Open thread: House to vote on Reid’s debt bill — before he offers it; Update: 43 GOP senators sign letter opposing Reid’s bill; Update: House defeats Reid’s bill, 173/246 — with Democratic help

posted at 1:41 pm on July 30, 2011 by Allahpundit

The vote’s set for 2:15 p.m. ET or shortly thereafter. With the outcome assured, why bother going through the motions and formally administering the coup de grace? Simple: Reid’s going to call a cloture vote on something at around 1 a.m. ET tonight (he has to do so for procedural reasons in order to beat the clock on Tuesday), and if he can’t hammer out a deal with McConnell before then, he might be tempted to call Senate Republicans’ bluff by offering his own bill as it currently stands and daring them to filibuster it. Boehner wants to discourage that by killing that bill now and forcing him, at the very least, to present something tonight that’s more favorable to Republicans.

Per the last link, an intriguing hint that Senate Dems might cave at the last second:

Reid, a canny legislative infighter, appears to be leaving himself a safety valve, however: The Democratic leader has set an evening Senate vote that essentially would leave Boehner’s bill on parliamentary life support — leaving Senate leaders the option of revive it at the last minute if no other deal to raise the debt ceiling is reached.

I assume that means they might strip out the BBA and pass the rest of Boehner’s bill as is, and then hope that Boehner can get a few Democrats to join him next time in passing that through the House. Meanwhile, what happens if Reid’s bill fails tonight? Well, then things get messy: “Even if a bipartisan accord is reached when the Senate is in the cloture process, Reid would need unanimous consent to swap in any compromise measure, an unlikely scenario given the passions in the fight.” I.e. DeMint or Rand Paul could block any new compromise bill before Tuesday on their own, which means it’s now or never. No wonder veteran lawmakers are starting to think they won’t make the deadline. We’ll know more soon: Reid’s called a presser for 3 p.m. ET, no doubt to whine about the House shooting his own bill down.

It’s going to be a long day, so here’s your thread. Stand by for updates, and if you missed Ed’s post this morning about Reid’s new and “improved” bill, read that for essential background. In fact, it’s even less improved than you think: According to CBO, the total savings in the new bill are the same as the savings in the previous version. Exit question: Would DeMint or Paul really hold out on their own and make Treasury hit the ceiling if a bipartisan deal’s been brokered? I’m guessing they’d force Reid to grant them some sort of vote, maybe on a balanced-budget amendment, as their price for relenting.

Update: Another exit question for you. How long will it be today before we hear the first whispers about a two- or three-day debt-ceiling hike in order to keep negotiations going? If Reid’s deadline for passing something really is 1 a.m., he’d better have a bill to that effect ready to go.

Update: Via John McCormack, Senate Republicans have sent a letter to Reid urging him not to waste his time with the current bill. But there’s a hitch:

43 GOP senators sign bill saying they oppose Reid bill. Brown, Collins, Snowe, Murkowski didn’t sign it.

Last I heard, Joe Manchin is still a no so Reid is stuck at 56. Anyone think Manchin will hold out, though, if Reid can get to 59 with Republicans?

Update: That’s that. Reid’s bill burns in the House, 173/246 — with 11 Democrats voting no. Not sure who they are yet; probably liberals who were unhappy with his cuts-only approach, but we’ll see when the roll comes out. A curious detail: Two Republicans initially voted yes before changing their votes. Stand by while we wait to find out who they are.

Update: Reid and Pelosi are on their way to the White House for a huddle with The One.

Update: Here’s the House roll. The 11 Democrats who voted no: Barrow, Boren, Braley, Loebsack, Matheson, McIntyre, Peterson, Ross (AR), Schrader, Visclosky, and, er, David Wu. So it wasn’t just liberals in opposition.

Update: Hmmmmm:

McConnell says he’s now “fully engaged” with POTUS; the dance is done. The dealing has begun

Update: As of 4 p.m. ET, things are starting to move:

Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Kentucky, said Saturday afternoon that he had talked to President Barack Obama and Vice President Joe Biden “within the last hour” and is “confident and optimistic” that there will be an “agreement within the very near future.”

A national default “is not going to happen,” McConnell said.

Update: Late-afternoon news from Politico: Republican moderates are warning Boehner that they don’t intend to take this plunge alone.

