Source: DeMint might back primary challenges against Republicans who supported deal

posted at 9:22 pm on August 1, 2011 by Allahpundit

DeMint himself told Politico not three hours ago that he won’t support primary challenges against incumbents, a position he’s held for months, so presumably this is just a shot across the bow from someone on his team trying to keep centrist Republicans in check.

But since I know roughly 98 percent of the HA faithful feel about this deal the way they’d feel chewing on broken glass, here’s a little something to brighten your evening. RINO Purge 2012?

DeMint had promised after last year’s election that he would not endorse any opponents to his fellow GOP lawmakers in the 2012 cycle. But now he is angry enough with the debt-ceiling compromise that Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) and House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) struck with President Obama that he might back serious challengers to Republican senators who support the plan, according to a source close to the senator.

“He’s already opened the door to changing that policy in terms of supporting people in primaries — this deal could bring him to the point where he says he’s not going to make any guarantees,” said the source, who asked not to be identified because of the sensitive nature of intraparty relations. “It’s not a threat that he’s going to oppose anybody, but … if he does, nobody should be surprised.”

There are eight Republican senators running for reelection next year, among them Dick Lugar, Scott Brown, Olympia Snowe, Bob Corker, and Orrin Hatch. The first three are all voting yes tomorrow; we’ll see about the latter two. Of the five of them, Hatch is obviously the easiest/least risky to primary given that the Republican nominee will surely win the seat while Brown, of course, is the most risky. If DeMint’s going to make a mark it would be by boosting challengers to the other three. Presumably he’ll focus only on Senate races, too, although watching his PAC go after Allen West and Paul Ryan for their heresy on the debt-ceiling vote would be pure blog magic. Exit question: Will the reaction to Jim Jordan in last week’s House caucus meeting affect DeMint’s calculus on this? Republicans were afraid to confront tea-party heroes last year during the big red wave, but after Joe Miller, Sharron Angle, and Christine O’Donnell lost, there may be less patience this time for primaries that risk fumbling a seat away to the Democrats. Especially since Democrats have a lot more to lose next year than we do.

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Democrats. Especially since Democrats have a lot more to lose next year than we do.

What do you mean “we” you candy-@ss chamberlainesque establishment rino?

Kidding aside, the whole idea of a “we” with the likes of the Maine twits twins and Boehner and all the other wankers who gave it to us real good today is just silly.

Aquateen Hungerforce on August 1, 2011 at 10:14 PM

Let’s bring it back a bit. The term RINO should never apply to people like Mike Pence and Paul Ryan

TheQuestion on August 1, 2011 at 10:12 PM

Litmus test! Did they vote for this bill? RIIIIIIIIINO!They must pay! We must get rid of them!

Vince on August 1, 2011 at 10:15 PM

Let’s bring it back a bit. The term RINO should never apply to people like Mike Pence and Paul Ryan

TheQuestion on August 1, 2011 at 10:12 PM

Why not? They’re traitors! We only need 100% pure candidates so that we can be a noisy minoroty party from now until we become a Chinese colony.

Good Solid B-Plus on August 1, 2011 at 10:15 PM

Jeff Flake Sarah Palin needs to run for Senator in AZPresident.

FIFY

TheQuestion on August 1, 2011 at 10:10 PM

FIFY

miConsevative on August 1, 2011 at 10:16 PM

I just looked it up on Wikipedia for you RINOhunters

GOP Senators up for Re-election
Richard Lugar
Olympia Snowe
Bob Corker
Roger Wicker
Scott Brown
Orrin Hatch
John Barrasso

TheQuestion on August 1, 2011 at 10:16 PM

I’ve heard that Jason Chaffetz might run against Hatch. I’ve got a check with his name on it if he does. He’s one of the original 22 that voted no. Those are the real heroes. The ones that voted no this time had enough cover from Dems voting yes. They don’t count in my book.

Ted Cruz is running for Senate for KBH’s old seat and DeMint and Rand Paul have already given him the thumb’s up.

TxAnn56 on August 1, 2011 at 10:17 PM

Great. Just heard on Greta that we have have a CR that expires September 30 with no budget after that and the House has just adjourned for a 5 week vacation.

And Lindsey Graham just complimented the Tea Party.

What the hell is going on?

miConsevative on August 1, 2011 at 10:08 PM

The House Republicans passed their FY 2012 budget in April but the Senate Democrats have not passed theirs, meaning reconciliation could not occur. FY 2011 ends on September 31st, so they will either craft another CR or use reconciliation with the unpassed (but drafted) Senate budget.

youngTXcon on August 1, 2011 at 10:17 PM

Let’s bring it back a bit. The term RINO should never apply to people like Mike Pence and Paul Ryan

TheQuestion on August 1, 2011 at 10:12 PM

Agreed. But we can say they make the wrong choice from time to time.

miConsevative on August 1, 2011 at 10:18 PM

Also, if you go back in time, you’ll find some bad votes or ones with which you strongly disagree from every member of Congress. In my opinion, the issue should more be whether the good out-ways the bad and how often they vote for absolute conservative principles. If that’s not the metric, then every member of Congress deserves to be primaried.

youngTXcon on August 1, 2011 at 10:14 PM

The problem is when they decide to leave conservative principles it is generally for things like obamacare like Snowe did to get it out of committee. Or how about when they vote for Kagan or Sotomayor? Or how about McCain pushing Amnesty a few years back? It is not that they will sometimes vote the other way it is that they always seem to do so on big money entitlements!

bluemarlin on August 1, 2011 at 10:19 PM

Why not? They’re traitors! We only need 100% pure candidates so that we can be a noisy minoroty party from now until we become a Chinese colony.

