Open thread: House to vote on Reid’s debt bill — before he offers it; Update: 43 GOP senators sign letter opposing Reid’s bill; Update: House defeats Reid’s bill, 173/246 — with Democratic help

posted at 1:41 pm on July 30, 2011 by Allahpundit

The vote’s set for 2:15 p.m. ET or shortly thereafter. With the outcome assured, why bother going through the motions and formally administering the coup de grace? Simple: Reid’s going to call a cloture vote on something at around 1 a.m. ET tonight (he has to do so for procedural reasons in order to beat the clock on Tuesday), and if he can’t hammer out a deal with McConnell before then, he might be tempted to call Senate Republicans’ bluff by offering his own bill as it currently stands and daring them to filibuster it. Boehner wants to discourage that by killing that bill now and forcing him, at the very least, to present something tonight that’s more favorable to Republicans.

Per the last link, an intriguing hint that Senate Dems might cave at the last second:

Reid, a canny legislative infighter, appears to be leaving himself a safety valve, however: The Democratic leader has set an evening Senate vote that essentially would leave Boehner’s bill on parliamentary life support — leaving Senate leaders the option of revive it at the last minute if no other deal to raise the debt ceiling is reached.

I assume that means they might strip out the BBA and pass the rest of Boehner’s bill as is, and then hope that Boehner can get a few Democrats to join him next time in passing that through the House. Meanwhile, what happens if Reid’s bill fails tonight? Well, then things get messy: “Even if a bipartisan accord is reached when the Senate is in the cloture process, Reid would need unanimous consent to swap in any compromise measure, an unlikely scenario given the passions in the fight.” I.e. DeMint or Rand Paul could block any new compromise bill before Tuesday on their own, which means it’s now or never. No wonder veteran lawmakers are starting to think they won’t make the deadline. We’ll know more soon: Reid’s called a presser for 3 p.m. ET, no doubt to whine about the House shooting his own bill down.

It’s going to be a long day, so here’s your thread. Stand by for updates, and if you missed Ed’s post this morning about Reid’s new and “improved” bill, read that for essential background. In fact, it’s even less improved than you think: According to CBO, the total savings in the new bill are the same as the savings in the previous version. Exit question: Would DeMint or Paul really hold out on their own and make Treasury hit the ceiling if a bipartisan deal’s been brokered? I’m guessing they’d force Reid to grant them some sort of vote, maybe on a balanced-budget amendment, as their price for relenting.

Update: Another exit question for you. How long will it be today before we hear the first whispers about a two- or three-day debt-ceiling hike in order to keep negotiations going? If Reid’s deadline for passing something really is 1 a.m., he’d better have a bill to that effect ready to go.

Update: Via John McCormack, Senate Republicans have sent a letter to Reid urging him not to waste his time with the current bill. But there’s a hitch:

43 GOP senators sign bill saying they oppose Reid bill. Brown, Collins, Snowe, Murkowski didn’t sign it.

Last I heard, Joe Manchin is still a no so Reid is stuck at 56. Anyone think Manchin will hold out, though, if Reid can get to 59 with Republicans?

Update: That’s that. Reid’s bill burns in the House, 173/246 — with 11 Democrats voting no. Not sure who they are yet; probably liberals who were unhappy with his cuts-only approach, but we’ll see when the roll comes out. A curious detail: Two Republicans initially voted yes before changing their votes. Stand by while we wait to find out who they are.

Update: Reid and Pelosi are on their way to the White House for a huddle with The One.

Update: Here’s the House roll. The 11 Democrats who voted no: Barrow, Boren, Braley, Loebsack, Matheson, McIntyre, Peterson, Ross (AR), Schrader, Visclosky, and, er, David Wu. So it wasn’t just liberals in opposition.

Update: Hmmmmm:

McConnell says he’s now “fully engaged” with POTUS; the dance is done. The dealing has begun

Update: As of 4 p.m. ET, things are starting to move:

Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Kentucky, said Saturday afternoon that he had talked to President Barack Obama and Vice President Joe Biden “within the last hour” and is “confident and optimistic” that there will be an “agreement within the very near future.”

A national default “is not going to happen,” McConnell said.

Update: Late-afternoon news from Politico: Republican moderates are warning Boehner that they don’t intend to take this plunge alone.

