Quotes of the day

posted at 10:43 pm on July 29, 2011 by Allahpundit

“Now, some establishment Republicans are wondering if they got more than they bargained for. The U.S. Chamber of Commerce, for instance, strongly opposed the health care legislation, making common cause with the tea party. But this month the chamber swung solidly behind Boehner’s original debt-ceiling bill. It suffered embarrassment with all the other groups and individuals forced to swallow the tea partyers’ demands.

“Republican campaign strategists are weighing the tea party’s valuable energy against the possibility that it might push the party away from mainstream politics, which appeal to crucial independent voters. A Pew Research poll found that 68 percent of American voters want lawmakers to compromise on the debt ceiling and default issue, even it means striking a deal they disagree with. Fewer than one in four said lawmakers should stand by their principles even if it leads to a default on U.S. obligations.

“Veteran lawmakers and congressional staffers are struck by the faith — be it admirable or naive — that many tea party advocates seem to have in what they consider the moral rightness of their ideas. Some GOP staffers privately roll their eyes at accounts of House members insisting that Senate Democrats will suddenly come to their senses and embrace the balanced budget agreement, even though those senators have criticized the proposal for years.”

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“Unfortunately for the country, which is poised to lose its place as the world’s most-trusted treasury and suffer economic repercussions we can ill afford, the stakes in this political game are too high to be in the hands of Tea Partyers who mistakenly think they have a mandate. Their sweep in the 2010 election was the exclusive result of anti-Obama sentiment and the sense that the president, in creating a health-care plan instead of focusing on jobs, had overplayed his hand. Invariably, as political pendulums swing, the victors become the very thing they sought to defeat.

“Who’s overplaying their hand now?…

“Hubris is no one’s friend, and irony is a nag. The Tea Partyers who wanted to oust Barack Obama have greatly enhanced his chances for reelection by undermining their own leader and damaging the country in the process. The debt ceiling may have been raised and the crisis averted by the time this column appears, but that event should not erase the memory of what transpired. The Tea Party was a movement that changed the conversation in Washington, but it has steeped too long and has become toxic.”

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“‘Well, just, watch out, ‘Everyone I talk to still believes in contested primaries.’ God bless her, Sarah Palin’s saying that in a message she put out,’ Ingraham said.

“She proceeded to run through a list of conservatives who have endorsed Boehner’s plan, quipping sarcastically: ‘I guess we’re threatening, implicitly, explicitly, Paul Ryan, Col. Allen West, Mike Pence is gonna be out of the House of Representatives. He’ll be the governor of Indiana. Maybe we can run someone else as governor of Indiana, to run for the governorship, ’cause Pence is obviously a sellout. Can I have the whole list of sellouts? I need the list so I can make sure I understand who’s going to get the primary challenge.’

“‘It’s a very odd way to go about things if we have a common goal,’ Ingraham continued, urging tea party-aligned Republicans to seek a ‘real and meaningful’ role — ‘not just, ok, I’m the spoiler here. I stood on principle, everybody else is impure.’”

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“damaging the country in the process”

Verdict with no evidence. I shall henceforth call Nag Kathleen Parker the Queen of Hearts.

Lon Chaney on July 30, 2011 at 12:30 AM

I never thought I’d see a day (or encounter one) when Rush cheers on the Teaparty

Dude.

Rush was Tea Party before there was a Tea Party.

peacenprosperity on July 30, 2011 at 12:31 AM

Analysis says Reid’s budget plan contains gimmicks that could result in tax increases – http://t.co/SN7sDnT

andy85719 on July 30, 2011 at 12:28 AM

Watch Boehner tell the House to get their asses in line to vote for it.

fossten on July 30, 2011 at 12:32 AM

In the end they all share the myriad perks of office. Sure they squabble in public but behind closed doors they are a lot more chummy than we will ever know; they understand how good things are for them.

Bishop on July 30, 2011 at 12:27 AM

Yup. I heard on the news today that Boehner only let the vote on CCB happen with plans of it getting tabled at which time he would then work on the actual plan he had wanted from the start – he did it only to throw a bone to the Tea Partiers.

Yes folks. That’s what ‘compromise’ means with the establishment GOP.

miConsevative on July 30, 2011 at 12:32 AM

peacenprosperity on July 30, 2011 at 12:26 AM

I’m not as witty or knowledgeable as most, I have to be nice.

Cindy Munford on July 30, 2011 at 12:32 AM

Well I prefer to take Reagan’s advice; Trust but Verify; except I throw out the trust part.
Geochelone on July 30, 2011 at 12:25 AM

I think the verify part was thrown out before it even started.

We’re verifying just how terrible all of this legislation is only after it’s been passed, and then the old rule D.C. rule of “Once it exists it never goes away” comes into effect.

I’m tired of hearing wait until next year.

Bishop on July 30, 2011 at 12:32 AM

Yup. I heard on the news today that Boehner only let the vote on CCB happen with plans of it getting tabled at which time he would then work on the actual plan he had wanted from the start – he did it only to throw a bone to the Tea Partiers.