Seriously, they must vote with us 100% of the time? 99% doesn’t mean anything to you? stop being unrealistic.
Emotions come and go. You will probably think differently in a few months when you see that this bill is not as bad as everyone on this website says it is and you have had time to clear your head from negative emotions.

TheQuestion on August 1, 2011 at 10:19 PM

Depends on when you want to accept RINO’ism.

Renaming a post office or capping the congressional dining room budget, RINO away. Signing your name on a disastrous bill that does nothing to keep America from falling over the cliff, no RINO.

Bishop on August 1, 2011 at 10:19 PM

Wait! Did he vote for this bill?

Vince on August 1, 2011 at 10:11 PM

He’s not one of the 22, but the link below was from right after that vote on Boehner’s sham bill a few days ago and maybe there was an update…

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/273195/gang-22-andrew-stiles

FloatingRock on August 1, 2011 at 10:20 PM

He voted for Boehner’s bill

youngTXcon on August 1, 2011 at 10:14 PM

Well, it’s up to the people who live in his district, of course, but if I were among them I would be looking for a primary opponent. I’ll be doing the same here.

FloatingRock on August 1, 2011 at 10:22 PM

You will probably think differently in a few months when you see that this bill is not as bad as everyone on this website says it is and you have had time to clear your head from negative emotions.

TheQuestion on August 1, 2011 at 10:19 PM

Do you realize that defense spending accounts for 20% of total federal spending, but if this super committee fails (and when do committees ever work in DC) 50% of the across the board $1.2 trillion cuts come from defense?

Tell me this isn’t as bad as I think?

miConsevative on August 1, 2011 at 10:22 PM

Allen West is on Greta now apprising of us of how much we gained with this bill. While I’m not ready to call him a RINO, he’s definitely fallen from his conservative pedastal.

TxAnn56 on August 1, 2011 at 10:23 PM

Great. Just heard on Greta that we have have a CR that expires September 30 with no budget after that and the House has just adjourned for a 5 week vacation.

miConsevative on August 1, 2011 at 10:08 PM

What’s going on is that the RINO’s are trying to convince people to set their sights on the next big battle, so that you’ll be primed for the big fight and you’ll feel better then. Forget about their betrayal here, today, and think about the next big fight.

Left unmentioned is the fact that Boehner and his corrupt gang of RINO’s will capitulate on the budget fight even faster than they did on this one.

FloatingRock on August 1, 2011 at 10:26 PM

I can get behind a Senate purge.

Dr Evil on August 1, 2011 at 10:26 PM

Palin’s on Greta now.

miConsevative on August 1, 2011 at 10:27 PM

Though my congressman-Randy Neugebauer-voted for this thing-he’s still far better than my Illinois congress-thing(we all know who THAT was)
I’ve met Neugebauer and he crosses me as a nice, principled conservative. I doubt he’ll be getting a primary challenge-but if he does-I’ll still probably vote for RN.
When we lived in Chicago I was a BIG TIME Tea Party activist-but Texas is different. Lubbock Co. is the state’s most conservative county. A 3rd party vote-of any kind-in the general election has the potential to give Zero a second term-which I’m unwilling to do. Unless the local/national GOP candidates are Ronulan/Mark Smirk types or birthers I’ll be voting straight ticket GOP.

annoyinglittletwerp on August 1, 2011 at 10:27 PM

The RINO wing has spoken. If nothing else, this debt crisis has flushed out who the true RINOs are so we can get rid of them next year.

Sporty1946 on August 1, 2011 at 10:07 PM

Actually, to be a RINO, I’d have to be a Republican. I’m not.

I’m a Libertarian independent. That’s “big L” Libertarian, not this faux-libertarian horsesh!t that so many of you Tea Partiers like to pass yourselves off as.

But Republicans are the best best of advancing libertarian principles and ideas, so for people like me, that means Republicans need to take back control of government. Jim Demint’s “better 30 Rubios…” strategy is a surefire way of creating a permanent Democrat majority.

Vyce on August 1, 2011 at 10:27 PM

West was on Fox….he goes home to do town hall meetings….I’d love to be at those to listen to the people who voted him in give him the same education they gave the last group of repubs who forgot who the boss is.

csdeven on August 1, 2011 at 10:28 PM

annoyinglittletwerp on August 1, 2011 at 10:27 PM

Sorry-I’ve got some ‘doctored’ Starbucks here. Remember kids: Don’t drink and blog. ///

annoyinglittletwerp on August 1, 2011 at 10:29 PM

Let’s bring it back a bit. The term RINO should never apply to people like Mike Pence and Paul Ryan

TheQuestion on August 1, 2011 at 10:12 PM

Agreed. But we can say they make the wrong choice from time to time.

miConsevative on August 1, 2011 at 10:18 PM

Both men made good arguments as to why they feel they are bringing-about a reduction in the size of government, especially compared to what they’ve seen in their time in government. Now, we can argue over whether that’s wrong or not, but I (for one) do not believe that’s a primarying offense.

This leads me into another point– the conservative movement is in a state of civil war because everyone draws that line of true conservatism at a different place (but still on the conservative spectrum) and we vary over tactics. So (regarding that first point) a libertarian conservative may feel outraged by something a conservative may not, and vice versa. We also disagree on how fast we can turn-back the tide of the socialist movement and how the aforementioned is to be done. I am not sure such quarrels will be resolved.

youngTXcon on August 1, 2011 at 10:31 PM

A $17 trillion dollar deficit isn’t that bad, it could have been $18 trillion.

See, I just saved everyone a trillion bucks with that example. Don’t you feel better?

Bishop on August 1, 2011 at 10:32 PM

Palin’s on Greta now.

miConsevative on August 1, 2011 at 10:27 PM

Did she cut her hair? I can’t tell.