“House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) met Saturday with a group of two or three dozen moderates, who told him they want a debt-limit deal that attracts a broad swath of Republicans, not just Democrats and a handful of centrists.

According to participants, Boehner agreed with the premise: It’s not tenable for him to move forward on a bill that only gets support from a small portion of the Republican Conference.”

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The only reason the R’s and D’s won’t contemplate a clean bill at this point is because they each want to “win” whatever it is they think they’re fighting about. What’s odd about it is they all see to be fighting about essentially the same thing, but while the Democrats promises always seem to come true, more taxes and spending, the Republican promises never do, like spending cuts.

We’re even called names when we expect them to do their duty and keep their promises.

Instead of letting Democrats get their tax increases in exchange for nonexistent spending cuts, (which is the inevitable result of this), I would rather just have a clean bill.

No real taxes in trade for unreal spending cuts.

Doesn’t that make sense?

Sure, if Boehner’s bill had a couple hundred billion in real spending cuts in ’12, then maybe it would still be something worth fighting through the fake “Armageddon!” date. But we’re talking about less than $10 billion of reduced spending growth padded with a bunch of promises about the future that amount to whatever number they affix to it. It’s all just a game to them, about getting reelected and gaining more power so they can sit back on their heels and spend money unopposed, just like before.

So instead of getting the shaft, I think Republicans should immediately take the high road and release a clean bill. Don’t give the Democrats their taxes. Boehner is trapped in their web and even the corporatist RINO’s should go along with that, since they never wanted to cut spending in the first place.

Hey, I don’t like it either, I was ready to fight, but since Boehner doesn’t have it in him I think it would be a mistake to let this end in stalemate. What are we going to tell the MSM we’re fighting for, fake spending cuts? Is that what you RINO’s want to champion on Aug 3rd if the Democrats hold their ground?

FloatingRock on July 30, 2011 at 2:36 PM

THANKS Alaska for returning Murky back to help out the Republicans in their time of need.

leftnomore on July 30, 2011 at 2:36 PM

hawkdriver, macroeconomic policy is obviously not your forte. Taxes don’t need to be raised, and it’s not inevitable.

blink on July 30, 2011 at 2:19 PM

You got me there Blink. Economics is not my forte at all. I’m making all of my comments in reference to the debt-ceiling and tax increase debate based on pure emotion and gut feeling.

We want the Moderates and Independents to see us as Progressive right? Not as a bunch of Knuckle-Dragging tight-wads, right? That’ll help Republicans win election, right?

We have fallen in line with so many Progressive Social Issues because we think Democrats and Liberals are right on those issues. Why do we think the Democrats and Liberals are so wrong about economics?

hawkdriver on July 30, 2011 at 2:37 PM

HondaV65 on July 30, 2011 at 2:30 PM

I agree with you on this.

GaltBlvnAtty on July 30, 2011 at 2:38 PM

How about a stand alone bill to last until say March, that establishes national referendum as the only procedure for any further increases, with a new referendum required for every additional trillion dollars?

It’s clear that Congress cannot deal with this issue, so we should take it to the people.

amazingmets on July 30, 2011 at 2:39 PM

William Amos on July 30, 2011 at 2:34 PM

Thanks for the info. But I don’t think it would be a bad idea. He tenure as majority leader from 2006-2007 was not really anything to be proud of. Do you honestly think he will push the “Hobbit” agenda when both houses are controlled by repubs? It’ll be same ol’ same ol’.

Firefly_76 on July 30, 2011 at 2:41 PM

WTH happened to Canopfor?

Key West Reader on July 30, 2011 at 2:18 PM

I tried sending him an e-mail, ma’am, and it came back, so his account’s either down or turned off.

kingsjester on July 30, 2011 at 2:21 PM

Hopefully, he is on vacation. There are parts of Canada with no internet access. It’s also the best time of year to travel to some remote spots. However, I’m praying.

katy the mean old lady on July 30, 2011 at 2:41 PM

Brown, Collins, Snowe, Murkowski didn’t sign it.

These four have to go when the time comes.

Why bother calling yourself a Republican when you’re famous for assisting democrats pass their nation killing legislation?

darwin on July 30, 2011 at 2:44 PM

I’d settle for a downgrade and a shut down if it meant Harry and Zero lose this battle. It’d be worth it. We can pick up any pieces later.

