Open thread: House to vote on debt deal at 2 p.m.? Update: Still awaiting speeches, votes, while Moody’s and S&P’s continue to warn of a downgrade Update: Pelosi says “Vote your conscience” as Biden says “This will pass”

posted at 1:30 pm on August 1, 2011 by Tina Korbe

Leaders on both sides of the aisle have begrudgingly praised the Budget Control Act of 2011, and newspapers this morning hailed it as the deal to prevent default, but the bill isn’t quite “done and done.”

Supposedly, Speaker John Boehner hopes the House will vote first on the deal as a special “Message to the Senate,” possibly as early as 2 p.m., but that’s not confirmed yet, so stand by … In the meantime, let’s parse the chances of passage in both the House and Senate. (In case you missed the actual details of the fluid deal, here’s a solid summary.)

Vice President Joe Biden this morning headed to both chambers to confer with Democratic leadership to ensure the necessary votes would be there — a sign that the bill’s success isn’t quite a sure thing. And no wonder: Critics on both sides find the bill, at best, a disappointment and, at worst (from passage’s standpoint), utterly unpalatable.

But, for the first time since the House passed its original budget, the Senate doesn’t seem to be the biggest threat to passage of a deal, a reflection, perhaps, that this newest compromise was primarily brokered by the president and Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.), with a relatively early sign-off from Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.).

Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), for one, will be a “yes” vote on the bill he’s glad doesn’t require the passage of a balanced budget amendment (which he again insisted this morning on “Fox and Friends” is an impossible proposition as long as Republicans control just one-third of the government). Sure, he says he’ll have to “swallow hard” and he also claims he’s concerned about the defense spending cuts the bill could engender, but he’ll vote for it anyway. Other establishment Republicans will likely vote the same way — and the Democrats will line up behind Reid, as they always do.

But a few solutions-oriented senators will still vote against a bill that signifies a political accomplishment only. Sen. Mike Lee (R-Utah), for example, has said he’ll vote against it on the grounds that it does nothing to reform the way Washington spends taxpayer money. And Sen. Ron Johnson (R-Wis.) reportedly feels queasy at the thought of a vote on a “disgusting” debt ceiling increase of $2.4 trillion.

“Even right now we are supposedly talking about a deal that will be $2.4-trillion worth,” Johnson said last night on Fox News. ‘Think about what that is: $2.4-million-million worth. You just have a couple people negotiating this. I mean, it is ridiculous. We’re talking about the federal government’s budget here. … Ten years ago we spent $1.8 trillion. This year we will spend $3.6 trillion, and more. What the president’s budget would do after 10 years: Increase that from $3.7 to $5.7 trillion. He would spend $46 trillion. And all we are doing is lowering that by, what, $900 billion? … It may be a step in the right direction, but it is not fixing the problem.”

In the House, Democrats and Republicans alike aren’t amenable, either. Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), for example, met the most recent proposal with a cold reception, even though her former adviser Brendan Daly told me this morning he’s confident she’ll release her caucus to vote for it, even if she herself votes “no.”

On the right, Tea Party stalwarts like Rep. Joe Walsh (R-Ill.) and Rep. Louis Gomert (R-Tex.) have said they’ll vote against the bill. (“I’m looking for a reason to vote ‘yes’ and I can’t find it,” Gomert told Alisyn Camerota on “America’s Newsroom” this morning. He was quite literally “looking” — he stayed up past 2:00 a.m. studying the bill, he said.) The other 20 GOP representatives who voted against House Speaker John Boehner’s original compromise bill will also likely remain steadfast in the face of this new and still-more-watery legislation. More Republicans might defect.

The sticking point among slightly more “establishment” R’s in the House still seems to be the potential cuts to defense funding, which would go into effect should Congress fail to enact the recommendations of the compromise bill’s special commission to reduce the deficit. Importantly, House Armed Services Chairman Buck McKeon (R-Calif.) and other members of HASC are still weighing whether to vote “yes.”

But as AP pointed out last night, the Democrats who will support this Obama-McConnell last-minute deal will probably more than cover the loss of any additional Republicans. Plus, Boehner is fighting harder than any of the chief compromise crafters to sell this bill, so he’ll likely limit the number of Republican “no” votes.

We shall see …

Update I: Vice President Biden will speak in moments to report the results of his meetings with Democratic leadership earlier today. Still no word on when the actual vote will be. But, in the meantime, both Moody’s and Standard and Poor’s have suggested they’re less than happy with the deal as it is.