Yes folks. That’s what ‘compromise’ means with the establishment GOP.

miConsevative on July 30, 2011 at 12:32 AM

It truly is us vs. the establishment. And the GOP leadership is our enemy.

There, I said it.

fossten on July 30, 2011 at 12:33 AM

Tea Party = The people.

They can dis it … but they can’t destroy it.

Don’t know when they’ll come to realize that attacking the TP only makes us stronger. Persecution is what held the early Mormon church together.

Three weeks ago – we weren’t very focused in my TP cell – now – things are moving at the speed of light – focus has regained.

We’re not going anywhere and the naysayers can SUCK IT BABY!!

These Colors Don’t Run.

HondaV65 on July 30, 2011 at 12:33 AM

I’m not as witty or knowledgeable as most, I have to be nice.
Cindy Munford on July 30, 2011 at 12:32 AM

You are way wiser than most and twice as dignified as I aspire to be.

peacenprosperity on July 30, 2011 at 12:34 AM

The Tea Party sees it as a fight for survival. They are tired of giving over the high ground the enemy because it’d be too hard to take the hill. They realize that the longer the opposition holds the hill, the better they can defend. At some point, you have to stop retreating and fight.

Pattosensei on July 30, 2011 at 12:03 AM

And the Tea Party is right, because they can do basic math. It is the establishment that has compromised nearly to the point of national self-destruction. No sane citizen who wants the country to survive would listen to these people any more. They are obviously incompetent to be making consequential decisions. And as for the new House members who did not stand their ground, if there were one in my district we would begin the process of primarying him or her tomorrow.

This is no time for settling and half-baked, cowardly leadership. People worked tirelessly to elect these new members to do one job – stop Obama and the Dems from destroying our country, and do it now, not tomorrow, before it is too late.

All they had to do was stand firm on CCB, and the community organizer would have caved, and started writing the checks to pay the interest on the debt, and social security, and the military, and medicare. They allowed the community organizer to run his “threat” and “blame” game on them again – and at a time when he is now down to 40% in the polls, and after an election mandate to stop his agenda at all costs.

Boehner out of fear gave up his leverage when he told Obama he would not permit a shutdown. Thus, Obama and Reid both knew they had nothing to worry about. Goodness, Reps help Dems win even when they are losing.

And if the Tea Party stays home this election season, the Reps lose in 2012. The only reason they are in power in the House now, and holding new Governorships, and 19 new state legislatures is because of the Tea Party. They better be mindful of this fact: most Tea Party people are up in age. They do not have to be that concerned about their own future; they are doing this hard work because they love this country and do not want it destroyed. If they turn away, this country will be history in less than 10 years, as it goes bankrupt behind socialism and a loss of personal liberty.

SheetAnchor on July 30, 2011 at 12:34 AM

How many times are we going to trust but verify and take it in the tailpipe before we admit that the political class cannot be trusted?

darwin-t on July 30, 2011 at 12:27 AM

And how long until more conservatives realize that this is such a problem that the “anyone but Obama” mentality is not enough. It’s way beyond that.

miConsevative on July 30, 2011 at 12:35 AM

Lesson for Sobbingblogger:

Conservative star Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI) ripped Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid for the fantasy savings in his budget plan.

“Let’s pass a bill to cover the moon with yogurt that will cost $5 trillion today. and then let’s pass a bill the next day to cancel that bill. We could save $5 trillion.”

Simple enough?

CW on July 30, 2011 at 12:35 AM

Geochelone on July 30, 2011 at 12:17 AM

cslouis is going to be mad to you. He takes kingjester to task almost daily for “spamming”.

Cindy Munford on July 30, 2011 at 12:36 AM

It truly is us vs. the establishment. And the GOP leadership is our enemy.

There, I said it.

fossten on July 30, 2011 at 12:33 AM

The silver lining on this … Boehner’s prolly done as speaker.

What I actually hope happens – is that he negotiates a REALLY bad compromise bill with Reid – and then throws it right at the TP freshmen and demands they vote for it. Hopefully it’ll have tax increases in it too – to make it even more unpalatable.

They’ll clean his clock then. Normally – no one would be stupid enough to do that – but with Boehner – it’s possible.

HondaV65 on July 30, 2011 at 12:36 AM

Speaking of context, that was the stupidest analogy I’ve EVER read.

fossten on July 30, 2011 at 12:24 AM

Been called a lot worse, bro, but you missed my entire meaning. The boys and girls in the TP hood did some major damage to the Village of the Dems in this process, which seems to be entirely overlooked in the discussion.

TXUS on July 30, 2011 at 12:36 AM

Those aren’t quotes. When I read quotes, I usually become more informed about other people’s perspectives. After reading these, I feel that the universe has become a little bit more stupid today. And if you think about how big the universe is, you need an awful lot of stupid to make any effect at all at those scale and this fits the bill.

MrX on July 30, 2011 at 12:36 AM

Ten year plan, we don’t have ten years. These idiots aren’t serious.