Kissmygrits on July 30, 2011 at 2:44 PM

She seems perfectly comfortable with the exclusion of logic when forming her opinions.

blink on July 30, 2011 at 2:26 PM

Isn’t that the essense of liberalism? It’s all about feeeelings.

slickwillie2001 on July 30, 2011 at 2:45 PM

Actually, It’s my Birthday today. Glad I don’t share the same day as Barry.

sandee on July 30, 2011 at 2:01 PM

Happy Birthday!

And congratulations for avoiding that shadow!

INC on July 30, 2011 at 2:47 PM

Since the tea party has been stiffed by both party’s anyway, if we could create a groundswell of support for a clean bill, under protest of course, we could potentially pull the rug right out from under the Ruling Class’ dog and pony show.

FloatingRock on July 30, 2011 at 2:47 PM

Brown, Collins, Snowe, Murkowski didn’t sign it.

A RINO, the Maine Twins and Sen. Moose Dropping.

Shocka.

Bruno Strozek on July 30, 2011 at 2:51 PM

I know I’m going to regret this. But, really, this is a question of biology, I guess, or more specifically, neuroscience. I would really like to know — really, I’m serious — the thought process of an ideologue that goes into criticizing “the other side” for doing precisely what your side does. When your side does it, such as in this case shooting down THREE House bills with no debate, do you applaud, and then get angry when the House later does the exact same thing? How do you reason through that so that the mind’s desire for rational thinking is satisfied? Does it hurt?

Rational Thought on July 30, 2011 at 2:22 PM

Their core value is to win.

Remember Alinsky’s the end justifies the means?

These are people basically w/o ethics. They have lied, made up facts and attacked others so long that truth has little or no meaning for them.

INC on July 30, 2011 at 2:52 PM

Re: 2-3 day mini debt ceiling increase…

Remember, the One’s birthday is next week. I believe he has a huge fundraiser/bday event set for Chicago.

Can’t wait to see him fraternizing with fat cats while the debt ceiling Armageddon continues full blown…..

cab8505 on July 30, 2011 at 2:52 PM

–So their consciences are pretty much seared at this point.

INC on July 30, 2011 at 2:52 PM

You want to see the games these yahoos in D.C. are playing?

The late-night jousting in the Senate followed a vote on House Speaker John A. Boehner’s debt-limit measure, which would extend the Treasury’s borrowing power until early next year and force another economy-rattling fistfight within a few months.

Drafted largely by aides to Reid and McConnell last weekend, the measure was originally
designed to appeal to the more centrist Senate.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/house-gop-tries-to-rescue-debt-limit-plan-obama-to-make-statement/2011/07/29/gIQAH527gI_print.html

NoNails on July 30, 2011 at 2:53 PM

Mooch is in “puffy time of the month” mode.

Key West Reader on July 30, 2011 at 2:10 PM

She’s at or near the age of menopause. If she’s looking puffy, it’s probably because she’s been wolfing down more of those burgers, fries, and shakes she’s always trying to ban for the rest of us.

AZCoyote on July 30, 2011 at 2:53 PM

43 GOP senators sign bill saying they oppose Reid bill. Brown, Collins, Snowe, Murkowski didn’t sign it.

Of course not. They are Republicrats.

Hening on July 30, 2011 at 2:53 PM

House vote on Reid going on now, so far 4 democrats are voting no on it.

txmomof6 on July 30, 2011 at 2:57 PM

blink on July 30, 2011 at 2:40 PM

yep

hawkdriver on July 30, 2011 at 2:58 PM

Anyone think Manchin will hold out, though, if Reid can get to 59 with Republicans?

Why can Dems get votes from our side, but we can never get votes from their side?

txmomof6 on July 30, 2011 at 3:01 PM

Okay who are the Republicans who are voting yes on Reid’s bill? What???

txmomof6 on July 30, 2011 at 3:04 PM

43 GOP senators sign bill saying they oppose Reid bill. Brown, Collins, Snowe, Murkowski didn’t sign it.

And you could add Mike Castle’s name to that list if he’d made it up the hill also.

FOUR? Hmmm – Murkowski! Aha! Yes – of course – her. The other three I counted on but Murk – I forgot about Murkie.

I think Reid only needs FOUR GOP Senators to break a filibuster right?

Now – witness (again – as if ObamaCare wasn’t a big enough example for you) witness the power of fully armed and OPERATIONAL RINO’s and savor the reasons we do not need a single one in the Republican party.

