Palin: House passage of debt deal is a victory for the Tea Party

posted at 12:00 pm on August 2, 2011 by Tina Korbe

It seems to be the new talking point: The deal is a victory for conservatives not because of what it does (which is, not much!), but because it supposedly represents a change in the direction of the debate. Once, Washington discussed what to grow. Now, Washington discusses what to cut. Even former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin has echoed the theme — but with qualifications. The Wall Street Journal Washington Wire reports:

Former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin said Monday’s House vote to lift the debt ceiling was a victory for the tea party, proving that conservative activists had shifted the conversation in Washington.

“We shall take this victory and make sure our politicians in office today are learning from this victory,” Ms. Palin said Monday night on Fox News, where she is a paid contributor. “It’s not a 100% pure genuine victory. We just handed the most liberal president, I believe, in U.S. history a $2.4 billion debt increase.” …

Ms. Palin didn’t fully embrace the deal, saying she had plenty of problems with the compromise  between the White House and congressional leaders, including Republican House Speaker John Boehner. In the past, the former governor said she was not convinced America would face a default if lawmakers did not raise the debt ceiling by Aug. 2.

Meanwhile, Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa), one of the founders of the Tea Party Caucus in Congress (along with GOP presidential candidate Rep. Michele Bachmann), says the deal can’t possibly be touted as a win.

“The Tea Party is not calling this a victory,” Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa) said today on Fox News. “I’m certainly not.”

It’s perplexing, really — the way so many conservatives changed their minds at the last minute. About a week ago, Palin called for any supposedly small-government freshman who voted for a debt ceiling increase to face a “contested” primary. Now, she’s silent on the subject of the 59 House freshmen who voted for the deal. And what about the 59 freshmen who voted that way in the first place? What accounts for their support? What accounts for Boehner’s comment that he got “98 percent” of what he wanted, when he clearly didn’t?

The effort to spin this compromise as a conservative victory is impressive — and it makes sense. No one wants to declare themselves diminished politically. And this deal enables leadership to tout its ability to garner votes, to prevent default, etc., etc. etc. But it’s still just a political victory. It’s not a solution. And to rest too much on the laurels of maybe-no-tax-hikes and at-least-it’s-not-a-clean-debt-ceiling-increase obscures the distance the country still has to go. Better to stay focused on the facts: The nation is still spending money it doesn’t have (we’re borrowing about $2 million every minute of every day!). The government is still growing (keep in mind the cuts are to increases in spending over the next 10 years).

Here’s the full video of the Palin interview:



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Ok, I’ll say it because no one else will:

They finally found the body of Jimmy Hoffa. He appears to be clutching a copy of “The Undefeated”.

So that’s where it went!

chumpThreads on August 2, 2011 at 9:07 PM

The first 2 minutes of Palin on Hannity tonight is pure Gold. She’s pounding Obama and giving the Dems a complete beatdown.

CTSherman on August 2, 2011 at 9:07 PM

chumpThreads on August 2, 2011 at 9:07 PM

Was that an attempt at humor? Is that you, Jon?

Sporty1946 on August 2, 2011 at 9:13 PM

What does that mean?

Cindy Munford on August 2, 2011 at 8:54 PM

I think Beto is speaking in third person, saying that she, “this lady” Beto Ochoa, would like to sell your mother to pirates and claim “she”, Beto Ochoa, found a way to help pay your gas bill. Maybe, a community organizer who helps people pay their gas bills?

Or, perhaps, “she”, Beto Ochoa, is a ruthless pirate merchant who is somehow involved with Big Oil and Gas and has a side business of supplying grandmothers to third world countries like Somalia…

But, why she posted this strange message here is somewhat confusing. I’d think she’d want to keep her business dealings on the down low…

Fallon on August 2, 2011 at 9:18 PM

I always said she was a RINO. Or at least a moderate. There is nothing remotely right-wing about Sarah Palin. She is this close to being a country club republican.

keep the change on August 2, 2011 at 9:39 PM

Palin was on fire on Hannity!

She took on Obama, took on Mitt too…..oh, too good…

Amjean on August 2, 2011 at 9:43 PM

Was that an attempt at humor? Is that you, Jon?

