Palin: House passage of debt deal is a victory for the Tea Party

posted at 12:00 pm on August 2, 2011 by Tina Korbe

It seems to be the new talking point: The deal is a victory for conservatives not because of what it does (which is, not much!), but because it supposedly represents a change in the direction of the debate. Once, Washington discussed what to grow. Now, Washington discusses what to cut. Even former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin has echoed the theme — but with qualifications. The Wall Street Journal Washington Wire reports:

Former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin said Monday’s House vote to lift the debt ceiling was a victory for the tea party, proving that conservative activists had shifted the conversation in Washington.

“We shall take this victory and make sure our politicians in office today are learning from this victory,” Ms. Palin said Monday night on Fox News, where she is a paid contributor. “It’s not a 100% pure genuine victory. We just handed the most liberal president, I believe, in U.S. history a $2.4 billion debt increase.” …

Ms. Palin didn’t fully embrace the deal, saying she had plenty of problems with the compromise  between the White House and congressional leaders, including Republican House Speaker John Boehner. In the past, the former governor said she was not convinced America would face a default if lawmakers did not raise the debt ceiling by Aug. 2.

Meanwhile, Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa), one of the founders of the Tea Party Caucus in Congress (along with GOP presidential candidate Rep. Michele Bachmann), says the deal can’t possibly be touted as a win.

“The Tea Party is not calling this a victory,” Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa) said today on Fox News. “I’m certainly not.”

It’s perplexing, really — the way so many conservatives changed their minds at the last minute. About a week ago, Palin called for any supposedly small-government freshman who voted for a debt ceiling increase to face a “contested” primary. Now, she’s silent on the subject of the 59 House freshmen who voted for the deal. And what about the 59 freshmen who voted that way in the first place? What accounts for their support? What accounts for Boehner’s comment that he got “98 percent” of what he wanted, when he clearly didn’t?

The effort to spin this compromise as a conservative victory is impressive — and it makes sense. No one wants to declare themselves diminished politically. And this deal enables leadership to tout its ability to garner votes, to prevent default, etc., etc. etc. But it’s still just a political victory. It’s not a solution. And to rest too much on the laurels of maybe-no-tax-hikes and at-least-it’s-not-a-clean-debt-ceiling-increase obscures the distance the country still has to go. Better to stay focused on the facts: The nation is still spending money it doesn’t have (we’re borrowing about $2 million every minute of every day!). The government is still growing (keep in mind the cuts are to increases in spending over the next 10 years).

Here’s the full video of the Palin interview:



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Yeah!! Who cares if the Dems control the Senate and the White House!?

They didn’t FORCE THE LIBERALS to stop being LIBERAL. Those GOP bastards in the House didn’t overcome their constitutional limits on their power and produce the miracle I DEMAND!

SCREW THEM!! I’m staying home or voting 3rd party next year. Let Obama be reelected. THAT’LL SHOW ‘EM!!

Who’s with me?!

KeepOhioRed on August 2, 2011 at 1:49 PM

WE HAVE TO KEEP ELECTING THE GOP SO THEY CAN KEEP CAVING!!!

PLAY THE LONG GAME!!!!

THEY’LL EVENTUALLY START CUTTING SPENDING IN 2068 AND WE’LL HAVE THE DEMS RIGHT WHERE WE WANT THEM!!!!

KEEP CAVING, REPUBLICANS!!!

fossten on August 2, 2011 at 1:59 PM

Considering that’s not really what happened, I feel pretty good.

gryphon202 on August 2, 2011 at 1:58 PM

If only Allen West and others got the benefit of the doubt that easily.

Good Lt on August 2, 2011 at 1:59 PM

Just admit…

fossten on August 2, 2011 at 12:30 PM

Classic, but poor, debate tactic.

MadisonConservative on August 2, 2011 at 2:00 PM

Anyone and everyone should expect to be primaried. The days of professional politicians should be over, especially when they aren’t very professional.

Cindy Munford on August 2, 2011 at 2:00 PM

Hold the line, vote on principle, and call that a victory.

joshlbetts on August 2, 2011 at 1:51 PM

In this day and age, we need to pick the time where we can actually win.

tinkerthinker on August 2, 2011 at 2:00 PM

Anyone and everyone should expect to be primaried. The days of professional politicians should be over, especially when they aren’t very professional.

Cindy Munford on August 2, 2011 at 2:00 PM

+1000

unseen on August 2, 2011 at 2:00 PM

WE HAVE TO KEEP ELECTING THE GOP SO THEY CAN KEEP CAVING!!!

PLAY THE LONG GAME!!!!

THEY’LL EVENTUALLY START CUTTING SPENDING IN 2068 AND WE’LL HAVE THE DEMS RIGHT WHERE WE WANT THEM!!!!

