Boehner on debt deal: All leaders have a responsibility to make sure this passes

posted at 4:40 pm on August 1, 2011 by Tina Korbe

At a press conference this afternoon, House Speaker John Boehner said the leaders of both parties who privately agreed to the latest debt ceiling deal have a responsibility to make sure the bill passes. In general, Republican leadership sounded confident the deal will pass the House (and in a post-press-conference interview GOP presidential candidate Michele Bachmann, who plans to vote “no” on the deal, also said she expects the bill to pass).

But top House Republicans still sounded anxious to make the case for the poorly-received compromise to their conservative base. The deal represents an important directional change, they said — and tees up the fights over potential tax increases and a balanced budget amendment to come.

“When you look at what we’ve been able to achieve, we’ve been consistent,” Boehner said. “We’ve worked with our members and the American people, who have a real interest in ensuring that we don’t end up in this position again. … This is really important for our fiscal future, but it’s also important for the fact that our economy needs to get going. [We think this will lead to] more confidence for employers in America, the people we expect to reinvest in the economy.”

House Majority Leader Eric Cantor echoed Boehner in his support for the bill. Cantor also emphasized a cultural shift in the country and reiterated his opposition to tax hikes.

“By sending to Congress 87 new people, the American people have … changed the direction this country’s headed,” Cantor said. “From Day 1, this administration has been insisting that we raise taxes in order to solve this problem. … I think the big win here for us is that there are no tax hikes in this deal. I insist again that now is not the time for us to be considering tax hikes when there’s over 9 percent unemployment and too many people are out of work.”

Majority Whip Kevin McCarthy, too, said the bill represents a change.

“What a difference a year makes,” McCarthy said. “A year ago, Washington thought we needed more spending. … This bill does not give all the answers, but this bill does bring accountability. This does bring in spending controls. This does cut spending. It does not increase it. … This represents a fundamental change for this government, a fundamental change for this country.”

Budget Committee Chariman Paul Ryan reminded listeners of the distance traveled over the course of the negotiations.

“Think about where we were at the beginning of this process,” Ryan said. “We had a president asking for a blank check: He didn’t get that. We had a president who asked for tax increases: He didn’t get that. We said we wanted cuts: We got that. … We couldn’t even get caps on discretionary spending the last time Republicans were in the majority: We got that. We’ve got a long ways to go. This does not fix our problems, but the value of this Republican majority was to change the culture … in spending and that’s exactly what this bill does.”

 

 


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Doesn’t sound so promising…

PatriotRider on August 1, 2011 at 4:42 PM

He is starting to talk like Obama…

PatriotRider on August 1, 2011 at 4:43 PM

Turning a ship as large as the USS Sinkhole, takes a long time, and a lot of room.
They are right, this is something that has not been done in many, many, decades…not ideal, but a huge change and change of direction for this president, and his party.
With momentum, we can keep making those important changes, and people like Rand are a major reason, he has been the point man and has intellectually answered questions no one else in the government could or would answer.

right2bright on August 1, 2011 at 4:43 PM

Top story on FoxNews.com:

Deal’s Big Secret: Tax Hikes Possible

Bipartisan committee to be formed in debt deal would be free to look at anything to find $1.5 trillion in spending cuts — including tax revenue — contradicting claims by House Speaker Boehner that tax increases are ‘impossible’ under plan.

And here’s something else liberals are tossing around on Twitter right now:

It might be preferable to them to let the “triggers” go off — gutting national defense and cutting Medicare payments to providers — rather than agree to entitlement reform and cuts to other areas.

Thanks, John!

amerpundit on August 1, 2011 at 4:44 PM

By sending to Congress 87 new people, the American people have … changed the direction this country’s headed,” Cantor said. “From Day 1, this administration has been insisting that we raise taxes in order to solve this problem. … I think the big win here for us is that there are no tax hikes in this deal.

I just Hope that’s true or nothings Changed.

Chip on August 1, 2011 at 4:45 PM

Anyone who believes this deal will not end in tax hikes is an idiot. Really, good grief people. What is wrong with you.

j_galt on August 1, 2011 at 4:46 PM

The TEA Party dealt Boehner a royal flush and he folded anyway. A clean debt ceiling hike would be better than this sham.

FloatingRock on August 1, 2011 at 4:46 PM

This deal sux … and will blow up in John Boehner’s face.

And ours.

HondaV65 on August 1, 2011 at 4:47 PM

Wow, they really are good at shifting responsibility away from themselves. Impressive.

Dr Evil on August 1, 2011 at 4:47 PM

I fully expect every Democrat who doesn’t vote for this to be castigated by the MSM as a Taliban al Qaeda hostage-taking terrorist from the Hezbollah wing of their party.

forest on August 1, 2011 at 4:47 PM

Top story on FoxNews.com:

Deal’s Big Secret: Tax Hikes Possible

Bipartisan committee to be formed in debt deal would be free to look at anything to find $1.5 trillion in spending cuts — including tax revenue — contradicting claims by House Speaker Boehner that tax increases are ‘impossible’ under plan.

amerpundit on August 1, 2011 at 4:44 PM

They need to get out there and ‘Splain what’s going on in this regard.

