Source: DeMint might back primary challenges against Republicans who supported deal

posted at 9:22 pm on August 1, 2011 by Allahpundit

DeMint himself told Politico not three hours ago that he won’t support primary challenges against incumbents, a position he’s held for months, so presumably this is just a shot across the bow from someone on his team trying to keep centrist Republicans in check.

But since I know roughly 98 percent of the HA faithful feel about this deal the way they’d feel chewing on broken glass, here’s a little something to brighten your evening. RINO Purge 2012?

DeMint had promised after last year’s election that he would not endorse any opponents to his fellow GOP lawmakers in the 2012 cycle. But now he is angry enough with the debt-ceiling compromise that Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) and House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) struck with President Obama that he might back serious challengers to Republican senators who support the plan, according to a source close to the senator.

“He’s already opened the door to changing that policy in terms of supporting people in primaries — this deal could bring him to the point where he says he’s not going to make any guarantees,” said the source, who asked not to be identified because of the sensitive nature of intraparty relations. “It’s not a threat that he’s going to oppose anybody, but … if he does, nobody should be surprised.”

There are eight Republican senators running for reelection next year, among them Dick Lugar, Scott Brown, Olympia Snowe, Bob Corker, and Orrin Hatch. The first three are all voting yes tomorrow; we’ll see about the latter two. Of the five of them, Hatch is obviously the easiest/least risky to primary given that the Republican nominee will surely win the seat while Brown, of course, is the most risky. If DeMint’s going to make a mark it would be by boosting challengers to the other three. Presumably he’ll focus only on Senate races, too, although watching his PAC go after Allen West and Paul Ryan for their heresy on the debt-ceiling vote would be pure blog magic. Exit question: Will the reaction to Jim Jordan in last week’s House caucus meeting affect DeMint’s calculus on this? Republicans were afraid to confront tea-party heroes last year during the big red wave, but after Joe Miller, Sharron Angle, and Christine O’Donnell lost, there may be less patience this time for primaries that risk fumbling a seat away to the Democrats. Especially since Democrats have a lot more to lose next year than we do.

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Old saying: Dance with the one that brung ‘ya.

Another old saying: don’t cut off your nose to spite your face.

Russ on August 1, 2011 at 11:34 PM

(for those of you calling for scalps)

annoyinglittletwerp on August 1, 2011 at 11:31 PM

Care to make an argument against holding politicians accountable to their promises? Are you really happy with the status quo? Do you realize how few people agree with you?

FloatingRock on August 1, 2011 at 11:34 PM

‘Your representative owes you, not his industry only, but his judgment; and he betrays instead of serving you if he sacrifices it to your opinion.’

Just something to think about.

annoyinglittletwerp on August 1, 2011 at 11:31 PM

In other words he is an all-knowing politician whose omniscient judgment should never be questioned by the plebes?

Most decent people I know would be horrified at the thought of opening a credit card in their child’s name to pay off their own enormous debt accumulated buying useless sh1t like a white trash lotto winner.

Guess that is just me though. So fck him and his so-called “judgement”.

ClassicCon on August 1, 2011 at 11:37 PM

If you’re talking about primarying a Tea Party stalwart and war hero, you need a serious perspective shift.

Defending a strategic vote does not a RINO make. But it’s becoming all too clear that some folks will never, ever, be happy.

KingGold on August 1, 2011 at 11:18 PM

I said nothing about primarying West. He is a hero. However,
the primary government mandate is to protect the country. Anyone who voted for this bill is putting the country at great risk. And I don’t like it and neither will you when the only thing we can defend is a playground.

derft on August 1, 2011 at 11:25 PM

A number of Republicans who voted for the deal don’t think the trigger mechanism will come into play. That could be entirely correct, or they might find 75% of the savings and have defense and Medicare take the 25% , or Congress could outright ignore the trigger mechanism.

youngTXcon on August 1, 2011 at 11:45 PM

FloatingRock on August 1, 2011 at 11:34 PM

Until 4 months ago I was an %^&*()$ tea party activist in Chicago-so spare me the lecture.
I want my elected officials to be more than yes men for me. I WANT them to…exercise their judgement when they cast votes. I want their votes to be thoughtful-even if in the end I disagree w/ some of them.
Neugebauer voted no-West voted yes. West knew his vote wouldn’t sit well w/ his constituents-but in his judgement this was best option on the table.
Neugebauer came to a different decision…using his judgement.

annoyinglittletwerp on August 1, 2011 at 11:48 PM

Joe Miller, Sharron Angle, and Christine O’Donnell

You know, I might go along with the charge of these three being a mistake if the party had actually done something for them during their runs! If freakin’ Steele and Cornyn had puts some boots on the ground in their respective states, maybe one or more would have won or at least had a chance!

Jim-Rose on August 1, 2011 at 11:50 PM

A number of Republicans who voted for the deal don’t think the trigger mechanism will come into play. That could be entirely correct, or they might find 75% of the savings and have defense and Medicare take the 25% , or Congress could outright ignore the trigger mechanism.

youngTXcon on August 1, 2011 at 11:45 PM

I hope your right. I am on medicare now and I can not find a doctor who excepts medicare. I go to the emergency ward. The medicare cuts will be to doctors and hospitals. It will only get worse. Repeal Obamcare before I go before the Death Panel. Please.

derft on August 1, 2011 at 11:54 PM

This is all meaningless. Until, Boehner, Mcconnell and Cornyn go, no matter whom you elect it won’t matter. They will find a way to seduce , bribe or threaten to co-opt. If Allan West and Renee Ellmers can be co-opted, then anybody will. The tea party guys know that they can talk a good shtick and get elected but then play footsie with the establishment. The majority leaders should be reliably conservative and reliably smart. It was pretty pathetic to see Cornyn elected to his position in senate leadership council without a challenge. That shouldn’t stand.

promachus on August 1, 2011 at 11:55 PM

Allen West is a sellout and needs to be primaried along with everybody else. Greta schooled Mr. West by telling him that when a business isn’t in great financial shape, they make cut right away. Americans and businesses live by this principle so the gov’t needs to do the same.

PRIMARY ALL RINOS AND SELLOUT FRESHMEN! Don’t give them any money and call or write them to make sure that we the people are going to do everything in our power to boot them out.

RedRobin145 on August 1, 2011 at 11:59 PM

Until 4 months ago I was an %^&*()$ tea party activist in Chicago-so spare me the lecture.
I want my elected officials to be more than yes men for me. I WANT them to…exercise their judgement when they cast votes. I want their votes to be thoughtful-even if in the end I disagree w/ some of them.
Neugebauer voted no-West voted yes. West knew his vote wouldn’t sit well w/ his constituents-but in his judgement this was best option on the table.
Neugebauer came to a different decision…using his judgement.

annoyinglittletwerp on August 1, 2011 at 11:48 PM

What. The. Fck? Are you for real? What the hell is this “thoughtful” politician voting garbage that I would expect to here on Oprah?

So it doesn’t matter the ramifications of a vote, just as long as someone is “thoughtful”? Here is a thought for you. So you think it is ok to put the debt of this country on the backs of my children just so long as you can have a fckn bumper sticker on the back of your ride touting a meaningless GOP victory in the next election.

I lose touch with more people in the country by the second…

ClassicCon on August 2, 2011 at 12:01 AM

PRIMARY ALL RINOS AND SELLOUT FRESHMEN! Don’t give them any money and call or write them to make sure that we the people are going to do everything in our power to boot them out.

RedRobin145 on August 1, 2011 at 11:59 PM

And replace them with what exactly? I don’t what you think is out there, but you are only going to get more of the same. You Tea Party people are killing me?

ClassicCon on August 2, 2011 at 12:05 AM

‘Your representative owes you, not his industry only, but his judgment; and he betrays instead of serving you if he sacrifices it to your opinion.’