Bishop on July 30, 2011 at 12:37 AM

Boehner out of fear gave up his leverage when he told Obama he would not permit a shutdown. Thus, Obama and Reid both knew they had nothing to worry about. Goodness, Reps help Dems win even when they are losing.

SheetAnchor on July 30, 2011 at 12:34 AM

Not even sure Boehner did this out of fear. It’s now being said that his compromise bill was his original choice, and he did CCB for show only. They’re all buddies behind the curtain. I wouldn’t be surprised if this was some sort of deal he and Reid cooked up.

fossten on July 30, 2011 at 12:38 AM

The Tea Party was a movement that changed the conversation in Washington, but it has steeped too long and has become toxic.

By the way, I thought the Tea Party was already toxic the moment it appeared back in 2009.

ddrintn on July 30, 2011 at 12:38 AM

I don’t see how the debt ceiling gets raised. Which bill will the House and Senate pass? I don’t see one.

Emperor Norton on July 30, 2011 at 12:38 AM

cslouis is going to be mad to you. He takes kingjester to task almost daily for “spamming”.
Cindy Munford on July 30, 2011 at 12:36 AM

Whatever. You have an obsession with cs.

Bishop on July 30, 2011 at 12:38 AM

It is the establishment that has compromised nearly to the point of national self-destruction.

boehner and mcconnell are illegitimate. They were elected before the current menbers of the house and senate were even sworn in. In other words, they were elected by alot of republicans that were primaried out of there seats.

peacenprosperity on July 30, 2011 at 12:39 AM

The silver lining on this … Boehner’s prolly done as speaker.

What I actually hope happens – is that he negotiates a REALLY bad compromise bill with Reid – and then throws it right at the TP freshmen and demands they vote for it. Hopefully it’ll have tax increases in it too – to make it even more unpalatable.

They’ll clean his clock then. Normally – no one would be stupid enough to do that – but with Boehner – it’s possible.

HondaV65 on July 30, 2011 at 12:36 AM

Don’t say that. I never would have thought West would turn on us, but he did.

fossten on July 30, 2011 at 12:39 AM

I certainly hope the actual Congressmen learned more from this meaningless exercise than the commenters here have learned.

We got nothing. We might have gotten something, but now we won’t.

And we can no longer claim the high ground. Our side tried to ram our views down the throats of America without their consent.

We are no better than the Democrats–give us a little power and we go nuts.

This was terrible.

We cannot fix the government until we have a mandate to do it. Now we are further from that mandate than we were before because we proved we can handle power no better than the Democrats.

We got nothing but bad blood out of this stupid show down.

Luckily it really is a small thing that will pass. Honestly, it was a debt ceiling increase. That is the most routine thing in the world.

Hopefully, the world will forget Republicans are power hungry politicians just like the Democrats and still trust them to fix things. But it is less likely now that the power hungry Republican beast has shown it self.

petunia on July 30, 2011 at 12:40 AM

http://jewishworldreview.com/cols/sowell072911.php3

anybody want to argue with Sowell?

windansea on July 30, 2011 at 12:40 AM

Analysis says Reid’s budget plan contains gimmicks that could result in tax increases – http://t.co/SN7sDnT

andy85719 on July 30, 2011 at 12:28 AM

Should anyone be surprised? The Dems are always pushing their agenda; and “compromise” and “bipartisonship” really means one thing to the Dems: Dems win, Reps lose. It’s all Dems, all the time.

SheetAnchor on July 30, 2011 at 12:40 AM

Cindy Munford on July 30, 2011 at 12:36 AM

Jeeper’s! I surely didn’t (LINK) mean to make anyone (LINK) mad. Hehe.

LINK

Geochelone on July 30, 2011 at 12:41 AM

anybody want to argue with Sowell?
windansea on July 30, 2011 at 12:40 AM

Am I allowed to disagree with him?

Bishop on July 30, 2011 at 12:42 AM

Cindy Munford on July 30, 2011 at 12:36 AM

Jeeper’s! I surely didn’t (LINK) mean to make anyone (LINK) mad. Hehe.

LINK

Geochelone on July 30, 2011 at 12:42 AM

well said: Principles before Party.

RedRobin145 on July 29, 2011 at 11:10 PM

……and THIS is why I think the Tea Party made the right decision to push this to the floor. They showed that they are about PRINCIPLE. They may be small but so was David facing Goliath. So was Gideon, weak in the natural was Samson.

After this clusterfark there are only two parties standing on principles. The Democrats and the Tea Party.

I’m proud that some stood tall. Now when 0-16 Coach Boehner presents his “compromised” plan with Reid (it’s the best we could get….waaaaaaaa, waaaaaaaa) I hope the Tea Party Freshman say “shove it”.

I’m going to keep repeating it.

The ENTIRE GOP leadership should resign immediately. They are a like the coaches of NFL team that comes up 0-16 every year and still comes back to the fans/owners of the team and says…..”but we did the best we could…..we got to the 50 yard line a couple of times.”