“House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) met Saturday with a group of two or three dozen moderates, who told him they want a debt-limit deal that attracts a broad swath of Republicans, not just Democrats and a handful of centrists.

According to participants, Boehner agreed with the premise: It’s not tenable for him to move forward on a bill that only gets support from a small portion of the Republican Conference.”

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Liberals in the senate filibustering their own bill to delay, delay, delay.

Call them out media…ah, you can’t form Obama’s azz, too bad for the country.

Schadenfreude on July 30, 2011 at 1:43 PM

My head is spinning…………

BallisticBob on July 30, 2011 at 1:44 PM

With the outcome assured, why bother going through the motions and formally administering the coup de grace?

Hold on, I thought the Dems were at fault for not proposing an adequately one-sided bill and now the House shoots it down before a full debate?

bayam on July 30, 2011 at 1:45 PM

“We have to pass it before we find out what’s in it”

katy on July 30, 2011 at 1:46 PM

The August 2nd deadline is really an August 10th deadline which will become an August ? deadline…

Gohawgs on July 30, 2011 at 1:47 PM

Boehner has already capitulated on all of the substantive issues, and since he is committed to losing anyway I would rather he lose with a clean debt ceiling hike than one with taxes and corruption, and a clean bill would pull the rug out from under all of the sham-bill plans.

We all know Boehner is going to take some deal, any deal, before the 2nd, he should head it off at the pass by releasing a clean bill now. And if he does stand firm and allows “Armageddon”, what will his justification be? At this point it’s all just a dog and pony show about who wins an loses, not about any substantive policy differences.

Just end the charade, Boehner, and pass a clean debt ceiling hike through the House. Everybody knows that the sham bills don’t cut any real spending anyway, so instead, let’s just take the only honorable way out of this debacle.

FloatingRock on July 30, 2011 at 1:48 PM

Count someone please answer this for me?

James Carville says the reason the Dem’s won’t pass CCB is because it’s “impossible” to get a BBA approved by 2/3 of the Congress and however many states. BUT – CCB immediately raises the debt ceiling just for a VOTE on BBA, not the actual PASSING of a BBA. SOOOOOOOO…if it’s impossible to pass, and immediately raises the debt ceiling, why not pass it? WHY AREN’T REPUBLICANS MAKING THIS ARGUMENT????

(of course I know a BBA MIGHT pass, and Dem’s would nto be able to spend us into bankruptcy ever again, which is the real reason they won’t allow it come to fruition. I know that. What I’m asking is WHY AREN’T REPUBLCIANS CCALLING THEM OUT ON IT?)

JustTruth101 on July 30, 2011 at 1:48 PM

I saw a Reuters story from a few moments ago that said all Republican Senators signed a letter saying they will not vote for Reids bill.

sandee on July 30, 2011 at 1:48 PM

So it was only 43, I knew that that was too good to be true. Murkowski…. What a winner she has turned out to be.

sandee on July 30, 2011 at 1:50 PM

43 GOP senators sign bill saying they oppose Reid bill. Brown, Collins, Snowe, Murkowski didn’t sign it.

Losers, all. Reid’s able to wait till the last minute to do anything because he knows the Senate RINOs will have his back.

changer1701 on July 30, 2011 at 1:50 PM

The Games People Play

Gohawgs on July 30, 2011 at 1:50 PM

Brown, Collins, Snowe and Murkowski…you can always count on them.

d1carter on July 30, 2011 at 1:50 PM

ANY NEW bill from Reid will require 72 hours of review BEFORE the House can vote on it.

Reid, and the Democrats, are proven LIARS and their last minute bills ALWAYS contain UNDEBATED CONSEQUENCES!

The 72 hour rule MUST be adhered to!

Freddy on July 30, 2011 at 1:51 PM

bayam on July 30, 2011 at 1:45 PM

See my first comment. All play games. Open your eyes and all your brain cells. They’re all scumbags, none bigger than Obama.

