balance.

She also said, way back in that Fox News Sunday interview that she realized the debt ceiling would in fact be raised because there was sufficient political will on both sides of the aisle in DC to do it, even though she did not think it had to be done.

The other part of this is she is trying to encourage the Tea Party Americans to recognize that compared to a few short years ago, they have accomplished a major shift in the focus of the debate in DC already, which is actually the truth. Take heart in your progress to date, while recognizing there is much more work to be done and the fight has just started it is not over by any means.

There is no contradiction in those comments.

She has never said the actual bill, or the deal itself, is the “victory”.

The victory is a small one, that the debate has changed from an automatic increase in debt without much comment, to a real fight that cost Obama.

When the numbers in the House and Senate are better, the results will be better. A conservative President to sign into law what that new Congress could pass is crucial to making real significant progress. First you must win the American People.

She also said the bill that did raise the debt ceiling, “was a step in the right direction”. How do you reconcile those two statements?

elfman on August 3, 2011 at 12:08 PM

Nice try on playing with words and trying to link them together, but that’s not what she said. The move in the right direction refered to the point that for the first time the Country will now be focusing on debt reduction.

She also said the bill that did raise the debt ceiling, “was a step in the right direction”. How do you reconcile those two statements?

elfman on August 3, 2011 at 12:08 PM

C’mon, you’re supposed to like “little girls“…Palin said that it was a step in the right direction because raising taxes wasn’t being talked about rather cutting spending was…She the went on to list some problems with the bill. She was already on record, a week ago, as being against a deal to raise the debt limit…

gryphon202 on August 3, 2011 at 12:02 PM

Okay, you’re emotionally imbalanced. I understand. I’d like to know how much.

If you can help me with my previous post to understand something that any reasonable person would misunderstand, please, go ahead.

…you missed the part where she said she thought it was a mistake to raise the debt ceiling.”

gryphon202 on August 3, 2011 at 12:00 PM

She also said the bill that did raise the debt ceiling, “was a step in the right direction”. How do you reconcile those two statements?

My 6 & 8 year old boys make more emotionally balanced and substantive arguments from what you’ve posted to me. Don’t post to me unless you can support your positions and stop the name calling.

elfman on August 3, 2011 at 12:00 PM

Well just because you’re not name calling doesn’t mean that your arguments are “substantive” or “emotionally balanced,” Elfy. There are certainly days when I’d get eaten alive by the sharks at the Oxford Club, and this may even be one of those days, but we’re not at the Oxford Club. You are free to ignore me — though I doubt you will.

I’m going from the presumption that Palin supports this bill raising the debt ceiling (and amnesty). I don’t know the moral characters of all politicians, but the ones who didn’t support compromising way what I think was our last best chance to avoid a more severe melt down that cripples my kids’ future are contenders.

elfman on August 3, 2011 at 11:53 AM

You’re starting with facts not in evidence. She never supported the bill. When you stopped watching the video at the “…victory for the tea party…” blurb, you missed the part where she said she thought it was a mistake to raise the debt ceiling. And she didn’t qualify that. She congratulated the Tea Party for changing the direction and tone of the debate and noted that “…we still have a lot more work to do.”

Tina Korbe, if you’re reading this, you did Sarah Palin NO FAVORS with your shoddy headline. I’m not normally one to complain about the quality of blog posts around here, but this one was atrocious on a few levels.

gryphon202 on August 3, 2011 at 11:47 AM

My 6 & 8 year old boys make more emotionally balanced and substantive arguments from what you’ve posted to me. Don’t post to me unless you can support your positions and stop the name calling.