Update II: Looks like the House vote will be in the evening at the earliest … Via Guy Benson: “Joe Biden is meeting with House Democrats this afternoon to help sell the deal  in advance of a vote, which could come this evening.  Down the hall, Harry Reid says he’d also prefer to tee-up a Senate vote for today, but can’t commit to it.”

Update III: Nancy Pelosi is telling her people to “vote your conscience.” That means no real whipping from the vote-lassoing queen.

But Biden still sounds hopeful that the bill will pass. “I didn’t go to convince; I went to explain and lay out exactly how we got to where we were and why this is so important for the country,” he said moments ago, coming out of meeting with Democrats. “They expressed all their frustration, which I’d be frustrated if i were sitting there, as well, that it came down to the wire, as well. They asked about the proposed legislation. I thought it was a good meeting and I feel confident that this will pass.” Biden said the “one, overwhelming, redeeming feature” of the deal is that it prevents the debt ceiling from coming up for debate again until after 2012 — “and that has nothing to do with elections.”

Update IV: I just wrote a separate post about the House Republican leadership press conference, but the key takeaway is that Boehner’s sounding confident the deal will pass in the House.


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Da Boss is not going to be happy if this screws up his birthday party and Martha’s Vineyard vacation…

PatriotRider on August 1, 2011 at 2:31 PM

“and we got nothing”…

Does she have a “BOB” in her pocket?

Gohawgs on August 1, 2011 at 2:31 PM

Shame and blame are the only things politicians know how to do, so kill the bill and let them blame the Tea Party.

Mangy Scot on August 1, 2011 at 2:31 PM

Republican Ayes 28-11 as 15 minutes ago via Nate Silver.

Oil Can on August 1, 2011 at 2:32 PM

The Congress couldn’t cut 4 trillion real dollars out of the budget. Now it looks like Moodys and S&P are going to downgrade the U.S. people need to remember this when they go to the polls in November 2012. Dr Evil on August 1, 2011 at 2:14 PM

Yep. I can’t understand how both parties just ignored this part. Did they think the downgrade would actually not happen if they passed the debt ceiling? Are they all that obtuse? I really think that’s what it is going to take for any serious efforts on the debt to be made.

a capella on August 1, 2011 at 2:32 PM

All YES votes get the cross-hairs. Boehner gets the cross-hairs.

james23 on August 1, 2011 at 2:32 PM

Another rather un-tasty morsel

Deal only affects 2% of cuts before the re-election of Obama? From WZ and Zero Hedge

Key West Reader on August 1, 2011 at 2:24 PM

Gomer Pyle voice: surprise, surprise!

slickwillie2001 on August 1, 2011 at 2:35 PM

I know how to get Boehner to finally stand up to the Democrats.

Just convince him that the Democrats are actually Tea Partiers.

fossten on August 1, 2011 at 2:35 PM

I’ve noticed that a lot of new bond issues have been canceled today. The bond market doesn’t like this bill.

Oil Can on August 1, 2011 at 2:35 PM

10 signs the double-dip recession has begun
Many Americans believe that the 2008-2009 downturn never ended
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43946055/ns/business-us_business/

The Obama Recession, you bone it, you own it.

Chip on August 1, 2011 at 2:36 PM

miConsevative on August 1, 2011 at 1:42 PM

I just called Boehner’s office and asked that he pull this bill and send Reid CCB Part 2

bluefox on August 1, 2011 at 2:38 PM

Da Boss is not going to be happy if this screws up his birthday party and Martha’s Vineyard vacation…

PatriotRider on August 1, 2011 at 2:31 PM

..but, hoooo boy, what a field day will be had if he *does* go to the F/R and on vacation if this fails.

The War Planner on August 1, 2011 at 2:40 PM

I think the people who put the deal together, think the Republican freshmen won’t walk away from the crumbling crap sandwich. They really have a high learning curve in D.C.

Dr Evil on August 1, 2011 at 2:40 PM

The Obama Recession, you bone it, you own it.

Chip on August 1, 2011 at 2:36 PM

Nice, and it will fit on a t-shirt and bumper sticker.

Dr Evil on August 1, 2011 at 2:41 PM

I know how to get Boehner to finally stand up to the Democrats.