Chip on August 1, 2011 at 4:48 PM

If Boehner passed a clean 6-month debt ceiling hike through the House I don’t think the Senate and WH could resist it in the court of public opinion, in spite of their protestations.

FloatingRock on August 1, 2011 at 4:48 PM

“We’ve worked with our members and the American people, who have a real interest in ensuring that we don’t end up in this position again

Don’t you really mean you worked with your members and the Dems to continue to screw over the American people and ensure that we will end up in this position again? Never let a crisis go to waste, manufactured or not!

bluemarlin on August 1, 2011 at 4:49 PM

Turning a ship as large as the USS Sinkhole, takes a long time, and a lot of room.
They are right, this is something that has not been done in many, many, decades…not ideal, but a huge change and change of direction for this president, and his party.
With momentum, we can keep making those important changes, and people like Rand are a major reason, he has been the point man and has intellectually answered questions no one else in the government could or would answer.

right2bright on August 1, 2011 at 4:43 PM

A ship has ONE captain … he calls the shots. His main objective is to keep his ship and crew safe – that is not the objective of some of our lawmakers who, over the decades you propose to solve this – will obstruct the entire way.

Additionally – since you’re comparing this to turning a ship – well, every ship I’ve been on has been able to complete any turn it set out to in considerably less than “decades”.

HondaV65 on August 1, 2011 at 4:50 PM

His agenda is to keep the government money flowin and growin. If that’s your agenda, you’ve got yourself a winner in Boner.

james23 on August 1, 2011 at 4:50 PM

forest on August 1, 2011 at 4:47 PM

Please refrain from calling democrats terrorists. That has been reserved for the TEA PARTY members and their supporters.

Thank you
Joe Biden

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0811/60421.html

milwife88 on August 1, 2011 at 4:52 PM

It’s a sucky deal, but we’ve got a sucky President and a sucky Senate, so what are you going to do?

It’s a good start towards 2012, in that the liberals are screaming for more money for government, and Republicans are showing themselves to be determined but willing to compromise when needed to avoid disaster.

pedestrian on August 1, 2011 at 4:52 PM

Boehner on debt deal: All leaders have a responsibility to make sure this passes

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But passes for what? A nothing burger to make the credit agencies happy?

Dr Evil on August 1, 2011 at 4:53 PM

Apparently Boehner’s promise to allow at least 72 hours for the public to review bills before they’re voted on was every bit as much of a sham as this bill.

FloatingRock on August 1, 2011 at 4:53 PM

Can someone ask Boehner how much the baseline budget has been reduced…

… or name a single wasteful government program that has been cut?

Seven Percent Solution on August 1, 2011 at 4:53 PM

Top story on FoxNews.com:

Deal’s Big Secret: Tax Hikes Possible

Bipartisan committee to be formed in debt deal would be free to look at anything to find $1.5 trillion in spending cuts — including tax revenue — contradicting claims by House Speaker Boehner that tax increases are ‘impossible’ under plan.

Now for the good part and how the bill is set up:

Boehner is able to claim no tax hikes are possible because the committee would work off the assumption that the Bush tax cuts — all of them — will expire in 2013. Combined with other expiring provisions, that adds up to $3.5 trillion in tax hikes over the next decade, without the committee taking any action.

This is once big giant piece of crap. The GOP are sell-outs and the American people got nothing for any of this – NOTHING. I don’t care if the right of left foot kicks the can down the road, accountability is gone, and in this case both feet are kicking and kicking often.

Shame on anyone who gets fooled by the BS.

gmerits on August 1, 2011 at 4:53 PM

Additionally – since you’re comparing this to turning a ship – well, every ship I’ve been on has been able to complete any turn it set out to in considerably less than “decades”.

HondaV65 on August 1, 2011 at 4:50 PM

Not to mention, why the frack do you try to turn a ship that has almost completed a full circle anyway.

j_galt on August 1, 2011 at 4:53 PM

“With momentum, we can keep making those important changes, and people like Rand are a major reason, he has been the point man and has intellectually answered questions no one else in the government could or would answer.

right2bright on August 1, 2011 at 4:43 PM”

What momentum? We are moving backwards to the tune of 7-8 trillion over the next few years, if the loons don’t find ways better ways to spend more. The GOP leadership still refuses to fight and there is no gaurantee conservatives will have control of anything in 2012.

Africanus on August 1, 2011 at 4:53 PM

Boehner is a worthless, double-crossing weasel. I have said before, there is no spine in the Republican Party except for the Tea Party, and there will not be the courage to do what needs to be done to save the Republic. As evidence, I offer this parody of a “deal”. The only deal here is for the elites and Obama. The taxpayers, as usual, end up footing the bill.

Want to see our future? Look at Greece.

hachiban on August 1, 2011 at 4:54 PM

KILL THE BILL!