KEEP CAVING, REPUBLICANS!!!

fossten on August 2, 2011 at 1:59 PM

Screw this place.

fossten on August 1, 2011 at 7:50 PM

Why don’t you go do something useful like campaign for a third-party candidate of your choice?

Report back to us on how it’s going.

Good Lt on August 2, 2011 at 2:01 PM

Anyone and everyone should expect to be primaried. The days of professional politicians should be over, especially when they aren’t very professional.

Cindy Munford on August 2, 2011 at 2:00 PM

From your lips to God’s ears.

Kataklysmic on August 2, 2011 at 2:01 PM

maybe but after the historic victory the leadership should have given someone that came from the tea party a seat at the table.

unseen on August 2, 2011 at 1:51 PM

The way I saw it is that Bachmann picked that brass ring and went for it, very publicly, claiming the Tea Party mantle. When she lost, she tried to make it out like the leadership was dissing the Tea Party as a whole, rather than going with the better-qualified candidate. That fostered unnecessary hostility which boomeranged on the Tea Party freshmen.

You gotta be able to build coalitions to lead. Leapfrogging and bombthrowing will in most cases hurt the cause more than it helps.

Look to Palin for the counterexample – as a new governor, she immediately sought out Democrats in the legislature that she thought would be allies. This gave her a much better platform of support for her eventual reforms than if she’d taken a strictly partisan route.

Missy on August 2, 2011 at 2:02 PM

Here we go with the third-party ridicule again.

I won’t go out of my way to vote for a Republican ever again. If there’s a particularly good candidate who’s Republican, I’ll vote for him or her. I don’t expect to see many of those.

And before I’m accused of re-electing Bambi, let me just say, “I don’t care.”

Bugler on August 2, 2011 at 2:02 PM

Does anyone remember Boehner’s promise to cut $100 Billion and return to 2008 spending levels? Anyone?

There are apologists for the political elite on this board who are probably staffers in DC, or they’re receiving their Social Security check while selling out their grandkids for more FedGov. Enjoy that cheese gramps.

j_galt on August 2, 2011 at 2:04 PM

Missy on August 2, 2011 at 2:02 PM

all good points.

unseen on August 2, 2011 at 2:04 PM

This was a very costly hollow victory. We ended up getting more of the same, tax and spending handed to the dems and Zero. They just got their second wind courtesy of the rinos in the party.

Kissmygrits on August 2, 2011 at 2:05 PM

I want to know how agreeing to the largest single debt increase in the history of the world constitutes “changing the conversation”.

tommyboy on August 2, 2011 at 2:05 PM

nd before I’m accused of re-electing Bambi, let me just say, “I don’t care.”

Bugler on August 2, 2011 at 2:02 PM

And that’s sad.

derft on August 2, 2011 at 2:06 PM

Bugler on August 2, 2011 at 2:02 PM

Anti reality Teahobborrist. How dare you not support The Party. Get your ass in line.

Bishop on August 2, 2011 at 2:06 PM

To those not looking for a hill to die on or a sword to fall on, this is a victory — a small victory, but a very none-the-less…

1. It has killed the Left’s whole Keynesian strategy of “spending your way out of a recession” — the public has voted with their opinions, and Obama is clearly no FDR. “Shovel-ready” was a failure, not the 21st century “CCC Corps”, etc.

2. It has made Obama himself speak to public in terms of controlling spending — something his far-left base will see as anathema and betrayal, perhaps even more strongly than those ranting here about Boehner sell-outs…

3. Spending and debt is now the foundation of the dialogue for the 2012 elections. Now take that and add Rubio’s “What we need are more taxpayers” plus Sarah’s unleashing our natural resources (Drill, Baby Drill, part Deux), and the entire dialogue has shifted…

No, you didn’t burn down the house to save it, but America now knows that the foundation is very, very shaky, and MAJOR work is needed…

OnlyOrange on August 2, 2011 at 2:07 PM

Bugler on August 2, 2011 at 2:02 PM

While I won’t go so are as to not support the nominee, I understand your feelings. If I didn’t see some real talent in the wings I would probably be with you.

Cindy Munford on August 2, 2011 at 2:09 PM

And what do you think of that RINO Palin selling out to show support to Boehner’s evil compromised bill guaranteeing eternal destruction for America?

Good Lt on August 2, 2011 at 1:52 PM

Go look at my statement from the First page, Good Pvt.

WRONG SARAH.

portlandon on August 2, 2011 at 12:22 PM

Kind of takes all the air out of your Balloon animal on a stick, doesn’t it?

portlandon on August 2, 2011 at 2:09 PM

It was a rhetotical win for the TP to shift the debate, but it was Boehner, Cantor & McConnell that shat on the initial strong positions and once agan saved us pennies on the dollar. The GOP establishment must be routed.

