Source: DeMint might back primary challenges against Republicans who supported deal

posted at 9:22 pm on August 1, 2011 by Allahpundit

DeMint himself told Politico not three hours ago that he won’t support primary challenges against incumbents, a position he’s held for months, so presumably this is just a shot across the bow from someone on his team trying to keep centrist Republicans in check.

But since I know roughly 98 percent of the HA faithful feel about this deal the way they’d feel chewing on broken glass, here’s a little something to brighten your evening. RINO Purge 2012?

DeMint had promised after last year’s election that he would not endorse any opponents to his fellow GOP lawmakers in the 2012 cycle. But now he is angry enough with the debt-ceiling compromise that Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) and House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) struck with President Obama that he might back serious challengers to Republican senators who support the plan, according to a source close to the senator.

“He’s already opened the door to changing that policy in terms of supporting people in primaries — this deal could bring him to the point where he says he’s not going to make any guarantees,” said the source, who asked not to be identified because of the sensitive nature of intraparty relations. “It’s not a threat that he’s going to oppose anybody, but … if he does, nobody should be surprised.”

There are eight Republican senators running for reelection next year, among them Dick Lugar, Scott Brown, Olympia Snowe, Bob Corker, and Orrin Hatch. The first three are all voting yes tomorrow; we’ll see about the latter two. Of the five of them, Hatch is obviously the easiest/least risky to primary given that the Republican nominee will surely win the seat while Brown, of course, is the most risky. If DeMint’s going to make a mark it would be by boosting challengers to the other three. Presumably he’ll focus only on Senate races, too, although watching his PAC go after Allen West and Paul Ryan for their heresy on the debt-ceiling vote would be pure blog magic. Exit question: Will the reaction to Jim Jordan in last week’s House caucus meeting affect DeMint’s calculus on this? Republicans were afraid to confront tea-party heroes last year during the big red wave, but after Joe Miller, Sharron Angle, and Christine O’Donnell lost, there may be less patience this time for primaries that risk fumbling a seat away to the Democrats. Especially since Democrats have a lot more to lose next year than we do.

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It’s Third Party time.

fossten on August 2, 2011 at 8:09 AM

Keep your R registration so you can vote for primary challengers for the incumbent Rs. But if the primary challenge to snakes like Boner fails, then, I agree, third party his but* in the general.

The tea parties have to keep their distance from the R’s, and in some instance that will mean running in the general as a “third” party.

james23 on August 2, 2011 at 9:05 AM

You have to get the new blood in CONTROL.

Otherwise they’re just tools for winning elections so the RINOs can have the chairmanships and continue to cave to the Democrats.

In other words, you need Bachmann as Speaker, etc. etc. Otherwise you lose.

fossten on August 2, 2011 at 9:02 AM

Yeah, I think that is the lesson of the 2010 elections. Sending in tea partiers to act as cannon fodder for the old Republican bulls in leadership is a FAIL strategy. Worse, its counter-productive. You have to take down the R leadership and replace them. And you have to be willing to run against them, third party them, in the general, in certain crucial races.

james23 on August 2, 2011 at 9:08 AM

Yeah, I think that is the lesson of the 2010 elections. Sending in tea partiers to act as cannon fodder for the old Republican bulls in leadership is a FAIL strategy. Worse, its counter-productive. You have to take down the R leadership and replace them. And you have to be willing to run against them, third party them, in the general, in certain crucial races.

james23 on August 2, 2011 at 9:08 AM

But there won’t be a movement for Boehner to resign.

That’s why I’m done with them.

They are gutless.

fossten on August 2, 2011 at 9:09 AM

Getting a fix of Beck…badly needed now.

ProudPalinFan on August 2, 2011 at 9:10 AM

If and when our country turns back to the right and heads that direction for a decade or two,
j_galt on August 2, 2011 at 8:50 AM

Don’t make me giggle. When is THAT going to happen.

The country is only interested in “turning back to the right” in THEORY, not in practice. They want more spending cuts? That’s great, so do I.