There are a) no spending cuts and b) hidden tax increases!

STOP MAKING DEALS WITH THE DEMOCRATS!

fossten on August 1, 2011 at 4:54 PM

It’s a sucky deal, but we’ve got a sucky President and a sucky Senate, so what are you going to do?

pedestrian on August 1, 2011 at 4:52 PM

Fight?

Oh, I see.

Surrender?

fossten on August 1, 2011 at 4:55 PM

They need to get out there and ‘Splain what’s going on in this regard.

Chip on August 1, 2011 at 4:48 PM

No they don’t.

When have any of our self-proclaimed royalty “explained” anything in words that weren’t blatant lies? Boehner has outdone himself, telling more untruths in less time than anyone save, perhaps, Osama Obama, Nanzi Pelosi and Harry Reid.

They have to pass this in order for us to see what’s in it, you know. When the time comes, they will tell us how wonderful it is for the nation that they have jumped off the financial cliff For Us.

If they need your money more than you do — and they do; just ask them — they’ll go ahead and take it. For the Children, Elderly and Poor.

Also for unions, ACORN members, terrorists around the world and a connected few corrupt companies.

MrScribbler on August 1, 2011 at 4:55 PM

The GOP are sell-outs and the American people got nothing for any of this – NOTHING. I don’t care if the right of left foot kicks the can down the road, accountability is gone, and in this case both feet are kicking and kicking often.

Shame on anyone who gets fooled by the BS.

gmerits on August 1, 2011 at 4:53 PM

GOP sellouts?!? I’m shocked! Shocked, I am!

j_galt on August 1, 2011 at 4:55 PM

Wow, they really are good at shifting responsibility away from themselves. Impressive.

Dr Evil on August 1, 2011 at 4:47 PM

Not only that, by demanding fiscal responsibility and a balanced budget from my elected “leaders”, I’m now considered a f#ckin’ terrorist, an enemy of the state.

Jerome Horwitz on August 1, 2011 at 4:56 PM

Lon Chaney on August1, 2011 at 4:51 PM

100% correct.

I’m astounded that they can get up there and simply lie based upon what we’re actually learning about what’s included in the bill.

Midas on August 1, 2011 at 4:56 PM

Seven Percent Solution on August 1, 2011 at 4:53 PM

See now you’re just geting bogged down in the details. We will have to pass the bill in order to see what lovely little tidbits are in it. Kind of like Obamacare. A new surprise every day! Like Christmas without the presents, just more bills.

milwife88 on August 1, 2011 at 4:56 PM

The CBO scored it – it’s not 2.4 trillion it’s 2.1 trillion over 10 years.

Dr Evil on August 1, 2011 at 4:57 PM

Biden calls tea party terrorists. This is not going to help this get passed

ConservativePartyNow on August 1, 2011 at 4:57 PM

there is no gaurantee conservatives will have control of anything in 2012.

Africanus on August 1, 2011 at 4:53 PM

But we’re gonna win 2012!!!11!!!!!!1 Then we’ll start changing things!!111!!!!!

j_galt on August 1, 2011 at 4:57 PM

FROM THE HALLS OF MONTEZUMA,TO THE SHORES OF TRIPOLI,
WE HAVE LOST THE FINAL BATTLE TO KEEP THIS COUNTRY FREE,
THE FOUNDING FATHERS WARNED US,TO KEEP OUR POWDER DRY,
BUT THE PROCEEDING GENERATIONS DIDN’T EVEN TRY,
NOW WE REAP THE WHIRLWIND FROM THE SHORES OF D.C.

THE DESIRE FOR THE GOVERNMENT TIT WAS IMPOSSIBLE TO OVERCOME,
THERE WERE TOO MANY FREE RIDERS, WILLING TO SUCCUMB,
WITH WILLING HANDS AND EMPTY MINDS,THEY FORGED THEIR OWN CHAINS,
THERE WAS A NEVER ENDING DEMAND TO THEIR ONGOING CLAIMS,
MAY THEY ROT IN HELL FOREVER FOR THAT WHICH THEY HAVE DONE.

THIS GRAND ILLUSION OF “DEMOCRACY” IS FINALLY BEING EXPOSED,
A FRAUD OF DECEPTION THAT IS NOW BEING DISCLOSED,
AN OPIATE FOR THE MASSES IT IS NOW PLAIN TO SEE,
IT WAS NEVER THE PANACEA, DESIGNED TO KEEP US FREE,
THE OLIGARCHS KNEW THIS, AND TOOK ADVANTAGE WHILE WE DOZED.

AND THE PEOPLE ACCEPTED THEIR SLAVERY,WITH BARELY A RIPPLE,
THERE WAS A WILLING CONTESTANT FOR EVERY GOVERNMENT NIPPLE,
DEEPER INTO THE BOG, WE RODE THE TIGER OF DEPENDENCY,
WHILE ALL THE WHILE THE STATE GAINED IT’S ASCENDENCY,
AND THE SPIRIT OF THE NATION IT DID CRIPPLE.