Insanity is Boehner telling us he will hold fast and bring us change and everytime bring us a turd burger, and we give him a chance to really do it with the next biggie. Well, he’s 0 for 3 and FY12 budget is next month. Reid can hardly wait.

AH_C on August 2, 2011 at 2:09 PM

And before I’m accused of re-electing Bambi, let me just say, “I don’t care.”

Bugler on August 2, 2011 at 2:02 PM

Baracky thanks you for your support.

KeepOhioRed on August 2, 2011 at 2:10 PM

maybe but after the historic victory the leadership should have given someone that came from the tea party a seat at the table.

unseen on August 2, 2011 at 1:51 PM

Read the headlines thread. There seems to be quite a few Tea Party supporters of this deal who DO feel that they were given a seat at the table.

Vyce on August 2, 2011 at 2:10 PM

Baracky thanks you for your support.

KeepOhioRed on August 2, 2011 at 2:10 PM

Exactly — I voted for Perot… Doh!

OnlyOrange on August 2, 2011 at 2:11 PM

I want to know how agreeing to the largest single debt increase in the history of the world constitutes “changing the conversation”.

tommyboy on August 2, 2011 at 2:05 PM

The previous conversation was “how much are we going to increase taxes in order to avoid collapse”? Now it is “how much are we going to reduce spending in order to avoid collapse?”

That isn’t the same thing as actually reducing spending, of course, and nobody is pretending it is.

Obama initiated a huge game of chicken when he turned down the first deal. He lost. He is now heading into the 2012 campaign on a wobbly defense and as a result of this very public fight, the whole country is watching.

Missy on August 2, 2011 at 2:13 PM

I want to know how agreeing to the largest single debt increase in the history of the world constitutes “changing the conversation”.

tommyboy on August 2, 2011 at 2:05 PM

Because now the Presidents is using different words, dontcha see? And words are more important than actions, man! Read my lips …

j_galt on August 2, 2011 at 2:13 PM

And speaking of said talent, you anti-Palin folks should be down on your knees thanking her for taking the attention that would be focused on destroying them.

Cindy Munford on August 2, 2011 at 2:14 PM

Missy on August 2, 2011 at 2:13 PM

Those are just more words, and the only words that matter have to come from those who agree with them — Gandalf betrayed them…

/sarc

I agree completely…

OnlyOrange on August 2, 2011 at 2:17 PM

Did you watch the video?

idesign on August 2, 2011 at 1:56 PM

Sure did. She called it a victory. then she qualified it. Then she called it a victory again. “Victory” = establishment talking point divorced from reality–very unlike her.

james23 on August 2, 2011 at 2:18 PM

I also think that Palin stops the “we kicked Republican ass” talk from the Democrats by not giving it to them by stating the Republicans got rolled even as obvious as it is. The Dems would love to gloat but they can’t say it outright without giving themselves away completely (Reid didn’t waste time talking about tax increases though). The base would get so demoralized it would disengage and go Galt and we can’t have that right before the election.

CCRWM on August 2, 2011 at 2:20 PM

Read the Politico article in the Headlines, “Why Republican freshman signed on the the deal” and weep. Rep. Nan Hayworth, R-NY, “I think increasingly we feel a part of a body”. They have been brainwashed since they got there by the RINO’s. We don’t have a chance since obviously voting in this type of folks (Tea Party)doesn’t mean a thing. Two-thirds of them voted for this crap. I haven’t read the comments so don’t know if someone has already pointed this out.

silvernana on August 2, 2011 at 2:21 PM

Palin had the toughest talk of the major players before the deal was passed. I’m curious to see what she says on Hannity tonight. If I had to guess, I would say she is much more disappointed than she is letting on and is softening her rhetoric to quell some of the third party talk that is happening in among the grassrots. This iteration of the battle is over with. It’s time to look forward to 2012.

Kataklysmic on August 2, 2011 at 2:22 PM

I can’t believe it!!Palin supporters are free thinking people who aren’t a CULT.

portlandon on August 2, 2011 at 1:12 PM

portlandon, your first comment, and this, made you even more respected, though it’s hard to go over 100%.

Schadenfreude on August 2, 2011 at 2:23 PM

I’m wondering how many commenters in this thread actually listened to the interview and how many are commenting on Tina’s (poor) analysis, or even just the headline itself.

miConsevative on August 2, 2011 at 2:23 PM

The US of A officially becoming Greece isn’t a victory. People need to stop putting lipstick on this pig.

I thought the 2010 Election was about changing the conversation and 2011 was supposed to be about executing it.

RedRobin145 on August 2, 2011 at 2:23 PM

The DOW and the metals are the only sane ones in this travesty.