RESIGN COACH BOEHNER.
RESIGN COACH CANTOR.
RESIGN COACH NOEM.
RESIGN COACH HENSARLING
RESIGN COACH MCCONNELL
RESIGN COACH CORNYN.

PappyD61 on July 30, 2011 at 12:42 AM

I don’t think a lot of the TP types really get what they are risking here. Palin doesn’t seem too clued in either.

Southernblogger on July 29, 2011 at 11:43 PM

Don’t be ridiculous. The essence of negotiation is that I take one position, you take another, and we bargain our way forward. We had an excellent, bipartisan bill in CCB. It was the Democrats’ turn to propose a bill. And instead Boehner felt obligated to pass another one. He moved the overton window to the Dems for no reason. We are now going to get a bill with NO budget cuts whatsoever. That is piss-poor negotiating. Tea Partiers aren’t stupid and we are following the issue very carefully. This was not done well and I am angry it has come to this: We get nothing but a symbolic vote yet again.

I am sick to death of the insinuation that TPers are ignorant and unsophisticated. Broaden your mind and consider that we have a point.

By the way, I thought the Tea Party was already toxic the moment it appeared back in 2009.

ddrintn on July 30, 2011 at 12:38 AM

Then you’re a fool. We were demoralized and disorganized in 2008 compared to the Democrats and the TP is the only reason we got the energy back to take the House.

alwaysfiredup on July 30, 2011 at 12:43 AM

petunia on July 30, 2011 at 12:40 AM

I don’t know what world you live in, but there wasn’t a single ounce of fight shown by the GOP. They did nothing but cave.

You must live in an alternate reality or something.

fossten on July 30, 2011 at 12:43 AM

Hopefully, the world will forget Republicans are power hungry politicians just like the Democrats and still trust them to fix things.

petunia on July 30, 2011 at 12:40 AM

“Fix things” how, exactly? You mean by *gasp* being power mad and thinking that maybe we shouldn’t spend as much as we take in?? Oh, the humanity…

ddrintn on July 30, 2011 at 12:43 AM

It truly is us vs. the establishment. And the GOP leadership is our enemy.

There, I said it.

fossten on July 30, 2011 at 12:33 AM

And exactly why conservatives should give preference to a presidential candidate who has proven they are willing to call out the GOP establishment.

It was shameful the number of conservative pundits rebuke the Tea Partiers for embarrassing Boehner – as if that was a cardinal sin far worse than protecting his image at the expense of the future of the country.

miConsevative on July 30, 2011 at 12:44 AM

Fragging: “To intentionally kill or wound (one’s superior officer, etc.), esp. with a hand grenade.

This is about the stupidest thing I ever read, not to mention a slander, almost Blood Libel, and the rest of this article isn’t much better. Does this Kathleen Parker have the brain of a 6 year old. If so, I’ll bet the 6 year old was glad to be rid of it.

If the nation defaults on its financial obligations, the blame belongs to the Tea Party Republicans

Kathleen Parker talks about the “Tea Partiers” like Adolf Hitler talked about the Jews. Just blame them and make them the scapegoat even though, or maybe because, they are a minority. What a neo-Nazi she is. Why is hotair quoting neo-Nazis? Charles Johnson will have a ball.

Lon Chaney on July 30, 2011 at 12:44 AM

SheetAnchor on July 30, 2011 at 12:34 AM

What I’ve been telling folks in my TP cell … is that … there are two GOP parties – one for the elites and one for the TP.

We got into this fight because one party needed to be whipped into shape to fix this great nation. The GOP had the philosophy to do it – but had NEVER lived up to that philosophy. So we ran TP candidates in the GOP.

But – we have to realize, that the elites will conspire with the Dims against us – because we’re not welcome in the GOP. We F*** Up their little beltway martini circus.

Soooo … in a fight to keep spending under control – we have to realize that establishment GOP is JUST AS MUCH AN ENEMY as the Dims are. Money is power … money cut from the Washington DC crowd means less power in the martini circus. The elites don’t want to cut spending any more than the Dims do.

So we have to realize – we’re NOT in the GOP caucus as long as it’s led by the elites. We should not allow the GOP caucus to “whip” our votes – we should have our own “whips”.

If the TP freshmen would band together in this manner – Boehner would not be able to breathe without TP permission.

As it is now – we are delusional – thinking we are on the same team with the elites – they don’t have our interests, or the interests of Americans in their heart.

For them – it’s all about the martini circuses.

HondaV65 on July 30, 2011 at 12:44 AM

Am I allowed to disagree with him?

Bishop on July 30, 2011 at 12:42 AM

No, the media has proclaimed that anyone who disagrees is a country bumpkin and for some reason people who do not venture out of DC assume it’s true, even if they are supposed to be our ideological allies. Sick. of. it.

alwaysfiredup on July 30, 2011 at 12:45 AM

Southernblogger on July 30, 2011 at 12:24 AM

You’re funny. I’ll leave you alone now, consider you mission to vilify the Tea Party as accomplished. Very convincing, I am sure you swayed the masses..