TxAnn56 on August 1, 2011 at 10:33 PM

But Republicans are the best best of advancing libertarian principles and ideas, so for people like me, that means Republicans need to take back control of government. Jim Demint’s “better 30 Rubios…” strategy is a surefire way of creating a permanent Democrat majority.

Vyce on August 1, 2011 at 10:27 PM

How many times do you have to be hit on the head before you finally get it? RINO = Democrat when it comes to the big issues. Oh sure, Scotty Brown votes 50% with the GOP. Except the 50% is for shit that doesn’t matter like naming post offices. The 50% that does matter – like this garbage of a debt deal – he will ALWAYS vote with the Dems.

So yes 30 Rubios > 40 Scott Browns. Because in the end the extra 10 RINOs will vote the same way as the extra 10 Dems.

angryed on August 1, 2011 at 10:33 PM

Did she cut her hair? I can’t tell.

TxAnn56 on August 1, 2011 at 10:33 PM

No clue. But it’s definitely not her ‘prom hair’ as Bristol would call it.

miConsevative on August 1, 2011 at 10:34 PM

A $17 trillion dollar deficit isn’t that bad, it could have been $18 trillion.

See, I just saved everyone a trillion bucks with that example. Don’t you feel better?

Bishop on August 1, 2011 at 10:32 PM

Do I get a toy with that crap sandwich, if so, yes I feel better now, thanks!/

bluemarlin on August 1, 2011 at 10:34 PM

That wasn’t precisely what I meant. Instead of using our time, money, and energy to get rid of Orrin Hatch, wouldn’t it be better used to get rid of Bill Nelson? Instead of Corker, how about Debbie Stabenow?

Based on voting records and the states they come from, I think only Dick Lugar can be cleanly primaried. Brown and Snowe are untouchable, and would only serve to replace them with Democrats – which would set us back.

KingGold on August 1, 2011 at 9:59 PM

Frankly, after watching Michigan turn blood red in 2012, Stabenow’s already on the spit. Nothing’s going to save her.

Michigan finally hit rock bottom and I don’t see a Dem taking a statewide election for a long time.

Nelson needs to be replaced by a conservative or it’s a lateral move that serves no other purpose than putting Switch Hitting Mitch in the driver’s seat.

I don’t know what will become of Snowe, but I listen to Howie Carr religiously and a lot of Mass voters who voted for him last time have had it with him. Primary or not, I think he’s going to lose his seat no matter what. Remember, it’s Mass. Dems outnumber everybody else there like the PLA at Chosen Reservoir.

The important pick ups will come from picking off these seats:

Stabenow, MI
McCaskill, MO
Tester, MT
Nelson, NB
Conrad, ND
Brown, OH
Webb, VA

With the possibility of using Obama to hang:

Manchin WV
Kohl WI

and possibly Casey in PA.

If we can knock off Bill Nelson and replace him with someone in the mold of Rubio, all the better and possible, if 2010 is a glimpse of what Florida in 2012 is going to look like.

That’s 11 seats.

Thing is, we gotta make each one count. No more Murkys, no more Queegs, no more Grahamnestys, no more Maine Sisters (other than the actual Maine sisters, unless we can both primary Snoweball AND hold her seat with a conservative) no more aisle crossing, back-stabbing sell outs. Those are either lateral moves or just more cover for Donk madness.

SuperCool on August 1, 2011 at 10:34 PM

We should be putting our efforts to taking the Senate and Presidency in 2012. Obama would love nothing more then to paint the Republican nominee as an extremist like Christine O’Donnell.

amazingmets on August 1, 2011 at 10:35 PM

Actually, to be a RINO, I’d have to be a Republican. I’m not.

I’m a Libertarian independent. That’s “big L” Libertarian, not this faux-libertarian horsesh!t that so many of you Tea Partiers like to pass yourselves off as.

Vyce on August 1, 2011 at 10:27 PM

It’s possible, I bet, for you to be more haughty than you are right now.

But not likely.

fossten on August 1, 2011 at 10:35 PM

Good for her for saying that they broke their pledge to have 3 days to read the bill. That would be the Pledge to Nowhere.

If she did cut it, I like the new look.

TxAnn56 on August 1, 2011 at 10:36 PM

You will probably think differently in a few months when you see that this bill is not as bad as everyone on this website says it is and you have had time to clear your head from negative emotions.

TheQuestion on August 1, 2011 at 10:19 PM

Nancy, is that you?

fossten on August 1, 2011 at 10:37 PM

The problem is when they decide to leave conservative principles it is generally for things like obamacare like Snowe did to get it out of committee. Or how about when they vote for Kagan or Sotomayor? Or how about McCain pushing Amnesty a few years back? It is not that they will sometimes vote the other way it is that they always seem to do so on big money entitlements!

bluemarlin on August 1, 2011 at 10:19 PM

Those are clear, defined violations of conservative principle, and those votes were wrong. We can find many Republicans who regularly vote that way, too, but they somehow get lost in this primarying debate. Why is Lugar still a senator? How about Steve LaTourette in the House? They regularly violate conservative principles, yet they stay in office. Why? The focus should move to them.

youngTXcon on August 1, 2011 at 10:37 PM

You will probably think differently in a few months when you see that this bill is not as bad as everyone on this website says it is and you have had time to clear your head from negative emotions.

TheQuestion on August 1, 2011 at 10:19 PM

You are right. The bill won’t be as bad as we think.
It will be worse.

angryed on August 1, 2011 at 10:38 PM

I stand corrected! Neugebauer voted nay.
To quote Emily Litella…

annoyinglittletwerp on August 1, 2011 at 10:38 PM

Do I get a toy with that crap sandwich, if so, yes I feel better now, thanks!/
bluemarlin on August 1, 2011 at 10:34 PM

You sure do, young lad, you get a nice Chinese-made lead tainted toy.