Schadenfreude on August 2, 2011 at 2:24 PM

Vyce on August 2, 2011 at 2:10 PM

yeah I read that this morning. It says no such think. He says that the leadership was nice to them, the fell like they are part of DC etc.

unseen on August 2, 2011 at 2:24 PM

@Missy: That’s why I posted the whole video. She said it was a victory in answer to an admittedly “leading” question. I just wish she wouldn’t have taken the bait!

In general, I agree with the idea that, to the extent she had a role at all, Palin was a little like a coach — encouraging her players before, now cheering them up heading into the second half. When I think of it like that, I perk up a little bit at the prospects of actually achieving significant spending cuts, caps and a balanced budget amendment post-2012. But, overall, even though I understand the political realities, I’m still just disappointed with today’s deal.

Tina Korbe on August 2, 2011 at 2:26 PM

Nothing has changed except that the Tea Party has been re-awakened, early, to march ahead with fervor. The fight is not won.

Those who called the Tea Party names will yet be shocked.

Schadenfreude on August 2, 2011 at 2:28 PM

I thought the 2010 Election was about changing the conversation and 2011 was supposed to be about executing it.
RedRobin145 on August 2, 2011 at 2:23 PM

They meant 2024 and 2025.

Bishop on August 2, 2011 at 2:29 PM

About a week ago, Palin called for any supposedly small-government freshman who voted for a debt ceiling increase to face a “contested” primary. Now, she’s silent on the subject of the 59 House freshmen who voted for the deal.

A. There may very well be contested primaries, and Palin will have the option to support/decline to support whomever she chooses.

B. Should (A) really be part of this interview? What good would a “Boehner is putting a positive spin on this deal, but it’s really bad, and I’m going to try to get those freshmen reps who went along out on their ear next election” type statement do?

/punditry fail

cs89 on August 2, 2011 at 2:29 PM

OnlyOrange on August 2, 2011 at 2:07 PM

Nailed it!

cartooner on August 2, 2011 at 2:32 PM

And if the GOP doesn’t take the senate, or PBHO gets reelected, or both, then what? Keep denying that “this” is the wrong hill to die on? Pretty soon we’re going to run out of hills.

Bishop on August 2, 2011 at 2:33 PM

Tina Korbe on August 2, 2011 at 2:26 P

M

Thanks, Tina, I appreciate that you posted the whole video. I was disappointed in your headline because the headline gets the most eyeballs and not everyone watches the full clip. I’m guilty of that myself.

To me Palin sounded a bit deflated. But it was a lot like a coach talking. Time to regroup and forge ahead.

Missy on August 2, 2011 at 2:34 PM

I said she was just a politician, not our personal savior, but I still think she’s adorable.

Seth Halpern on August 2, 2011 at 2:35 PM

Dow down 172pts now. Thank god for the DC elites just t hink what our retirement accounts would be without this deal/

unseen on August 2, 2011 at 2:36 PM

And speaking of said talent, you anti-Palin folks should be down on your knees thanking her for taking the attention that would be focused on destroying them.

Cindy Munford on August 2, 2011 at 2:14 PM

Seriously, are “anti-Palin folks” those who support someone else, or that just don’t like/agree with Sarah, or both?

cartooner on August 2, 2011 at 2:37 PM

Primaried? You betcha. No man, or woman is above the good of the nation. Primaries are the little man’s best chance at enforcing term limits and striking fear into the hearts of our untethered masters in Washington.

I say primary them until we start hearing some humility from our public servants, instead of being scolded by our own for doing what they are afraid to do -accept responsibility for daving this nation.

Don L on August 2, 2011 at 2:44 PM

Nothing has changed except that the Tea Party has been re-awakened, early, to march ahead with fervor. The fight is not won.

Those who called the Tea Party names will yet be shocked.

Schadenfreude on August 2, 2011 at 2:28 PM

This should be seen, not as a failure, but as achievable given enough “troops”. We had the element of surprise this time. Next time we won’t. We’ll need to fight to put more TP congressmen in office and a TP president.

cartooner on August 2, 2011 at 2:44 PM

I say primary them until we start hearing some humility from our public servants, instead of being scolded by our own for doing what they are afraid to do -accept responsibility for daving this nation.

Don L on August 2, 2011 at 2:44 PM

Yes. If we don’t primary a Republican we don’t like, then we either give the Dems his seat or keep his sorry a$$. Primaries are like political weight machines–they build political muscle!

cartooner on August 2, 2011 at 2:48 PM

cartooner on August 2, 2011 at 2:44 PM

Right you are, again, cartooner.

Schadenfreude on August 2, 2011 at 2:48 PM

OnlyOrange on August 2, 2011 at 2:07 PM

Indeed, to a point. Go see speech he held today. Watch out. When Obama says “we need to restructure taxes” he doesn’t really mean “for the rich, write offs, bla, bla, bla”.