Schadenfreude on July 30, 2011 at 1:52 PM

So all Dingy Harry has to do is peel off 3 more and he has his vote. That shouldn’t be too hard…

sandee on July 30, 2011 at 1:52 PM

FloatingRock on July 30, 2011 at 1:48 PM

How is that “honorable”? And why is it Boehner’s problem? The House has passed TWO bills on this, and is about to reject Reid’s. They’ve done their job.

changer1701 on July 30, 2011 at 1:52 PM

Too bad for the good people in Alaska that they voted for that cow. At least the good animals are naive.

Schadenfreude on July 30, 2011 at 1:53 PM

The Republican position should be:

A) H.R. 2650 [112th], and if that is unacceptable than
B) S.627 as the fallback line.

No further retreat.

BKeyser on July 30, 2011 at 1:53 PM

43 GOP senators sign bill saying they oppose Reid bill. Brown, Collins, Snowe, Murkowski didn’t sign it.

Heh.
BTW Allah, do you suppose that when Sen. Manchin looks in the mirror he sees a President looking back at him?

cynccook on July 30, 2011 at 1:53 PM

So all Dingy Harry has to do is peel off 3 more and he has his vote. That shouldn’t be too hard…

sandee on July 30, 2011 at 1:52 PM

Lugar, Hutchison and Lamare.

Schadenfreude on July 30, 2011 at 1:53 PM

43 GOP senators sign bill saying they oppose Reid bill. Brown, Collins, Snowe, Murkowski didn’t sign it.

Whoa!!! Didn’t see that one coming….

BigWyo on July 30, 2011 at 1:54 PM

S/b Alexander.

Schadenfreude on July 30, 2011 at 1:54 PM

AP…well the “rumors” started last night:

The bottom line: To get legislation to raise the debt limit, some bi-partisan cooperation will be required. Senator Reid will need to work with Republicans to move a bill through the Senate, and House Speaker Boehner will need to start wooing Democrats because he’s sure to lose Republican votes for any legislation that makes some concessions to Democrats. Given the procedures in the Senate, this isn’t likely to be resolved before Tuesday. If the two sides are making progress, we think there is a good chance we would see a very short-term increase in the debt ceiling lasting for a matter of days.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/boehner-deficit-plan-passes-here-what-happens-next

r keller on July 30, 2011 at 1:54 PM

Finally, we can get to some real reporting on the process instead of all this fear mongering, and hit generation.

That being said, all the recent fireworks has been an interesting, thought provoking exercise.

faraway on July 30, 2011 at 1:55 PM

Brown, Collins, Snowe and Murkowski…you can always count on them.

d1carter on July 30, 2011 at 1:50 PM

True, but Reid’s “alterations” to his own bill include massive tax increases on the middle class. Are these RINO senators that stupid. Seems suicidal, even in a blue state where they are likely to get challenged by a dem who will say he would have never voted for a tax increase on the middle class in the middle of the Obama Depression.

Rational Thought on July 30, 2011 at 1:55 PM

Lugar, Hutchison and Lamare.

Schadenfreude on July 30, 2011 at 1:53 PM

Yup…

sandee on July 30, 2011 at 1:55 PM

Losers, all. Reid’s able to wait till the last minute to do anything because he knows the Senate RINOs will have his back.

changer1701 on July 30, 2011 at 1:50 PM

Maybe so, but they are a little more hard nosed in the house. This is all for show anyway they will cobble something together and pass it.

Who is happy with the present state of our representation in D.C.? Shouldn’t the real discussion be about finding people to replace the derelicts in the Senate in 2012? Then who cares about a small faction of RINOs in the Senate, their influence is blunted.

Dr Evil on July 30, 2011 at 1:55 PM

Aren’t the Maine twins up for reelection in 2012? This might be the opportune time to primary them both.

Dr Evil on July 30, 2011 at 1:56 PM

We need to have a fun game.

Liar?

or

Liar?

/Everyone’s a winner.

Key West Reader on July 30, 2011 at 1:57 PM

Ah, those lovable RINOs. They’re always so helpful in the clutch.

Missy on July 30, 2011 at 1:57 PM

Aren’t the Maine twins up for reelection in 2012? This might be the opportune time to primary them both.

Dr Evil on July 30, 2011 at 1:56 PM

I think only one is, but I say kick her butt out!

sandee on July 30, 2011 at 1:58 PM

Update: Another exit question for you. How long will it be today before we hear the first whispers about a two- or three-day debt-ceiling hike in order to keep negotiations going? If Reid’s deadline for passing something really is 1 a.m., he’d better have a bill to that effect ready to go.