Just convince him that the Democrats are actually Tea Partiers.

fossten on August 1, 2011 at 2:35 PM

Excellent idea, that would do it is my guess! I wish we had thought of that earlier to stop this train wreck.

bluemarlin on August 1, 2011 at 2:41 PM

Is Boehner going to let Nancy Pelosi march around the Capitol grounds holding the big gavel for old times’ sake?

Fallon on August 1, 2011 at 2:42 PM

Where has all the “pro tea party” rhetoric that was coming from Republican leadership during the 2010 elections gone? They used us and once they didn’t need us, they turned us into the villians. I am done with the Republican elite and if they think for one moment (Lindsey Graham) that I’m going to be fooled again because they say the right words during election season they are wrong.
Vote the bums out, vote them all out with the exception of the few that have stayed strong. And as much as I admire the man, that includes Mr. West of Florida. It’s one thing to compromise, it’s another to abandon the people that elected you.
Does everyone that goes to Washington become that much better than the people that sent them there so quickly?

b4itsover on August 1, 2011 at 2:44 PM

Yep. I can’t understand how both parties just ignored this part. Did they think the downgrade would actually not happen if they passed the debt ceiling? Are they all that obtuse? I really think that’s what it is going to take for any serious efforts on the debt to be made.

a capella on August 1, 2011 at 2:32 PM

The only people, the career politicians are listening to are the lobbyist. Otherwise we all might as well be speaking in a foreign tongue like for instance Mandarin Chinese….oh wait they aren’t listening to our #1 creditor either.

Dr Evil on August 1, 2011 at 2:44 PM

Everyone knows the economy is on shaky ground and the fact the MSM is selling this compromise as a Tea Party victory means that Obama can say it was our fault the economy has not recovered, because we wouldn’t let him raise taxes. Republicans are idiots…not sure how they ever get elected in the first place.

b4itsover on August 1, 2011 at 2:45 PM

If it doesn’t happen it is the Leadership that gets the blame…

And we are back at the debt ceiling!

Now, strange as that may seem, it is actually better than this piece of spending shinola… spend only what you take in. Painful for the spendthrifts, Progressives, Liberals, and anyone who thinks that getting things in order after 2012 is the way to go. But, if you make spending what you take in the TOPIC of the next election and show how it works, and why you really want less government… then Obama in charge of the cuts makes the case that you don’t want politicians doing ANYTHING with the economy.

EVER.

Which includes debt and deficits: get rid of this tool for manipulating the economy.

After 3 years of recession and a year of spending what you take in with the most politically oriented President ever to occupy the office and the pain he will cause, how is this NOT a winner in 2012? He wanted the spending. He wanted more debt. He acts like a conniving political operative in cuts, and will use them against the American people. He will be the case in point of why limited government is a GOOD THING.

Do not help this man.

Force him to do a job he will hate so he will take it out on others.

There is a good chance he might decide to quit as he doesn’t know how to cut. Push his buttons for once and make sure people see exactly how such people act in office.

Only Nixon could go to China.

Only Obama can start cutting the federal government.

Yeah you will get pain but that is balanced against HELPING him limp along to 2012 and supporting him at every turn by making decisions for him. Stop doing that and make him do his damned job that he volunteered for. It is supposed to be the toughest job in the world so hand him something really tough that any adult should be able to handle: cutting spending.

ajacksonian on August 1, 2011 at 2:49 PM

Pelosi to her members “Vote yer conscience”, heh. May they vote him down.

Schadenfreude on August 1, 2011 at 2:50 PM

Deal sucks. Hopefully, there are enough votes on the left and the right to kill it in the House. My Congressman is voting “no.”

Apparently Boehner will be speaking shortly. My guess is he hasn’t got the votes.

SukieTawdry on August 1, 2011 at 2:50 PM

But, in the meantime, both Moody’s and Standard and Poor’s have suggested they’re less than happy with the deal as it is.

Welcome to the club.

jawkneemusic on August 1, 2011 at 2:51 PM

212-219 is the current whip count, the bill would fail if voted now.

fossten on August 1, 2011 at 2:51 PM

I just got straight through to my Representative SC Rep. Tim Scott’s office. CALL YOUR REPRESENTATIVE!!! This is just another shit sandwich with 2.4 TRILLION DOLLARS of deficit spending and does nothing to save the nation’s credit rating nor has any substantial cuts.

The wheels on the bus go rond and round…..