He means adding a VAT on top of the current tax system. He absolutely doesn’t mean a 10% tax across the board, incl. the 55% of moochrs who not only pay none, but get refunds.

Schadenfreude on August 2, 2011 at 2:52 PM

Einstein said that crazy is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. How is that different from electing Republicans to the Congress? With the exception of just a few, they are all Democrat Lite and not all that lite! If it isn’t time for a third party now, when is it time. When Palin says that it’s a wonderful day for the tea party, then it’s time to call it quits with anyone who is associated with the GOP and kick everyone of their butts out of office. If that’s what her real take is this travesty, then she isn’t qualified to be president!

flytier on August 2, 2011 at 3:08 PM

The Won was in full campaign mode today after the senate vote, now that he’s got his slush fund handed to him by the cave dwellers. He also talked about an infrastructure bank since nothing was spent on infrastructure the first time around in the Porkulus. We did get some bike lanes marked with white paint in town. Thanks, Barack.

Kissmygrits on August 2, 2011 at 3:12 PM

“If everyone is thinking alike, then someone isn’t thinking” — Patton

Schadenfreude on August 2, 2011 at 3:13 PM

When Palin says that it’s a wonderful day for the tea party, then it’s time to call it quits with anyone who is associated with the GOP and kick everyone of their butts out of office. If that’s what her real take is this travesty, then she isn’t qualified to be president!

flytier on August 2, 2011 at 3:08 PM

She didn’t say it was a wonderful day for the tea party. She listed everything that was wrong with the deal. It is evident from the full video (not the headline assigned to this piece) that she thinks the deal is a POS.

Missy on August 2, 2011 at 3:14 PM

This was always a political battle, not a budget battle.

When S&P tells you, up front, what the number is ($4.0 Trillion as a starting point) and you ignore it, you know right then that the contest is over will and influence and the next election rather than about serious deficit reduction.

If it were about serious deficit reduction, it could ONLY have taken place AFTER August 2nd, not before. There was no way, politically, to get to or beyond $4 Trillion in cuts without having already passed the supposed drop dead date, passing over into an environment where the bluff of the President was really called and we saw what he decided to pay and not pay.

After August 2nd, when Social Security checks went out, when GI’s got paid, when the debt service payments were made, and the Armageddon talk was finally turned into a frank discussion about spending priorities, maybe, just maybe, we would have gotten somewhere on the budget deficit and debt problem.

Before August 2nd? Not possible. Too much rhetoric in the air to see whether the sun was rising or setting, much less to fly any kind of kite and see if it worked.

The debt ceiling votes and deals have to be evaluated in terms of politics. Because that’s what they were always about. And, on that metric, there’s something to be said for having at least created a ruckus at the spend party.

The next step? To see what the man playing the part of President does between now and next November with the additional political rope he’s just been handed.

IndieDogg on August 2, 2011 at 3:17 PM

flytier on August 2, 2011 at 3:08 PM

Before commenting, it would be wise to watch the video.

idesign on August 2, 2011 at 3:20 PM

agrred we got some good folk in Congress. If we had the right leader those folk would have been voting no on this bill not yes. Leadership does matter. the rinos have proven that beyond doubt. Now more then ever we need a Tea party person in leadership position WH would be a good start and While I don’t have much hope McConnell woould ever come around I do think under a conservative POTUS the speaker would follow his/her lead

unseen on August 2, 2011 at 1:42 PM

You’re right unseen, obviously the “Freshman” need new leadership.

“Attitude reflects leadership”
…Remember the Titans.

tencole on August 2, 2011 at 3:27 PM

Schadenfreude on August 2, 2011 at 2:52 PM

Obama has to talk to his base about increasing taxes — because he just caved on that issue. He’s trying to rally them — just like Sarah is trying to rally hers.

I expect to hear more from her on that issue on Hannity tonight, when she’s had a bit more time to compose her message…

She’s not pleased with the final package — who is — but if you’ll recall, she repeatedly said that she thought Obama would get a debt ceiling increase, even while saying she’d vote against it…

OnlyOrange on August 2, 2011 at 3:37 PM

IndieDogg on August 2, 2011 at 3:17 PM

Well said!

OnlyOrange on August 2, 2011 at 3:39 PM

I like Sarah Palin OK… But this deal is a victory only to the extent that we weren’t all executed, out of hand. …. And that we won’t be put up on the auction block and sold as slaves for a few more weeks, maybe even months.

LegendHasIt on August 2, 2011 at 3:43 PM

Another “small victory” — at least she wasn’t wearing pink…

;)

OnlyOrange on August 2, 2011 at 3:49 PM

Thanks Missy and Idesign. The video was well worth the watching. Give ‘em hell time comes later.