Obama hinted yesterday that he’s ok with a few days’ of this.

Schadenfreude on July 30, 2011 at 1:58 PM

Who is happy with the present state of our representation in D.C.? Shouldn’t the real discussion be about finding people to replace the derelicts in the Senate in 2012? Then who cares about a small faction of RINOs in the Senate, their influence is blunted.

Dr Evil on July 30, 2011 at 1:55 PM

Respectfully requesting that you
Reconcile my 1:55pm post.

Key West Reader on July 30, 2011 at 1:58 PM

43 GOP senators sign bill saying they oppose Reid bill. Brown, Collins, Snowe, Murkowski didn’t sign it.

What is it with these girls?

TXUS on July 30, 2011 at 1:59 PM

Obama hinted yesterday that he’s ok with a few days’ of this.

Schadenfreude on July 30, 2011 at 1:58 PM

Won’t that spoil his B-Day party?

sandee on July 30, 2011 at 1:59 PM

Key West Reader on July 30, 2011 at 1:55 PM

He lies whenever he speaks.

Schadenfreude on July 30, 2011 at 1:59 PM

I’ve seen multiple pieces that proffer that Boehner will need to start courting Democrats in the House to make up for lost Republicans in order to pass whatever mess the Senate sends back.

Why wouldn’t Dems vote en masse for whatever Reid is able to pass? Isn’t it their objective to raise the debt ceiling? We know Harry won’t have anything in there that touches entitlements so it would seem a foregone conclusion that Queen Nan and the Dems would be lining up to vote for it.

BKeyser on July 30, 2011 at 1:59 PM

Obama can’t have his birthday party.

I. Am. So. Upset.

Key West Reader on July 30, 2011 at 2:00 PM

Actually, It’s my Birthday today. Glad I don’t share the same day as Barry.

sandee on July 30, 2011 at 2:01 PM

Moochelle O. hardest hit.

Schadenfreude on July 30, 2011 at 2:01 PM

Wait a minute. 43 GOP Senators? That means that they aren’t all Tea Partiers. There goes the ‘The Tea Partiers are are obstuctionist, idealogue, Pollyannas playing in the big leagues who won’t listen to their better, wiser leaders and do the right thing and save the country from economic apocalypse coming on Tuesday and vote for a debt increase now, g*dd@mmit, NOW’ narrative. What will Krauthammer, Ingraham et al do? Maybe they’ll wake TFU to the fact that the Tuedsay ‘default’ apocalypse is bogus and to the extent that markets are reacting negatively, it is caused by Obama and Geithner ‘threatening’ default and sending the DC to NYC/Wall Street crowd into a panic- and the Money Markets which are invested in Treasury securities. I quote, “the Money Markets are paranoid about default”. Well who started the paraoia? None other than those two wild and crazy loose cannons who don’t know squat or care about the damage they cause Obama & Geithner.

Stop the stampede. Wake the heck up.

JimP on July 30, 2011 at 2:02 PM

The way I see it, taxes need to be raised anyways. It’s inevitable. Why can’t we just get on board with Reid and the Democrats and do that, raise the debt ceiling and move forward.

It will show the Democrats and Moderates that we’re not a bunch of knuckle-dragging peniaphobes.

hawkdriver on July 30, 2011 at 2:03 PM

Forgot to say- again- that we now KNOW that default IS A LIE. There will be money to pay the minimum on the debt and SS checks and medicare and the military etc.

JimP on July 30, 2011 at 2:04 PM

BREAKING:

Latest chanting heard in Egypt, Iran:

“All your debt are belong to us!”

BobMbx on July 30, 2011 at 2:04 PM

Hawk: And why, pray tell, do taxes need to be raised?

Scott H on July 30, 2011 at 2:05 PM

If he even DARES to have a BIRTHDAY PARTY FUNDRAISER PALOOZA, hoo boy, that’s not a good optics.

Don’t worry your pretty heads. The Obama Royal Family will make it to the Vineyard. Phew! For a moment there, I thought they might miss a vacation or something!

I feel so much better knowing the comfort and joys they will …. what evs.