Just something to think about.

annoyinglittletwerp on August 1, 2011 at 11:31 PM

Here is the problem. I want someone to represent me, not be my mom or dad. I especially don’t want their fkd. up ideas to cost me any more money than necessary to run the government. Tonight is just not a good night for “it’s the best deal etc.” I’ve been watching this grand experiment get worse over forty years. I’m tired of giving in.

arnold ziffel on August 2, 2011 at 12:07 AM

Jim-Rose on August 1, 2011 at 11:50 PM

Christine O’Donnell thoroughly alienated her own party. They didn’t owe her a thing, and Cornyn still gave her money.

Joe Miller ran a piss-poor campaign the moment he got nominated. I don’t blame the national GOP for hedging their bets, especially considering that Leeza McCloskey voted for CCB and against the Reid bill.

You’re totally wrong about Angle. The party pitched in, she was raising more than enough money, and Karl Rove was running millions in ads for her.

KingGold on August 2, 2011 at 12:11 AM

ClassicCon on August 2, 2011 at 12:01 AM

she’s an a$$holes advocate

Her name suits her well

Sonosam on August 2, 2011 at 12:11 AM

And replace them with what exactly? I don’t what you think is out there, but you are only going to get more of the same. You Tea Party people are killing me?

ClassicCon on August 2, 2011 at 12:05 AM

PRINCIPLED PEOPLE!

RedRobin145 on August 2, 2011 at 12:12 AM

Allen West is a sellout and needs to be primaried along with everybody else. Greta schooled Mr. West by telling him that when a business isn’t in great financial shape, they make cut right away. Americans and businesses live by this principle so the gov’t needs to do the same.

I didn’t ever expect a debt deal to solve this problem, and we’re never going to get one before the collapse, either. You cannot overturn almost a century of bad choices made by both our government and our people. We have run out of time.

As for making cuts, I would be incredibly angry if this was all we got with a conservative government– it would be unacceptable, in fact– but I’m not sure how you do much better this type of divided government. Obama (in triangulation mode) couldn’t even get all the House Democrats to support this because it was far too conservative for them. How can you even come close to doing 15% of what is necessary when trying to deal with people who regard us as terrorists?

youngTXcon on August 2, 2011 at 12:13 AM

Let’s try that again:

Allen West is a sellout and needs to be primaried along with everybody else. Greta schooled Mr. West by telling him that when a business isn’t in great financial shape, they make cut right away. Americans and businesses live by this principle so the gov’t needs to do the same.

PRIMARY ALL RINOS AND SELLOUT FRESHMEN! Don’t give them any money and call or write them to make sure that we the people are going to do everything in our power to boot them out.

RedRobin145 on August 1, 2011 at 11:59 PM

I didn’t ever expect a debt deal to solve this problem, and we’re never going to get one before the collapse, either. You cannot overturn almost a century of bad choices made by both our government and our people. We have run out of time.

As for making cuts, I would be incredibly angry if this was all we got with a conservative government– it would be unacceptable, in fact– but I’m not sure how you do much better this type of divided government. Obama (in triangulation mode) couldn’t even get all the House Democrats to support this because it was far too conservative for them. How can you even come close to doing 15% of what is necessary when trying to deal with people who regard us as terrorists?

youngTXcon on August 2, 2011 at 12:14 AM

Primaries are the time to hold politicians accountable. We should try to replace moderate Republicans with more conservative candidates.

Unfortunately many candidates that we believe are conservatives catch Potomac Fever as soon as they arrive in DC.

Renee Ellmers (NC-2) is a good example. She got very little money from the GOP establishment because it thought she coiuldn’t win but won because of Tea Party support and because of contributions from conservatives across the country.

Since arriving in DC she has become little more than a pawn of John Boehner and the Establishment Republicans.

bw222 on August 2, 2011 at 12:14 AM

When someone acts in a condescending way to the voters who worked tirelessly and voted him into office, he should be
replaced. That arrogance and disregard for the voters is what got this country into the mess we are in now.

Amjean on August 1, 2011 at 11:09 PM

He wasn’t being condescending, but if you want to be insulted you will I guess.

whbates on August 2, 2011 at 12:14 AM

PRINCIPLED PEOPLE!

RedRobin145 on August 2, 2011 at 12:12 AM

Allen West was a “principled person.” Yet, somehow, you all managed to drop him in the “craven traitor RINOs” bin.

Politicians are human beings. They are not perfect, and no one member of Congress is going to have a perfect voting record. There are not enough perfect candidates, and conservatives just don’t have the kind of money it would take to force such a thing were it even possible.

KingGold on August 2, 2011 at 12:15 AM

Have to say I might have to support DeMint. Checks standing ready.

AshleyTKing on August 2, 2011 at 12:22 AM

KingGold on August 2, 2011 at 12:11 AM

All true; Angle would have been so sweet: unseating a real slime and putting in a solid Tea Party lady (even with some of her religious quirkiness).

AshleyTKing on August 2, 2011 at 12:25 AM

PRINCIPLED PEOPLE!

RedRobin145 on August 2, 2011 at 12:12 AM

There is really no such thing anymore. There are no monolithic American “principles”. Most of the country has been conditioned by the neo-comm left to decide for themselves how principles are defined and the sliding scale they should be founded upon.

So you guys are counting on the morality of the today’s American citizens to turn this country around? Do you not see how naive that is?

ClassicCon on August 2, 2011 at 12:36 AM

DeMint can go start a new country that doesn’t feel obliged to settle its debts.

lexhamfox on August 2, 2011 at 12:38 AM

There are not enough perfect candidates, and conservatives just don’t have the kind of money it would take to force such a thing were it even possible.

KingGold on August 2, 2011 at 12:15 AM

Exactly…so why even play along? Protect your family and friends from oncoming collapse and fck the rest of the country. That is my plan.

The Balkaniztion of these so called United States is inevitable. Happens to most empires, so it is nothing to fear.

ClassicCon on August 2, 2011 at 12:39 AM

KingGold on August 2, 2011 at 12:15 AM

Lots of members of Congress become very wealthy by catering to special interests. Mitch McConnell entered congress as a man of very modest means and now is worth over $30 million. Chris Dodd and many others received large mortgages at well below market rates. Nancy Pelosi’s net value has increased substantially.

When you are a member of Congress you can become quite wealthy supporting issues for the rich and powerful. Too many times members of Congress support what’s best for their major contributors, not necessarily what’s best for the country or what their constituents want.

bw222 on August 2, 2011 at 12:42 AM

Have to say I might have to support DeMint. Checks standing ready.

AshleyTKing on August 2, 2011 at 12:22 AM

Save the checks for your kids and don’t waste another moment on that corrupt kingdom in D.C.

ClassicCon on August 2, 2011 at 12:44 AM

A number of Republicans who voted for the deal don’t think the trigger mechanism will come into play. That could be entirely correct, or they might find 75% of the savings and have defense and Medicare take the 25% , or Congress could outright ignore the trigger mechanism.

youngTXcon on August 1, 2011 at 11:45 PM

With all due respect, a number of Republicans don’t have the first clue what to expect and will probably get nothing of what they thought. T They were all played by the old guard just like the voters, once again!

bluemarlin on August 2, 2011 at 12:44 AM

All true; Angle would have been so sweet: unseating a real slime and putting in a solid Tea Party lady (even with some of her religious quirkiness).

AshleyTKing on August 2, 2011 at 12:25 AM

The unions and casinos strongly supported Reid (including Steve Wynn who is now complaining about Obama) giving them paid time off to vote and transporting them to the polls. This likely provided the difference.

bw222 on August 2, 2011 at 12:46 AM

I am not calling Allen West a RINO or calling for him to be primaried, but to quote Obama “acted stupidly” during this debate. While it may not cost him his seat, it will cost him campaign funds.

I was planning to make a contribution to West, but now my check will have Tim Scott’s name on it.

bw222 on August 2, 2011 at 12:50 AM

It appears that the rightwingers want a bunch of pre-programmed, purity-tested robots representing them in Congress. It’s a real pain having to deal with thinking human beings, innit?