And since China is right on our economic heels, you would be well advised to accept this toy graciously lest your new Sino Overlords get angry.

Bishop on August 1, 2011 at 10:40 PM

So yes 30 Rubios > 40 Scott Browns. Because in the end the extra 10 RINOs will vote the same way as the extra 10 Dems.

angryed on August 1, 2011 at 10:33 PM

Except now we’re back to a Christine O’Donnell situation.

The reality is, you won’t get 100 Rubios in the Senate. You never will. NEVER will. You won’t even get 60 of them. In order to get a MAJORITY (particularly a filibuster-proof majority), which is what you need in the system as it stands now, you need to have a few Scott Browns to fill some seats because that is literally the best you’re going to do in order to get the majority you need to implement the policies you want.

Vyce on August 1, 2011 at 10:40 PM

He voted for Boehner’s bill

youngTXcon on August 1, 2011 at 10:14 PM

Well, it’s up to the people who live in his district, of course, but if I were among them I would be looking for a primary opponent. I’ll be doing the same here.

FloatingRock on August 1, 2011 at 10:22 PM

Which is their duty, if they feel that way.

youngTXcon on August 1, 2011 at 10:41 PM

youngTXcon on August 1, 2011 at 10:37 PM

Enjoy your posts. Nice to see a young, well informed, conservative on Hotair. Palin took it to Biden for his comment on the TP.

derft on August 1, 2011 at 10:41 PM

Litmus test! Did they vote for this bill? RIIIIIIIIINO!They must pay! We must get rid of them!

Vince on August 1, 2011 at 10:15 PM

You’re apposed to holding politicians that break their word accountable? Do you honestly believe that our government should not be held accountable?

FloatingRock on August 1, 2011 at 10:42 PM

Lew on August 1, 2011 at 9:55 PM

Everybody!! There’s the plan right there!

44Magnum on August 1, 2011 at 10:43 PM

Col. Allen West was discussing this bill with Greta
tonight. He said:

“The American people need to manage their expectations”.

The arrogant audacity! Who in the heck does he think put
him in office.

In my book he is toast.

Amjean on August 1, 2011 at 10:43 PM

I must say…the more I watch, the more impressed I am with Greta as an interviewer. She tends to play devil’s advocate with whomever she’s interviewing instead of cheerleader for one point of view.

miConsevative on August 1, 2011 at 10:44 PM

Which is their duty, if they feel that way.

youngTXcon on August 1, 2011 at 10:41 PM

It’s their duty to make false promises to get elected and then break their word?

You have some very strange notions about good governance.

And it’s supposed to be the tea partiers that are the “extremists”! /rolls eyes

FloatingRock on August 1, 2011 at 10:44 PM

It wouldn’t hurt at all to target a few of the so-called “Moderates” or RINOs or whatever you want to call them, as long as you’ve got a seriously viable candidate to take their place. The effect on the remaining ones will be wonderful to watch as they scramble to “get right” with the conservative mojo and learn the new rules of survival in the beltway jungle.
The only good thing about a professional fixer like these folks is that they are malleable when you surround them with stronger people. Once they get a look at a few of their friends’ scalps hanging on the city gates, it’ll be charming to watch how fast they’ll line right up.
So let’s not waste all our resources gunning for every single RINO in the briar patch, when we can get the same result with a few highly visible “removals”.

Lew on August 1, 2011 at 9:55 PM

Totally agreed. You don’t like the Congresscritter in question, do your research and bring out a good contender.Follow the process, follow good tactics, and it will work out.

Sekhmet on August 1, 2011 at 10:44 PM

Hatch is really sucking up to the Tea Party on Greta. He just said that he was an original Tea Partier in 76 when Reagan ran. In the words of the Boss Emeritus, that’s snortworthy. Amazing the detour to the right they go to get re-elected.

TxAnn56 on August 1, 2011 at 10:44 PM

There are eight Republican senators running for reelection next year, among them Dick Lugar, Scott Brown, Olympia Snowe, Bob Corker, and Orrin Hatch.

Lugar
Corker
Hatch

Primary all three of them. Brown and Snowe may be moderates, but they live in Maine and Mass for christsakes.

Senators from Utah, Indiana, and Tennessee don’t have that excuse. Primarying them, plus picking up Cruz in Texas as well as pickups in North Dakota, Montana, Missouri, Ohio, Virginia and Florida will be nice. It’ll be tough to hold onto Nevada though.

AUH2O on August 1, 2011 at 10:44 PM

I can get behind a Senate purge.

Dr Evil on August 1, 2011 at 10:26 PM

It should have been done in 2010, and it likely would have made a difference in framing this debate. Focusing on the Senate should be a priority for 2012. As for the House, a number of conservative members will be facing tough elections over the FY 2012 House budget resolution, and it is important to send reinforcements where appropriate while targeting Democratic districts. Last but not least, we need a conservative president.

youngTXcon on August 1, 2011 at 10:44 PM

This is no time for fratricide.

Really Right on August 1, 2011 at 10:44 PM

Oh and we should get a conservative pick up in Wisconsin, too.

AUH2O on August 1, 2011 at 10:45 PM

How many times do you have to be hit on the head before you finally get it? RINO = Democrat when it comes to the big issues. Oh sure, Scotty Brown votes 50% with the GOP. Except the 50% is for shit that doesn’t matter like naming post offices. The 50% that does matter – like this garbage of a debt deal – he will ALWAYS vote with the Dems.

So yes 30 Rubios > 40 Scott Browns. Because in the end the extra 10 RINOs will vote the same way as the extra 10 Dems.

angryed on August 1, 2011 at 10:33 PM

They never get it.