Call me when they want to actually get serious about entitlement reform. THAT is when I will believe that they’ve truly “turned back to the right.” Hasn’t happened yet. Even a majority of Tea Partiers don’t want Uncle Sam to stop sending out their Medicare / Social Security checks.

Spending cuts are good, but it’s all small potatoes until voters finally get serious about reforming entitlements, because that is the true driver of our debt and will remain so, for decades to come.

In other words, you need Bachmann as Speaker, etc. etc. Otherwise you lose.

fossten on August 2, 2011 at 9:02 AM

I would consider Bachmann as Speaker a loss anyway. I would hope you guys could do better than HER. I have to believe you could, if I want to sleep well at night.

Vyce on August 2, 2011 at 9:13 AM

Hilarious! Beck’s mocking Chrissy Matthews playing over and over stumbling at the beginning of the segment. Said the first step for alcoholics is to admit you have a problem. Cut off 16 syllables in one word hehehe!

ProudPalinFan on August 2, 2011 at 9:14 AM

Exit question: Will the reaction to Jim Jordan in last week’s House caucus meeting affect DeMint’s calculus on this?

I hope not, because I frankly saw nothing wrong with what Jim Jordan did. Our current crop of politicians respond to pressure much better than principle. So, if you want them to respond, you have to pressure them. Parties are just structures of political convenience, and have no problem with focusing popular opinion against any politician, GOP or otherwise. If politicians don’t like it, don’t run.

The GOP old-line are scared that they’re going to lose their comfy positions of power within the hirearchy. They should be. Sadly, they’re demonstrating that they care more about personal power and popularity among their imaginary team than honestly and effectively representing their boss – the people who put them in office.

GalosGann on August 2, 2011 at 9:19 AM

I would consider Bachmann as Speaker a loss anyway. I would hope you guys could do better than HER. I have to believe you could, if I want to sleep well at night.

Vyce on August 2, 2011 at 9:13 AM

Probably could, but you’re ignoring the point that she wouldn’t have brokered this sh*tty deal that Boehner did.

fossten on August 2, 2011 at 9:21 AM

May I remind … YOU HAD a GOP President, a GOP Senate, and a GOP House for six years which did nothing but run up the debt.

Electing RINO’s and establishment GOP types will do … NOTHING.

You want to save this nation … you have to whip a political party into shape. The RINO’s cry – but they will be beaten into submission.

HondaV65 on August 2, 2011 at 7:58 AM

Yes. Please remind the RINO lovers of this fact every hour.

j_galt on August 2, 2011 at 8:52 AM

We are up against a highly influencial power structure entrenched in DC that doesn’t much care whether politicians have an R or D next to their name. They know they can be flattered and corrupted. We can elect and send good men and women there but we are merely sacrificing them if we don’t understand the pressure that is put on them once they are there.

Rep Joe Walsh is a citizen politician, an everyman (warts and all) and a tea party stalwart but even he was feeling the crushing pressure from his own party on this.

We need to make sure in 2012 that we work hard to send in reinforcements to help the tea party freshmen, because they are already showing signs of weariness from the fight.

Remember the Alamo.

Fallon on August 2, 2011 at 9:23 AM

So far as I’m aware, Gary Johnson is the only reasonably well known politician who prefers an outright default to a rise in the debt ceiling. The rest of them should stop pretending they could have gotten a better deal than the current one, and come clean. Otherwise they are just great big attention-grabbing phonies banging their shoes on the table like Khruschev.

Seth Halpern on August 2, 2011 at 9:25 AM

It’s worse than you think.
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2011/08/we_the_stupid.html
This is a betrayal of epic proportions.

The GOP will betray you

True_King on August 2, 2011 at 9:42 AM

The GOP will betray you

True_King on August 2, 2011 at 9:42 AM

And, the DNC will enslave you. Your turn.

Fallon on August 2, 2011 at 9:52 AM

Breaking News: Obama to be awarded the Nobel Prize for Economics…

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PatriotRider on August 2, 2011 at 9:53 AM

The GOP will betray you

True_King on August 2, 2011 at 9:42 AM

And, the DNC will enslave you. Your turn.