Sporty1946 on August 2, 2011 at 9:13 PM

Cut him a break. I’ll take lame attempts at humor over his usual posting of Trig Truther links. Plus a Dem who likens The Undefeated to Triumph of the Will while ignoring the fact that any given two hours of MSNBC contains more pro Obama material than Bannon’s documentary contains about Palin is too delusional to pay much mind.

Kataklysmic on August 2, 2011 at 9:43 PM

Fallon on August 2, 2011 at 9:18 PM

Sounds illegal.

Cindy Munford on August 2, 2011 at 9:48 PM

Palin: If we were terrorists Obama would be wanting to pal around with us

Sarah Palin says that she isn’t just going to roll over and say to the left “hit me baby one more time, call me a terrorist again, call me a racist”, but rather she’s going to call them out on their hypocrisy. That includes Obama, of course, who she said wouldn’t have a problem with the Tea Party if they were really domestic terrorists:

http://www.therightscoop.com/palin-if-we-were-terrorists-obama-would-be-wanting-to-pal-around-with-us/

unseen on August 2, 2011 at 10:08 PM

Palin: If we were terrorists Obama would be wanting to pal around with us

unseen on August 2, 2011 at 10:08 PM

Hahaha! Instant classic.

Kataklysmic on August 2, 2011 at 10:13 PM

Ok, I’ll say it because no one else will [find any value in it]:

They finally found the body of Jimmy Hoffa. He appears to be clutching a copy of “The Undefeated”.

So that’s where it went!

chumpThreads on August 2, 2011 at 9:07 PM

massrighty on August 2, 2011 at 10:15 PM

Just wait until we get our credit rating downgraded for not making 4+ trillion in cuts.

Kataklysmic

Aww, that’s cute. You actually believed they were going to lower our credit rating. They’re not going to lower our credit rating. They never were.

xblade on August 2, 2011 at 10:19 PM

Sarah Palin: “Heck, If We Were Real Terrorists Barack Obama Would Want to Pal Around With Us” (Video)
Posted by Jim Hoft on Tuesday, August 2, 2011, 8:21 PM

Sarah Palin commented on Joe Biden’s terrorist remarks tonight with Sean Hannity,
“Heck if we were real terrorists Barack Obama would want to pal around with us.”

ted c on August 2, 2011 at 10:22 PM

Palin: If we were terrorists Obama would be wanting to pal around with us

unseen on August 2, 2011 at 10:08 PM

Priceless.

Fallon on August 2, 2011 at 10:24 PM

and if we really were terrorists, Obama would be telling all the folks to not jump to conclusions about what we’re doing!!!

ted c on August 2, 2011 at 10:26 PM

Priceless.

Fallon on August 2, 2011 at 10:24 PM

you should check out what she had to say about Mitt bless his heart…..ROFL..

unseen on August 2, 2011 at 10:29 PM

ted c on August 2, 2011 at 10:22 PM

Cuda shoots. She scores!

kingsjester on August 2, 2011 at 10:29 PM

You gotta read this LINK

If we were really domestic terrorists, shoot, President Obama would be wanting to pal around with us wouldn’t he? I mean he didn’t have a problem with paling around with Bill Ayers back in the day when he kicked off his political career in Bill Ayers apartment, and shaking hands with Chavez and saying he doesn’t need any preconditions with meeting dictators or wanting to read US Miranda rights to alleged suspected foreign terrorists. No if we were real domestic terrorists I think President Obama wouldn’t have a problem with us.

Sarah Palin

Geochelone on August 2, 2011 at 10:29 PM

….and….if we were terrorists….Obama would be doin’ shoutouts ahead of announcing what it is that we have done

ted c on August 2, 2011 at 10:30 PM

Aww, that’s cute. You actually believed they were going to lower our credit rating. They’re not going to lower our credit rating. They never were.

xblade on August 2, 2011 at 10:19 PM

Is this the same omniscient xblade who admonished me that “no one is saying Palin shouldn’t run” right before the poll came out showing 40% of Republican’s didn’t?