That’s the problem.

They’d rather see a borderline Marxist who agrees with them on social issues win than a fiscal conservative who has differing opinions on social issues win an election.

It’s what heavy drug use does to the ability to reason: They hate taxes, but they’ll vote themselves into slavery if they think it’ll get them all the socially liberal things they want.

Sad, really, because I’m not far apart from Libertarians on most issues, but I don’t have any respect for a group of people that would rather hang us all on fiscal issues in order to get the social issues they champion to be addressed.

SuperCool on August 1, 2011 at 10:46 PM

Which is their duty, if they feel that way.

youngTXcon on August 1, 2011 at 10:41 PM

It’s their duty to make false promises to get elected and then break their word?

You have some very strange notions about good governance.

And it’s supposed to be the tea partiers that are the “extremists”! /rolls eyes

FloatingRock on August 1, 2011 at 10:44 PM

It is the constituents’ duty to primary their lawmaker when said lawmaker has broken their promises to them.

youngTXcon on August 1, 2011 at 10:46 PM

Totally agreed. You don’t like the Congresscritter in question, do your research and bring out a good contender.Follow the process, follow good tactics, and it will work out.

Sekhmet on August 1, 2011 at 10:44 PM

I’ll start: we replace Hatch with Chaffetz.

I don’t know too much about Tennessee? Who do we got that’s good there? DesJarlais?

What about Indiana?

AUH2O on August 1, 2011 at 10:47 PM

It’s possible, I bet, for you to be more haughty than you are right now.

But not likely.

fossten on August 1, 2011 at 10:35 PM

I am, regretably, 100% accurate, though.

Most of only like PORTIONS of libertarian philosophy. The small government / fiscal conservatism portions. Once things progress beyond that, suddenly anyone who adopts a libertarian position on, say, a social issue like gay marriage, they’re a dirthy filthy RINO / liberal / whatever.

Vyce on August 1, 2011 at 10:48 PM

Good for her for saying that they broke their pledge to have 3 days to read the bill. That would be the Pledge to Nowhere.

If she did cut it, I like the new look.

TxAnn56 on August 1, 2011 at 10:36 PM

Yup. She’s one of the few who actually expects politicians to keep their campaign promises. It’s still one of the reasons I’m leery on Perry who explicitly promised voters in his re-election campaign that if they elected him governor he wouldn’t run for president.

miConsevative on August 1, 2011 at 10:50 PM

Do what you want in the Senate but stay out of the House.

gophergirl on August 1, 2011 at 10:52 PM

Most of only like PORTIONS of libertarian philosophy. The small government / fiscal conservatism portions. Once things progress beyond that, suddenly anyone who adopts a libertarian position on, say, a social issue like gay marriage, they’re a dirthy filthy RINO / liberal / whatever.

Vyce on August 1, 2011 at 10:48 PM

Hence why many of us call ourselves libertarian leaning conservatives. Now go ahead and roll your eyes in disgust and report back to your other 31 other purist capital “L” libertarian and mock us myriad stupid conservatives.

miConsevative on August 1, 2011 at 10:53 PM

We should be putting our efforts to taking the Senate and Presidency in 2012. Obama would love nothing more then to paint the Republican nominee as an extremist like Christine O’Donnell.

amazingmets on August 1, 2011 at 10:35 PM

YES YES YES

gophergirl on August 1, 2011 at 10:53 PM

Thank you John Boehrner. It is so comforting to know that instead of going off a cliff into the abyss at 250mph, we will be only be going 248mph.

Lon Chaney on August 1, 2011 at 9:50 PM

Don’t be so optimistic.. we won’t know all the details until after it’s signed into law.

JellyToast on August 1, 2011 at 9:52 PM
They haven’t even read the darn bill! It is 75 pages long. After they voted, they then went on their 5 week vacation. And they didn’t give us “hobbits” the 72 hour advance posting on the internet like they promised. How can we even think of keeping these people in office?

Amjean on August 1, 2011 at 10:55 PM

Col. Allen West was discussing this bill with Greta
tonight. He said:

“The American people need to manage their expectations”.

The arrogant audacity! Who in the heck does he think put
him in office.

In my book he is toast.

Amjean on August 1, 2011 at 10:43 PM

Right or wrong he went on the air and explained his vote. He thinks like a military man. You try not to lose all of your assets in a frontal attack. His managing expectations remark was in regards to the political reality as he sees it, and that it will surly take additional time with more fire power. Don’t know if I totally agree and he sure didn’t look satisfied with his vote. But glad he was man enough he made the attempt, I don’t think he will hide from the voters in his district.

whbates on August 1, 2011 at 10:56 PM

It’s still one of the reasons I’m leery on Perry who explicitly promised voters in his re-election campaign that if they elected him governor he wouldn’t run for president.

miConsevative on August 1, 2011 at 10:50 PM

I don’t think he made that promise at the time, but afterwards said that he had no interest in being prez. The thing with Perry is that he’s sort of a finger in the wind type. He said a week or two ago in NH that he still supported the Texas Dream Act that he passed in 2001 (in state tuition to illegals). He’s a real squish on immigration, but talks big. And he’s been hiding behind the 10th amendment lately versus taking a principled stand. Is he better than Romney? Yes. Is he better than Dubya? Yes, but I have my reservations. Bottom line, I’ll vote for a ham sandwich if it gets that communist out of the Oval office.

TxAnn56 on August 1, 2011 at 10:57 PM

YES YES YES

gophergirl on August 1, 2011 at 10:53 PM

Me too!

annoyinglittletwerp on August 1, 2011 at 10:59 PM

Except now we’re back to a Christine O’Donnell situation.