Since the robot plan isn’t going to be happening any time soon, I presume Plan B is to have a bunch of arrogant bullies like Jim DeMint running things, threatening anyone who dares to exercise his God-given free will and informed judgment with punishment.

Is this any way to run a country? I don’t want to live in Obama’s America, but I sure as hell don’t want to live in a rightwing dictatorship either.

Meredith on August 2, 2011 at 12:58 AM

A number of Republicans who voted for the deal don’t think the trigger mechanism will come into play. That could be entirely correct, or they might find 75% of the savings and have defense and Medicare take the 25% , or Congress could outright ignore the trigger mechanism.

youngTXcon on August 1, 2011 at 11:45 PM

With all due respect, a number of Republicans don’t have the first clue what to expect and will probably get nothing of what they thought. T They were all played by the old guard just like the voters, once again!

bluemarlin on August 2, 2011 at 12:44 AM

Considering those steps are outlined in the bill, the rank-and-file ought to know what’s supposed to happen. Now, the Democrats could very well ignore everything in the bill– except the few bits which are to their benefit– and call it a day. But they must pretend to be serious to win the next election, so it’s unlikely they will just walk. Regardless, it would be highly irresponsible for the Republicans to just assume that nothing will happen and walk away, especially now that they’ve committed to this. A duty is a duty whether the other side fulfills their oath or not.

youngTXcon on August 2, 2011 at 1:02 AM

Jim-Rose on August 1, 2011 at 11:50 PM

Never forget that if Sen. Cornyn had had his way we would have Crist instead of Rubio.

Cindy Munford on August 2, 2011 at 1:05 AM

…I was planning to make a contribution to West, but now my check will have Tim Scott’s name on it.

bw222 on August 2, 2011 at 12:50 AM

Tim Scott was wavering over supporting Boehner’s bill and, while the vote was happening, asked the majority whip if he could wait to vote no until the bill was passed. I like him and he’s overall a good conservative representative, but he disappointed me in that. If you firmly believe in something, you should stick to it without sounding like you’re asking for cover.

youngTXcon on August 2, 2011 at 1:08 AM

A number of Republicans who voted for the deal don’t think the trigger mechanism will come into play.

youngTXcon on August 1, 2011 at 11:45 PM

Do you know what else they “didn’t think”? (So they claim.)

They didn’t think that the Boehner bill they voted on a few days ago would come back to their side of the court. They claimed that it would force the Senate to capitulate and that it was some sort of master stroke.

Of course there was a barrage of complaints from people like me who knew better, but we were ignored. They insisted that they were the wise ones, and that this really was a master stroke and the Democrats would be on the run now.

It was all a lie.

Or, am I wrong. Have any of the freshmen announced that Boehner or Cantor or somebody lied to them, told them that this really was a master stroke? Not that I’ve heard of, so that means that they must have known they were lying when they told the voters back home that their vote was a master stroke.

FloatingRock on August 2, 2011 at 1:09 AM

And replace them with what exactly? I don’t what you think is out there, but you are only going to get more of the same. You Tea Party people are killing me?

ClassicCon on August 2, 2011 at 12:05 AM

We replace them with people who will do what they are elected to do in respect to their promises. West is not irreplaceable. We can and will find a better candidate.

csdeven on August 2, 2011 at 1:09 AM

It appears that the rightwingers want a bunch of pre-programmed, purity-tested robots representing them in Congress. It’s a real pain having to deal with thinking human beings, innit?

Since the robot plan isn’t going to be happening any time soon, I presume Plan B is to have a bunch of arrogant bullies like Jim DeMint running things, threatening anyone who dares to exercise his God-given free will and informed judgment with punishment.

Is this any way to run a country? I don’t want to live in Obama’s America, but I sure as hell don’t want to live in a rightwing dictatorship either.

Meredith on August 2, 2011 at 12:58 AM

Question is do you want a country left that you can live in or do you want to go off the financial cliff and be reduced to a Banana Republic or maybe even a Balkanization process? Interesting question, “innit”? There is no preprogramming, if a politician campaigns for certain things then he should be held to what he said. Jim DeMint is an arrogant bully for standing up for what he believes in? Isn’t he just exercising his God given free will to inform people of his beliefs? Hypocritical much?

bluemarlin on August 2, 2011 at 1:11 AM

Conservatism is not complicated.

Constitution – If you have to interpret it, you’re wrong.
Small government – say 1880 size; proportional to population +/-.
Low taxes – Start with repeal of 16th Amendment.
Fuss all you want over society and birth control. Sideshows. Not essential to function of people in a country.

You want more government – try the Taliban. They control, or want to, everything.

Caststeel on August 2, 2011 at 1:13 AM

West undoubtedly lost credibility with a significant amount of his base by his votes. While military service is noble and admirable, and highly appreciated by patriotic Americans, military experience is not a superseding decision-making framework in any realm outside of the military. Moral clarity and common sense must be the prevailing decision-making framework.

The United States is on the verge of bankruptcy, and the Tea Party people understand the urgency of this grave situation. Our debt is gargantuan; this bill adds another mountain of debt to the total; and time is not our friend.

It is easy to see why the people who worked hard to elect West are disappointed in him after these votes. He, in effect, by virtue of these votes, raised legitimate and serious questions about his committment to common sense conservative principles, and loyalty to his constituents, as opposed to the leadership of the House.

Supporters of this debt deal, including West, are even placing at risk national defense, by virtue of the defense cut automatic trigger included in the debt deal. The Republican party used to be the party supporting strong national defense, and it is incredible that even establishment Republicans could support this debt deal which places national defense in jeopardy. We continue to face serious threats in the middle east, and from China which continues to build up its military power, posing a growing threat to the US Navy, and our allies in the Pacific theater.

These events cost West some stature and standing among his supporters.

SheetAnchor on August 2, 2011 at 1:27 AM

A number of Republicans who voted for the deal don’t think the trigger mechanism will come into play.

youngTXcon on August 1, 2011 at 11:45 PM

Do you know what else they “didn’t think”? (So they claim.)

They didn’t think that the Boehner bill they voted on a few days ago would come back to their side of the court. They claimed that it would force the Senate to capitulate and that it was some sort of master stroke.

Of course there was a barrage of complaints from people like me who knew better, but we were ignored. They insisted that they were the wise ones, and that this really was a master stroke and the Democrats would be on the run now.

It was all a lie.

Or, am I wrong. Have any of the freshmen announced that Boehner or Cantor or somebody lied to them, told them that this really was a master stroke? Not that I’ve heard of, so that means that they must have known they were lying when they told the voters back home that their vote was a master stroke.

FloatingRock on August 2, 2011 at 1:09 AM

Some of them assumed capitulation in exchange for a different deal, but others thought it was going to be the basis for a deal– which it was. The debt deal compromise is largely Boehner’s bill. I actually heard more of the latter (basis for a deal) than the former, but I honestly followed the opinions of the congressional veterans more than I did the freshmen.

It’s also interesting that the liberals are so angry with their supposed overwhelming victory. They have been railing against Obama, declaring that he is a fool who compromised with the hostage takers and (in so doing) set-back the “progressive” movement. Some have even declared that he needs to be primaried.

As for the freshmen, I haven’t read any complaints about the leadership misleading them. In fact, even some of the ones who voted against the debt deal were singing Boehner’s praise (as they do consistently) yesterday morning. That may change, but they seem to trust and respect him.

youngTXcon on August 2, 2011 at 1:30 AM

Tim Scott was wavering over supporting Boehner’s bill and, while the vote was happening, asked the majority whip if he could wait to vote no until the bill was passed. I like him and he’s overall a good conservative representative, but he disappointed me in that. If you firmly believe in something, you should stick to it without sounding like you’re asking for cover.

youngTXcon on August 2, 2011 at 1:08 AM

Thanks for the insightful information. This nation is in a desperate situation because elected representatives have placed preference over principle. As long as this attitude prevails in the Congress this nation is history. As John Adams said, “Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate for the government of any other.”