Yeah, I read the Bloomberg piece. The very first sentence is quite telling:

Moody’s Investors Service and Fitch Ratings affirmed their AAA credit ratings for the U.S. while warning that the ratings could be downgraded if lawmakers fail to enact debt reduction measures and the economy weakens.

Would you like to go on record right now that our rating will not be downgraded in the next 18 months because more cuts were not contained in this deal?

Kataklysmic on August 2, 2011 at 10:31 PM

I always said she was a RINO. Or at least a moderate. There is nothing remotely right-wing about Sarah Palin. She is this close to being a country club republican.

keep the change on August 2, 2011 at 9:39 PM

True. I’ve been saying the same thing. With a little bit of the populist for good measure.

She doesn’t sound any different than Boehner, McConnell, or generic “establishment” Republican in this clip.

Dreadnought on August 2, 2011 at 10:31 PM

Sarah Palin commented on Joe Biden’s terrorist remarks tonight with Sean Hannity,

“Heck if we were real terrorists Barack Obama would want to pal around with us.”

ted c on August 2, 2011 at 10:22 PM

Sorry Ted.

I didn’t see your comment. So I will give you a Hat Tip anyway cause you deserve it for a bunch of other reasons.

Geochelone on August 2, 2011 at 10:32 PM

She doesn’t sound any different than Boehner, McConnell, or generic “establishment” Republican in this clip.

Dreadnought on August 2, 2011 at 10:31 PM

Palin: “Enough is enough, I’m not just going to roll over with a sticker plasted on my forehead that says hit me baby one more time”

Palin: If we were terrorists Obama would be wanting to pal around with us

yeap real country clubber right that there.

unseen on August 2, 2011 at 10:33 PM

Dreadnought on August 2, 2011 at 5:26 PM

The two the come immediately to mind are Marco Rubio and Rand Paul.

Cindy Munford on August 2, 2011 at 6:12 PM

OK. Thanks for clarifying.

Dreadnought on August 2, 2011 at 10:33 PM

I didn’t see your comment. So I will give you a Hat Tip anyway cause you deserve it for a bunch of other reasons.

Geochelone on August 2, 2011 at 10:32 PM

gee thanks geo!

ted c on August 2, 2011 at 10:41 PM

yeap real country clubber right that there.

unseen on August 2, 2011 at 10:33 PM

In the Greta clip above? Please.

You’re could have replaced Palin with McConnell or whomever in the Greta clip above and kept Palin’s words, and it would not have sounded a bit out of character for them.

At least some of her supporters on this board recognize that her take in the Greta clip is in the same vein as Mr. Generic-”Establshment”-Republican, even if others are unwilling to do so.

Dreadnought on August 2, 2011 at 10:43 PM

Dreadnought on August 2, 2011 at 10:43 PM

What wrong with that? To get the nomination she will have to make friends with all sides of the party. Just because you don’t like her doesn’t mean that others can’t be convinced.

Cindy Munford on August 2, 2011 at 11:14 PM

Dreadnought on August 2, 2011 at 10:43 PM
What wrong with that? To get the nomination she will have to make friends with all sides of the party. Just because you don’t like her doesn’t mean that others can’t be convinced.

Cindy Munford on August 2, 2011 at 11:14 PM

I would say there is nothing wtong with it, but it’s a quite a disconnect from her comments last week, and also, I doubt some of her supporters would feel the same way if those same words were coming out of sombody’s else’s mouth.

As far as others being convinced: over the last year or so, I’ve been told that about twenty different events were going to move the masses of Republicans and Independents in her direction, so far the polls and anecdotal evidence indicate that is not happening.

Dreadnought on August 3, 2011 at 12:03 AM

Dreadnought on August 3, 2011 at 12:03 AM

I don’t know if she can move the masses, she seems to have uncanny political instincts. I’m just going to hide and watch.

Cindy Munford on August 3, 2011 at 12:55 AM

But it’s still just a political victory. It’s not a solution.

It’s not even a “political victory” in the long run. It probably tore the republican party in two. I’m not voting for another one of them. The most moderate of the Republican candidates is likely to be nominated, and then defeated by Obama for lack of conservative support. The establishment republicans, which now includes Sara, will then try to blame “conservative extremists” for not voting for them after calling them naive and betraying them.