Cindy Munford on July 30, 2011 at 12:45 AM

Hopefully, the world will forget Republicans are power hungry politicians just like the Democrats and still trust them to fix things.

petunia on July 30, 2011 at 12:40 AM

Why are you on our side, again?

alwaysfiredup on July 30, 2011 at 12:45 AM

I am sick to death of the insinuation that TPers are ignorant and unsophisticated. Broaden your mind and consider that we have a point.

By the way, I thought the Tea Party was already toxic the moment it appeared back in 2009.

ddrintn on July 30, 2011 at 12:38 AM

Then you’re a fool. We were demoralized and disorganized in 2008 compared to the Democrats and the TP is the only reason we got the energy back to take the House.

alwaysfiredup on July 30, 2011 at 12:43 AM

Uhhhhh…the quote was from Parker’s column. I’m saying Parker no doubt thought the TP was toxic in 2009 as well. Then they became semi-good or something. Then toxic again.

ddrintn on July 30, 2011 at 12:46 AM

OK, Boehner passed his plan, sparked an unnecessary civil war and it’s tabled by a greater margin than CCB. Can anyone tell me what he hoped to gain by it? Please. I am genuinely mystified.

promachus on July 30, 2011 at 12:47 AM

We might have gotten something

petunia on July 30, 2011 at 12:40 AM-

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Just what was that?

CW on July 30, 2011 at 12:47 AM

alwaysfiredup on July 30, 2011 at 12:45 AM

Oh well I’ll just have to be a bumpkin slopehead flyover hick and disagree then. When they come for me, I’ll throw hayseeds at them.

Bishop on July 30, 2011 at 12:47 AM

HondaV65 on July 30, 2011 at 12:44 AM

At the rate the GOP leadership is going, we won’t need to form a third party – they’ll BECOME the third party.

fossten on July 30, 2011 at 12:48 AM

Ten year plan, we don’t have ten years. These idiots aren’t serious.

Bishop on July 30, 2011 at 12:37 AM

Heck, even the USSR had only 5-year plans, and they were a joke.

Schadenfreude on July 30, 2011 at 12:48 AM

When they come for me, I’ll throw hayseeds at them.

Bishop on July 30, 2011 at 12:47 AM

Me too, but they’ll hurt.

Schadenfreude on July 30, 2011 at 12:49 AM

LINK
Geochelone on July 30, 2011 at 12:42 AM

Dude.

Are you linknig to your own comments? That’s almost as bad as ed linking to his own posts that he didn’t even write.

peacenprosperity on July 30, 2011 at 12:49 AM

OK, Boehner passed his plan, sparked an unnecessary civil war and it’s tabled by a greater margin than CCB. Can anyone tell me what he hoped to gain by it? Please. I am genuinely mystified.

promachus on July 30, 2011 at 12:47 AM

Well, he’ll still get invited to the Dems’ parties, I ‘spect.

fossten on July 30, 2011 at 12:49 AM

Uhhhhh…the quote was from Parker’s column. I’m saying Parker no doubt thought the TP was toxic in 2009 as well. Then they became semi-good or something. Then toxic again.

ddrintn on July 30, 2011 at 12:46 AM

Ah. Whoops! Sorry, I missed the reference. :)

alwaysfiredup on July 30, 2011 at 12:50 AM

anybody want to argue with Sowell?

windansea on July 30, 2011 at 12:40 AM

Am I allowed to disagree with him?

Bishop on July 30, 2011 at 12:42 AM

Beat me to it Bishop. FYI windansea, Sowell is wrong! Now stop gaping at my insolence and start educating yourself.

Pattosensei on July 30, 2011 at 12:50 AM

Hopefully, the world will forget Republicans are power hungry politicians just like the Democrats and still trust them to fix things.

petunia on July 30, 2011 at 12:40 AM

Why are you on our side, again?

alwaysfiredup on July 30, 2011 at 12:45 AM

Petunia’s a Mitt groupie. ‘Nuff said.

ddrintn on July 30, 2011 at 12:50 AM

The ENTIRE GOP leadership should resign immediately. They are a like the coaches of NFL team that comes up 0-16 every year and still comes back to the fans/owners of the team and says…..”but we did the best we could…..we got to the 50 yard line a couple of times.”

PappyD61 on July 30, 2011 at 12:42 AM

Perfection! And I might add, it was very gracious of you not to mention that those couple of times that they did get to the 50 yard line, they wet their pants and started crying.

Lon Chaney on July 30, 2011 at 12:51 AM

peacenprosperity on July 30, 2011 at 12:34 AM

Some of us Florida HotAirians are talking about driving down South to meet each other. Knucklehead may fly in, are you interested? katy the mean old lady and JetBoy and a few others, I’m drawing a blank.

Cindy Munford on July 30, 2011 at 12:51 AM

Perfection! And I might add, it was very gracious of you not to mention that those couple of times that they did get to the 50 yard line, they wet their pants and started crying.