The reality is, you won’t get 100 Rubios in the Senate. You never will. NEVER will. You won’t even get 60 of them. In order to get a MAJORITY (particularly a filibuster-proof majority), which is what you need in the system as it stands now, you need to have a few Scott Browns to fill some seats because that is literally the best you’re going to do in order to get the majority you need to implement the policies you want.

Vyce on August 1, 2011 at 10:40 PM

Are you being dense or purpose to get a rise out of me?

Scott Brown will NOT VOTE FOR CONSERVATIVE BILLS. So again, doesn’t matter if you have 80 RINOs or 80 Democrats. The end result is the same. The liberal bill passes and becomes law.

Why is this so hard to comprehend?

angryed on August 1, 2011 at 10:59 PM

Thune on Greta, “we have to get the Senate back in 2012″. So it has started already, pay no attention to the screwing we just gave you, we had to do it but f you vote for us we can change it next time around! Sick of their BS!

bluemarlin on August 1, 2011 at 10:08 PM
They structured this deal so that it won’t affect either the president, democraps or repub 2012 election.

Amjean on August 1, 2011 at 11:00 PM

Allen West is on Greta now apprising of us of how much we gained with this bill. While I’m not ready to call him a RINO, he’s definitely fallen from his conservative pedastal.

TxAnn56 on August 1, 2011 at 10:23 PM

Talks like Superman. Votes like Wally Cox. Loser.

james23 on August 1, 2011 at 11:00 PM

Me too!

annoyinglittletwerp on August 1, 2011 at 10:59 PM

I hope Perry announces soon if he is getting in. I desperately need something positive to focus on after this disaster.

gophergirl on August 1, 2011 at 11:03 PM

“The term RINO should never apply to people like Mike Pence and Paul Ryan.”

Ok. How about “unreliable”? Sorry folks I’m not into the personalities. You let us down on a vote as important as this one and you just can’t be depended upon. I support Jim DeMint’s PAC. He is one of the very few who is consistent on conservative principles. The Rinos and fake conservatives usually show themselves when they criticize DeMint. If DeMint were to show himself to be less than reliable, I’d stop supporting him in a nanosecond.

Also, there’s no reason to create strawmen with the argument that our resources are better spent fighting the Democrats. Get rid of the Rinos first, and then get rid of the Democrats. Simple. No more compromises. Not on candidates. Not on legislation.

ncjetsfan on August 1, 2011 at 11:05 PM

Sort of amusing seeing a A big “L” Libertarian who is pretty much just along for ride lecturing us on our need to jettison conservatism as our primary factor in choosing our candidates.

A Balrog of Morgoth on August 1, 2011 at 11:07 PM

Why is this so hard to comprehend?

angryed on August 1, 2011 at 10:59 PM

The floor leader of each house of Congress determines what gets voted on. If we have the majority, there will be no liberal bills for alleged RINOs to vote on.

Why don’t you go find some Democrats to defeat instead of zealously targeting our own guys?

KingGold on August 1, 2011 at 11:08 PM

Col. Allen West was discussing this bill with Greta
tonight. He said:

“The American people need to manage their expectations”.

The arrogant audacity! Who in the heck does he think put
him in office.

In my book he is toast.

Amjean on August 1, 2011 at 10:43 PM

Right or wrong he went on the air and explained his vote. He thinks like a military man. You try not to lose all of your assets in a frontal attack. His managing expectations remark was in regards to the political reality as he sees it, and that it will surly take additional time with more fire power. Don’t know if I totally agree and he sure didn’t look satisfied with his vote. But glad he was man enough he made the attempt, I don’t think he will hide from the voters in his district.

whbates on August 1, 2011 at 10:56 PM
When someone acts in a condescending way to the voters who worked tirelessly and voted him into office, he should be
replaced. That arrogance and disregard for the voters is what got this country into the mess we are in now.

Amjean on August 1, 2011 at 11:09 PM

A 60 seat majority with 15 finger-in-wind types is not “filibuster-proof,” just to help those of you in Rio Linda or who embrace utopian fringe political movements.

A Balrog of Morgoth on August 1, 2011 at 11:09 PM

Odd, the same people who counsel us to go after Democrats just can’t help themselves when someone mentions Sarah Palin.

A Balrog of Morgoth on August 1, 2011 at 11:11 PM

who embrace utopian fringe political movements.

A Balrog of Morgoth on August 1, 2011 at 11:09 PM

That’s pretty ballsy, considering the type of insane candidates you guys have backed in the service of the pipe dream of a RINO-free Senate.

KingGold on August 1, 2011 at 11:11 PM

Man, some of you people sound like you’d have court-martialed Spruance because the Japanese didn’t immediately surrender after the battle of Midway.

That war, you might recall, went on for over three more years.

The GOP controls one half of one branch of the government. I’m honestly surprised they got as much out of the debt deal as they did get. Did I want more? Of course.

Will we get more after the next battle? If not, that’s when you start the courts martial.

Russ on August 1, 2011 at 11:12 PM

Thune on Greta, “we have to get the Senate back in 2012″. So it has started already, pay no attention to the screwing we just gave you, we had to do it but f you vote for us we can change it next time around! Sick of their BS!

bluemarlin on August 1, 2011 at 10:08 PM

OH YEAH. I want to use my spare time and $$ making Mush McConnell the Majority Leader. not…

Look with the Senate if you can’t get 60 Cons, and the Socialists can’t get 60, there isn’t much to fight about. 55-45, 51-49, either way, doesn’t much matter. That chamber is utterly worthless

james23 on August 1, 2011 at 11:13 PM

…Also, there’s no reason to create strawmen with the argument that our resources are better spent fighting the Democrats. Get rid of the Rinos first, and then get rid of the Democrats. Simple. No more compromises. Not on candidates. Not on legislation.

ncjetsfan on August 1, 2011 at 11:05 PM

I don’t see why it’s impossible to get rid of actual RINOs like Lugar while also targeting Democrats. Why stick to one or the other when you can and should do both? We are also going to need good candidates to replace the conservatives running for Senate seats.