We need an alternative to the Republican party. This one chews up its freshmen and makes them squishy. It’s fundamentally flawed beyond repair.

elfman on August 3, 2011 at 8:47 AM

As far as others being convinced: over the last year or so, I’ve been told that about twenty different events were going to move the masses of Republicans and Independents in her direction, so far the polls and anecdotal evidence indicate that is not happening.

Dreadnought on August 3, 2011 at 12:03 AM

I use to like Palin, but thought that she needed about ten more years of experience. I’m sure that she can still be an effective leader, but not for conservatives or principled independents. The first read flag was her statement supporting amnesty. I hoped that it was just her inexperience showing, regarding something that she hadn’t thought though. But she had all the time and help she needed to think though the budget.

Considering both her lapses in judgment, I think that she’s morally damaged in a way that won’t improve with experience, at least not this kind of experience. She seems to believe that compromise is the path to success, failing to fully anticipate the likely unintended consequences of compromising with evil. I think that she’s on the path to becoming a successful leader… of moderates, and may even become president some day. But she won’t accomplish much more than delaying the inevitable financial collapse of the nation for a few more years — leaving an even greater debt to enslave our kids and grandkids.

elfman on August 3, 2011 at 9:12 AM

elfman on August 3, 2011 at 9:12 AM

You did not comprehend what was actually said, or the context in which it was raised.

The establishment republicans, which now includes Sara, will then try to blame “conservative extremists” for not voting for them after calling them naive and betraying them.

This is perhaps the most ridiculous thing I’ve read all week.

All of a sudden, now Sarah Palin is a tool of the establishment.

Come on, get real.

Brian1972 on August 3, 2011 at 9:32 AM

This is how The Right Scoop commented on the interview in his post:

Sarah Palin said that though Tea Party members are used to being labeled as racists and inciters of violence, she found it especially appalling that the second in command of the most powerful office in the world would say that Tea Party members are acting like terrorists.

Regarding the debt limit deal, she went on to say that while it is a victory to change the debate toward talking about the debt, there is much more work to be done. She does acknowledge that the debt limit deal is a step in the right direction but she doesn’t like giving what she believes may be the most liberal President in US history another 2 trillion dollars that we don’t have with no major reforms:

I think that’s more to the point of what she actually said than this misleading headline here.

Brian1972 on August 3, 2011 at 9:50 AM

Considering both her lapses in judgment, I think that she’s morally damaged

elfman on August 3, 2011 at 9:12 AM

Danny, Danny, Danny…morally damaged?…

Gohawgs on August 3, 2011 at 10:25 AM

Considering both her lapses in judgment, I think that she’s morally damaged

elfman on August 3, 2011 at 9:12 AM

Danny, Danny, Danny…morally damaged?…

Gohawgs on August 3, 2011 at 10:25 AM

At the risk of being far too presumptive, I think he meant “mortally damaged.” Still wrong either way.

gryphon202 on August 3, 2011 at 10:29 AM

gryphon202 on August 3, 2011 at 10:29 AM

Danny’s now on the QOTD thread replying and lying…

Gohawgs on August 3, 2011 at 10:48 AM

Considering both her lapses in judgment, I think that she’s morally damaged

elfman on August 3, 2011 at 9:12 AM

Danny, Danny, Danny…morally damaged?…

Gohawgs on August 3, 2011 at 10:25 AM

At the risk of being far too presumptive, I think he meant “mortally damaged.” Still wrong either way.

gryphon202 on August 3, 2011 at 10:29 AM

“If” someone compromises with evil and rewards those acting illegally with disastrous results, how is that not a moral issue? One time may be a error, twice it the beginning of a pattern that’s not likely to improve as she becomes more integrated into big league politics.

elfman on August 3, 2011 at 10:57 AM

Danny’s now on the QOTD thread replying and lying…

Gohawgs on August 3, 2011 at 10:48 AM

That’s a joke… right?

elfman on August 3, 2011 at 10:58 AM

elfman on August 3, 2011 at 10:57 AM

You are attempting to attribute things to Palin that are not accurate…

Gohawgs on August 3, 2011 at 11:02 AM

That’s a joke… right?

elfman on August 3, 2011 at 10:58 AM

Did I use a wrong word or a phrase you didn’t understand? Maybe I dropped a “g”?