Caststeel on August 2, 2011 at 3:56 PM

Sarah Palin showed her apologist establishment Republican skirt again. Boehner, McConnell and Reid made the deal with Obama for the unconstitutional, Überbudget “Super Congress”.

Compare Palin’s response to the the Tea Party founder’s astute article @ The Hill. “When a cut is not a cut

If we simply returned to that year’s spending levels, which would hardly be austere, we would have a balanced budget right now. If we held the line on spending, and the economy actually did grow as estimated, the budget would balance on its own by 2015 with no cuts whatsoever.

We pay 35 percent more for our military today than we did 10 years ago, for the exact same capabilities. The same could be said for the rest of the government. Why has our budget doubled in 10 years? This country doesn’t have double the population, or double the land area, or double anything that would require the federal government to grow by such an obscene amount.

In Washington terms, a simple freeze in spending would be a much bigger “cut” than any plan being discussed. If politicians simply cannot bear to implement actual cuts to actual spending, just freezing the budget would give the economy the best chance to catch its breath, recover and grow.

maverick muse on August 2, 2011 at 4:04 PM

So who gets blamed for the Dow dropping 260pts. You all know if the deal wasn’t made and the dow dropped 256pts the rinos and establishment would be out saying it was all the TEa party’s fault. so since the deal pssed and the Dow fell 265pts can we not blame the establishment?

unseen on August 2, 2011 at 4:08 PM

Keep in mind folks, all that was raised is the debt ceiling, not the debt.

Here is the correct analogy:

You get your credit card statement, look it over and your CC companpy says you are over your limit a bit and need to at least make interest payments. You whip out your trusty calculator and pencil, figure you can afford another $10,000 on there.

In other words, we gave OURSELVES permission to borrow more money, but NO ONE has committed to LEND it.

PJ Emeritus on August 2, 2011 at 4:08 PM

No debate. No amendments, though insertions still occur. Any who vote against the “super congress” are disqualified from consideration to be members. Since fiscal conservatives oppose it, they won’t be in it to cut spending. Whatever authoritarian powers are vested in the “super congress” to cut spending can as easily be abused to raise taxes and spending. Two edged swords cut both ways.

And anything can be called an “emergency” and succumb to Potus mandate, the president being the congress of twelve’s 13th (veto) deciding vote.

Tina Kolbe, where’s the debt deal victory for the Tea Party that you headline?

maverick muse on August 2, 2011 at 4:12 PM

Screw this place.

fossten on August 1, 2011 at 7:50 PM

Said George Lopez, if Palin was elected.

MadisonConservative on August 2, 2011 at 4:26 PM

It’s not a victory in my eyes. Someone’s going to pay for this and my bet is it’s going to be higher taxes for the middle class. The dems will find a way to increase taxes so they could keep right on spending and financing their special interests. I’m betting that’s the whole reason they compromised…because they have some sinister plan in the works.

scalleywag on August 2, 2011 at 4:29 PM

Just my 2 cents but I like that Sarah is being practical and understands the long-term. Tea Partiers have a voice and they know they have a seat at the table. Most of you know I think no type of bill would make much difference, but it’s good to see a lot of the TP looking forward to 2012.

Bugler on August 2, 2011 at 2:02 PM

At least you are being honest and I truly respect that. I think a good few here that scream about the GOP doing nothing right is just looking for an excuse to go third party. I say wish them all well and give them a hand out the door.

Jesse on August 2, 2011 at 4:40 PM

A victory, but not the total one I wanted… Let’s move onto the next issue and keep playing the long game… The American voters are FINALLY paying attention… Got to take the government back from the 51% that don’t pay any Federal taxes…

Khun Joe on August 2, 2011 at 4:46 PM

It seems that many here disagree with Tom Sowell. Palin does not. It is not smart to diagree with Tom Sowell.

Jasper61 on August 2, 2011 at 4:47 PM

So who gets blamed for the Dow dropping 260pts. You all know if the deal wasn’t made and the dow dropped 256pts the rinos and establishment would be out saying it was all the TEa party’s fault. so since the deal pssed and the Dow fell 265pts can we not blame the establishment?

unseen on August 2, 2011 at 4:08 PM

Just wait until we get our credit rating downgraded for not making 4+ trillion in cuts. The Tea Party were the only ones serious about cutting that much or more and are sure to get the blame somehow.

As I see it, there exists only one problem in the US that all others stem from: a lazy electorate unwilling to educate themselves beyond media spin.

Kataklysmic on August 2, 2011 at 5:00 PM

cartooner on August 2, 2011 at 2:37 PM

Sorry, I had an errand to run. Obviously I can only speak for my own definitions but I don’t consider people who support other candidates as anti-Palin. The people I consider anti-Palin are the folks who can’t say anything nice and won’t even acknowledge her accomplishments. Sort of like anti-Tea Party people.