Fallon on August 2, 2011 at 9:52 AM

So what that means is that the GOP will sell you to the slavers to protect their own interests. Yep, sounds about right.

Pattosensei on August 2, 2011 at 9:54 AM

We need to make sure in 2012 that we work hard to send in reinforcements to help the tea party freshmen, because they are already showing signs of weariness from the fight.

Remember the Alamo.

Fallon on August 2, 2011 at 9:23 AM

Sorry, but the problem is institutional.

Trusting people to maintain their backbones in that environment is folly.

The United States as we knew it is dead.

fossten on August 2, 2011 at 10:00 AM

It’s worse than you think.
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2011/08/we_the_stupid.html
This is a betrayal of epic proportions.

The GOP will betray you

True_King on August 2, 2011 at 9:42 AM

It would help if your article didn’t have passages like this, straight from the Tin-Foil Hat Brigade:

Obama is the enemy. Obama is a Marxist-Communist usurper and puppet front for a cabal of Marxist-Communists who are actively trying to destroy the United States of America. Everything they have done, are doing, and will do has the single goal of collapsing and destroying the U.S. economy, military, constitutional government and culture. What part of “Marxist Revolution” do you not understand?

As I’ve said before: my god, it’s ALWAYS a conspiracy with you people.

There’s no grand Marxist conspiracy at play here. Obama is just a product of what has become of the modern left – European-style socialists, determined to grow the federal government at any cost or expense, even when presented with evidence that doing so will eventually bankrupt and collapse the government. It’s not because that’s their goal, it’s because they can’t intellectually fathom that could be the end result of their failed and flawed policies. The State is god to them, they can’t conceive of it dying or collapsing under its own weight.

Vyce on August 2, 2011 at 10:02 AM

Pattosensei on August 2, 2011 at 9:54 AM

As long as the political elite, their families and interests are protected from the servitude and carnage, yup.

Fallon on August 2, 2011 at 10:02 AM

It’s worse than you think.
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2011/08/we_the_stupid.html

True_King on August 2, 2011 at 9:42 AM

Most people simply are not going to believe that. It’s true, but most people can’t let that Truth enter into the discussion.

I mean, it’s impossible for the USA to be destroyed from within. We won the Revolution! We won WW2! (No one talks about WW1.) We won the Cold War! We won in Iraq!

No, the USA cannot be destroyed, says those who are too vain, too arrogant, too lazy or too dumb to be bothered to read some history, open their eyes and look around.

j_galt on August 2, 2011 at 10:02 AM

The United States as we knew it is dead.

fossten on August 2, 2011 at 10:00 AM

This is also something that most people are not aware of, or want to admit. Many people today talk about the Constitution and free markets and freedom. But those things have been gone for a long time in the USA.

The Constitution died in the 1800s. Free markets died in the 1900s. Freedom died in the 2000s.

j_galt on August 2, 2011 at 10:06 AM

As I’ve said before: my god, it’s ALWAYS a conspiracy with you people.

There’s no grand Marxist conspiracy at play here. Obama is just a product of what has become of the modern left – European-style socialists, determined to grow the federal government at any cost or expense, even when presented with evidence that doing so will eventually bankrupt and collapse the government. It’s not because that’s their goal, it’s because they can’t intellectually fathom that could be the end result of their failed and flawed policies. The State is god to them, they can’t conceive of it dying or collapsing under its own weight.

Vyce on August 2, 2011 at 10:02 AM

That’s ignorant. I suggest you google ‘Cloward-Piven’ and read Atlas Shrugged.

fossten on August 2, 2011 at 10:11 AM

The Constitution died in the 1800s. Free markets died in the 1900s. Freedom died in the 2000s.

j_galt on August 2, 2011 at 10:06 AM

The Constitution was originally designed to bring about a supergovernment.

fossten on August 2, 2011 at 10:13 AM

That’s ignorant. I suggest you google ‘Cloward-Piven’ and read Atlas Shrugged.

fossten on August 2, 2011 at 10:11 AM

No, it’s pragmatism. You’re looking for some sort of sinister, insidious conspiracy afoot, because you absolutely hate Obama, and want to believe the absolute worst thing possible about the man, much like crazed lefties, a few years back, believed that yes, Bush and the “neocons” probably really did cause 9/11 or lie about WMDs, etc., in order to advance their cause.