These are the guys who will now become THE MOST IMPORTANT REPUBLICANS – they’ll be showered with bribes by the Dims to push this deal as far left as possible!

Enjoy!

HondaV65 on July 30, 2011 at 3:05 PM

House is voting now on S. Reid debt ceiling proposal Brought up under suspension rules. Needs 2/3 maj to pass.

All Dems voting yes at the moment, 1 R voting yes, other R’s voting no.

What is this about?

bluefox on July 30, 2011 at 3:05 PM

One R switched back to no, must have been a mistake. Hopefully the other one is as well.

txmomof6 on July 30, 2011 at 3:06 PM

I think there is plenty of big money sitting on the sidelines waiting for a good buying opportunity

And if the sideline money buys stocks, the people they bought them from will now be on the sidelines with the same money, right?

I would predict that we see a Dow drop of 500 to 1,000 points at the most. 5% to 10% tops.

“It’s tough to make predictions, especially about the future.”
–Yogi Berra

Emperor Norton on July 30, 2011 at 3:06 PM

Does he not wash his hands, or is Reid being fed through an IV?

BKeyser on July 30, 2011 at 2:25 PM

That’s probably where he had the “666″ tattooed….

sicoit on July 30, 2011 at 3:06 PM

Why can Dems get votes from our side, but we can never get votes from their side?

txmomof6 on July 30, 2011 at 3:01 PM

The Dems are in lockstep with the ideology of the Left–any illusions of blue dogs vanished with the ObamaCare debacle.

The Rs as a party are far more split ideologically. The so-called “moderates” resemble what the blue dogs were supposed to be. They’re libs on social issues & economics.

INC on July 30, 2011 at 3:07 PM

HondaV65 on July 30, 2011 at 3:05 PM
Manchin is a no at present, so Harry needs one more R or to switch Manchin back.

txmomof6 on July 30, 2011 at 3:07 PM

Okay who are the Republicans who are voting yes on Reid’s bill? What???

txmomof6 on July 30, 2011 at 3:04 PM

I don’t think there is a Reid Bill yet. The house is voting on the Reid Bill – which doesn’t exist yet – but they are voting it down anyway. Which is just another point of political masturbation – also opens them up to criticism as Party of “No” for shooting down bills they haven’t seen yet nor do they exist.

HondaV65 on July 30, 2011 at 3:08 PM

Manchin is a no at present, so Harry needs one more R or to switch Manchin back.

txmomof6 on July 30, 2011 at 3:07 PM

Oh okay cool.

Did I miss something? Is there really a Reid bill being voted on by Senate?

HondaV65 on July 30, 2011 at 3:09 PM

Majority voted down Reid in the House.

txmomof6 on July 30, 2011 at 3:09 PM

240 No vs. 170 Yes and 23 not voting

txmomof6 on July 30, 2011 at 3:10 PM

Correction: 173 Yeas vs. 246

txmomof6 on July 30, 2011 at 3:12 PM

So, will Scooter have another national televised Hissy Fit this weekend or wait until the night of the 2nd?

kingsjester on July 30, 2011 at 3:12 PM

Majority voted down Reid in the House.

txmomof6 on July 30, 2011 at 3:09 PM

I applaud that but …

Doesn’t this leave Boehner in an untenable position?

I mean – the ultimate bill that comes back to him from the Senate is going to be some kind of Reid Bill … because the Dims own the Senate.

Well – Boehner just had his caucus vote that bill down. Does this mean Boehner is willing to default now? Or does it mean he doesn’t care about looking like a clueless clown for voting down the Reid measure today – and then voting FOR IT again when they get it next week.

I was against the Reid bill before I was for it?

WTF?

HondaV65 on July 30, 2011 at 3:12 PM

Reid on Fox right now

“we want a balanced budget amendment” “we’re happy to vote on it”

bwahahaaha

windansea on July 30, 2011 at 3:12 PM

HondaV65 on July 30, 2011 at 3:12 PM
McConnell asked for the vote to strengthen his bargaining position, possibly on the cuts to defense

txmomof6 on July 30, 2011 at 3:16 PM

Brown, Collins, Snowe, Murkowski didn’t sign it.

These four have to go when the time comes.