Key West Reader on July 30, 2011 at 2:05 PM

Before yesterday’s House vote, President Barack Obama stuck his head out from under his desk and argued that the two parties are not “miles apart” and that he was prepared to work “all weekend long until we find a solution.”

Probably somewhere between the 16th and 17th holes.

President Scooter also said that the two sides are “in rough agreement” about the size of the first round of spending cuts and “the next step” to rein in borrowing:

If we need to put in place some kind of enforcement mechanism to hold us all accountable for making these reforms, I’ll support that, too, if it’s done in a smart and balanced way.

It would be nice to see more responsibility Inside the Beltway, wouldn’t it?

Unfortunately, the way it looks today, we’re not going to have that until after 11/6/2012.

kingsjester on July 30, 2011 at 2:06 PM

How do you oppose something that does not exist? Should you not look at it first and tell the country why you oppose it>

bayview on July 30, 2011 at 2:06 PM

Actually, It’s my Birthday today. Glad I don’t share the same day as Barry.

sandee on July 30, 2011 at 2:01 PM

Happy Birthday, Sandee!!!!

Much love

Key West Reader on July 30, 2011 at 2:07 PM

I’ve seen multiple pieces that proffer that Boehner will need to start courting Democrats in the House to make up for lost Republicans in order to pass whatever mess the Senate sends back.

Why wouldn’t Dems vote en masse for whatever Reid is able to pass? Isn’t it their objective to raise the debt ceiling? We know Harry won’t have anything in there that touches entitlements so it would seem a foregone conclusion that Queen Nan and the Dems would be lining up to vote for it.

BKeyser on July 30, 2011 at 1:59 PM

My thoughts, too. When Reid sends over his horrible bill filled with massive tax increases and phony spending decreases, Boehner should just say:

“Here’s the Reid bill. It’s full of massive tax increase on the middle class and phony spending cuts. It gives the president a blank check and no accountability for his out-of-control spending, and most of all, it protects his re-election efforts by being extended through 2012, which is what this awful debate has always been about anyway. It will be an important step in the total destruction of this once great nation. I’ll be voting no. So, just remember, a yes vote means yes for allowing Obama and the democrats to destroy the nation. Let’s vote.”

Rational Thought on July 30, 2011 at 2:08 PM

Brown, Collins, Snowe, Murkowski didn’t sign it.

Good thing they are not Republicans…… I really wish they would stop pretending

the_ancient on July 30, 2011 at 2:08 PM

(of course I know a BBA MIGHT pass, and Dem’s would nto be able to spend us into bankruptcy ever again, which is the real reason they won’t allow it come to fruition. I know that. What I’m asking is WHY AREN’T REPUBLCIANS CCALLING THEM OUT ON IT?)

JustTruth101 on July 30, 2011 at 1:48 PM

Probably because a lot of Republicans don’t really want the purse slammed shut either.

IrishEi on July 30, 2011 at 2:09 PM

Leave Obama alone.

He needs a vacation. He really does. His pedicure turned out bad and Mooch is in “puffy time of the month” mode.

He needs a round of golf.

Key West Reader on July 30, 2011 at 2:10 PM

I just want to say that I love the picture for this post on the main page. Hilarious.

bridgetown on July 30, 2011 at 2:11 PM

The late-night jousting in the Senate followed a vote on House Speaker John A. Boehner’s debt-limit measure, which would extend the Treasury’s borrowing power until early next year and force another economy-rattling fistfight within a few months.

Drafted largely by aides to Reid and McConnell last weekend, the measure was originally designed to appeal to the more centrist Senate.

WaPo

(HT: RedState)

So Boehner’s bill was really Reid and McConnell’s – before BBA language was added…

Wethal on July 30, 2011 at 2:11 PM

i knew they were running the same game clinton was, but i hadn’t seen how close the scripts were. the same team that is advising barry advised clinton…it is a machine after all.

So this is strictly a replay Clinton, with way more debt and 1.5T/year deficit.

Dim/Left/Media seem to play only one game…interesting:

From the President’s veto message:

This bill would make it almost inevitable that the Government would default for the first time in our history. This is deeply irresponsible. A default has never happened before, and it should not happen now.