When the reality is, Obama and the left, et al., are just incompetents who believe – lock stock and barrel – in a philosophy that has been proven wrong time and again, but since it is tantamount to religion to them, they cannot let it go.

BTW, I’ve read Atlas Shrugged. I enjoy the philosophy of objectivism (although I still feel like Rand could have gone through a few more ‘drafts’ of it to improve some things), but Rand’s writing itself leaves a lot to be desired. It can be somewhat tortured at times, and the entire “author soapbox” at the end just became tedious.

Vyce on August 2, 2011 at 10:27 AM

The current Drudge Report headline speaks more eloquently than I ever could:HOUSE CHEERS TRILLIONS MORE IN DEBT. The result of the biggest Republican defeat in history and the RINOS led the charge.

MaiDee on August 2, 2011 at 10:34 AM

Vyce on August 2, 2011 at 10:27 AM

Sorry, but it is against common sense to believe that Obama and the Dems are simply ignorant.

They’ve had too many examples of how their beliefs fail for it to be anything but intentional.

fossten on August 2, 2011 at 10:41 AM

Vyce on August 2, 2011 at 10:27 AM

Hi, I don’t have time to read this entire thread. I have read what the topic was: DeMint, etc. It seems the conversation has changed.

However, am I correct that you hold to the opinion that all that has happened to our Country since the election of November 2008 is accidental?

bluefox on August 2, 2011 at 11:07 AM

No, the USA cannot be destroyed, says those who are too vain, too arrogant, too lazy or too dumb to be bothered to read some history, open their eyes and look around.

j_galt on August 2, 2011 at 10:02 AM

It CAN be destroyed. I saw this in “microcosm”, here in New Orleans – right after Hurricane Katrina.

The fabric of civilization is thin. I saw civilization disappear from New Orleans and the surrounding area for many days after the storm. Cops – running away from NOLA. Cops – STEALING cars for their own personal benefit. A complete disregard for Constitutional rights. Guns – confiscated from law abiding people. People living in carwashes – in Bay St. Louis, Mississippi. Fights in Gas lines, Walmart check-out lines, Fema Ice lines. Elderly – dieing in nursing homes from heat stroke due to no electrical power …

People say we had to have this debt deal in order to avoid a second economic collapse.

Well – you have only guaranteed yourselves a BONAFIDE collapse. Just wait and see what kind of civi1 unrest results when the real default comes – and people start fighting for what they believe is their share of the pie.

HondaV65 on August 2, 2011 at 11:40 AM

youngTXcon on August 2, 2011 at 2:25 AM

Well just have to disagree, because you argue for unaccountable government, which I cannot abide.

FloatingRock on August 2, 2011 at 3:00 AM

I actually strongly encouraged accountable government. Our disagreement is about whether there are grey areas in which a conservative can take a certain stance and still claim to be advancing the cause of conservatism. You say no, I say yes. We shall agree to disagree, then.

youngTXcon on August 2, 2011 at 11:51 AM

However, am I correct that you hold to the opinion that all that has happened to our Country since the election of November 2008 is accidental?

bluefox on August 2, 2011 at 11:07 AM

Accidental? No.

An INTENTIONAL campaign to destroy America for some sort of secret cabal of Marxist villains? No. This isn’t a bloody James Bond film or a comic book, this is real life.

What happened between 2008 and 2010? Exactly, as one would say, what it says on the tin: liberals, in power, enacting liberal policies. It just so happens that those policies are financially ruinous to our nation. It’s not because they want to destroy America, they’re just deluded enough to think that their policies are helping America.