WITH THESE CRUTCHES OF DEPENDENCY,THE PEOPLE ARE ENTHRALLED,
THEY DON’T MIND THEIR CHAINS WHEN PROPERLY INSTALLED,
IT’S “FOR YOUR OWN GOOD” DON’T YOU SEE,
DO NOT WORRY, WE’LL TAKE CARE OF THEE,
TO THIS TURN OF EVENTS THE FRAMERS WOULD BE APPALLED.

InkyBinkyBarleyBoo on August 1, 2011 at 4:57 PM

Get on the phone to Washington. Melt the lines. This is the last chance to scare these worthless “representatives” within an inch of their … re-elections.

Otherwise, we’re screwed. Hello Greece.

hachiban on August 1, 2011 at 4:58 PM

milwife88 on August 1, 2011 at 4:52 PM

Thanks for the link. This is one of the awesomest quotes I’ve seen in while:

“We have negotiated with terrorists,” an angry Doyle said, according to sources in the room. “This small group of terrorists have made it impossible to spend any money.”

forest on August 1, 2011 at 4:59 PM

[amerpundit on August 1, 2011 at 4:44 PM]

Of course it’s possible, Amerpundit, but that doesn’t mean it will happen. Depends on who we put on the committee, which if those from our side are the right people, tax increases are not going to make it out of committee and the people free to look at tax hikes will be the ineffectual liberals from their side.

One thing that must be noted is tax increases found by the committee, if any, will not count towards the spending cuts that are required to be found by the committee since anything classified as a spending cuts has to be measured against the baseline of current law.

Dusty on August 1, 2011 at 5:00 PM

Time to vote for a new Speaker. Boehner – what a loser.

Sporty1946 on August 1, 2011 at 5:00 PM

Anyone who believes this deal will not end in tax hikes is an idiot. Really, good grief people. What is wrong with you.

j_galt on August 1, 2011 at 4:46 PM

Virtually everyone here predicted it would START with a tax increase. And that has not happened. A whole bunch of very unlikely things have to happen before this ends in a tax increase.

Isn’t it just a tiny bit possible that a Republican House really is holding the line on taxes, and will continue to? I know it messes up all the grumpiness around here, but jeez.

rockmom on August 1, 2011 at 5:01 PM

All leaders have a responsibility to make sure this passes

Any TRUE LEADER who loves America would die before passing this POS!!!

What is heroic about a public capitulation to “Perpetual Spending with No Limits”????

We need to replace TWO incompetent “leaders”: Obama and Boehner

landlines on August 1, 2011 at 5:02 PM

The bill isn’t that long, folks. Go read it yourself. There is no excuse for anyone voting for or against this bill and claiming later they didn’t know what was in it. It is a far cry from Obamacare or Dodd-Frank.

rockmom on August 1, 2011 at 5:04 PM

Now all we have to do is find a leader.

Bishop on August 1, 2011 at 5:05 PM

“Think about where we were at the beginning of this process,” Ryan said. “We had a president asking for a blank check: He didn’t get that.

You didn’t give him a blank check, you gave him a check for over two trillion dollars. That’s suicide. You’ve ensured he now has enough money to implement the final stake in the heart of America … ObamaCare.

darwin on August 1, 2011 at 5:05 PM

Surrender?

fossten on August 1, 2011 at 4:55 PM

Any taxes that are raised can be cut in 2013. The priority has to be to win both sides of Congress and the presidency in 2012, for too many reasons to list here. To win the war we need to keep a defensible border until reinforcements arrive.

If we don’t make a deal now, the Democrats could use the delay as an excuse to make a deal that is based on the Pelosi side of the House with payoffs to enough RINO districts to buy big tax increases and lock in more spending.

pedestrian on August 1, 2011 at 5:07 PM

Now for the good part and how the bill is set up:

Boehner is able to claim no tax hikes are possible because the committee would work off the assumption that the Bush tax cuts — all of them — will expire in 2013. Combined with other expiring provisions, that adds up to $3.5 trillion in tax hikes over the next decade, without the committee taking any action.

[gmerits on August 1, 2011 at 4:53 PM]

Well, the Bush tax cuts were going to expire in Jan 2013 anyway, so there was no difference and Boehner is correct in saying this bill doesn’t increase taxes.

We just dealt with the Bush Tax hikes a few months ago and the Dems backed down from their initial refusal to extend them. This will happen again and then we’ll argue about excepting taxes on the wealthy again and then they’ll back down again.

Dusty on August 1, 2011 at 5:07 PM

Isn’t it just a tiny bit possible that a Republican House really is holding the line on taxes, and will continue to? I know it messes up all the grumpiness around here, but jeez.

rockmom on August 1, 2011 at 5:01 PM

Sure. It’s possible. Anything is possible.

j_galt on August 1, 2011 at 5:08 PM

Now all we have to do is find a leader.

Bishop on August 1, 2011 at 5:05 PM

Palin 2012!