It will be difficult to do what is necessary to minimize the pain of the coming economic collapse without covering all our bases here. Listening to the Democrats on the floors of both the House and the Senate, it’s surprising we ever get anything done at all. So get a solid conservative majority to enact strong conservative policies while weakening the power of the Democrats.

youngTXcon on August 1, 2011 at 11:14 PM

Amjean on August 1, 2011 at 10:43 PM

As he is a military man, I cannot understand how he could vote for something that could cut 50% of the defense budget.

No West for me.

derft on August 1, 2011 at 11:15 PM

Amjean on August 1, 2011 at 11:09 PM

I’m sure West will find out not only will we manage our expectations, but our wallets as well. I doubt if he’ll be seeing that tsunami of Tea Party dollars from across the nation like he did last time. Old saying: Dance with the one that brung ‘ya.

TxAnn56 on August 1, 2011 at 11:15 PM

Fox news is reporting this whole thing is most likely unconstitutional because it removes debate and the filibuster. It takes all the power out of congress’s hands and gives it over to Obama and this super committee.

Isn’t this really just what McConnell first proposed about giving it all over to Obama?

The freaking idiotic GOP leadership!
I have zero respect for freaking Boehner! He is freaking pathetic!

I have nothing but disgust for these Republicans! I have more disgust for them than I do the Democrats right now! Absolutely pathetic losers! Worthless!

This is what you get when you win elections! The freaking largest debt increase in American history, a gutted military, more taxes and power given over to Obama!

JellyToast on August 1, 2011 at 11:15 PM

I don’t think he made that promise at the time, but afterwards said that he had no interest in being prez. The thing with Perry is that he’s sort of a finger in the wind type. He said a week or two ago in NH that he still supported the Texas Dream Act that he passed in 2001 (in state tuition to illegals). He’s a real squish on immigration, but talks big. And he’s been hiding behind the 10th amendment lately versus taking a principled stand. Is he better than Romney? Yes. Is he better than Dubya? Yes, but I have my reservations. Bottom line, I’ll vote for a ham sandwich if it gets that communist out of the Oval office.

TxAnn56 on August 1, 2011 at 10:57 PM

I’m almost positive he was asked during the debates for the re-election that won him his current term. And I know he was asked other times DURING his re-election campaign.

miConsevative on August 1, 2011 at 11:17 PM

HAHAH…once again the Tea Party/Conservatives get politically sodomized and act surprised for some bizarre reason. I see some are finally starting to come around but not far enough.

I am still amazed by adults who believe there is a political solution to this and that if we just elect Sarah/Romney/Perry etc…that suddenly half this country will have a change of heart. What is even worse is that they are the ones that really see the big picture and are playing the chess match, when in fact they have the most short-sided vision of anyone. Looking for a political savior is suicide.

The system was setup to fail, and can only survive if you elect a majority of non-corruptible individuals which will never happen. Get it? Do you really get it? Why waste any time in discussing GOP candidates anymore.

No I am not talking Ron Paul or third party, I am saying time to circle the wagon and make sure that you prepare your family to live in a third-world environment which this country will become in the next few decades. Every conservative should refuse to participate in the system and let it fckn burn down.

There is no America anymore and any fool that believes otherwise should go back and put Lee Greenwood’s cheesy hit on repeat.

ClassicCon on August 1, 2011 at 11:17 PM

derft on August 1, 2011 at 11:15 PM

TxAnn56 on August 1, 2011 at 11:15 PM

Talk about fairweather friends. If you’re talking about primarying a Tea Party stalwart and war hero, you need a serious perspective shift.

Defending a strategic vote does not a RINO make. But it’s becoming all too clear that some folks will never, ever, be happy.

KingGold on August 1, 2011 at 11:18 PM

The floor leader of each house of Congress determines what gets voted on. If we have the majority, there will be no liberal bills for alleged RINOs to vote on.

Why don’t you go find some Democrats to defeat instead of zealously targeting our own guys?

KingGold on August 1, 2011 at 11:08 PM

Ohhhhh so if the GOP has 51 Sens then all 51 will vote for things like tax cuts? Except when McCain didn’t. And they will all vote to confirm conservative judges? Except when they didn’t with several Bush appointees. Oh you mean like they’d vote to enforce the border? Except when McCain and Grahmnesty didn’t.

But please, enlighten me with some more of your thoughts on the matter…

angryed on August 1, 2011 at 11:18 PM

What’s wrong with every politician regardless being subject to a primary? It will give them lots to think about on the job and who they’re representing.

Those that work hard and do the right thing have nothing to worry about and will have no trouble with a primary, right?

Or is that the issue?

kim roy on August 1, 2011 at 11:18 PM

It is the constituents’ duty to primary their lawmaker when said lawmaker has broken their promises to them.

youngTXcon on August 1, 2011 at 10:46 PM

I know, I said the same thing more than 20 minutes before you did. : )

Well, it’s up to the people who live in his district, of course, but if I were among them I would be looking for a primary opponent. I’ll be doing the same here.

FloatingRock on August 1, 2011 at 10:22 PM

FloatingRock on August 1, 2011 at 11:19 PM

miConsevative on August 1, 2011 at 11:17 PM

You could be right. I’d have to do some research. I didn’t follow the campaign that much because we all were fairly confident he was going to beat KBH.