Cindy Munford on August 2, 2011 at 5:06 PM

I love Sarah Palin…. sorry, can’t agree with her here. It’s a screw over.

But… the only good thing about this is we can get on with fast and furious.

JellyToast on August 2, 2011 at 5:16 PM

Well, it has been widely quoted that the resistance to the bill came from long standing conservatives, not tea party types. Which means that a majority of tea party freshmen did indeed fall in line with the establishment whether they are traitors or not, that’s for you to decide.

I named Alan West and Renee Ellmers as being the more notable and also unlike the others these went to bat for the establishment.

As for me, I don’t trust the tea party types. Anybody can say good things, whether they follow through with their promises or not is something else entirely. The tea party types have failed the first test.

I trust Guiliani and Palin because they’ve actually delivered real reforms but I don’t want them to be sandbagged heavylifting for a second rate army.

promachus on August 2, 2011 at 1:29 PM

Yeah… I think I’ll stick with Tea Party types over Guiliani, and from the looks of the interview, Palin is trying to appeal to the Tea Party types.

MeatHeadinCA on August 2, 2011 at 5:24 PM

And speaking of said talent, you anti-Palin folks should be down on your knees thanking her for taking the attention that would be focused on destroying them.

Cindy Munford on August 2, 2011 at 2:14 PM

Sorry, but who are the “them” who would have “the attention that would be focused on destroying (them).”

Dreadnought on August 2, 2011 at 5:26 PM

Self-delusion isn’t pretty. Those who cry “sell out!” and “RINO!” and whine about the deal cannot tell us how they would have forced Obama and Reid into a better one, because they could not have.

All they could have done was forced a partial shutdown, triggering an immediate downgrade which would run up our interest costs to a size we could not overcome. Suicide to prove a point. Not very bright.

To all the boring little liars with the “3rd Party” nonsense: nobody pays any attention to you anymore, your threats are empty. If you meant it, you would be out organizing your new loser party and not be constantly telling Republicans how to run ours. You are a bunch of brats who throw tantrums when you don’t get your way, but never follow through on your threat to hold your breath and turn blue and die.

Adjoran on August 2, 2011 at 5:29 PM

Where’s the victory? The ceiling gets raised immediately but the spending cuts can gets kicked down the road-probably ‘in perpetuity’ or at least until little creatures who hide in closets and are nothing but hair, legs and teeth (Langoliers) eat up all the bad boys and girls who spend recklessly (or RINOS who aid and abet them.)

MaiDee on August 2, 2011 at 5:29 PM

Adjoran on August 2, 2011 at 5:29 PM

+1

Jesse on August 2, 2011 at 5:37 PM

Are we done venting our spleens yet?

Count to 10 on August 2, 2011 at 5:45 PM

I think you will find out soon enough that spending cuts do NOT mean spending cut at all but only the a cut in the RATE of spending.

EXample: I am fat because I have doubled my potato intake (per day) for the past 3 vyears.

in 2009 I ate 6 pounds of potatos per day
in 2010 I ate 12 pounds of potatoes per day
In 2011 I eat 24 pounds of potatoes a day
In 2012 I will eat 40 pounds of potatoes a day

This is actually an EATING CUT since I doubled my intake in 2010 and again in 2011 (100 % both years). But 40 is only a 83 % increases in the rate of eating therefore it is an EATING CUT of 17%.

MaiDee on August 2, 2011 at 5:46 PM

Adjoran on August 2, 2011 at 5:29 PM

Mostly, I think people are looking at the savings that not raising the debit limit would have forced, something he republicans could have done with just there majority in the house, and seeing that the final deal was tilted some 90% toward the Democrats’ position of keeping up the spending.

Count to 10 on August 2, 2011 at 5:52 PM

Read this -

We The Stupid – http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2011/08/we_the_stupid.html

Amjean on August 2, 2011 at 6:11 PM

Dreadnought on August 2, 2011 at 5:26 PM

The two the come immediately to mind are Marco Rubio and Rand Paul.

Cindy Munford on August 2, 2011 at 6:12 PM

Palin also said:

“What happened to the pledge that our Congress has made to America, saying they would post bills online three days before they voted on them?” she said. “They’ve already broken that pledge, and doggone it, that’s what makes us disappointed in politicians in Washington, D.C.”

kingsjester on August 2, 2011 at 7:16 PM

SP was wrong when she said that the GOP freshman who vote in favor of a debt ceiling increase should face a contested primary. I believe that if the country had gone into default as a result of the hold up of this bill, Republicans would probably get the blame and could very well be viewed as too staunch and extreme. Those reps who were voted into office in 2010, were sent to affect change in the direction of the economy…not blow it up. Alot of commenters here were “ready to die on that hill” as I heard said. But I don’t think alot of the country was ready to do that with you. Those Congressmen all knew better than she did.

lynncgb on August 2, 2011 at 7:36 PM

Are we done venting our spleens yet?
Count to 10 on August 2, 2011 at 5:45 PM

I’m not. I’m going to keep on until Adjoran has an aneurysm.