ConservativePartyNow on August 1, 2011 at 5:08 PM

Depends on who we put on the committee, which if those from our side are the right people, tax increases are not going to make it out of committee and the people free to look at tax hikes will be the ineffectual liberals from their side.

Dusty on August 1, 2011 at 5:00 PM

Yep, because neither did Obamacare.

Oh wait…

fossten on August 1, 2011 at 5:08 PM

We just dealt with the Bush Tax hikes a few months ago and the Dems backed down from their initial refusal to extend them. This will happen again and then we’ll argue about excepting taxes on the wealthy again and then they’ll back down again.

Dusty on August 1, 2011 at 5:07 PM

Not if Obama wins reelection, which Boehner is about to help him do by giving him cover with a big debt ceiling increase.

fossten on August 1, 2011 at 5:09 PM

Now all we have to do is find a leader.

Bishop on August 1, 2011 at 5:05 PM

You got that right. What this episode proves more than anything is that we really should throw all of them out and start over again. Bill Buckley was right – I would rather turn this government over to the first 500 names in the Boston phone book.

We won’t get serious changes in policy unless we elect more polticians who are serious.

rockmom on August 1, 2011 at 5:10 PM

PatriotRider on August 1, 2011 at 4:43 PM

Sounding like Obama, LOL I agree. That presser was worthless.

The only reason we don’t have Boehner plan 5.0 is that the W.H. & Reid got everything they wanted, LOL

bluefox on August 1, 2011 at 5:12 PM

Now all we have to do is find a leader.

Bishop on August 1, 2011 at 5:05 PM

You hit another homerun…

Fallon on August 1, 2011 at 5:12 PM

I’m beginning to hate this Boehner fellow. He seems to be able to do the DC-doublespeak-shuffle better than most.

For the folks trying to keep score at home:

“spending cuts” = slight decreases in the expected spending increases, which still yields more spending than today. Oh, they also don’t even begin to take effect until 2013 or so.

“no new taxes” = expiration of the Bush tax cuts, which will actually be one of the largest one-time tax increases in history.

So… we’re giving Obama a few trillion dollars for his re-election slush fund, and in return we’re getting a) no spending cuts, and b) tax increases.

Wow, that’s just… awesome, isn’t it? Sure am glad the GOP won a landslide victory in 2010, or this might’ve been worse… somehow? I guess the spending could’ve been a bald-faced increase instead – at least it’d be the Dems stabbing us and probably at least telling us about it rather than our own people lying to us about it. And if we’re not actually cutting spending, it’s not going to much matter anyway – whether we hit the brick wall at 200mph and accelerating under the Dems or 199mph and accelerating just a tad less under the GOP really won’t matter much.

Midas on August 1, 2011 at 5:13 PM

Boehner on debt deal: All leaders have a responsibility to make sure this passes

Boehner,

“You arrogant ass! You’ve killed us!”

bluemarlin on August 1, 2011 at 5:14 PM

Not if Obama wins reelection, which Boehner is about to help him do by giving him cover with a big debt ceiling increase.

fossten on August 1, 2011 at 5:09 PM

Boehner has Obama cornered into campaigning for big tax increases in the midst of a Presidential election, when he has already extended the Bush cuts. If we can’t beat him in under these conditions, we might as well just stay home.

pedestrian on August 1, 2011 at 5:14 PM

Yep, because neither did Obamacare.

Oh wait…

[fossten on August 1, 2011 at 5:08 PM]

What the heck are you talking about with the “Obamacare” line? What equally-numbered-from-both-sides committee considered Obamacare and passed it out to be voted on by Congress?

You do pretty good work in moving the grounds for debate with your extremist rhetoric, which I thank you for, but only when you stick to using facts.

Dusty on August 1, 2011 at 5:15 PM

right2bright

Right you are.

tree hugging sister on August 1, 2011 at 5:15 PM

I don’t know what to hope for at this point. No matter what happens I hope it passes or fails on a bipartisan basis.

E L Frederick (Sniper One) on August 1, 2011 at 5:15 PM

Apparently Boehner’s promise to allow at least 72 hours for the public to review bills before they’re voted on was every bit as much of a sham as this bill.

FloatingRock on August 1, 2011 at 4:53 PM

Thanks for the reminder! I forgot about this – probably
because 1) I thought 72 hours wasn’t enough – I wanted
2 weeks and 2) I thought it wouldn’t happen anways.

Amjean on August 1, 2011 at 5:17 PM

Heh, so no true spending cuts and the debt ceiling is raised. WooHoo!

Spend that money repubs, you’re as good as the whig party now.

MadDogF on August 1, 2011 at 5:17 PM

Boehner on debt deal: All leaders have a responsibility to make sure this passes

Responsible American leaders do not help lead America off a cliff.

Lon Chaney on August 1, 2011 at 5:17 PM

Chip on August 1, 2011 at 4:45 PM

We could confiscate all the current tax money coming in monthly and never could solve this issue. What is Cantor talking about? Last I heard we’ll get around 200 billion in August 2011. If we could solve this problem that way, then why are we in debt and now need a debt-ceiling increase?