I have repeatedly urged the Congress to pass promptly legislation raising the debt limit for a reasonable period of time to protect the Nation’s creditworthiness and avoid default. Republicans in Congress have acknowledged the need to raised the debt limit [but] [t]his bill would threaten the Nation with default. . . .”

No, the Obama administration has not given me an advance copy of its planned veto should the Congress pass a short-term extension of the debt limit. The language quoted above is from President Clinton’s November 13, 1995 veto of H.R. 2586, which would have provided for a temporary and very short-term (one month) increase in the debt limit during the budget battle of 1995-96. (Incidentally, I learned about this veto from this helpful background report from the Committee for a Responsible Budget).

r keller on July 30, 2011 at 2:12 PM

Once again: THANK YOU, ALASKA. /

churchill995 on July 30, 2011 at 2:12 PM

Just face the facts.

The “Freshmen” came in and have begun dismantling the culture of the “Kingdom”.

No doubt they’re going to take heat. That’s why we sent them there.

Note to the “Kingdom”? More are coming in 2012.

Key West Reader on July 30, 2011 at 2:12 PM

Hold on, I thought the Dems were at fault for not proposing an adequately one-sided bill and now the House shoots it down before a full debate?

bayam on July 30, 2011 at 1:45 PM

Huh. Where’s your similar comment regarding the Senate Democrats’ letter warning that they would not let Boehner’s bill pass the Senate?

No debate there, either.

Fail.

fossten on July 30, 2011 at 2:13 PM

WHY AREN’T REPUBLCIANS CCALLING THEM OUT ON IT?)

JustTruth101 on July 30, 2011 at 1:48 PM

Because Republicans never, and I mean NEVER, hold the narrative. The media will NEVER allow it…

jbh45 on July 30, 2011 at 2:13 PM

How is that “honorable”? And why is it Boehner’s problem? The House has passed TWO bills on this, and is about to reject Reid’s. They’ve done their job.

changer1701 on July 30, 2011 at 1:52 PM

It’s honorable because a clean bill wouldn’t be chock full of lies about spending cuts in 10 years that only fools believe.

FloatingRock on July 30, 2011 at 2:14 PM

Brown, Collins, Snowe, Murkowski didn’t sign it.

And if it weren’t for that meddling Crazy Christine O’Donnell, we could have had Mike Castle NOT sign the letter, too!

fossten on July 30, 2011 at 2:14 PM

From the President’s veto message:

This bill would make it almost inevitable that the Government would default for the first time in our history. This is deeply irresponsible. A default has never happened before, and it should not happen now.

He creates a mess and then imposes the solution of creating more mess…
Sounds like a premeditated recipe for complete financial destruction of the US economy to me…

Well done BHO… Now you know why Rush kept saying ” I HOPE HE FAILS”

katy on July 30, 2011 at 2:15 PM

Update: Another exit question for you. How long will it be today before we hear the first whispers about a two- or three-day debt-ceiling hike in order to keep negotiations going? If Reid’s deadline for passing something really is 1 a.m., he’d better have a bill to that effect ready to go.

That’s a no go. They have NOT cancelled the fundraiser 50th birthday party at the Aragon for August 3rd. All I can say is: I hope he retires in Hawaii and not here, I couldn’t stand it!

herm2416 on July 30, 2011 at 2:17 PM

WTH happened to Canopfor?

Key West Reader on July 30, 2011 at 2:18 PM

WTH happened to Canopfor?

Key West Reader on July 30, 2011 at 2:18 PM

That’s what everyone has been asking. We need to contact the Mounties and get a search party going.

Kataklysmic on July 30, 2011 at 2:20 PM

WTH happened to Canopfor?

Key West Reader on July 30, 2011 at 2:18 PM

I tried sending him an e-mail, ma’am, and it came back, so his account’s either down or turned off.

kingsjester on July 30, 2011 at 2:21 PM

Hold on, I thought the Dems were at fault for not proposing an adequately one-sided bill and now the House shoots it down before a full debate?

bayam on July 30, 2011 at 1:45 PM

I know I’m going to regret this. But, really, this is a question of biology, I guess, or more specifically, neuroscience. I would really like to know — really, I’m serious — the thought process of an ideologue that goes into criticizing “the other side” for doing precisely what your side does. When your side does it, such as in this case shooting down THREE House bills with no debate, do you applaud, and then get angry when the House later does the exact same thing? How do you reason through that so that the mind’s desire for rational thinking is satisfied? Does it hurt?