Gohawgs on August 3, 2011 at 11:03 AM

“If” someone compromises with evil and rewards those acting illegally with disastrous results, how is that not a moral issue? One time may be a error, twice it the beginning of a pattern that’s not likely to improve as she becomes more integrated into big league politics.

elfman on August 3, 2011 at 10:57 AM

Blow it out your hole, moron. For better or for worse, Sarah Palin has done everything she said she would and has left me with no doubt as to where she stands on the vast majority of issues. If you really believe there are less morally compromised politicians than her, then I have a bridge to sell you.

gryphon202 on August 3, 2011 at 11:03 AM

elfman, (good nic)

Tina mischaracterised what Palin said when she wrote the headline and has been chastised elsewhere in the thread for doing so.

Gohawgs on August 3, 2011 at 11:09 AM

Tina mischaracterised what Palin said when she wrote the headline and has been chastised elsewhere in the thread for doing so.

Gohawgs on August 3, 2011 at 11:09 AM

But good luck convincing her to change it.

gryphon202 on August 3, 2011 at 11:10 AM

But good luck convincing her to change it.

gryphon202 on August 3, 2011 at 11:10 AM

Tina did reply in the thread to “Missy” but didn’t change or update the text…

Gohawgs on August 3, 2011 at 11:15 AM

Tina did reply in the thread to “Missy” but didn’t change or update the text…

Gohawgs on August 3, 2011 at 11:15 AM

Which has attracted Elfman and others to go with the original misunderstanding. Doesn’t this at least rate an update?

gryphon202 on August 3, 2011 at 11:20 AM

Did you guys notice how fast Danny disappeared when we told him to actually watch the video in its entirety?

/context

gryphon202 on August 3, 2011 at 11:32 AM

gryphon202 on August 3, 2011 at 11:32 AM

I understand how a “misunderstanding” can happen when the headline/text is inaccurate. Many don’t always watch the embedded vids (me) and therefore go with the text and/or their perception of the topic. However, if something sounds fishy it probably is…

Gohawgs on August 3, 2011 at 11:39 AM

I understand how a “misunderstanding” can happen when the headline/text is inaccurate. Many don’t always watch the embedded vids (me) and therefore go with the text and/or their perception of the topic. However, if something sounds fishy it probably is…

Gohawgs on August 3, 2011 at 11:39 AM

There’s “misunderstanding,” and there is “willfully obtuse.”

gryphon202 on August 3, 2011 at 11:42 AM

elfman, (good nic)

Tina mischaracterised what Palin said when she wrote the headline and has been chastised elsewhere in the thread for doing so.

Gohawgs on August 3, 2011 at 11:09 AM

I just skimmed most of the first page while listening to most of the interview, and quit when I heard “It’s a steep in the right direction.” If she supports the deal, which that implies, the rest of her remarks were just “hot air”, and she’s just politicking and rationalizing her moral collapse like most of the other politicians who voted for the bill.

elfman on August 3, 2011 at 11:43 AM

Did you guys notice how fast Danny disappeared when we told him to actually watch the video in its entirety?

/context
gryphon202 on August 3, 2011 at 11:32 AM

I have work to do. But why should you care when a “moron” exists a thread?

elfman on August 3, 2011 at 11:44 AM

elfman on August 3, 2011 at 11:43 AM

elfman on August 3, 2011 at 11:44 AM

Yup. Just what I thought. Stuck on stupid.

And I work nights, thanks.

gryphon202 on August 3, 2011 at 11:47 AM

If you really believe there are less morally compromised politicians than her….

gryphon202 on August 3, 2011 at 11:03 AM

I’m going from the presumption that Palin supports this bill raising the debt ceiling (and amnesty). I don’t know the moral characters of all politicians, but the ones who didn’t support compromising way what I think was our last best chance to avoid a more severe melt down that cripples my kids’ future are contenders.

elfman on August 3, 2011 at 11:53 AM

elfman on August 3, 2011 at 11:53 AM

Your “presumption” is incorrect.