Storybec on August 1, 2011 at 2:51 PM

One thing Obama has been successful in is evoking fake crises to get what he wannts. AKA “I I don’t get what I want, Henny Penny, the sky will fall.”

Fake crisis #1-Unless Obamacare is passed,the medical system (as we know it) will crumble and America along with it. This tactic panicked reluctant Democrats (sweetened with bribes-”Louisiana Purchase” “Cornhusker Kickback”)In this case, Democrats were panicked into making a bad deal and the whole nation suffered and any chance of job recovery dissolved.

Fake crisis # 2-Unless the debt ceiling is raised A America is finished B Will lose its triple-A Moody’s bond rating 3 The stock will disintegrate 4 Republicans will be blamed. This time panicky RINOs jumped on the bandwagon-although some speculate that, since RINOS are only slightly less spend-thrifty good-time-Charlies than the Democrats-they secretly wanted the debt ceiling raised anyway.

If the pending legislation goes through as expected, the bottom line is a Democratic victory-how big depends on how effective Republicans will be at stopping further wealth redistribution. That will be the only issue since there will be NO significant spending cuts. Just sayin’.

MaiDee on August 1, 2011 at 2:52 PM

Stipid Biden “if we had our way we’d be talking about job creation”.

How come God doesn’t strike such charlatans, instantly?

Schadenfreude on August 1, 2011 at 2:52 PM

b4itsover on August 1, 2011 at 2:45 PM

Yup. No way this piece of… legislation belongs to the tea party. No way.

Fallon on August 1, 2011 at 2:53 PM

Pelosi to her members “Vote yer conscience”, heh. May they vote him down.

Schadenfreude on August 1, 2011 at 2:50 PM

They have been given their marching orders, vote yay to save Obama’s Presidency. Nan’s saying meh, do it yourself to the light bringer?

Dr Evil on August 1, 2011 at 2:55 PM

Obama can say it was our fault the economy has not recovered, because we wouldn’t let him raise taxes. Republicans are idiots…not sure how they ever get elected in the first place.

b4itsover on August 1, 2011 at 2:45 PM

but the taxes will actually go up, as soon as 2012, when the Bush tax cuts expire (the capital gain tax included)…so he won’t be able to sell that effectively…

jimver on August 1, 2011 at 2:55 PM

Heh, Pelosi wants Obama to get involved and convince the lefties himself. She wants him to own the crap sandwich, eat the whole thing.

Schadenfreude on August 1, 2011 at 2:55 PM

do it yourself to the light bringer?

Dr Evil on August 1, 2011 at 2:55 PM

“Save me, save me, I look like the Cash for Clunkers Pimp I always was”.

Schadenfreude on August 1, 2011 at 2:58 PM

…Republicans are idiots…not sure how they ever get elected in the first place.

b4itsover on August 1, 2011 at 2:45 PM

They didn’t, we threw them out of office in ’06 and ’08, and good riddance. The only reason I voted Republican was for the tea party.

FloatingRock on August 1, 2011 at 2:59 PM

Stipid Biden “if we had our way we’d be talking about job creation”.

Schadenfreude on August 1, 2011 at 2:52 PM

Let me guess. Infrastructure, green energy, and education?

Doughboy on August 1, 2011 at 2:59 PM

Ole Joe don’t look too sho’

Nanzi is about to throw Barry under the bus. Thump.

Key West Reader on August 1, 2011 at 2:59 PM

Dr. Evil: I’m fairly sure that Pelosi’s statement is pure political theater. The Democrats should be notorious for their voting discipline. ObamaCare?

Scott H on August 1, 2011 at 2:59 PM

Stipid Biden “if we had our way we’d be talking about job creation”.

Schadenfreude on August 1, 2011 at 2:52 PM
Let me guess. Infrastructure, green energy, and education?

Doughboy on August 1, 2011 at 2:59 PM

New innovation and research so we can WTF.

Key West Reader on August 1, 2011 at 3:00 PM

Scott H on August 1, 2011 at 2:59 PM

Don’t underestimate her. She said she’d get heath care done and we swore she couldn’t… but she did.

Key West Reader on August 1, 2011 at 3:00 PM

Pelosi to her members “Vote yer conscience”, heh. May they vote him down.

Schadenfreude on August 1, 2011 at 2:50 PM

do you think they have that much conscience? :-)…funny how she forced them to vote for Oabamacare and rammed it down our collective throats, and it wasn’t a matter of voting their ‘conscience’ then :-)…

jimver on August 1, 2011 at 3:01 PM

They didn’t, we threw them out of office in ’06 and ’08, and good riddance. The only reason I voted Republican was for the tea party.