Why are we borrowing money?

bluefox on August 1, 2011 at 5:18 PM

Not if Obama wins reelection, which Boehner is about to help him do by giving him cover with a big debt ceiling increase.

[fossten on August 1, 2011 at 5:09 PM]

That’s merely your opinion, a faulty one at that, and I disagree with it, but you’re free to continue to sell it.

Dusty on August 1, 2011 at 5:19 PM

All leader lemmings have a responsibility to make sure all their followers go over the cliff with them!

ajacksonian on August 1, 2011 at 5:19 PM

They need to get out there and ‘Splain what’s going on in this regard.

Chip on August 1, 2011 at 4:48 PM

No they don’t.

When have any of our self-proclaimed royalty “explained” anything in words that weren’t blatant lies? Boehner has outdone himself, telling more untruths in less time than anyone save, perhaps, Osama Obama, Nanzi Pelosi and Harry Reid.

They have to pass this in order for us to see what’s in it, you know. When the time comes, they will tell us how wonderful it is for the nation that they have jumped off the financial cliff For Us.

If they need your money more than you do — and they do; just ask them — they’ll go ahead and take it. For the Children, Elderly and Poor.

Also for unions, ACORN members, terrorists around the world and a connected few corrupt companies.

MrScribbler on August 1, 2011 at 4:55 PM

I just meant that if they expect us to support this, they had better show us what it does and what it doesn’t do.

As for not trusting them… well, they have a long history to back up that assertion.

The left thinks that they have permanent claim on the fruits of your labor, well in the end there is only one way to enforce that claim.

Chip on August 1, 2011 at 5:19 PM

Palin 2012!
ConservativePartyNow on August 1, 2011 at 5:08 PM

Nope.

Castle/Specter 2012

Bishop on August 1, 2011 at 5:19 PM

forest on August 1, 2011 at 4:47 PM

My wish right now is that the Dems would all vote against it and with the Tea Party no votes it would go down in flames!!

I know, day dreaming, LOL

bluefox on August 1, 2011 at 5:21 PM

What was it that YT video stated:

If the feds completely stopped spending on everything, and I mean everything, and then made daily $100 million payments on the current deficit, it would take 382 years to pay it off.

Surely you can wait 382 years for the nation to get back on its feet, right?

Bishop on August 1, 2011 at 5:22 PM

Biden calls the Tea Party terrorists for not wanting to raise the debt limit. Boehner twists the Tea Party/conservative members arms, threatens them and tells them to get their asses in line and vote for this crap sandwich and they do nothing to prevent the downgrade of the credit rating. This will force interest rates up and then they will have raise the ceiling again sooner.

To all of you who support this: You are anti-America and you can BITE ME!

Sporty1946 on August 1, 2011 at 5:22 PM

pedestrian on August 1, 2011 at 4:52 PM

Are you a member of the Boehner caucus? If so, I missed you, LOL

bluefox on August 1, 2011 at 5:23 PM

We voters are like spouses with cheating husbands/wives. We keep forgiving them, trying to explain away, perhaps if we scream and yell or have an adult conversation they will listen and change, etc. They
pay a little attention to us and we fall for the lies once again.

Ain’t happening. We need to quit making excuses for the
rinos and repub estabs, we need to quit trying to make
friends with the enemies(libs, dems, etc.) and start playing hardball.

We need to have a massive conservative uprising in 2012
and vote the bastards out. We need to have conservative
candidates that we nationally contribute to individually,
not through any group, whether it be repub or Tea Party.
This is our last change I am afraid. After 2012 I feel it
is all over.

Amjean on August 1, 2011 at 5:24 PM

Boehner on debt deal: All leaders have a responsibility to make sure this passes

There are only two outcomes:

1. If it doesn’t pass, Boehner looks like a jerk.
2. If it does pass, Boehner looks like a jerk.

Emperor Norton on August 1, 2011 at 5:24 PM

The Three Stooges: Boehner, Cantor and McCarthy.

bw222 on August 1, 2011 at 5:25 PM

I wonder what part of “… we are currently $14 Trillion dollars in debt.” that Boehner doesn’t understand…?

Seven Percent Solution on August 1, 2011 at 5:25 PM

We won’t get serious changes in policy unless we elect more polticians who are serious.

rockmom on August 1, 2011 at 5:10 PM

Even when we do that, send so many it’s historic, the corrupt establishment still gets to them. We only have 22 in the House who kept their word, which I think is about 25%.

With a failure rate of ~75% combined with the fact that there is so little time does not bode well for the future.

FloatingRock on August 1, 2011 at 5:25 PM

BOEHNER HAS TO GO. He’s a RINO.

CUT CAP BALANCE THE BUDGET

VOTE NO – SHUT IT DOWN.

OBAMA HAS NO CARDS TO PLAY AND HE WINS WITH THIS BILL.