Do you honestly think you’re going to primary Brown? Just because he calls himself a Republican doesn’t mean we have one whit to say about him being in office. Unfortunately, he is the absolute best-case scenario in Mass. If you primary him with a conservative, he would lose in a landslide until you fix the electorate.

slug on July 30, 2011 at 3:16 PM

Why is the house voting on reid’s bill. There isn’t one is there?

Vince on July 30, 2011 at 3:18 PM

The sun will come up on Wednesday folks – bank that. So what if you lose 70% on your stocks – if the very next week they come right back to where they are now? Market panic is the only thing we have to worry about and that would be short lived.

HondaV65 on July 30, 2011 at 2:30 PM

The stock market never left the 500 -1000 range for fifteen years before Reagan -Is that what we are willing to live with? It can do much worse, once folks get panicking with that old herd instinct. Lots of tall buildings around for hopeless folks to jump off of.
Quite frankly Boehner like talk about, “we’ll fight in a couple more years -you just wait” won’t stop them.

Don L on July 30, 2011 at 3:18 PM

It’s nice to see some Donks break ranks for a change. Er, I mean, raise our taxes!

hawkdriver on July 30, 2011 at 3:18 PM

Why can Dems get votes from our side, but we can never get votes from their side?

txmomof6 on July 30, 2011 at 3:01 PM

Because they stick to their principles (twisted and wrong as they are). They’re awful awful human beings but they stick together and toe the line.

Tim Zank on July 30, 2011 at 3:19 PM

Reid on Fox right now

“we want a balanced budget amendment” “we’re happy to vote on it”

bwahahaaha

windansea on July 30, 2011 at 3:12 PM

Guess Mormons don’t believe you go to hell for lying huh?

Tim Zank on July 30, 2011 at 3:21 PM

I don’t think there is a Reid Bill yet. The house is voting on the Reid Bill – which doesn’t exist yet – but they are voting it down anyway. Which is just another point of political masturbation – also opens them up to criticism as Party of “No” for shooting down bills they haven’t seen yet nor do they exist.

HondaV65 on July 30, 2011 at 3:08 PM

How can they rationally be criticized for voting down a bill they haven’t read yet when….
A:it doesn’t exist and
B: Nancy says that we won’t know what’s in a (Democratic)bill until we vote it in?

Don L on July 30, 2011 at 3:22 PM

Do you honestly think you’re going to primary Brown? Just because he calls himself a Republican doesn’t mean we have one whit to say about him being in office.

slug on July 30, 2011 at 3:16 PM

Let’s buy him a hooker then and take pics and send them to Gawker.

That’ll fix his wagon. :P

HondaV65 on July 30, 2011 at 3:24 PM

Why is the house voting on reid’s bill. There isn’t one is there?

Vince on July 30, 2011 at 3:18 PM

Reid and the democrats admended the house bill adding a lot and taking a lot out of it. the house is returning the favor Reid did to the GOP house bill last night. It killed it before the senate can even debate it.

William Amos on July 30, 2011 at 3:24 PM

Why do we think the Democrats and Liberals are so wrong about economics?

hawkdriver on July 30, 2011 at 2:37 PM

Um, have you been watching the news that last couple of years?

Paid attention to history even a little?

How’s Cuba doing economically? Greece? Italy? Spain? The US after 5 years of Democrat rule in Congress and 3 years of Obama?

Seriously? Are you seriously asking that question?

Midas on July 30, 2011 at 3:24 PM

How can they rationally be criticized for voting down a bill they haven’t read yet when….
A:it doesn’t exist and
B: Nancy says that we won’t know what’s in a (Democratic)bill until we vote it in?

Don L on July 30, 2011 at 3:22 PM

Yep – exactly – I was thinking of that Pelosi statement too and how this is the same thing only opposite. :P

HondaV65 on July 30, 2011 at 3:25 PM

Reid on Fox right now

“we want a balanced budget amendment” “we’re happy to vote on it”

bwahahaaha

windansea on July 30, 2011 at 3:12 PM

They’ll never vote for it–they’d have to go on official record then.

Lou Holtz was on Hannity last night. He cut to the chase and said they don’t want to vote on the BBA because then they couldn’t bribe the voters any more.

INC on July 30, 2011 at 3:27 PM

Midas on July 30, 2011 at 3:24 PM

He was being sarcastic. Look upthread.

Vince on July 30, 2011 at 3:27 PM

Seriously? Are you seriously asking that question?