Bugler on August 2, 2011 at 7:40 PM

I believe that if the country had gone into default as a result of the hold up of this bill, Republicans would probably get the blame and could very well be viewed as too staunch and extreme.

lynncgb on August 2, 2011 at 7:36 PM

Any informed person could just have easily blamed the Democrats for not passing CCB in the sentate.

If your contention is that the media can make stupid people believe that anything bad is the Republican’s fault, guess what–they do that anyway regardless of what Palin or anyone else says.

Kataklysmic on August 2, 2011 at 7:41 PM

Read this -

We The Stupid – http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2011/08/we_the_stupid.html

Amjean on August 2, 2011 at 6:11 PM

That’s excellent. Thanks for the link.

Bugler on August 2, 2011 at 7:46 PM

SP was wrong when she said that the GOP freshman who vote in favor of a debt ceiling increase should face a contested primary.
lynncgb on August 2, 2011 at 7:36 PM

She did not directly say that. It was a P.S. at the end of of Facebook post telling them to stand strong. Direct quote:

P.S. Everyone I talk to still believes in contested primaries.”

A warning? A caution? But, likely not a “direct threat nor promise”…

Like many things attributed to her, it was taken somewhat out of context and rags like the NY Times run with it…

OnlyOrange on August 2, 2011 at 8:00 PM

“The Wizard of Oz is 72. Today if Dorothy were to meet men with-NO BRAINS-NO HEARTSs and -NO COURAGE, she wouldn’t be in OZ. She’d be in Congress!” ‘Political Humor’.

MaiDee on August 2, 2011 at 8:07 PM

Read this -

We The Stupid – http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2011/08/we_the_stupid.html

Amjean on August 2, 2011 at 6:11 PM

That’s excellent. Thanks for the link.

Bugler on August 2, 2011 at 7:46 PM
She is someone who gets it, doesn’t she? I think Hot Air
should have a thread with this commentary being the subject.

As I said elsewhere the repubs brought us flowers and took us out to dinner after they cheated on us….and we are so stupid we are forgiving them. Hogwash.

Amjean on August 2, 2011 at 8:14 PM

About a week ago, Palin called for any supposedly small-government freshman who voted for a debt ceiling increase to face a “contested” primary.

She most certainly did not. That was not the criteria referred to in her “P.S.”

Cindy Cooper on August 2, 2011 at 8:27 PM

This lady would sell your mother to pirates and claim she found a way to help pay your gas bill.

Beto Ochoa on August 2, 2011 at 8:28 PM

Wow. Guess I ge to recycle a quote from the “How little the debt deal accomplishes” thread.

Obama’s speech: Evidence of just how little the debt deal accomplishes

As Yogi Berra would say, “It’s deja vu all over again.” The president today took to the podium in the White House Rose Garden to purportedly praise the debt ceiling deal that just passed the Senate. Instead, he used the opportunity to call for — yep, you guessed it — “a balanced approach” to deficit reduction in the future.

Obama’s not the sharpest tool in the shed, but even he knows that at the end of the deal, you always act like you won, even if you clearly lost.

So naturally he’ll act like nothing has changed. But in his soul, he’s bitter.

tom on August 2, 2011 at 7:58 PM

Palin also knows that when the deal is done, you claim the credit for whatever victory you have. No one considers this debt deal to be a full victory. But we can claim credit for cutting Obama short of forcing tax hikes and raising the debt limit without matching spending cuts.

Palin does that, while acknowledging that it was only a partial victory. I don’t know what more you can expect.

The bottom line is we did about as well as we could with control of just the House, but we’d be fools to think we’ve won a permanent victory. It will take winning both houses and the presidency in 2012 to really make a difference. And at that, too many squishes in Congress could still ruin it.

It will be fun though to watch the same crowd who’ve been telling us how we should settle for the deal turn around and criticize Palin for calling the deal even a “partial” victory.

tom on August 2, 2011 at 8:37 PM

I’m not. I’m going to keep on until Adjoran has an aneurysm.

Bugler on August 2, 2011 at 7:40 PM

Or her mommy comes and sends her to bed early and without supper.

Uncle Sams Nephew on August 2, 2011 at 8:45 PM

Adjoran on August 2, 2011 at 5:29 PM

That will get them in line. Have you every heard the word counterproductive?

Cindy Munford on August 2, 2011 at 8:52 PM

Beto Ochoa on August 2, 2011 at 8:28 PM

What does that mean?

Cindy Munford on August 2, 2011 at 8:54 PM

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