IlonaE on August 1, 2011 at 5:26 PM

“When you look at what we’ve been able to achieve, we’ve been consistent,

That speaks volumes.

You are the same people who helped to get us into this mess and yes, you’ve been consistently digging us deeper into the freaking pit of hell!

I listened to what Rush had to say today…. I admit I didn’t get to listen to it all.. but this is crap! The Bush tax cuts could go! It’s all crap!

We have got to get rid of Boehner and McConnell and all these other aging dinosaurs! They are the ones who held Democrats hands.. did all the freaking compromising to get us to this point. Why in the heck should we expect any of them to be able to change colors now and have more courage than they have ever yet been able to display?!

We cannot have a return to free markets and a balanced budget while being lead by the same incompetents who got us here in the first place!

Boehner and McConnell and whatever leftover relics are in charge in the current crop of GOP are the Paul von Hindenburg’s of our day!

JellyToast on August 1, 2011 at 5:29 PM

OBAMA HAS NO CARDS TO PLAY AND HE WINS WITH THIS BILL.

IlonaE on August 1, 2011 at 5:26 PM

No cards at all. Obama’s plan is to use the MSM to cheat.

FloatingRock on August 1, 2011 at 5:29 PM

Chip on August 1, 2011 at 4:45 PM

We could confiscate all the current tax money coming in monthly and never could solve this issue. What is Cantor talking about? Last I heard we’ll get around 200 billion in August 2011. If we could solve this problem that way, then why are we in debt and now need a debt-ceiling increase?

Why are we borrowing money?

bluefox on August 1, 2011 at 5:18 PM

The Circumstantial evidence at hand would strongly lead one to believe that the purpose is to either force a crisis whereby a massive redistribution of wealth would have to be implemented in order to pay the debt and avert a Serious Crisis.

Or it would seem like the left would like to collapse the system using excessive spending and Oppressive taxation whereby they can institute a Marxist ‘Utopia’.

What other conclusion is there?

Chip on August 1, 2011 at 5:30 PM

“Think about where we were at the beginning of this process,” Ryan said. “We had a president asking for a blank check: He didn’t get that. We had a president who asked for tax increases: He didn’t get that. We said we wanted cuts: We got that. … We couldn’t even get caps on discretionary spending the last time Republicans were in the majority: We got that. We’ve got a long ways to go. This does not fix our problems, but the value of this Republican majority was to change the culture … in spending and that’s exactly what this bill does.”

Sounds like a die-hard Lions fan after his team plays Ryan’s beloved Packers: “We were down by 35 points at one time, but only lost by 28. That’s real progress.”

bw222 on August 1, 2011 at 5:31 PM

IlonaE on August 1, 2011 at 5:26 PM

I CAN’T HEAR YOU. COULD YOU SPEAK UP?

a capella on August 1, 2011 at 5:32 PM

InkyBinkyBarleyBoo on August 1, 2011 at 4:57 PM

Sad, but nicely put. Where is a Patton when you need one?

bluefox on August 1, 2011 at 5:33 PM

Are you a member of the Boehner caucus? If so, I missed you, LOL

bluefox on August 1, 2011 at 5:23 PM

I was very critical of him until this final deal. I think it shows a lot of cleverness. As long as conservatives control the House we can prevent anything worse than the expiring of the Bush tax cuts, and so this deal is as good as we are going to get. To get anything better we must win in 2012.

pedestrian on August 1, 2011 at 5:33 PM

The GOP thanks your for your additional 87 members and appreciate your input.

Now shut up and do as we say.

Oil Can on August 1, 2011 at 5:34 PM

“Think about where we were at the beginning of this process,” Ryan said. “We had a president asking for a blank check: He didn’t get that.

Please, give Obama a clean bill, (for 1-6 mo), it’s better than this POS compromise. The Democrats had their way with you, fellas.

FloatingRock on August 1, 2011 at 5:35 PM

John, we hardly knew ya. Oh well. That was your decision to make. Bye.

MikeA on August 1, 2011 at 5:36 PM

Sporty1946 on August 1, 2011 at 5:00 PM

My choice for a new Speaker is Jim Jordan of Ohio. His district is next to Boehner’s. All he’d have to do is move into Boehner’s district and run against him.

There has been talk of re-districing Jim Jordan out. He and his members have opposed Boehner.

bluefox on August 1, 2011 at 5:37 PM

re-districting, sorry for the sp error.

bluefox on August 1, 2011 at 5:37 PM

“Think about where we were at the beginning of this process,” Ryan said. “We had a president asking for a blank check: He didn’t get that.

True – he got a check for $2.8trillion. I guess this is better than a blank one?

We had a president who asked for tax increases: He didn’t get that.

Yes, he did; call me when you manage to keep the Bush tax cuts in place despite the fact that you just agreed to let them expire (hint: this is a tax increase).

We said we wanted cuts: We got that.