Rational Thought on July 30, 2011 at 2:22 PM

They say the down grade is going to happen if the spending cuts are not 4 trillion. If they are going to pass some crap sandwich, then I suggest they do this.

If or when the house gets the bill from the senate, up the cuts to 4 trillion and send it back. At least they can say they tried to prevent the down grade.

derft on July 30, 2011 at 2:24 PM

Huh. Where’s your similar comment regarding the Senate Democrats’ letter warning that they would not let Boehner’s bill pass the Senate?

No debate there, either.

Fail.

fossten on July 30, 2011 at 2:13 PM

Liberal honesty, aka oxymoron

Schadenfreude on July 30, 2011 at 2:24 PM

Mooch is in “puffy time of the month” mode

How can one tell when she is not?

Aviator on July 30, 2011 at 2:24 PM

43 GOP senators sign bill saying they oppose Reid bill. Brown, Collins, Snowe, Murkowski didn’t sign it.

We should have supported Mike Castle, Sue Lowden, etc… and we would have had the Senate majority. They will vote with the GOP 60% of the time. /KingGold /sarc.

Never mind that these backstabbers always choose to vote against their party on the big votes when the media glare is at its highest and vote with the Party when we are naming Post Offices.

TheRightMan on July 30, 2011 at 2:25 PM

The House vote doesn’t restrict the Senate from voting on their own bill in any way. Do you need a class in civics?

blink on July 30, 2011 at 2:16 PM

In logic and honesty

Schadenfreude on July 30, 2011 at 2:25 PM

I’m working on a photoshop and found this picture from the White House Flickr site. I linked this to the “large” size, but if you click on the “original” link, at the top right of the image, you can see a small band-aid on Reid’s right hand. This photo is from May 2009.

I thought I saw a recent picture of Reid with a similar band-aid. I found it on the Daily Caller site and the picture was from yesterday. If you click on the image, it’ll open larger. Same band-aid 26 months later.

Does he not wash his hands, or is Reid being fed through an IV?

BKeyser on July 30, 2011 at 2:25 PM

No wonder veteran lawmakers are starting to think they won’t make the deadline.

Only now they are starting to think they won’t make the deadline? What about those big fat Wall Street Banks, the ones too big to fail, who are holding billions in US Treasuries? Remember 2008 when those mortgage backed securities suddenly went poof in the night and Lehman went bust? They won’t do that again, right? They learned their lessons then, and they have hedged their holdings against sudden and unexpected default, and they’re not worried about the counter party risk when the other guys can’t pay off. We all learned from that, right?

So there isn’t any risk of default because we all know there will be a deal.

Skandia Recluse on July 30, 2011 at 2:25 PM

Rational Thought on July 30, 2011 at 2:22 PM

Not only that, see my first comment – the senate are filibustering their own liberal bill, to run out the clock.

Schadenfreude on July 30, 2011 at 2:26 PM

I assume that means they might strip out the BBA and pass the rest of Boehner’s bill as is, and then hope that Boehner can get a few Democrats to join him next time in passing that through the House.

Someone predicted this I believe – it was me!

Told ya – the Boehner Bill would come back to the house as the Reid Plan and force fed to the Freshmen.

THEY NEED TO TELL BOEHNER TO HAUL ASS.

HondaV65 on July 30, 2011 at 2:26 PM

What the heck happend to bayam?

Schadenfreude on July 30, 2011 at 2:27 PM

“How do you oppose something that does not exist? Should you not look at it first and tell the country why you oppose it>
bayview on July 30, 2011 at 2:06 PM”

They took this from ‘Rules for Radicals’. Turn about is fair play as they say.

JimP on July 30, 2011 at 2:28 PM

What the heck happend to bayam?

Schadenfreude on July 30, 2011 at 2:27 PM

Fresh talking point conference call with Axelrod at 2:30 PM Eastern?

Kataklysmic on July 30, 2011 at 2:29 PM

Key West Reader on July 30, 2011 at 1:58 PM

Seems to me that it is unlikely Obama is lying to his banker friends and contributors. It seems likely that Obama is lying to the American people, assisted in his lies by Pelosi, in that Obama lying to the American people is one of his fundamental policies.