Lon Chaney on July 30, 2011 at 12:51 AM

Wait, when did this happen! I missed it!

fossten on July 30, 2011 at 12:52 AM

Petunia believes in a worthless resolution. Actually worse than worthless. It is one that hurts America and is rife with further GOP complicity.

CW on July 30, 2011 at 12:52 AM

OK, Boehner passed his plan, sparked an unnecessary civil war and it’s tabled by a greater margin than CCB. Can anyone tell me what he hoped to gain by it?

He now has a bill with his name on it that passed the house. reids bill also failed. They will take the two, turn it into something barry will accept, and then pass it. johnny will claim victory for the republcans. When it does nothing positive and the economy continues down the toilet, barry and harry will blame johnny.

peacenprosperity on July 30, 2011 at 12:53 AM

Bishop on July 30, 2011 at 12:47 AM

When they come for me…

coldwarrior on July 30, 2011 at 12:53 AM

anybody want to argue with Sowell?

windansea on July 30, 2011 at 12:40 AM

You have just engaged in the logical fallacy called “Appeal to authority”.

Lon Chaney on July 30, 2011 at 12:54 AM

As it is now – we are delusional – thinking we are on the same team with the elites – they don’t have our interests, or the interests of Americans in their heart.

For them – it’s all about the martini circuses.

HondaV65 on July 30, 2011 at 12:44 AM

Oh, I can assure you I had no confidence in establishment Reps to do anything more than what they usually do – whatever it takes to protect themselves personally. This started after Reagan, when Bush 1 broke his “read my lips” pledge. Reps are on the verge of compromising us right into oblivion. They only thing that might stop them and the Dems before is too late is the Tea Party common sense citizens.

SheetAnchor on July 30, 2011 at 12:54 AM

MrX on July 30, 2011 at 12:36 AM

Yeah, reading Kathleen Parker actually lowers your I.Q.. It’s a fact.

Cindy Munford on July 30, 2011 at 12:54 AM

You have just engaged in the logical fallacy called “Appeal to authority”.

Lon Chaney on July 30, 2011 at 12:54 AM

I didn’t want to say that! LOL

SheetAnchor on July 30, 2011 at 12:55 AM

coldwarrior on July 30, 2011 at 12:19 AM

Yes he was abandoned by many that he supported and helped.
The aid he gave during those times with his writings probably don’t have a money value. It seems like he was used perhaps for the furthering of others advancement.

You are right that he would be called a lunatic or worse. Some of our Founders would not be welcome and most likely couldn’t be elected to Congress. Sad really. But it is a reflection on how far our values have fallen.

I think that is what drives the Tea Party members, back to basics. It will take time however, as we didn’t get here overnight. Same thing with the condition of the Government.

bluefox on July 30, 2011 at 12:55 AM

Wait, when did this happen! I missed it!

fossten on July 30, 2011 at 12:52 AM

What, you don’t remember this?

Pattosensei on July 30, 2011 at 12:55 AM

Cindy Munford on July 30, 2011 at 12:51 AM

I’ll meet you for a beer and some heavy metal whenever it’s possible, Cindy. If you see The Westerlies playing anywhere come on out and you’ll find proud Pappa front and center.

peacenprosperity on July 30, 2011 at 12:56 AM

“Get your asses in line!”

-Boehner

Anyone want to argue with Boney? Huh?

Bishop on July 30, 2011 at 12:57 AM

Wait, when did this happen! I missed it!

fossten on July 30, 2011 at 12:52 AM

Don’t worry that you missed it as I am quite sure they will do it again.

Lon Chaney on July 30, 2011 at 12:57 AM

“Get your asses in line!”

-Boehner

Anyone want to argue with Boney? Huh?

Bishop on July 30, 2011 at 12:57 AM

He wasn’t tough like that when he was in the Navy. He washed out in 6 weeks. From the Navy!

Lon Chaney on July 30, 2011 at 12:58 AM

HEY CINDY!!!!

By the way, are you by any chance going to the Further concert tomorrow at the amphitheater? If you are, I’m camping in Anastasia and will be there from around 3:00 on. It would be great to hook up with you and your husband.

peacenprosperity on July 30, 2011 at 1:01 AM

Lon Chaney on July 30, 2011 at 12:58 AM

So I’ll add you to the list of people who refuse to get their ass in line like a good little party member. Fine. You’ll be sorry, you’ll ALL be sorry.

Bishop on July 30, 2011 at 1:01 AM

He washed out…From the Navy!

You did that on purpose, didn’t you. ;)

Anyhow, good night TP folks.

Good night to you squishes out there as well.

Pattosensei on July 30, 2011 at 1:02 AM

By the way, are you by any chance going to the Further concert tomorrow at the amphitheater?

You know it’s time to hit the sack when your first scan of a comment reads “the Fuhrer concert”.

I did a double take, chuckled nervously, and thought of my bed.