SheetAnchor on August 2, 2011 at 1:35 AM

I may not agree with their vote, but I still have alot of respect for Allen West and Paul Ryan. They have done alot for our side and will do more in the future. I know in my heart they thought this was the best deal possible and they are not sellouts. There are few like them in Congress and we will not find better by primarying them. (Spelling? lol)

We don’t know all the back and forth and behind the scenes promises for future cuts or no taxes, etc.

There is always the slight chance that we may get a good deal out of this in a future fight over the cuts. You never know. At this point, let’s just wait and see.

2 things are needed now.

Conservatives and tea party members (esp the ones who voted yes) need to start harping on the next cuts and the plan for November and next year. Keep the ball moving in the right direction and call in the promises made and the political capital that was expended here. They were promised cuts. West, Ryan, et all should hold their feet to the fire and be vocal and start now.

Secondly, we need to elect more tea party people to the House, Senate and get the Presidency. (not replace the ones who voted yes this one time. New ones added.) Nothing meaningful will happen until we do.

If they had a few more in the House or Senate, this wouldn’t have gone through.

Elisa on August 2, 2011 at 1:48 AM

* et al

Elisa on August 2, 2011 at 1:49 AM

Thanks for the insightful information. This nation is in a desperate situation because elected representatives have placed preference over principle. As long as this attitude prevails in the Congress this nation is history. As John Adams said, “Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate for the government of any other.”

SheetAnchor on August 2, 2011 at 1:35 AM

Our nation turned its back on Judeo-Christian values long ago. But even with the embrace of those values and everything else that set-apart the Founding Fathers, they still had their disagreements and made mistakes in governance. We can keep replacing lawmakers in the hopes that they are solely men of integrity, but it is rare to find such men, and even then they will disappoint. It is a fallen world and men are given to their first nature. Perfection– including doing things completely on principle– are unobtainable this side of Heaven. That does not excuse use from trying to do our best, but it still means we and others will fail at times. If you place your trust in people, you will only be disappointed.

youngTXcon on August 2, 2011 at 1:49 AM

Save the checks for your kids and don’t waste another moment on that corrupt kingdom in D.C.

ClassicCon on August 2, 2011 at 12:44 AM

First, it is not all corrupt. Second, without better people all the checks to my kids won’t matter.

AshleyTKing on August 2, 2011 at 1:50 AM

Perfection– including doing things completely on principle– are unobtainable this side of Heaven. That does not excuse use from trying to do our best, but it still means we and others will fail at times. If you place your trust in people, you will only be disappointed.

youngTXcon on August 2, 2011 at 1:49 AM

Perfect analysis. Reminds me why I like reading this website. Pearls like this.

On that happy note, good night to all and God bless you and your families.

Elisa on August 2, 2011 at 1:56 AM

Some of them assumed capitulation in exchange for a different deal, but others thought it was going to be the basis for a deal– which it was.

youngTXcon on August 2, 2011 at 1:30 AM

You’re leaving out an important fact. Some of the so-called tea party freshmen excused their vote in favor of Boehner’s sham bill on the grounds that it was part of some great strategy that puts the ball in the Democrat Senates court where they would somehow have to capitulate.

Where did so many “tea party” freshmen get such a ridiculous idea? If it was their own idea, they’re idiots and should be primaried, but if Boehner or Cantor or somebody else lied to them. Told them something that wasn’t true in exchange for their votes, they should expose it. If they don’t, we have to assume it was their own stupidity that is to blame.

FloatingRock on August 2, 2011 at 1:56 AM

Perfection– including doing things completely on principle–

youngTXcon on August 2, 2011 at 1:49 AM

This has nothing to do with some abstract notion like “principle”. This isn’t some sort of esoteric argument about something that doesn’t really matter. This is about holding politicians accountable if they break their word to the voters. You people keep trying to redefine the argument, but let’s stick to reality. We’re talking about people who lied to trick people to vote for them, then got real comfortable and decided to break their promise to grease the skids of their new career.

FloatingRock on August 2, 2011 at 2:05 AM

Some of them assumed capitulation in exchange for a different deal, but others thought it was going to be the basis for a deal– which it was.

youngTXcon on August 2, 2011 at 1:30 AM

You’re leaving out an important fact. Some of the so-called tea party freshmen excused their vote in favor of Boehner’s sham bill on the grounds that it was part of some great strategy that puts the ball in the Democrat Senates court where they would somehow have to capitulate.

Where did so many “tea party” freshmen get such a ridiculous idea? If it was their own idea, they’re idiots and should be primaried, but if Boehner or Cantor or somebody else lied to them. Told them something that wasn’t true in exchange for their votes, they should expose it. If they don’t, we have to assume it was their own stupidity that is to blame.

FloatingRock on August 2, 2011 at 1:56 AM

Which Tea Party freshmen specifically had this grand notion that we would somehow get a better bill? Several veteran lawmakers who supported the Boehner bill said at the time of the its introduction that parts of the bill had already been hammered-out during negotiations, as were the categories identified to be cut. So I do not understand how some of them felt they would somehow get something, like, say, CCB if they only passed the bill. In fact, the grand capitulation theory I heard from some in RSC was that Obama would eventually (or sometimes perhaps eventually) sign CCB if pressured enough.

youngTXcon on August 2, 2011 at 2:08 AM

Our nation turned its back on Judeo-Christian values long ago. But even with the embrace of those values and everything else that set-apart the Founding Fathers, they still had their disagreements and made mistakes in governance. We can keep replacing lawmakers in the hopes that they are solely men of integrity, but it is rare to find such men, and even then they will disappoint. It is a fallen world and men are given to their first nature. Perfection– including doing things completely on principle– are unobtainable this side of Heaven. That does not excuse use from trying to do our best, but it still means we and others will fail at times. If you place your trust in people, you will only be disappointed.

Your observations are certainly accurate. However, honest mistakes are not at issue. Honesty and integrity is at issue. No one has to be dishonest, untruthful, or deceitful. People choose to be dishonest, usually to further some personal interest. Whenever elected representatives are proven to be dishonest, they must be held accountable, and removed for cause from public office.

The failure to enforce moral standards on elected representatives undermines the integrity upon which our entire governmental system is based. We are experiencing the disatrous consequences of integrity being compromised among elected representatives, and citizens tolerating such behavior.

This government needs honest people serving. Otherwise it cannot function as designed in the Constitution; and thus, government, as Lincoln said, “of the people, by the people, and for the people,” will inevitably perish from the earth.

Our nation may only have one last opportunity to return to its founding values and principles; that opportunity is in November of 2012. If it cannot elect a president, and a congress, of strong moral character, then it will seal its own end.

SheetAnchor on August 2, 2011 at 2:22 AM

Perfection– including doing things completely on principle–

youngTXcon on August 2, 2011 at 1:49 AM

This has nothing to do with some abstract notion like “principle”. This isn’t some sort of esoteric argument about something that doesn’t really matter. This is about holding politicians accountable if they break their word to the voters. You people keep trying to redefine the argument, but let’s stick to reality. We’re talking about people who lied to trick people to vote for them, then got real comfortable and decided to break their promise to grease the skids of their new career.

FloatingRock on August 2, 2011 at 2:05 AM

Trusting in people and political movements only leads to disappointment and heartbreak; that is a realistic statement. If that isn’t at issue here, then why the frequent usage of the phrases “I am disappointed in him/her”, “I thought they were better than that”, etc.? Moreover, with regards to this primary debate, the fact that lawmakers have constantly been replaced in the hope of something better yet people are still left feeling disappointed speaks volumes about human nature, does it not?

Furthermore, while a majority of people in government are only there because they seek power, money, and a plethora of other “goodies”, there are still some people in D.C. who want to do the right thing for the country. They don’t always agree on what that thing is, but they have proven they are willing to put their careers on the line when it counts.