Since you have no interest in actually finding out what was really said, you’ll just have to remain misinformed.

That’s on you.

Brian1972 on August 3, 2011 at 11:58 AM

gryphon202 on August 3, 2011 at 11:47 AM

My 6 & 8 year old boys make more emotionally balanced and substantive arguments from what you’ve posted to me. Don’t post to me unless you can support your positions and stop the name calling.

elfman on August 3, 2011 at 12:00 PM

I’m going from the presumption that Palin supports this bill raising the debt ceiling (and amnesty). I don’t know the moral characters of all politicians, but the ones who didn’t support compromising way what I think was our last best chance to avoid a more severe melt down that cripples my kids’ future are contenders.

elfman on August 3, 2011 at 11:53 AM

You’re starting with facts not in evidence. She never supported the bill. When you stopped watching the video at the “…victory for the tea party…” blurb, you missed the part where she said she thought it was a mistake to raise the debt ceiling. And she didn’t qualify that. She congratulated the Tea Party for changing the direction and tone of the debate and noted that “…we still have a lot more work to do.”

Tina Korbe, if you’re reading this, you did Sarah Palin NO FAVORS with your shoddy headline. I’m not normally one to complain about the quality of blog posts around here, but this one was atrocious on a few levels.

gryphon202 on August 3, 2011 at 12:00 PM

My 6 & 8 year old boys make more emotionally balanced and substantive arguments from what you’ve posted to me. Don’t post to me unless you can support your positions and stop the name calling.

elfman on August 3, 2011 at 12:00 PM

Well just because you’re not name calling doesn’t mean that your arguments are “substantive” or “emotionally balanced,” Elfy. There are certainly days when I’d get eaten alive by the sharks at the Oxford Club, and this may even be one of those days, but we’re not at the Oxford Club. You are free to ignore me — though I doubt you will.

gryphon202 on August 3, 2011 at 12:02 PM

…you missed the part where she said she thought it was a mistake to raise the debt ceiling.”

gryphon202 on August 3, 2011 at 12:00 PM

She also said the bill that did raise the debt ceiling, “was a step in the right direction”. How do you reconcile those two statements?

elfman on August 3, 2011 at 12:08 PM

gryphon202 on August 3, 2011 at 12:02 PM

Okay, you’re emotionally imbalanced. I understand. I’d like to know how much.

If you can help me with my previous post to understand something that any reasonable person would misunderstand, please, go ahead.

elfman on August 3, 2011 at 12:13 PM

She also said the bill that did raise the debt ceiling, “was a step in the right direction”. How do you reconcile those two statements?

elfman on August 3, 2011 at 12:08 PM

C’mon, you’re supposed to like “little girls“…Palin said that it was a step in the right direction because raising taxes wasn’t being talked about rather cutting spending was…She the went on to list some problems with the bill. She was already on record, a week ago, as being against a deal to raise the debt limit…

Gohawgs on August 3, 2011 at 12:16 PM

She also said the bill that did raise the debt ceiling, “was a step in the right direction”. How do you reconcile those two statements?

elfman on August 3, 2011 at 12:08 PM

Nice try on playing with words and trying to link them together, but that’s not what she said. The move in the right direction refered to the point that for the first time the Country will now be focusing on debt reduction.

idesign on August 3, 2011 at 12:17 PM

She also said the bill that did raise the debt ceiling, “was a step in the right direction”. How do you reconcile those two statements?

elfman on August 3, 2011 at 12:08 PM

She has been saying for months now, that we should not raise the debt ceiling at all, if she were in Congress she would vote against it, that the executive branch can prioritize what gets paid and what doesn’t, she was strongly in support of Cut Cap Balance.

She also said, way back in that Fox News Sunday interview that she realized the debt ceiling would in fact be raised because there was sufficient political will on both sides of the aisle in DC to do it, even though she did not think it had to be done.

The other part of this is she is trying to encourage the Tea Party Americans to recognize that compared to a few short years ago, they have accomplished a major shift in the focus of the debate in DC already, which is actually the truth. Take heart in your progress to date, while recognizing there is much more work to be done and the fight has just started it is not over by any means.