No, you didn’t. Reduction in the rate of increase, such that spending does actually increase, is not a ‘cut’, sir. And if the total amount of this gimmick is less than 1/10th of the amount that this deal will allow to be added to the deficit in 10 years, it’s not a cut. *And* if it relies on future Congress’ to make it happen, not to mention actually counting the non-spending of monies we weren’t going to spend anyway, well…

Mr. Ryan, stop pissing on my leg and telling me it’s rain, k?

Midas on August 1, 2011 at 5:38 PM

and reiterated his opposition to tax hikes.

You lie.
So the expiration of the “Bush” tax cuts don’t qualify as a tax hike. This is built into the CBO scoring of the savings in this cr*p sandwich with an order of sh*t fries on the side deal.

chemman on August 1, 2011 at 5:44 PM

Anyone who believes this deal will not end in tax hikes is an idiot. Really, good grief people. What is wrong with you.

j_galt on August 1, 2011 at 4:46 PM

Under current law, the Bush tax cuts will expire at the end of 2012. Thus, whether or not this bill passed, we have huge tax hikes on the horizon absent contrary Congressional action. In short: we were already going to have a “do we raise taxes?” fight next year, and this bill really doesn’t change that.

Outlander on August 1, 2011 at 5:44 PM

“You arrogant ass! You’ve killed us!”

bluemarlin on August 1, 2011 at 5:14 PM

Nothing like being torpedoed by one of your “own”…

Gohawgs on August 1, 2011 at 5:45 PM

You got that right. What this episode proves more than anything is that we really should throw all of them out and start over again. Bill Buckley was right – I would rather turn this government over to the first 500 names in the Boston phone book.

We won’t get serious changes in policy unless we elect more polticians who are serious.

rockmom on August 1, 2011 at 5:10 PM

PatriotRider on August 1, 2011 at 4:43 PM

No! No! No! I live in the Socialist State of Massachusetts… you might as well turn it over to the first 500 people in the Berkeley phone book…

:)

OnlyOrange on August 1, 2011 at 5:46 PM

As long as conservatives control the House we can prevent anything worse than the expiring of the Bush tax cuts, and so this deal is as good as we are going to get. To get anything better we must win in 2012.

pedestrian on August 1, 2011 at 5:33 PM

Thanks goodness we’ll be able to prevent something worse than the largest tax increase in history! *phew*

As for having to win in 2012 to get anything better, I just don’t believe that. There’s no reason to; we’ve seen time and again that even when in the majority the GOP seems to not have the balls to do what’s right, and the country simply continues to march to the left.

How do the Dems do that, when *they* are in the minority, yet when the GOP wins a landslide victory and retakes the House, well that’s just not enough, we have to win the Senate the the WH too or we can’t get anything done? How has this country gotten anything done in the past? Most of the time a single party doesn’t control the House/Senate/WH all at the same time…

I know, maybe if we win the WH, Senate, House, get all nine SC justices, all 50 governerships… *then* can we win? Or will the response be that “without all of the state houses too, we simply don’t have the mandate we need – maybe next election!”

Meh. The GOP had incredible leverage *now*, right freaking *now* and didn’t use it. Squared off against a WH and Senate that weren’t doing their jobs, the House ran into some unfavorable press and wilted, pure and simple. They haven’t done a number of things we sent them to do in November (hey, how’s that promise not to fund ObamaCare going?).

Midas on August 1, 2011 at 5:46 PM

Midas on August 1, 2011 at 5:38 PM

:)

As I posted on another site those who continue with following Wimpy Economics are both my political enemies and my mortal enemies for insuring the penury slavery of my progeny to the nth generation to maintain the current evil spending levels.

chemman on August 1, 2011 at 5:47 PM

From the WH website:

Enforcement mechanism established to force all parties – Republican and Democrat – to agree to balanced deficit reduction. If Committee fails, enforcement mechanism will trigger spending reductions beginning in 2013 – split 50/50 between domestic and defense spending. Enforcement protects Social Security, Medicare beneficiaries, and low-income programs from any cuts.

Half the cuts from our military and half from domestic? What we spend on defense is miniscule compared to Domestic. Our military will be gutted!

And for this we should thank Boehner?

JellyToast on August 1, 2011 at 5:48 PM

Under current law, the Bush tax cuts will expire at the end of 2012. Thus, whether or not this bill passed, we have huge tax hikes on the horizon absent contrary Congressional action. In short: we were already going to have a “do we raise taxes?” fight next year, and this bill really doesn’t change that.

Outlander on August 1, 2011 at 5:44 PM

Except, of course, that now the GOP will be on record *agreeing* to let them expire (if they sign off on this bill), rather than enter that fight on record as *disagreeing*. Won’t they look a little stupid to sign off now, and then try to fight to prevent them from expiring later? *nod your head up and down in the ‘yes, yes they will’ motion*

How will the Dems/media spin that one? I won’t be surprised to find that they don’t have much of a stomach for trying to prevent the expiraton when it comes.

Midas on August 1, 2011 at 5:50 PM

chemman on August 1, 2011 at 5:47 PM

Agreed 100%

Midas on August 1, 2011 at 5:51 PM

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