So yes, there are some people who lied here and broke certain promises to their constituents, which is nothing new for them. I’m sure a number of representatives in the House– especially freshmen– now also realize that, in their zeal, they made promises they couldn’t possibly keep. Repealing ObamaCare is a top priority, but everyone who guessed that Obama would suddenly decide to kill his one so-called accomplishment was wholly unrealistic. Attempting to force D.C. to leave old ways behind them is also incredibly important, but it will not happen overnight and with this current divided government.

So it is best to avoid making promises you cannot keep. I don’t think some of them realized just how hard this would be, though others never intended on even trying and that’s on them. So, as with every other election, the constituents get to decide who gets held accountable for what. Some of those who were honest will lose their seats and others who had no thought of honoring their pledges will keep theirs. It’s not fair, but that’s life.

youngTXcon on August 2, 2011 at 2:25 AM

Our nation turned its back on Judeo-Christian values long ago. But even with the embrace of those values and everything else that set-apart the Founding Fathers, they still had their disagreements and made mistakes in governance. We can keep replacing lawmakers in the hopes that they are solely men of integrity, but it is rare to find such men, and even then they will disappoint. It is a fallen world and men are given to their first nature. Perfection– including doing things completely on principle– are unobtainable this side of Heaven. That does not excuse use from trying to do our best, but it still means we and others will fail at times. If you place your trust in people, you will only be disappointed.

Your observations are certainly accurate. However, honest mistakes are not at issue. Honesty and integrity is at issue. No one has to be dishonest, untruthful, or deceitful. People choose to be dishonest, usually to further some personal interest. Whenever elected representatives are proven to be dishonest, they must be held accountable, and removed for cause from public office.

The failure to enforce moral standards on elected representatives undermines the integrity upon which our entire governmental system is based. We are experiencing the disatrous consequences of integrity being compromised among elected representatives, and citizens tolerating such behavior.

This government needs honest people serving. Otherwise it cannot function as designed in the Constitution; and thus, government, as Lincoln said, “of the people, by the people, and for the people,” will inevitably perish from the earth.

Our nation may only have one last opportunity to return to its founding values and principles; that opportunity is in November of 2012. If it cannot elect a president, and a congress, of strong moral character, then it will seal its own end.

SheetAnchor on August 2, 2011 at 2:22 AM

Yes, and we get to sort-out who was honest and was not. As I’ve now said, it’s best to avoid making promises you cannot keep or are wholly unrealistic. I don’t think some of them realized just how hard changing the culture would be, though others never intended on even trying and that’s on them. So, as with every other election, the constituents get to decide who gets held accountable for what. Some of those who have been honest in trying to solve our problems will lose their seats, while others who had no thought of honoring their pledges will keep theirs. It’s not fair, but that’s life.

As for our part, we need to be wise and discerning when it comes to determining who lied and who didn’t. Everyone who has served in the 112th could be considered to have broken a promise this session, though some of them honestly felt they were doing the best they could do. We have seen it once again here with this debt deal and each situation regarding this vote ought to be judged carefully and separately. That isn’t moral relativism; it’s an honest attempt at seeking the truth.

youngTXcon on August 2, 2011 at 2:38 AM

Which Tea Party freshmen specifically had this grand notion that we would somehow get a better bill?

youngTXcon on August 2, 2011 at 2:08 AM

I don’t recall but I seem to recall there were at least a couple.

FloatingRock on August 2, 2011 at 2:40 AM

I don’t recall names, that is.

FloatingRock on August 2, 2011 at 2:40 AM

Our nation turned its back on Judeo-Christian values long ago. But even with the embrace of those values and everything else that set-apart the Founding Fathers, they still had their disagreements and made mistakes in governance. We can keep replacing lawmakers in the hopes that they are solely men of integrity, but it is rare to find such men, and even then they will disappoint. It is a fallen world and men are given to their first nature. Perfection– including doing things completely on principle– are unobtainable this side of Heaven. That does not excuse use from trying to do our best, but it still means we and others will fail at times. If you place your trust in people, you will only be disappointed.

youngTXcon on August 2, 2011 at 1:49 AM

Oh for goodness sakes. This is absolute crap!

How many freaking times will they have to betray you before you wake the **** up? Seriously! Seriously!

Excuse after excuse. Limbaugh and his sheep have done this for years! And yet the government continues to grow.

There has only been one absolute for the past several decades when it comes to the GOP and the conservative base…GOP betrayal of them.

The GOP will betray you

True_King on August 2, 2011 at 2:43 AM

Which Tea Party freshmen specifically had this grand notion that we would somehow get a better bill?

youngTXcon on August 2, 2011 at 2:08 AM

I don’t recall but I seem to recall there were at least a couple.

FloatingRock on August 2, 2011 at 2:40 AM

It sounds like that was their particular strategy, then. The Republican Party has never struck me as being particularly gifted in that area, and it doesn’t help that they are all on different pages when it comes to strategy. It is far easier for the Democrats to plan their maneuvers because they mostly march in lock-step (you’re usually punished if you don’t) and the playbook rarely fails despite being tired and cliched. They have another advantage in that the Republicans try to make well-reasoned arguments, and it’s far easier to demagogue in 30-sec. soundbites than it is to present ideas.

youngTXcon on August 2, 2011 at 2:46 AM

youngTXcon on August 2, 2011 at 1:49 AM

Oh for goodness sakes. This is absolute crap!

How many freaking times will they have to betray you before you wake the **** up? Seriously! Seriously!

Excuse after excuse. Limbaugh and his sheep have done this for years! And yet the government continues to grow.

There has only been one absolute for the past several decades when it comes to the GOP and the conservative base…GOP betrayal of them.

The GOP will betray you

True_King on August 2, 2011 at 2:43 AM

Well, I certainly don’t think our politicians will ever do what is necessary to solve the looming debt catastrophe because they lack political will and fear losing their seats. But a majority of the American Idol crowd are frightened as well. Entitlement reform is vital, yet even some of our most conservative politicians dare not speak of it because it angers senior citizens. Shuttering departments is also a good idea (though only a help, not a solution), but how many citizens realistically want to cut spending by 40% when push comes to shove? We all have our little pet projects we want to keep at the expense of other things, and it’s why there is no way out of this debt spiral regardless of what current solution you choose. So there is a lack of will on behalf of our politicians but also by our fellow citizens– which makes it more than just a Republican problem.

youngTXcon on August 2, 2011 at 2:54 AM

youngTXcon on August 2, 2011 at 2:08 AM

There’s another important fact you’re leaving out, too. Many of these “tea party” freshmen claimed that, although they weren’t voting the way they promised their constituents, they were applying their better judgment. They were claiming superior knowledge as justification for breaking their promises.

Then later the same day we found out they were totally wrong and had actually backed a sham bill that even the CBO, which uses sham accounting as has been discussed in recent days, admitted that it was a sham.

So much for their “better judgment”. All it was was a pathetic attempt at an excuse.

Unfortunately, the fact is that the establishment has gotten to many of the “tea party” freshmen just as pretty much everybody feared would happen. Just like that’s what always happens.

But now the government is so corrupt they don’t even try to hide it, though some refuse to see.

FloatingRock on August 2, 2011 at 2:57 AM

youngTXcon on August 2, 2011 at 2:25 AM

Well just have to disagree, because you argue for unaccountable government, which I cannot abide.

FloatingRock on August 2, 2011 at 3:00 AM

If DeMint is the future of the Republican party, we are in trouble. He is a self-serving, egotistical, arrogant ass.

bopbottle on August 2, 2011 at 3:07 AM

If that were true he wouldn’t be so popular.

…Well, unless he was so dang awesome that it was worth overlooking his personal foibles.

FloatingRock on August 2, 2011 at 3:11 AM

DEMINT IS AWESOMENESS!

HondaV65 on August 2, 2011 at 5:56 AM

If I had to use only one word to describe this comment thread, it’d almost certainly have to be “petulant.” Some of you sound like the children over at Daily Kos.