There is no contradiction in those comments.

She has never said the actual bill, or the deal itself, is the “victory”.

The victory is a small one, that the debate has changed from an automatic increase in debt without much comment, to a real fight that cost Obama.

When the numbers in the House and Senate are better, the results will be better. A conservative President to sign into law what that new Congress could pass is crucial to making real significant progress. First you must win the American People.

Brian1972 on August 3, 2011 at 12:17 PM

If you can help me with my previous post to understand something that any reasonable person would misunderstand, please, go ahead.

elfman on August 3, 2011 at 12:13 PM

Considering that your misunderstanding stems from willful obtuseness and your apparently fervent desire to stick with a pre-ordained narrative, you’re beyond my help. Electroshock therapy might help.

gryphon202 on August 3, 2011 at 12:18 PM

She also said the bill that did raise the debt ceiling, “was a step in the right direction”. How do you reconcile those two statements?

elfman on August 3, 2011 at 12:08 PM

The “step in the right direction” was that we are not talking about debt reduction and how to cut spending instead of tax increases. To my knowledge, Sarah Palin has never supported debt ceiling increases. So one of us is wrong.

gryphon202 on August 3, 2011 at 12:19 PM

The “step in the right direction” was that we are not talking about debt reduction and how to cut spending instead of tax increases. To my knowledge, Sarah Palin has never supported debt ceiling increases. So one of us is wrong.

gryphon202 on August 3, 2011 at 12:19 PM

Blech. Preview FTW.

gryphon202 on August 3, 2011 at 12:20 PM

I just listened to the relevant portion of the interview, from where Gretta introduced how the debate had shifted (which it hasn’t) to where Palin said that “it” was a victory and then later that it was a step in the right direction. It’s not clear what “it” is because the conversation went back and forth between 1) the debate topic, 2) the bill, and perhaps 3) the overall political/ideological battle (debatetopic – budgetbill = step in right direction). Palin often speaks in short hand without making the context clear.

The fact that Palin said that she didn’t support raising the debt ceiling means little because she was a strong supporter of CC&B which raises the debt ceiling.

People are going to read what they want into her statements. I’ll withhold judgment on Palin’s potential moral compromise until that’s clarified.

elfman on August 3, 2011 at 1:00 PM

The fact that Palin said that she didn’t support raising the debt ceiling means little because she was a strong supporter of CC&B which raises the debt ceiling.

I supported CC&B. Does that make me morally suspect? Go on. I dare you.

People are going to read what they want into her statements. I’ll withhold judgment on Palin’s potential moral compromise until that’s clarified.

elfman on August 3, 2011 at 1:00 PM

It’s been clarified. If watching that video wasn’t good enough for you. I’ll put you on my list of PDSers.

gryphon202 on August 3, 2011 at 1:05 PM

Wow. Sarah’s comments to Hannity Tues night make crystal clear she thinks the “debt deal” is crap, she thinks Romney’s late and weak rejection of it is crap, she thinks the Pres and the Dems who are ragging on the tea party are crap, and she doesn’t want us getting discouraged.

She’ll be joining the fight shortly. Stay tuned.

james23 on August 3, 2011 at 2:06 PM

gryphon202 on August 3, 2011 at 1:05 PM

CC&B, as I understand it, balances spending in 6 or so years at limits that at least don’t cripple the economy. Palin’s bill… ha, just kidding… Boehner/Reid’s bill cuts noting by spending more each year, indirectly forces tax increases, spends well over 1 trillion $ more each year into infinity, covers Obama through the election, makes republicans complicit in it – thereby dividing many conservatives and principled independents from the republican party and doesn’t change the focus of the debate.