Midas on July 30, 2011 at 3:24 PM

Well, my entire line of comment on this thread was tongue in cheek. Sophomoric, I’ll admit. Freely. I do wonder why everyone buys into every other progressive social issue they shove down our throat though.

I wonder that economics is the last issue of the Republican Party.

hawkdriver on July 30, 2011 at 3:28 PM

my bet is that at the EOD the final “comprimise” will be a simple raise of the debt limit with no strings attached to “avoid” defualt. The gop establishment can say hey we tried to cut spending but we only control 1/2 of 1/3 of the gov. the dems will say we tried to raise taxes but those horrible republicans stopped us. Each party will use it to stoke their base. And the gop establishment will continue with their attacks on us hobbits.

It’s all a show. tired of it.

unseen on July 30, 2011 at 3:29 PM

Vince on July 30, 2011 at 3:27 PM

Criminally sarcstic.

hawkdriver on July 30, 2011 at 3:30 PM

Loebsack

Hehe

Apologetic California on July 30, 2011 at 3:31 PM

If you primary him with a conservative, he would lose in a landslide until you fix the electorate.

slug on July 30, 2011 at 3:16 PM

In that case, Republicans MUST primary him. If you have someone with an R that votes with the Dems, it’s better if that person has a D next to their name.

MrX on July 30, 2011 at 3:32 PM

Oy. Harry and Nancy…back to the White House with their bag of dirty tricks. What a circus DC has become. The whole lot of them look incompetent. Let’s just hope the GOP comes out looking slightly more competent than the rest, I guess that’s all we can hope for.

scalleywag on July 30, 2011 at 3:36 PM

I wonder that economics is the last issue of the Republican Party.

hawkdriver on July 30, 2011 at 3:28 PM

Please return Bishops fishing gear when you are done with it.

massrighty on July 30, 2011 at 3:37 PM

Stupid. Rinos are necessary to get control of the chamber. Purism kills.

andy85719 on July 30, 2011 at 3:37 PM

The sun will come up on Wednesday folks – bank that. So what if you lose 70% on your stocks – if the very next week they come right back to where they are now? Market panic is the only thing we have to worry about and that would be short lived.

HondaV65 on July 30, 2011 at 2:30 PM

I hope you are right about that. I don’t that you are because I think the market was kind of sending a sneak preview this week, but I hope you are right. Because, if you are then people might realize that they don’t even miss most of the meaningless government programs out there and Democrats lose a whole lot of leverage (just look at Minnesota).

This issue (market tanking) has been the biggest worry for me and, yeah, maybe it made me blink too early. I just know that people take their 401k, 403b, IRA, 529, etc accounts very personally, because it’s their hard-earned money, and if they go up in smoke they will be looking for some scalps and that might jeopardize beating Obama in 2012, which to me (and all of us) is so important.

JohnInCA on July 30, 2011 at 3:37 PM

strike should have been

quote.

massrighty on July 30, 2011 at 3:38 PM

We have fallen in line with so many Progressive Social Issues because we think Democrats and Liberals are right on those issues. Why do we think the Democrats and Liberals are so wrong about economics?

hawkdriver on July 30, 2011 at 2:37 PM

This thread too, huh?

Count to 10 on July 30, 2011 at 3:38 PM

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Obama-meets-with-top-Dem-apf-2931949167.html?x=0&.v=1

President Barack Obama is stepping back into the debt-ceiling talks, calling Congress’ top two Democrats to the White House for a meeting.

White House aides said Obama would receive an update Saturday from Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid and House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi. The invitation came shortly after the GOP-controlled House rejected Reid’s debt-ceiling proposal in a largely symbolic vote.

William Amos on July 30, 2011 at 3:40 PM

Stupid. Rinos are necessary to get control of the chamber. Purism kills.

andy85719 on July 30, 2011 at 3:37 PM

Or we could elect enough non-rino R’s to get control of the chamber.

massrighty on July 30, 2011 at 3:40 PM

Shenaniganza.

curved space on July 30, 2011 at 3:40 PM

Holy politics, Batman! Now even Democrats are being obstructionists and causing irreperable harm to the country by not voting for a debt ceiling increase “…now, g*dd@ammit, NOW!” Ooooooh, those darn Tea Partiers. They’ve infected the Capital with their virus or something.