They’re not so much malicious. They’re just profoundly retarded.

Vyce on August 2, 2011 at 12:16 PM

The GOP will betray you

True_King on August 2, 2011 at 9:42 AM

And, the DNC will enslave you. Your turn.

Fallon on August 2, 2011 at 9:52 AM

So our choices are betrayel or enslavement?

I’ll fight

BOTH

, thank you very much.

I don’t settle.

Tim_CA on August 2, 2011 at 12:25 PM

despite the formatting – you get the point.

Tim_CA on August 2, 2011 at 12:26 PM

So it’s good if DeDint says he’s going to primary supporters of the Debt Turkey but bad if Palin says the same thing?

Viator on August 2, 2011 at 12:37 PM

Viator on August 2, 2011 at 12:37 PM

Who said that? Sorry, but I was watching TV & on other sites.
Thanks,

bluefox on August 2, 2011 at 1:00 PM

Seven Percent Solution on August 2, 2011 at 12:35 PM

LOL, you are probably correct. Does that mean they just open envelopes, pull out the money and toss the rest? Ha-Ha, sure they do. Oh, they do send the blah, blah back.

I have found that regardless of the 100′s of faxes/phone calls that I have made, the only response I get is from emailing the Congress critters. Not all of them, but most.

bluefox on August 2, 2011 at 1:15 PM

They’re not so much malicious. They’re just profoundly retarded.

Vyce on August 2, 2011 at 12:16 PM

Again, your opinion defies common sense.

This is being done methodically.

If they are retarded and ad hoc, it wouldn’t be going so smoothly.

fossten on August 2, 2011 at 1:27 PM

To save the GOP, the RINOs must be primaried. Or as in Brown’s case, withold finacial support. Let him run his money bombs and see if he can replicate his 2009 election. My bet is no.

AH_C on August 2, 2011 at 1:52 PM

Vyce on August 2, 2011 at 12:16 PM

thanks for responding.

Ok, now let’s pretend that you are the President and you have the same Congress members that were there before the 11/2010 elections.

You are being charged to destroy this Country.

Please list what you would do. You can list as many items as you like.

bluefox on August 2, 2011 at 1:56 PM

Good. Primary them all. Anybody with more than 6 years in DC, gone.

mojo on August 2, 2011 at 2:02 PM

More “third party” idiocy. Great.

Tell you what, if you aren’t a Republican and don’t want to be a Republican, why not get out now and start work on your useless third party as you help Obama get reelected?

Let committed Republicans at least have the right to choose our own nominees without traitors in our midst who try to sabotage the primaries and then bolt for third party if they don’t get their way.

Third party voters have been saying they want to “send a message” for decades. They send a message, all right, but the message is that they are stupid, irrelevant little brats who can be ignored along with the fringe nuts who associate with them.

Adjoran on August 2, 2011 at 3:22 PM

Boehner gets replaced. My congressman, Dreier, gets replaced. This law is a travesty that does nothing at all of what was claimed about it. Those who lie like this must not remain in Congress.

It’s time for the pitchforks, torches, tar, feathers, and fence rails in Washington DC.

{`,’}

herself on August 2, 2011 at 4:52 PM

you GO, Jim! Any Republican who caved to Reid, Pelosi, and Obama ought to be out on the street come next election time. These 3 actually called the Cut/Cap/Balance bill, which would have tied Washington’s hands regarding spending to what we take in as revenue ‘the worst piece of legislation ever’. Without having a plan of their own they did nothing but tell the GOP, “Nope…try again – keep giving in and coming my way’ and the GOP kept doing it. I would have signed NOTHING unless it contained the Balanced Budget ammendment – even if they got no budget cuts at all they still needed THAT! At the most critical point in our nation’s history in our generation, standing on the precipise, the GOP could not/would not stand their ground. Boehner is a complete loser and needs to go. After claiming to have secured tens of billions of budget cuts in the FY11 showdon in April only to have it come out that the truth was $500 MILLION only, and now playing that stupid movie video clip before passing this dog – he needs to go. “I need your help, no questions, and someone is going to get hurt’…yeah, the people getting hurt are the Americans who elected you to have a spine not be a doormat for Obama/Reid/Pelosi. And for daring to start working on a seperate plan rather than help unify the GOP behind 1, McConnel is a loser as well. He undermined Cut/Cap/Balance and signaled the Dems that he was willing to back down/sacrifice that bill and give Obama whatever he wanted from the start. LOSER!