FloatingRock on August 1, 2011 at 2:59 PM

Well it looks like the fight ain’t over yet.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIPoPw9zgvQ

tencole on August 1, 2011 at 3:01 PM

but the taxes will actually go up, as soon as 2012, when the Bush tax cuts expire (the capital gain tax included)…so he won’t be able to sell that effectively…

jimver on August 1, 2011 at 2:55 PM

And when those tax hikes drag us into a depression, it will be even harder for him to sell.

jawkneemusic on August 1, 2011 at 3:02 PM

Scott H on August 1, 2011 at 2:59 PM

She wants Obama to eat his caca.

Schadenfreude on August 1, 2011 at 3:02 PM

KWR: I’m not underestimating her. I’m saying she’d say, “Vote your conscience” in public even if in private she theatened to get the representatives and their little dogs, too.

Scott H on August 1, 2011 at 3:02 PM

jimver on August 1, 2011 at 3:01 PM

Indeed, may her broom break, indefinitely.

Schadenfreude on August 1, 2011 at 3:03 PM

Boehner and House lefties have delayed press conferences.

The devil is in the details.

Schadenfreude on August 1, 2011 at 3:04 PM

It w/b sweet if Peloser would ask for time to “read the bill”.

Schadenfreude on August 1, 2011 at 3:04 PM

Wait I thought tomorrow was the end all be all of dates – they aren’t voting until tomorrow?

As much as you all dislike the House right now – the Senate is even more screwed up.

gophergirl on August 1, 2011 at 3:04 PM

She wants Obama to eat his caca.

Schadenfreude on August 1, 2011 at 3:02 PM

You’re on fire today…. Thanks for the laughs I sure need them!
……..

KWR: I’m not underestimating her. I’m saying she’d say, “Vote your conscience” in public even if in private she theatened to get the representatives and their little dogs, too.

Scott H on August 1, 2011 at 3:02 PM

I don’t think so. I still think she’s steamed over losing “her” house and by him being absent the whole time.

Key West Reader on August 1, 2011 at 3:05 PM

Storybec on August 1, 2011 at 2:51 PM

I’ve called every Rep in the State of Ohio. Told Boehner’s office to pull the bill and send Reid the CCB Part 2.

bluefox on August 1, 2011 at 3:05 PM

Biden said the “one, overwhelming, redeeming feature” of the deal is that it prevents the debt ceiling from coming up for debate again until after 2012 — “and that has nothing to do with elections.”

Oh, of course it has nothing to do with elections. The Lightbringer would never be so politically calculating. Who’s he fooling, exactly?

changer1701 on August 1, 2011 at 3:06 PM

Pelosi says vote your conscience.

To Pelosi I say, what conscience you bitter old harpy.

Bishop on August 1, 2011 at 3:06 PM

It is incredibly annoying that Fox calls taxes revenues, or revenue enhancements.

May they implode every time they say it.

Schadenfreude on August 1, 2011 at 3:06 PM

BTW, where’s OBama? Will we get another speechifying or serious remarks session?

/Oh wait… It’s Ramadan. I forgot.

Key West Reader on August 1, 2011 at 3:06 PM

I don’t think so. I still think she’s steamed over losing “her” house and by him being absent the whole time.

Key West Reader on August 1, 2011 at 3:05 PM

That he is despised more by the left, is super schadenfreudig.

Racists!

Schadenfreude on August 1, 2011 at 3:08 PM

Listening and watching Rep David Dreier on the House floor.

I was wondering how a R got elected in the state of California, not I know. Pushing for a Yes vote.

bluefox on August 1, 2011 at 3:08 PM

Pelosi says vote your conscience.

To Pelosi I say, what conscience you bitter old harpy.

Bishop on August 1, 2011 at 3:06 PM

You know you’d hit it.

fossten on August 1, 2011 at 3:08 PM

Key West Reader on August 1, 2011 at 3:06 PM

Moistening his pacifier and getting a new set of diapers on…

Schadenfreude on August 1, 2011 at 3:09 PM

I feel confident that this will pass

Nah… too easy.