JimP on July 30, 2011 at 3:42 PM

Stupid. Rinos are necessary to get control of the chamber. Purism kills.

andy85719 on July 30, 2011 at 3:37 PM

Shenaniganzapalooza?

massrighty on July 30, 2011 at 3:42 PM

Shenaniganza.

curved space on July 30, 2011 at 3:40 PM

Shenaniganzapalooza?

massrighty on July 30, 2011 at 3:43 PM

Stupid. Rinos are necessary to get control of the chamber. Purism kills.

andy85719 on July 30, 2011 at 3:37 PM

Yeah. That whole standing for sumpin’ thingy is waaay overrated.///

kingsjester on July 30, 2011 at 3:44 PM

Update: Reid and Pelosi are on their way to the White House for a huddle with The One.

Time for the wildcat offense.

El_Terrible on July 30, 2011 at 3:44 PM

OMG I am watchinfg c-span. Mark Rubio and Kyl are asking the democrats to vote on Reid’s Bill now. They are also saying that the Dems are’t the ones who are compromising, Rubio told Kerry it’s the dems and the president without a plan.

Now we have the dems on saying the Republians are the ones who are not moving and are stalling. That they won’t compromise. Rubio was begging them for a plan anything.

Rubio said this was there plan all along. He said they were waiting til the very end and send something terrible through that just has to be passed. Called them out on not having a budget for 2 years or a proposal. He said who is the one that is delaying all of this.

They need to be in front of the Cameras saying this.I wish Rubio and Kyl went on TV and said this stuff.

Brat4life on July 30, 2011 at 3:44 PM

This thread too, huh?

Count to 10 on July 30, 2011 at 3:38 PM

Oh yeah. I was on a roll of sorts in my own mind. Whether it made sense to anyone else or not. I’m all played out though; acting like a liberal is hard work. Nothing sophomoric left to offer.

My sculpting table calls.

Later all.

hawkdriver on July 30, 2011 at 3:46 PM

wonder that economics is the last issue of the Republican Party.

hawkdriver on July 30, 2011 at 3:28 PM

Bishop wants that fly rod back. NOW!

katy the mean old lady on July 30, 2011 at 3:47 PM

Update: Reid and Pelosi are on their way to the White House for a huddle with The One.

New plan: Extend the debt-ceiling debate through the end of Obama’s birthday party.

BKeyser on July 30, 2011 at 3:48 PM

The reason the GOP doest go on TV is because the leftwing reporters will ask questions like

“So senator why do you want to throw seniors out on the street to give the rich tax breaks ?”

“So why does the GOP want to starve poor people to save a few dollars ?”

William Amos on July 30, 2011 at 3:48 PM

wonder that economics is the last issue of the Republican Party.

hawkdriver on July 30, 2011 at 3:28 PM

Oops! Great mi
nds
and all that.

katy the mean old lady on July 30, 2011 at 3:49 PM

Update: Reid and Pelosi are on their way to the White House for a huddle with The One.

One private Presidential Temper Tantrum soon to commence.

kingsjester on July 30, 2011 at 3:50 PM

Please return Bishops fishing gear when you are done with it.

massrighty on July 30, 2011 at 3:37 PM

Compared to Bishop TWICE in one day?

(thumbs in suspenders)

hawkdriver on July 30, 2011 at 3:50 PM

Update: Reid and Pelosi are on their way to the White House for a huddle with The One.
New plan: Extend the debt-ceiling debate through the end of Obama’s birthday party.

BKeyser on July 30, 2011 at 3:48 PMGod forbid we should pizz on the BIRTHDAY! Please, Palin or Perry. announce for His Big Day!

katy the mean old lady on July 30, 2011 at 3:52 PM

The dems are worried about consumers credit card interest rates going up. Didn’t they just go up because of the dems. Now why are they worried about them going up again. If you have a loan locked in your rates can’t automaticly go up. Yea they are really good at scare mongering.

Brat4life on July 30, 2011 at 3:53 PM

Stupid. Rinos are necessary to get control of the chamber. Purism kills.

andy85719 on July 30, 2011 at 3:37 PM

…which control is useless when they sell you out at crunch time.

fossten on July 30, 2011 at 3:53 PM

So what’s left – CCB is the only thing on the table right?

gophergirl on July 30, 2011 at 3:53 PM

Maybe we can just blow the debt away with a BATTLESHIP

Well, both can be watched with lots of popcorn at any rate.