Bishop on July 30, 2011 at 1:04 AM

You’ll be sorry, you’ll ALL be sorry.

Bishop on July 30, 2011 at 1:01 AM

I think you left out “bwa ha ha ha ha”.

alwaysfiredup on July 30, 2011 at 1:04 AM

Some of our Founders would not be welcome and most likely couldn’t be elected to Congress. Sad really. But it is a reflection on how far our values have fallen.

I think that is what drives the Tea Party members, back to basics. It will take time however, as we didn’t get here overnight. Same thing with the condition of the Government.

bluefox on July 30, 2011 at 12:55 AM

Roger that! They had moral courage and clarity; and that is exactly what drives the Tea Party. It is that old forgotten liberty or death attitude. We will not yield in defense of this country, any more than the Founders would against the King of England. Basics = common sense. We understand how debt will destroy a household or this great nation; and the time has long passed to cut up the credit card.

SheetAnchor on July 30, 2011 at 1:04 AM

peacenprosperity on July 30, 2011 at 12:56 AM

I can do that. We are in Virginia right now but our son has a show on 8/27 Guilty Conscience but I don’t know where right now. Does your son’s band have a website?

Cindy Munford on July 30, 2011 at 1:04 AM

From the Navy!
Lon Chaney on July 30, 2011 at 12:58 AM

Hey! I’m a Navy man and I resent that comm…well ok, I will admit that boot camp was easier than high school hockey practices.

Bishop on July 30, 2011 at 1:06 AM

Bishop on July 30, 2011 at 1:06 AM

My grammy and I resent you suggesting that we stalk cs.

Cindy Munford on July 30, 2011 at 1:07 AM

I think the verify part was thrown out before it even started.

We’re verifying just how terrible all of this legislation is only after it’s been passed, and then the old rule D.C. rule of “Once it exists it never goes away” comes into effect.

I’m tired of hearing wait until next year.

Bishop on July 30, 2011 at 12:32 AM

Well verification is at best an approximate notion. And you have rightly pointed out the disparity in what is INTENDED and what ultimately becomes the harsh REALITY.

Usually the consequences are felt only years later and so remain uncorrelated with the root-legislation that caused them. The outcome becomes a topic for analysis and debate by pin-heads who can deny the sensible laws of cause and effect and point the blame at all the cardinal directions of the compass at the same time.

Even if we could verify the true intentions, and I am not saying that even those are always aligned in our best interests, one still has to face the nasty in-determinism in the actual results.

And when the legislation doesn’t work? Well its time to declare another crisis wherein only those same politicians that have so admirably adapted themselves to life in a bubble-world come rushing in as first-responders to save us from ourselves.

What would we do without them?

Geochelone on July 30, 2011 at 1:08 AM

@windandsea 12:40 RE: Sowell

Now that the Republicans seem to have gotten the Democrats off their higher taxes kick

I respectfully raise a point of order. There isn’t final deal yet, we don’t know what will be in it.

One well known tactic of Union Contract Labor negotiators is ‘the real negotiations do not start until the picket lines go up’. Since Obama is a graduate of that school, it would seem that real negotiations haven’t yet started, and won’t start until after we’ve been pushed over the cliff and the financial markets are in a panic. Once the chaos hits the air circulation apparatus, tax increases might well magically reappear.

Skandia Recluse on July 30, 2011 at 1:08 AM

I think you left out “bwa ha ha ha ha”.
alwaysfiredup on July 30, 2011 at 1:04 AM

I’m conservative which means I’m automatically dull, insensitive, boring, and mean spirited. I don’t laugh. Unless there are poor people being trampled by corporate jet owners then I laugh and point like any proper, unfeeling, rightwing jerkwad.

Bishop on July 30, 2011 at 1:08 AM

Overreaching: Asking for a balanced budget amendment supported by majority of the American people.

Acceptable: Cutting just $22b when the deficit is $1,800b and we will add $9b in additional debt over the next 10 years.

Norwegian on July 29, 2011 at 10:56 PM

QFT.

portlandon on July 30, 2011 at 1:08 AM

To those who can’t see the tea party is destroying the GOP and will help Obama get re-elected, you’re blind, and you can’t see anything. These people have officially gone off the deep end. They often say Reagan couldn’t even be elected in today’s GOP…they’re wrong. He couldn’t be elected by the tea party idiots, the GOP would gladly have him, because they have some sense left.

Sarah Palin has, once again, proven herself a dunce and a joke. She’s an embarrassment, and she and people like her will do nothing to us except ensure Obama gets another 4 disastrous years.

TheBlueSite on July 30, 2011 at 1:09 AM

Cindy Munford on July 30, 2011 at 1:07 AM

LOL.

Geochelone on July 30, 2011 at 1:09 AM

TheBlueSite on July 30, 2011 at 1:09 AM

Disjointed, non sequitur crap. Wandering around aimlessly in vain in search of a thought.

fossten on July 30, 2011 at 1:11 AM

Some of our Founders would not be welcome and most likely couldn’t be elected to Congress.

bluefox on July 30, 2011 at 12:55 AM

Now, as then, it would take an American … something that starts with R.