I’m not going to hold anyone’s vote on this against them until such time as conservatives hold control of both houses of congress, because until then, there’s will be an absolute limit to how good a deal you can get in legislation.

Stop whining about West, et al., and start thinking about the next election cycle. There are actual foes to be beaten.

Russ on August 2, 2011 at 6:06 AM

hold control of both houses of congress

Shouldn’t we wait until we hold the presidency as well? Yipes forgot about the Supreme Court. Can’t act until we have all the handles of government, that would be petulant…or something.

Hongqi on August 2, 2011 at 6:16 AM

Lugar’s “statesmanship” is a mask he wears to hide his arrogance. He’s well past his freshness date, doesn’t give a rat’s a$$ about the electorate and needs to go. My congresscum, Donnelly, thinks he’ll be the Democrat challenger and thinks he has a shot because Indiana went for Obaka in 2008 (gullible idiots) or something. He’s a rank Obama-fluffer and will find Duh Won has no coattails in Hoosierland in 2012.

Extrafishy on August 2, 2011 at 6:38 AM

I’ve tried emailing some of these people but they won’t accept emails outside of their districts.

Here is what I have a hard time understanding….

OK, so the Pubs had to “do something.” Couldn’t there have been a hundred other things they could’ve done besides this monstrosity? They could’ve just raised the debt ceiling a trillion or more. They could’ve given us some more taxes. They could’ve done this a hundred different ways but instead… instead… this is what they came up with?
Not just a debt ceiling raise.. but the largest debt ceiling raised in US history? Not just hand over money to Obama.. but create a new super committee that dictates to congress? That removes power out of their hands? This is what they had to do? Gut our military? End the Bush tax credits after just voting to extend them last year?

And then, we are actually being told by the GOP leadership to love this? That they had no other choice?

CCB was all a farce! We were being played when they originally passed CCB! They did that with the full knowledge and intentions they would not fight for it! They passed CCB knowing they had no intention of making that law.. that was to placate us! This is what they intended to pass all along!

Boehner and McConnell need to go! They are sleeping with the Democrats! Screw them! Don’t tell me I have to manage my expectations or whatever, as Allen West said! This is ridiculous!

They could’ve passed a hundred different things instead of this! They are working side by side with the Democrats! This was McConnell idea from the very beginning! They are screwing us over every way they can!

JellyToast on August 2, 2011 at 6:45 AM

Right now getting rid of McConnell and Boehner is as important to me as seeing Obama defeated in 2012!

They are both one and the same goals!

JellyToast on August 2, 2011 at 6:52 AM

I hope this is not true. It would be self destructive and counter productive for DeMint to back primary challenges to other Republicans because he disagreed with a vote they made.

If he does, it will only help the Democrats and that will not exactly help reign in spending either. The last time DeMint backed a primary challenge we ended up with a candidate that lost to the Democrat by 17 points.

The truth is this bill was a victory for Republicans. Guys like DeMint might not see it that way, but then again he is the same guy who said he would rather see 30 true conservatives in the Senate than a majority of Republicans who did not live up to his standards. I am sure Barack Obama would agree with that statement.

Terrye on August 2, 2011 at 6:55 AM

I hope this is not true. It would be self destructive and counter productive for DeMint to back primary challenges to other Republicans because he disagreed with a vote they made.

The truth is this bill was a victory for Republicans. Guys like DeMint might not see it that way, but then again he is the same guy who said he would rather see 30 true conservatives in the Senate than a majority of Republicans who did not live up to his standards.

30 Republicans would do more than a majority of cowardly RINO’s any day of the week!

JellyToast on August 2, 2011 at 7:00 AM

Exit question: Will the reaction to Jim Jordan in last week’s House caucus meeting affect DeMint’s calculus on this? Republicans were afraid to confront tea-party heroes last year during the big red wave, but after Joe Miller, Sharron Angle, and Christine O’Donnell lost, there may be less patience this time for primaries that risk fumbling a seat away to the Democrats.
Exactly.

We’ve got a good chance to take the Senate next year. I don’t want DeMint and his parade of losers coming along to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. Keep your CODs / Angles to yourself, Jimbo. Or better yet, just start looking for YOUR replacement.

Vyce on August 1, 2011 at 9:47 PM

The exit question is easy- the answer is no. Those in favor of primaries against Rhino’s (as expressed in comments and implied by Allah’s giddyness over his blog post) see no difference in “fumbling” the seat to a dem and having a RINO win the seat. This claim by RINOs will discourage no one.

beselfish on August 2, 2011 at 7:06 AM

It is not seeking perfection to ask that someone honor the words they ran on. If you say you are going to DC to ‘stop the spending’ then that is what you will do, is it not? Suppport a thrifty government that does not go beyond its means? To only spend what it takes in? Do not spend more than you have, stop that spending and you can begin to address the debt and its drag on the Nation.

The simple button I picked up decades ago still has it right.

HONOR

Do As You Say.

Say What You Mean.

Mean What You Do.

I may not like the stand of some political opponents, yes, but they have not decayed to the point where their support of what they say is gone. They go in a horrific direction for the Nation in support of things that I see as destructive to it, but they tell you what they want flat-out, without equivocation and you know where they stand.

That is GOOD.

Those who run saying anything to get themselves elected and then contradict their words have no HONOR in what they say because they will not stick to their principles through thick and thin. Say what you will about the spendaholic authoritarians, they are blunt about what they want and it is horrific, but you know where they stand and what they will do. They are dependable and when they reach out to ‘help’ you make sure that you know what their goals are as they have told them to you.

When I see those who flip-flop for political expediency, I see those on a quest for power via any means possible. They are duplicitous, deceitful, and have no good in their heart for the Nation. These have gotten a term in the 20th century: Moderates. Unwilling to take a stand their great solution is to concentrate power as that brings them attention, money, and power. They get to disburse from the public’s treasury to their own ends. Earmarks are a tiny part of any budget, yes, but those putting them in don’t give a damn for the Nation and seek to sequester power with factions for themselves via that public treasury. That is why they should be an abomination to those who support small and frugal government: it is the tool of the petty tyrant to gain power via public means.

These Moderates also bend to the winds, so as to avoid accountability. They will spend freely one day, earmark the next, point to waste in government the day after that, and then claim to be fiscally responsible after that. Because they do all those things they cannot hold any position on any of those topics and be believed.

You cannot get to a small and conservative government without holding these Moderates to account for their ways. Not just in one party, but both. The Democrats have been weeding them out to replace them with staunch Leftists for the past few election cycles… yet they are no longer building force in the Nation because their ways are known and their ends now upon us. Those wishing to cut back on spending and get a fiscally responsible government are gaining traction, and hard, as ideological leftists are having their attempts to make anything close to their dream collapse in bad math before our eyes. The Moderates want to stand between these two places.

Yet they can’t.

As in 1776 the Nation started divided… 15% Loyalists, 15% Patriots and 70% just wanted the problem to go away. By the end of the conflict there would be no division left save for the the living and the 10% dead and the 15% fled to other Crown Colonies. A new Nation born in debt, its first government failed and needed to be replaced. Success in one venue did not garner success in the other the first time around. Now we run into the same problem between those wanting an authoritarian government and those wishing to be free and the mass in between just wanting the pain to stop. One side is promising chains… the other hard work for yourself to make a better life.

Stopping the spending is on a road out, not a road deeper in.

When you go back on your word you no longer wish to be on the road to freedom where one’s liberty sustains them and society by their own hand. There is a time fast approaching where you cannot be Moderate any longer. The mealy-mouthed ones mean you no good, only seek to uphold their grasp on power. By default they are not a friend of liberty nor freedom for individuals.

If you want a way out of this mess, then stopping the spending above and beyond what is taken in isn’t a talking point, it isn’t a bit of political pablum to win office, but a way to live one’s life and the expectation that our government should reflect common and good sense not to spend us to bankruptcy as a Nation. As a people. There is no in-between on that, no saying one thing and then voting another, no ‘do it for the party’ as that is what got us into this mess of putting party power and petty political power over the good for all citizens, equally.