TxAnn56 on August 1, 2011 at 11:20 PM

The GOP controls one half of one branch of the government. I’m honestly surprised they got as much out of the debt deal as they did get. Did I want more? Of course.

Russ on August 1, 2011 at 11:12 PM

LOL.

Here’s what they got out of the deal:

$2.4T more for Obama to spend.

The end.

angryed on August 1, 2011 at 11:20 PM

Defending a strategic vote does not a RINO make. But it’s becoming all too clear that some folks will never, ever, be happy.

KingGold on August 1, 2011 at 11:18 PM

What is that strategy exactly by the brilliant GOP? Let the country go bankrupt under their kids watch instead of taking a real stand on the issue now. What profiles in courage.

ClassicCon on August 1, 2011 at 11:20 PM

I hope Perry announces soon if he is getting in. I desperately need something positive to focus on after this disaster.

gophergirl on August 1, 2011 at 11:03 PM
My son starts his senior year of high school in a few weeks-so my immediate concern is getting the Hormone w/Feet to start focusing on school. I’m ‘positive’ that this year is going to be rougher on his parents and step-parents than it’s going to be on him.

annoyinglittletwerp on August 1, 2011 at 11:20 PM

Let’s bring it back a bit. The term RINO should never apply to people like Mike Pence and Paul Ryan

TheQuestion on August 1, 2011 at 10:12 PM

Why not? They’re traitors! We only need 100% pure candidates so that we can be a noisy minoroty party from now until we become a Chinese colony.

Good Solid B-Plus on August 1, 2011 at 10:15 PM

… which was brought dramatically closer to reality today *because* of the folks that voted for this lie of a deal today.

It’s about too late, Mr. DeMint. We gave the GOP a landslide in November, sent you young fresh dedicated troops, and your membership up there f’d it up, bub. I’m not sure you’re going to get the same kind of support and heat from the base you got in November ever again. I’m pretty close to saying the GOP will never get my vote again.

I believe I’ll vote for anyone but GOP or DNC, or simply stay home. The return on all of the activity, the support, the time, the discussion, the cajoling, is… largely betrayal.

The Dems are disgusting and wretched, reprehensible creatures – but at least I expect them to come at me and stab me in the gut. I didn’t expect the guys on my side to stab me in the back, time and time again.

And now that I *do* expect it, why the hell would I ever want to vote for them and give them the opportunity to do it again?

Midas on August 1, 2011 at 11:20 PM

Why don’t you go find some Democrats to defeat instead of zealously targeting our own guys?

KingGold on August 1, 2011 at 11:08 PM

Because some of our guys belong in that effort, nitwit.

Midas on August 1, 2011 at 11:24 PM

If you’re talking about primarying a Tea Party stalwart and war hero, you need a serious perspective shift.

Defending a strategic vote does not a RINO make. But it’s becoming all too clear that some folks will never, ever, be happy.

KingGold on August 1, 2011 at 11:18 PM

I said nothing about primarying West. He is a hero. However,
the primary government mandate is to protect the country. Anyone who voted for this bill is putting the country at great risk. And I don’t like it and neither will you when the only thing we can defend is a playground.

derft on August 1, 2011 at 11:25 PM

Defending a strategic vote does not a RINO make. But it’s becoming all too clear that some folks will never, ever, be happy.

KingGold on August 1, 2011 at 11:18 PM

Happy with what? We would have been better off with a clean bill. This is, quite literally, a sham. It doesn’t cut spending like they claim, it only reduces the projected rate of growth. Since this congress can’t bind future congresses the spending cuts are all meaningless. It accomplishes nothing in the real world except raise the debt ceiling and provide a vehicle for both socialist and corporatist corruption that they have the nerve to try and blame on the tea party! They are all despicable people! /spit

FloatingRock on August 1, 2011 at 11:26 PM

Fox news is reporting this whole thing is most likely unconstitutional because it removes debate and the filibuster. It takes all the power out of congress’s hands and gives it over to Obama and this super committee…

JellyToast on August 1, 2011 at 11:15 PM

The bill begins with a severance clause dealing with unconstitutionality, so, if the bill actually is unconstitutional, it cannot be enacted.

I am unsure as to there argument as to why this would be unconstitutional, however. You have a committee of members of Congress– which is entirely lawful– making recommendations to Congress, and those recommendations are then considered by the Congress with 20 minutes of debate. They then vote.

youngTXcon on August 1, 2011 at 11:27 PM

The Budget Control Act of 2011 (debt deal)

youngTXcon on August 1, 2011 at 11:29 PM

You have a committee of members of Congress– which is entirely lawful– making recommendations to Congress, and those recommendations are then considered by the Congress with 20 minutes of debate. They then vote.

youngTXcon on August 1, 2011 at 11:27 PM

And speaking of this “super committee”, Louis Gohmert (R-TX) who voted no was on one of the talk shows on the way home and said that he doubted there would be any tea party/real conservative representation on this committee.

TxAnn56 on August 1, 2011 at 11:30 PM

Though my congressman was one of the nay votes-this quote from Edmund Burke is worth pondering(for those of you calling for scalps): ‘Your representative owes you, not his industry only, but his judgment; and he betrays instead of serving you if he sacrifices it to your opinion.’

Just something to think about.

annoyinglittletwerp on August 1, 2011 at 11:31 PM

angryed on August 1, 2011 at 11:18 PM

Sweet. I like facts.

astonerii on August 1, 2011 at 11:33 PM

There’s so much deft GOP strategery that they forgot how to act tactically.

By the time they figure out how to win the war, the individual battles will have reduced their army to a battered battalion of conscripts holding empty rifles and defending the burned-out capital.

Bishop on August 1, 2011 at 11:34 PM

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