Ronnie on July 30, 2011 at 1:13 AM

Sarah Palin has, once again, proven herself a dunce and a joke. She’s an embarrassment, and she and people like her will do nothing to us except ensure Obama gets another 4 disastrous years.
TheBlueSite on July 30, 2011 at 1:09 AM

With an assist from rock-ribbed conservatives such as yourself, the guy who once said he would vote for PBHO before voting for Palin.

Oh yeah, another disastrous 4 years? I’ll remind you of this little gem:

an Obama second term would mean a mere 4 yrs to get rid of an idiot celebrity with no brand damage done.
TheBlueSite on January 28, 2011 at 2:48 PM

It’s only a “mere 4 years” so what are you so worried about?

Bishop on July 30, 2011 at 1:15 AM

Mark Levin had a nice twitter to Ingraham today.

“How are those book sales?” LMAO!!!!

katy on July 29, 2011 at 11:01 PM

Mark Levin is a fat blowhard punk, who is probably jealous that Laura is great looking and has a Fox News gig, and he is neither of those things.

Maybe that fat loser should tell all how great Christine O’Donnell is again.

Dreadnought on July 30, 2011 at 1:15 AM

Here ya go, Cindy

peacenprosperity on July 30, 2011 at 1:17 AM

Oh my, look at all the happy people who have arrived all at once. Time to go to sleep.

Cindy Munford on July 30, 2011 at 1:17 AM

Bishop on July 30, 2011 at 1:15 AM

I think Palin, with this current debate, has proven that she will destroy the GOP. Palin and Obama are both dunces who will do nothing but drive us further into the ground.

Unfortunately, a lot of people adore celebrities. I’m not one of those people. I like actual leaders who know their stuff and aren’t halfwits.

TheBlueSite on July 30, 2011 at 1:17 AM

petunia on July 30, 2011 at 12:40 AM

We cannot fix the government until we have a mandate to do it.

What, you slept through 2010?

Honestly, it was a debt ceiling increase. That is the most routine thing in the world.

I’m thinking the reason for this whole ‘exercise’ is that maybe they’ve become a little too routine?

2ipa on July 30, 2011 at 1:18 AM

peacenprosperity on July 30, 2011 at 1:17 AM

I got a “server not found” message.

Cindy Munford on July 30, 2011 at 1:18 AM

Am I allowed to disagree with him?

Bishop on July 30, 2011 at 12:42 AM

You have just engaged in the logical fallacy called “Appeal to authority”.

Lon Chaney on July 30, 2011 at 12:54 AM

Beat me to it Bishop. FYI windansea, Sowell is wrong! Now stop gaping at my insolence and start educating yourself.

Pattosensei on July 30, 2011 at 12:50 AM

crickets chirping but no real arguments

windansea on July 30, 2011 at 1:18 AM

Maybe that fat loser should tell all how great Christine O’Donnell is again.

Dreadnought on July 30, 2011 at 1:15 AM

So what’s Carly Fiorina doing these days?

alwaysfiredup on July 30, 2011 at 1:19 AM

2ipa on July 30, 2011 at 1:18 AM

Excellent points.

Cindy Munford on July 30, 2011 at 1:19 AM

Laura Ingraham is a conservative and a good voice for the conservative movement..:)

Dire Straits on July 30, 2011 at 1:19 AM

crickets chirping but no real arguments

windansea on July 30, 2011 at 1:18 AM

Did you read mine? I’ll make it simple for your poor eyes:

The essence of negotiation is that I take one position, you take another, and we bargain our way forward. We had an excellent, bipartisan bill in CCB. It was the Democrats’ turn to propose a bill. And instead Boehner felt obligated to pass another one. He moved the overton window to the Dems for no reason. We are now going to get a bill with NO budget cuts whatsoever. That is piss-poor negotiating. Tea Partiers aren’t stupid and we are following the issue very carefully. This was not done well and I am angry it has come to this: We get nothing but a symbolic vote yet again.

alwaysfiredup on July 30, 2011 at 1:20 AM

I did a double take, chuckled nervously, and thought of my bed.

That is a variation of the remnants of the Grateful Dead.

peacenprosperity on July 30, 2011 at 1:20 AM

alwaysfiredup on July 30, 2011 at 12:43 AM

Why are the Tea Party members being blamed for the plans that Speaker Boehner brought up in the House? Are they equally being blamed for Reid tabling(killing) the bill the House sent?

I agree the negotiations should have been handled differently.

Just having a difficult time understanding all of the hate towards the Tea Party.

bluefox on July 30, 2011 at 1:20 AM

I’m thinking the reason for this whole ‘exercise’ is that maybe they’ve become a little too routine?

2ipa on July 30, 2011 at 1:18 AM

That and we’ve stopped having budget debates, since we have no budget and no plans to have one anytime soon.

alwaysfiredup on July 30, 2011 at 1:21 AM

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