History is awash in the examples of Empires, Kingdoms, and, yes, even Republics that have forgotten the role of government and tried to make government into the thing to do everything. The end of that road is certain. How about we try something different to show how you can avoid this fate? Wouldn’t it be nice if people said they supported that concept? And that they meant it? And were willing to sacrifice to get such a better place for themselves and their fellow man in society?

Find someone who you can agree with before you vote.

And then ask yourself if you think they will honor what they say. If not, then move on to someone a bit less electable but who has demonstrated they can and will suffer the agony of good principles and reason because you get to a better place for doing so, no matter how painful the process is. It isn’t about purity, it is about trusting what those we elect say. Right now, they don’t have that. And that MUST change.

ajacksonian on August 2, 2011 at 7:08 AM

Exit question: Will the reaction to Jim Jordan in last week’s House caucus meeting affect DeMint’s calculus on this? Republicans were afraid to confront tea-party heroes last year during the big red wave, but after Joe Miller, Sharron Angle, and Christine O’Donnell lost, there may be less patience this time for primaries that risk fumbling a seat away to the Democrats.
Exactly.

We’ve got a good chance to take the Senate next year. I don’t want DeMint and his parade of losers coming along to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. Keep your CODs / Angles to yourself, Jimbo. Or better yet, just start looking for YOUR replacement.

Vyce on August 1, 2011 at 9:47 PM

“We’ve got a good chance to take the Senate next year.”

And do WHAT with it? The RINO-filth you so disgustingly love will always unconditionally surrender to the Democrats at any and every opportunity. Like West, they will cravenly abandon their so-called “principles” and “honor” to stuff their fat, evil faces with pork while leaving the military and America’s children behind on the battlefield of a deliberately impoverished future.

ebrown2 on August 2, 2011 at 7:31 AM

I may not like the stand of some political opponents, yes, but they have not decayed to the point where their support of what they say is gone. They go in a horrific direction for the Nation in support of things that I see as destructive to it, but they tell you what they want flat-out, without equivocation and you know where they stand.

That is GOOD.

Those who run saying anything to get themselves elected and then contradict their words have no HONOR in what they say because they will not stick to their principles through thick and thin. Say what you will about the spendaholic authoritarians, they are blunt about what they want and it is horrific, but you know where they stand and what they will do. They are dependable and when they reach out to ‘help’ you make sure that you know what their goals are as they have told them to you.

ajacksonian on August 2, 2011 at 7:08 AM

So true, it is disgusting to see Bernie Saunders act like more of a man than West & Co.

ebrown2 on August 2, 2011 at 7:38 AM

Here is what I have a hard time understanding….

OK, so the Pubs had to “do something.” Couldn’t there have been a hundred other things they could’ve done besides this monstrosity? They could’ve just raised the debt ceiling a trillion or more. They could’ve given us some more taxes. They could’ve done this a hundred different ways but instead… instead… this is what they came up with?
Not just a debt ceiling raise.. but the largest debt ceiling raised in US history? Not just hand over money to Obama.. but create a new super committee that dictates to congress? That removes power out of their hands? This is what they had to do? Gut our military? End the Bush tax credits after just voting to extend them last year?

And then, we are actually being told by the GOP leadership to love this? That they had no other choice?

CCB was all a farce! We were being played when they originally passed CCB! They did that with the full knowledge and intentions they would not fight for it! They passed CCB knowing they had no intention of making that law.. that was to placate us! This is what they intended to pass all along!

Boehner and McConnell need to go! They are sleeping with the Democrats! Screw them! Don’t tell me I have to manage my expectations or whatever, as Allen West said! This is ridiculous!

They could’ve passed a hundred different things instead of this! They are working side by side with the Democrats! This was McConnell idea from the very beginning! They are screwing us over every way they can!

JellyToast on August 2, 2011 at 6:45 AM

I agree 100% We citizens have to hold our government accountable. And to those of you who either want to sit on your hands or don’t care at all, don’t worry; there are many of us who will do the heavy lifting for you. You can thank us later.

Amjean on August 2, 2011 at 7:50 AM

All you ‘let’s just move on to 2012′ people need to sit up and take note –

Irreparable damage will set in at some point.

It is probably already too late to save the country.

The GOP had an opportunity to stand up for the USA and they caved.

fossten on August 2, 2011 at 7:57 AM

We’ve got a good chance to take the Senate next year. I don’t want DeMint and his parade of losers coming along to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. Keep your CODs / Angles to yourself, Jimbo. Or better yet, just start looking for YOUR replacement.

Vyce on August 1, 2011 at 9:47 PM

May I remind … YOU HAD a GOP President, a GOP Senate, and a GOP House for six years which did nothing but run up the debt.

Electing RINO’s and establishment GOP types will do … NOTHING.

You want to save this nation … you have to whip a political party into shape. The RINO’s cry – but they will be beaten into submission.

HondaV65 on August 2, 2011 at 7:58 AM

but after Joe Miller, Sharron Angle, and Christine O’Donnell lost, there may be less patience this time for primaries that risk fumbling a seat away to the Democrats.

I guess batting about .875% with a few strikeouts here and there, is reason to trade the player? You conveniently ignored what they won.are you following the NYT approved methodology?

Don L on August 2, 2011 at 7:59 AM

When someone acts in a condescending way to the voters who worked tirelessly and voted him into office, he should be
replaced. That arrogance and disregard for the voters is what got this country into the mess we are in now.

Amjean on August 1, 2011 at 11:09 PM

He wasn’t being condescending, but if you want to be insulted you will I guess.

whbates on August 2, 2011 at 12:14 AM
You obviously wouldn’t know “condescending” unless it bit you in the butt.

Amjean on August 2, 2011 at 8:00 AM

The Balkaniztion of these so called United States is inevitable. Happens to most empires, so it is nothing to fear.

ClassicCon on August 2, 2011 at 12:39 AM

What happens to most empires is precisely what to fear. The Islamization of once Great Britain has all but destroyed it. A person can’t go into certain areas of Paris because they are controlled by “youth” whom one dare not identify. A vacuum wants to be filled, and we all know who has unabashedly stated they want to rule the world. Protecting you and yours from Sharia will be all but impossible–****ing the rest of the country will doom you.

DrMagnolias on August 2, 2011 at 8:04 AM

May I remind … YOU HAD a GOP President, a GOP Senate, and a GOP House for six years which did nothing but run up the debt.

Electing RINO’s and establishment GOP types will do … NOTHING.

You want to save this nation … you have to whip a political party into shape. The RINO’s cry – but they will be beaten into submission.

HondaV65 on August 2, 2011 at 7:58 AM
Yes! Yes! Yes!

Amjean on August 2, 2011 at 8:05 AM

May I remind … YOU HAD a GOP President, a GOP Senate, and a GOP House for six years which did nothing but run up the debt.

Electing RINO’s and establishment GOP types will do … NOTHING.

You want to save this nation … you have to whip a political party into shape. The RINO’s cry – but they will be beaten into submission.

HondaV65 on August 2, 2011 at 7:58 AM

It’s Third Party time.

fossten on August 2, 2011 at 8:09 AM

The Balkaniztion of these so called United States is inevitable. Happens to most empires, so it is nothing to fear.

ClassicCon on August 2, 2011 at 12:39 AM

The rank willful historical stupidity (it goes far beyond ignorance) behind that statement is astounding. Do you have ANY IDEA of the horrific destruction of civil society and political economy that entails?

ebrown2 on August 2, 2011 at 8:12 AM

Way back when George W Bush was calling volunteer border watchers “vigilantes” and refusing to follow his oath to enforce this nations laws, I called for his impeachment (thinking taking the papers out would be enough to send him the message.I was excoriated, we didn’t and he accelerated his liberal tendencies. Bush expanded big government (no child -presription drugs etc)and overspent, yet few conservatives really got on his case. “He’s our guy” etc.
And now I hear the same old stuff from the moderates.RINOs “can’t expect everything all at once” crowd, who tells us not to primary anyone who acts against solid principle because, “it’s the best we can do for now.” Well, can anyone deny that doing only “the best we can do for now” is precisely what got us into this mess, and repeating our failure is but the definition of insanity?
It is not the Dems who are beating us -it is our “don’t take any risk,” selves that are to blame.