easyt65 on August 2, 2011 at 6:37 PM

The next time Obama comes on TV – him or any of his socialist party cronies, and begins talking about how WE are going to have to tighten our belts and sacrifice more, I want someone – ANY GOP leader or ANY media/reporter to ask:

So when is Congress going to CUT their own pay – not just cap it? When are YOU guys going to start trimming the best perks/retirement package our tax dollars can pay for? When will Michelle vacation on the back lawn or at Camp david instead of flying to other countries, paying for the entire top 2 floors of the most luxurious resorts with her staff of 40 and security detail the size of some small countries’ militaries? I am TIRED of politicians living and acting like we are the wealthiest nations on earth while demanding we sacrifice more as unemployment goes up and the economy plunges! I am tired of paying for $500 million ‘shrimp on a treadmill’ projects and millions to teach Chinese prostitutes how to drink alcohol more responsibly with my tax dollars while hearing Obama tell me to tighten my belt and pay more taxes before HE goes to play another round of golf!

easyt65 on August 2, 2011 at 6:43 PM

The State is god to them, they can’t conceive of it dying or collapsing under its own weight.

Vyce on August 2, 2011 at 10:02 AM

Even with an example happening in front of their eyes happening in Greece, and all the austerity measures that have had to be enacted in Western Europe? Their Fabian utopia turned into a nightmare, it’s not just a little hiccup.

The leaders in those countries came out and said as much about their grand experiment. Multiculturalism is a failure, and the socialist democratic state failed. Socialism fails always. Those 3 words need to be tattooed on our public servant’s foreheads. You can’t be a little pregnant, and you can’t be a little socialist.

Dr Evil on August 3, 2011 at 10:23 AM

easyt65 on August 2, 2011 at 6:37 PM

Most all conservatives agree with your post. One can see exactly what was going on. The House kept coming up with a plan that the W.H. & Reid would agree on. Back room deals were being discussed while the House was getting ready to vote one one of their current plans. Everything behind closed doors, nothing posted online so the American people could read the proposed bill.

If what was finally passed isn’t bad enough, then we find our McConnell is the one that came up with the super committee. Guess they had to come up with some vehicle to use for tax increases. Betrayed is the only word that covers it all.

bluefox on August 3, 2011 at 1:34 PM

fossten on August 2, 2011 at 1:27 PM

Agreed. This went like clockwork. Everything that has been done since the 2008 election has been planned. The fact that it has been detrimental of our Country is proof. Whether it has been done on purpose(which I believe) or thru ignorance doesn’t matter, except opinions. The effect is the same.

However, honest people when told they have made a mistake or are off track and their ideas will cause harm will attempt to correct them.

Liars lie, they can’t help themselves because they are liars.

Ignorant people usually can’t find their way out of a paper bag and wouldn’t be in Congress anyway. I don’t know what the ratio is, but most are Attorneys.

bluefox on August 3, 2011 at 1:59 PM

Dr Evil on August 3, 2011 at 10:23 AM

Exactly. Pregnant or not; Socialist or not, good point. I came back to this thread to see if Vyce had replied to my post to him/her. Guess not.

Vyce said in part:

determined to grow the federal government at any cost or expense, even when presented with evidence that doing so will eventually bankrupt and collapse the government.

I say, then knowing that and our Congress & President continues down that path, how can one say it is not intentional? Are we supposed to wait for proof? How idiotic.

I say: So then that speaks of insanity in my opinion. Discussion is a good thing, but logic in addition to opinion is an important part.

bluefox on August 3, 2011 at 2:16 PM

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