Fallon on August 1, 2011 at 3:09 PM

Biden said it will pass? Good, that means it won’t. Biden has to keep up his stellar prediction percentage of always wrong.

jeffn21 on August 1, 2011 at 3:10 PM

The Obama Recession, you bone it, you own it.

Chip on August 1, 2011 at 2:36 PM

Nice, and it will fit on a t-shirt and bumper sticker.

Dr Evil on August 1, 2011 at 2:41 PM

Thank you – just thought of that and it’s a nice twist on the traditional saying incorporated with DWS’s pronouncements.

Chip on August 1, 2011 at 3:12 PM

Dr. Evil: I’m fairly sure that Pelosi’s statement is pure political theater. The Democrats should be notorious for their voting discipline. ObamaCare?

Scott H on August 1, 2011 at 2:59 PM

She want’s the speaker chair back and Obama is blocking that path with this so called compromise legislation. This isn’t going to energize the Left’s base.

The Clintons were always successful, because they could get the Indians to sacrifice themselves for the Big Chief. Barack Obama is no Bill Clinton. They targeted the Republican party to separate them from their TEA party support, but I think it might have boomeranged on them. There are cracks appearing in the Democrat’s facade. What’s bizarre that fracture is happening over something that doesn’t amount to doing anything about actual debt reduction, it just slows it down, we are walking instead of running toward bankruptcy. Why are they so unhappy? They got the can kicked to the other side of the 2012 election.

Dr Evil on August 1, 2011 at 3:13 PM

Hmmmm… Trojan Horse?

Tax Hikes ‘Impossible’ Under Debt Deal? Think Again …

Ward Cleaver on August 1, 2011 at 3:13 PM

I hope they fail.
And if Boehner fails on this vote, the only honorable thing for him to do is to commit hara kiri resign.

james23 on August 1, 2011 at 3:14 PM

The way things are going, Megyn Kelly will be covering this story when she returns to FNC next Monday.

meci on August 1, 2011 at 3:15 PM

Hmmmm… Trojan Horse?

Tax Hikes ‘Impossible’ Under Debt Deal? Think Again …

Ward Cleaver on August 1, 2011 at 3:13 PM

Shut up. This was the best we could do given the political reality. This is just the way things work in Washington. Let’s try again down the road.

fossten on August 1, 2011 at 3:16 PM

The most pathetic thing about that half witted fool Biden is that he really believes he will run for President after Obama’s second term and be elected. He doesn’t grasp what a joke almost everyone considers him to be.

Aviator on August 1, 2011 at 3:16 PM

an just how does the Wicked Witch of the West know about the concept of having a conscious?

Hening on August 1, 2011 at 3:16 PM

Dr Evil on August 1, 2011 at 3:13 PM

They know in their every fiber that he is a clinically NPD’d guy, into himself, only, sacrificing them too.

Schadenfreude on August 1, 2011 at 3:17 PM

Boehner coming up. Ger yer tissues out.

Schadenfreude on August 1, 2011 at 3:18 PM

Judge Napolitano “constitutional issue with auto-trigger”.

Schadenfreude on August 1, 2011 at 3:18 PM

You’re gonna pay, for all you white people’s transgressions over time. You remember my pappy’s colonialism, hah. What was it Rev Wright said? You did remember didn’t you…

tarpon on August 1, 2011 at 3:18 PM

Protesters shouting in the House…

equanimous on August 1, 2011 at 3:18 PM

C-span cut the audio…

equanimous on August 1, 2011 at 3:19 PM

Ward Cleaver on August 1, 2011 at 3:13 PM

Trojan Horse? Exactly. That is the correct title of this sham.

I didn’t read your link, read enough about this “deal” already to know that.

bluefox on August 1, 2011 at 3:24 PM

BTW, where’s OBama? Will we get another speechifying or serious remarks session?

/Oh wait… It’s Ramadan. I forgot.

Key West Reader on August 1, 2011 at 3:06 PM

Heh. Nice shot. He’s probably fasting.

a capella on August 1, 2011 at 3:25 PM

They know in their every fiber that he is a clinically NPD’d guy, into himself, only, sacrificing them too.

Schadenfreude on August 1, 2011 at 3:17 PM

I think this piece of crap legislation is so bad even Nan doesn’t want to get the stink on her. If everything get’s sent through a political filter before she decides – I think this one got stuck in the filter.