It’s been clarified. If watching that video wasn’t good enough for you. I’ll put you on my list of PDSers.

gryphon202 on August 3, 2011 at 1:05 PM

I just explained why it hasn’t been clarified from all the information on this page. My arguments are well reasoned and supported, but because we don’t agree, you fly into little emotional tirades and change the subject. I don’t care what list you put me on. I won’t be reading your posts.

elfman on August 3, 2011 at 2:14 PM

gryphon202 on August 3, 2011 at 11:47 AM

My 6 & 8 year old boys make more emotionally balanced and substantive arguments from what you’ve posted to me. Don’t post to me unless you can support your positions and stop the name calling.

elfman on August 3, 2011 at 12:00 PM
Well, since I am sick of seeing your stupid posts, how’s
this for name calling….dumbass!

Amjean on August 3, 2011 at 3:36 PM

Wow. Sarah’s comments to Hannity Tues night make crystal clear she thinks the “debt deal” is crap, she thinks Romney’s late and weak rejection of it is crap,….

james23 on August 3, 2011 at 2:06 PM

I skimmed the transcript. She criticized what she didn’t like about it, but this is as close as she came to saying that she didn’t support it:

“Yeah. Look, thank God for those folks who stood up for their principles. And granted, you know, I’m not going to consider this debt deal that was signed into law today.”

She didn’t explain what “considered” means. It could mean that she doesn’t want to think about it or that it’s too flawed to consider supporting.

elfman on August 3, 2011 at 3:44 PM

I skimmed the transcript.

elfman on August 3, 2011 at 3:44 PM

I’ll give just as much effort to your opinions.

Brian1972 on August 3, 2011 at 10:12 PM

I won’t be reading your posts.

elfman on August 3, 2011 at 2:14 PM

Many have tried and failed, PDSer. Good luck with that.

gryphon202 on August 3, 2011 at 11:48 PM

I’ll give just as much effort to your opinions.

Brian1972 on August 3, 2011 at 10:12 PM

I pointed you here on another thread, telling you that I watched the video twice, but you take that out of context and present it as if I’m uninformed. No one could be more diligent, thoughtful, civil and sincere than I’ve been here while two others try to flame me (as if irrational insults have any effect), and now you respond with this little snip.

There’s a little enclave of craziness here. I heard the term Palinistas, never investigated, but didn’t have to. Here they are.

I’m guessing that Palin has been persecuted for so long and her supporters have invested so much in helping her survive, fighting back where she couldn’t, that the possibility that she meant “moving in the right direction” on the budget deal can’t be considered. Some who’ve fought PDS for so long now act in its mirror image. Benefit of the doubt is reasonable. But reflexive anger and insults rather than rationally examining the evidence is destructive to both themselves and to their goals. It’s sad to see.

elfman on August 4, 2011 at 10:58 AM

elfman on August 4, 2011 at 10:58 AM

There are none so blind as those that will not see.

gryphon202 on August 4, 2011 at 12:03 PM

elfman on August 4, 2011 at 10:58 AM

I tried to explain to you what she meant, because I understood it clearly, yet you insist she has joined the support for the deal, when she has not.

It is absolutely clear she has not. Why you can’t, or won’t, accept that is something I cannot help you with, apparently.

Brian1972 on August 4, 2011 at 12:08 PM

I tried to explain to you what she meant, because I understood it clearly

Yes, that was thoughtful, the most substantive reply, and I responded to it and what others said in detail here. I pointed out how her saying she won’t raise the debt ceiling contradicts her support of CC&B. So she apparently will raise the debt ceiling under some circumstances. After two reviews of the interview, it’s not clear to me what a “step in the right direction” means, and I have good ear for parsing words.

It’s clear that she hates this bill. Half the the republicans who voted for it hate it and speak just as forcefully against the horrors that it contains.

…yet you insist she has joined the support for the deal, when she has not.

I insist on nothing but the need for confirmation. I posted that on the QOTD thread to you. I withdrew my claim that she supports the debt deal early yesterday and said that I’d withhold judgment until it’s clarified. I listed your interpretation as one of the 3 possibilities. Did you mis that? I don’t expect supporters to agree, but I do expect them to either tolerate my disbelief or disprove it before acting like children. You’re not one of them, but I am surprised at your replies.

elfman on August 4, 2011 at 1:23 PM

Brian1972 on August 4, 2011 at 12:08 PM

I can’t remember to add the “post to” tag to save my life.

elfman on August 4, 2011 at 1:24 PM

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