Don L on August 2, 2011 at 8:14 AM

Don L on August 2, 2011 at 8:14 AM

The ‘best we can do right now’ will only get worse and worse as circumstances get worse and worse.

It’s going to take radical change, like ripping off a bandaid, to fix/save this country.

fossten on August 2, 2011 at 8:24 AM

This is insanity. Paul Ryan?

MaggiePoo on August 2, 2011 at 8:25 AM

If they vote yes, get rid of them…I don’t care who they are…

PatriotRider on August 2, 2011 at 8:26 AM

My inner terrorist is crabby this morning…

PatriotRider on August 2, 2011 at 8:26 AM

Oh yeah! RINO Purge 2012!!!

Romney!

Brown!

Snowe!

Graham!

and, of course…………….McCAIN!!!!!!!

Let the hunt begin!

pilamaye on August 2, 2011 at 8:32 AM

The exit question is easy- the answer is no. Those in favor of primaries against Rhino’s (as expressed in comments and implied by Allah’s giddyness over his blog post) see no difference in “fumbling” the seat to a dem and having a RINO win the seat. This claim by RINOs will discourage no one.

beselfish on August 2, 2011 at 7:06 AM

Anyone who thinks that there is “no difference” between Democrats and “RINOs” has a rather skewed perspective.

Most of you seem to define moderate Republicans – those who have a more moderate perspective on some issues, i.e. someone who doesn’t vote in lockstep with the hardcore conservative wing of the party – as a filthy “RINO” who deserves to get purged. If you can’t see the difference between such an individual, and the modern-day equivalent of the Democrat party (which has grown increasingly European socialist in the past 10 years alone), I don’t know what to do for you. You’ll just keep right on attempting to purge the moderates from your midst, and wind up a more ideological pure minority party. Which perhaps is what some of you want, given how enamored some of you seem to be with martyrdom.

Vyce on August 2, 2011 at 8:39 AM

Ya know, Tom Coburn is my senator, and I have staunchly defended him here on Hot Air. However, I am tired of him playing the diplomat and screwing me. I need him to play the soldier and protect me. His foundation as a doctor is to “first do no harm”. He keeps forgetting that.

Old Country Boy on August 2, 2011 at 8:48 AM

Anyone who thinks that there is “no difference” between Democrats and “RINOs” has a rather skewed perspective.

Most of you seem to define moderate Republicans – those who have a more moderate perspective on some issues, i.e. someone who doesn’t vote in lockstep with the hardcore conservative wing of the party – as a filthy “RINO” who deserves to get purged. If you can’t see the difference between such an individual, and the modern-day equivalent of the Democrat party (which has grown increasingly European socialist in the past 10 years alone), I don’t know what to do for you. You’ll just keep right on attempting to purge the moderates from your midst, and wind up a more ideological pure minority party. Which perhaps is what some of you want, given how enamored some of you seem to be with martyrdom.

Vyce on August 2, 2011 at 8:39 AM

Because compromising and working with moderate Repubs has worked well so far, right? The RINOs can cry all they want, but more and more people are getting pi$$ed at this nonsense and have had enough.

If and when our country turns back to the right and heads that direction for a decade or two, then I’ll entertain voting for moderates, but not until then. As it stands now, I will not vote for the lesser of two evils ever again, ever.

j_galt on August 2, 2011 at 8:50 AM

Don L on August 2, 2011 at 7:59 AM

And, I’d like to add the RNC and its offshoots acted like the President and Congress in picking and choosing winners and losers in their own party. They and their minions attacked, attacked and cut funding to Republican primary winners.

This morning, I’m as crabby as a hobbit who’s missed second breakfast.

Fallon on August 2, 2011 at 8:52 AM

May I remind … YOU HAD a GOP President, a GOP Senate, and a GOP House for six years which did nothing but run up the debt.

Electing RINO’s and establishment GOP types will do … NOTHING.

You want to save this nation … you have to whip a political party into shape. The RINO’s cry – but they will be beaten into submission.

HondaV65 on August 2, 2011 at 7:58 AM

Yes. Please remind the RINO lovers of this fact every hour.

j_galt on August 2, 2011 at 8:52 AM

This morning, I’m as crabby as a hobbit who’s missed second breakfast.

Fallon on August 2, 2011 at 8:52 AM

What about elevensies?

fossten on August 2, 2011 at 8:59 AM

West knew his vote wouldn’t sit well w/ his constituents-but in his judgement this was best option on the table.

annoyinglittletwerp on August 1, 2011 at 11:48 PM

YOu must be a big fan of McVain and Grahamest. That is their excuse, always.

West has turned out to be a massive dissappointment. First Pigford, now a record smashing Debt Ceiling increase. Talks like a tea partier, votes like a RINO. Primary him.

james23 on August 2, 2011 at 9:00 AM

This is insanity. Paul Ryan?

MaggiePoo on August 2, 2011 at 8:25 AM

Ryan voted for TARP, the auto bailouts and now the largest debt increase in history. These are facts. His reputation is way out of line with his voting record. I hope he gets primaried.

james23 on August 2, 2011 at 9:02 AM

Anyone who thinks that there is “no difference” between Democrats and “RINOs” has a rather skewed perspective.

Most of you seem to define moderate Republicans – those who have a more moderate perspective on some issues, i.e. someone who doesn’t vote in lockstep with the hardcore conservative wing of the party – as a filthy “RINO” who deserves to get purged. If you can’t see the difference between such an individual, and the modern-day equivalent of the Democrat party (which has grown increasingly European socialist in the past 10 years alone), I don’t know what to do for you. You’ll just keep right on attempting to purge the moderates from your midst, and wind up a more ideological pure minority party. Which perhaps is what some of you want, given how enamored some of you seem to be with martyrdom.

Vyce on August 2, 2011 at 8:39 AM

The fatal flaw in your thinking is that you don’t consider who the leadership is.

If we don’t purge the greybeard RINOs, they will control the party.

You have to get the new blood in CONTROL.

Otherwise they’re just tools for winning elections so the RINOs can have the chairmanships and continue to cave to the Democrats.

In other words, you need Bachmann as Speaker, etc. etc. Otherwise you lose.

fossten on August 2, 2011 at 9:02 AM

West knew his vote wouldn’t sit well w/ his constituents-but in his judgement this was best option on the table.

annoyinglittletwerp on August 1, 2011 at 11:48 PM

What a copout.

The ‘best we can do right now’ will only get worse and worse as circumstances get worse and worse.

fossten on August 2, 2011 at 9:03 AM

Anyone who thinks that there is “no difference” between Democrats and “RINOs” has a rather skewed perspective.

Most of you seem to define moderate Republicans – those who have a more moderate perspective on some issues, i.e. someone who doesn’t vote in lockstep with the hardcore conservative wing of the party – as a filthy “RINO” who deserves to get purged. If you can’t see the difference between such an individual, and the modern-day equivalent of the Democrat party (which has grown increasingly European socialist in the past 10 years alone), I don’t know what to do for you. You’ll just keep right on attempting to purge the moderates from your midst, and wind up a more ideological pure minority party. Which perhaps is what some of you want, given how enamored some of you seem to be with martyrdom.

Vyce on August 2, 2011 at 8:39 AM

You had RINO control under Bush.

What happened? Massive spending.

We have a record of results on what you want. Why are we supposed to go through that again?

The GOP will betray you

True_King on August 2, 2011 at 9:05 AM

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