Dr Evil on August 1, 2011 at 3:26 PM

Schadenfreude on August 1, 2011 at 3:18 PM

C-span says Boehner will speak at 3:30PM and will be on C-span 3

bluefox on August 1, 2011 at 3:26 PM

Roy Blunt on local station KMOX right now says he’s a yes. I’m furious!

Chewy the Lab on August 1, 2011 at 3:28 PM

212-219 is the current whip count, the bill would fail if voted now.

fossten on August 1, 2011 at 2:51 PM

Link/Source?

SouthernGent on August 1, 2011 at 3:30 PM

Boehner to speak live on C-SPAN3 momentarilly.

db on August 1, 2011 at 3:30 PM

I like how those 10 year estimates work out. Here is a CBO analysis of the 2001 10 year projection. They were off by $11.8 trillion!!

bigtallgoo on August 1, 2011 at 3:31 PM

Boehner to speak live on C-SPAN3 momentarilly.

db on August 1, 2011 at 3:30 PM

Senator Tim Johnson SD who apparently has more rehab ahead of him given his halting speech.

In Washington, D.C., on December 13, 2006, during the broadcast of a live radio interview with WNAX radio in Yankton, South Dakota, Johnson suffered bleeding in the brain caused by cerebral arteriovenous malformation, a congenital problem that causes enlarged and tangled blood vessels.

But Michelle Bachmann can’t be President because she get’s migraines?

Dr Evil on August 1, 2011 at 3:37 PM

The slow motion suicide of this nation continues.

Today thanks to the cowards in Congress it picks up the pace.

God help us….AND more importantly our creditor chained Grandchildren.

PappyD61 on August 1, 2011 at 3:37 PM

SouthernGent on August 1, 2011 at 3:30 PM

I heard the same thing from Rush at the same time.

bluefox on August 1, 2011 at 3:38 PM

Cantor & Boehner is repeating the Dems talking points.

Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

bluefox on August 1, 2011 at 3:43 PM

I think this piece of crap legislation is so bad even Nan doesn’t want to get the stink on her.
Dr Evil on August 1, 2011 at 3:26 PM

lol :-) come on now, she’s done worse :)

jimver on August 1, 2011 at 3:45 PM

Biden said the “one, overwhelming, redeeming feature” of the deal is that it prevents the debt ceiling from coming up for debate again until after 2012 — “and that has nothing to do with elections.”

Joe, Joe, Joe…
Shadddaap!

golfmann on August 1, 2011 at 3:47 PM

Trying to defend the indefensible. I am so sick of hearing about no taxes/it’s not perfect.

This is pitiful, just pitiful.

They would have been better to just shut up, in my opinion.

What BBA? Good grief, haven’t they read the bullet points Boehner issued?

The CCB had All they are talking about.

bluefox on August 1, 2011 at 3:48 PM

I heard the same thing from Rush at the same time.

bluefox on August 1, 2011 at 3:38 PM

Interesting! I’m surprised it’s that close.

SouthernGent on August 1, 2011 at 3:49 PM

According to various twits the protesters were shouting “It’s time to tax the corporate profits, Boehner get on it” and carrying signs that read “create jobs”.

equanimous on August 1, 2011 at 3:49 PM

Lindsey Graham on record as a definite NO.

SouthernGent on August 1, 2011 at 3:54 PM

Did I hear correctly that one of the Repubicans in the presser (Hensarling?) claim credit for an transparency and openness? What a laugh!

For one thing, what about their promise to allow 72 hours of “transparency” while the public gets to examine all the bills before they are voted on?

What about all of the secret backroom negotiations? What about all of the lies and distortion by the Ruling Class, and in this case that was readily apparent as many Republican’s actually adopted the Left’s MSM propaganda as their own for use against the tea party “extremists”.

This sham bill is bipartisan, which means we have sham government.

FloatingRock on August 1, 2011 at 3:57 PM

She wants Obama to eat his caca.

Schadenfreude on August 1, 2011 at 3:02 PM

lol :-) nah, he’ll share with the dems…Nan will be exempt though since she had a ‘conscience’ and voted accordingly lol :-)

jimver on August 1, 2011 at 3:58 PM

I’m mobile now. Is Boehner crying yet?

Key West Reader on August 1, 2011 at 3:58 PM

Lindsey Graham on record as a definite NO.

SouthernGent on August 1, 2011 at 3:54 PM

Is up for election next year? When lindsey is to the right of mccain, you know something is up

ConservativePartyNow on August 1, 2011 at 3:59 PM

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