Yakko77 on July 30, 2011 at 3:54 PM

So what’s left – CCB is the only thing on the table right?

gophergirl on July 30, 2011 at 3:53 PM

Its the only plan on the table that has a chance of passing immediately. The democrats need to compromise. We’re only 4 votes short.

El_Terrible on July 30, 2011 at 3:56 PM

The reason the GOP doest go on TV is because the leftwing reporters will ask questions like

“So senator why do you want to throw seniors out on the street to give the rich tax breaks ?”

“So why does the GOP want to starve poor people to save a few dollars ?”

William Amos on July 30, 2011 at 3:48 PM

And the Republican Senator can say “Remember Gen. Russ Honore, commander of national guard forces during Katrina? ‘Let’s not get stuck on stupid?’” Next question.

Unfortunately, Republican Senators never want to tell it like it is to the liberals; and so they allow the liberals to keep them on the defensive. They only GOP political figure who attacks and outflanks the liberals is a woman from Alaska.

SheetAnchor on July 30, 2011 at 3:56 PM

So what’s left – CCB is the only thing on the table right?

gophergirl on July 30, 2011 at 3:53 PM

It is right now, but the Senate can reconsider the vote against the second House bill. Motions to reconsider only take 51 votes.

rockmom on July 30, 2011 at 3:56 PM

In that case, Republicans MUST primary him. If you have someone with an R that votes with the Dems, it’s better if that person has a D next to their name.

MrX on July 30, 2011 at 3:32 PM

And when control of the senate hinges on 1 R, would you rather have Brown or a D?

stvnscott on July 30, 2011 at 3:57 PM

Compared to Bishop TWICE in one day?

(thumbs in suspenders)

hawkdriver on July 30, 2011 at 3:50 PM

Yes sir, but compared favorably!

massrighty on July 30, 2011 at 3:57 PM

Its the only plan on the table that has a chance of passing immediately. The democrats need to compromise. We’re only 4 votes short.

El_Terrible on July 30, 2011 at 3:56 PM

Thanks – just making sure I was up to speed. I actually left the computer today and joined the real world!

gophergirl on July 30, 2011 at 3:58 PM

Update: Reid and Pelosi are on their way to the White House for a huddle with The One.

One private Presidential Temper Tantrum soon to commence.

kingsjester on July 30, 2011 at 3:50 PM

Seriously, this is a pretty big deal if true. Obama is probably telling them to cut the crap and pass the second House bill, and try to undermine it later. Either that, or he is going to tell them to suspend work on this deal and pass an emergency bill to extend the debt ceiling for a week.

I think Obama’s money people are really getting to him and telling him there will be carnage if nothing passes by Monday.

rockmom on July 30, 2011 at 3:59 PM

So what’s left – CCB is the only thing on the table right?

gophergirl on July 30, 2011 at 3:53 PM

If the Republicans would stand firm on CCB that would be a good thing. Sadly, that will not happen.

SheetAnchor on July 30, 2011 at 4:00 PM

I think Obama’s money people are really getting to him and telling him there will be carnage if nothing passes by Monday.

rockmom on July 30, 2011 at 3:59 PM

The President would cave if the Republicans ever had any intestinal fortitude.

SheetAnchor on July 30, 2011 at 4:03 PM

stvnscott on July 30, 2011 at 3:57 PM

I’d rather have a D.

Scott H on July 30, 2011 at 4:04 PM

McConnell is a TRAVESTY!!

Disgrace..he and Boner

Need Tea Party in Leadership but by then it may well be too late

LordMaximus on July 30, 2011 at 4:06 PM

stvnscott on July 30, 2011 at 3:57 PM
I’d rather have a D.

Scott H on July 30, 2011 at 4:04 PM

Yup. Manchin. He’s afraid to go back to WV. Them boys ain’t happy.

katy the mean old lady on July 30, 2011 at 4:08 PM

We have fallen in line with so many Progressive Social Issues because we think Democrats and Liberals are right on those issues. Why do we think the Democrats and Liberals are so wrong about economics?

hawkdriver on July 30, 2011 at 2:37 PM

Because we’re a libertarian party now. More gov’t is never the answer – whether we’re talking econ, social issues, or foreign policy.

Rand Paul, Jim DeMint, and Mike Lee – America’s last line of defense!

AUH2O on July 30, 2011 at 4:09 PM

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