GaltBlvnAtty on July 30, 2011 at 2:29 PM

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/31/us/politics/31fiscal.html

“Democrats in Congress and some Senate Republicans have been listening and have shown themselves willing to make compromises to solve this crisis,” Obama said. “Now all of us — including Republicans in the House of Representatives — need to demonstrate the same kind of responsibility.”

In the Republican video response, Senator Jon Kyl of Arizona said that “Republicans have tried to work with Democrats,” to raise the debt ceiling, “but we need them to work with us.”

William Amos on July 30, 2011 at 2:29 PM

Does he not wash his hands, or is Reid being fed through an IV?

BKeyser on July 30, 2011 at 2:25 PM

Just where they put the needle to exchange his embalming fluid for fresh.

Aviator on July 30, 2011 at 2:29 PM

Deadline Smedline … there is NO Deadline.

That “deadline” was computed by Turbo Tax Genius and Charles Krauthammer’s hero – Tim Geithner.

We KNOW how inaccurate and partisan he is.

The sun will come up on Wednesday folks – bank that. So what if you lose 70% on your stocks – if the very next week they come right back to where they are now? Market panic is the only thing we have to worry about and that would be short lived.

Trust me – if you went one week like that – the Dims would pass CCB. But I know that no RINO’s going to trust that – because hitting the debt ceiling is terrifying beyond belief to them.

HondaV65 on July 30, 2011 at 2:30 PM

BKeyser on July 30, 2011 at 2:25 PM

Weird. At first I thought maybe he had a mole removed or something, but the bandaids are in slightly different places on the hand.

Missy on July 30, 2011 at 2:31 PM

Does he not wash his hands, or is Reid being fed through an IV?

BKeyser on July 30, 2011 at 2:25 PM

Vampire bite marks?

Rational Thought on July 30, 2011 at 2:31 PM

Is there any realistic chance of primarying Boehner? Who’s from Ohio?

Would DeMint or Paul really hold out on their own and make Treasury hit the ceiling if a bipartisan deal’s been brokered?</blockquote
Yes. And I plan to send them both $$ today.

Firefly_76 on July 30, 2011 at 2:31 PM

blockquote fail.

Firefly_76 on July 30, 2011 at 2:32 PM

A BBA would need 2/3 of each house voting yes.Does anyone not living in fantasyland believe that to be possible. I don’t think there are 25 Dems in the House who would vote for a BBA.The rest would rather slit their wrists than do so.The BBA was always DOA.Was it a poison pill to block and debt deal.

xkaydet65 on July 30, 2011 at 2:32 PM

If we need to put in place some kind of enforcement mechanism to hold us all accountable for making these reforms, I’ll support that, too, if it’s done in a smart and balanced way.

When Obozo uses those words, he means that a tax increase is part of the “balance.” He speaks in a code that his sycophants understand.

onlineanalyst on July 30, 2011 at 2:34 PM

Is there any realistic chance of primarying Boehner? Who’s from Ohio?

I live in ohio just north of Boehner’s location. He is in the Cincinnatti Area. And I think he is near impossible to be defeated in a primary.

And that would be a bad idea as well. Our focus should be getting rid of Democratic senators. If the GOP controls both chambers even a second Obama administration would come to a screeching halt.

William Amos on July 30, 2011 at 2:34 PM

A BBA would need 2/3 of each house voting yes.Does anyone not living in fantasyland believe that to be possible.

xkaydet65 on July 30, 2011 at 2:32 PM

The idea was to get the Democrats in the senate on record for opposing the bill then hammering them with it in 2012.

William Amos on July 30, 2011 at 2:35 PM

The government doesn’t have a revenue problem. It has a spending problem.

Raising taxes will hurt GDP which will lower revenues.

blink on July 30, 2011 at 2:19 PM

Er, do you think he didn’t bother with a sarc tag?

katy the mean old lady on July 30, 2011 at 2:36 PM

Now Drudge is reporting that the NYT will run a piece saying Obama “edges to the right.” Theater of the absurd, indeed.

Rational Thought on July 30, 2011 at 2:36 PM

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