Open thread: Senate ready to table … everything? Update: McConnell not negotiating with Reid — yet; Update: Boehner’s bill defeated, 59-41; Update: Senate to vote on Reid’s bill?

posted at 8:00 pm on July 29, 2011 by Allahpundit

Scotty B might be off the hook. Over at the Examiner, Philip Klein hears that the Senate’s not only about to table Boehner’s bill, they’re about to table Reid’s bill. How come? Apparently it has to do with the CBO score: Reid’s plan ended up coming in lower than expected, just as Boehner’s bill did, so presumably he thinks it’s D.O.A. as is. (In fact, if you toss out Reid’s gimmicks, Boehner’s bill would save more money than his would.) Whether that’s true or just an excuse because he realizes the GOP has enough votes to filibuster, I assume this means Reid won’t bother offering his own bill at all. What he’ll do instead is meet with McConnell and Boehner tonight and come up with something that can get seven Republican votes, then file for cloture late — very late — this evening so that they’re on track for a final vote on Monday. But who knows? Things are chaotic right now. Turn on CSPAN 2 and watch the fun.

There’s already been one surprise since the House vote, in fact. From Cantor’s spokesman:

House to vote on @SenatorReid ‘s Debt Ceiling bill tomorrow – will show not capable of passing.

They’re pushing that out now, of course, to warn Reid not to waste time by pushing his own bill. Maybe that’s why he’s supposedly ready to table his own plan. Stand by for updates. Possible RINO sightings to come!

Update: A cryptic tweet from Claire McCaskill:

McConnell told Senator Reid at around 6pm that he will not negotiate with him. Sigh. Very Disappointing.

I think that means he won’t negotiate until Boehner’s bill is voted on. As for Reid’s own bill being tabled, Mark Knoller illuminates: “McConnell offered to let Reid vote on his deficit bill tonight. Reid agreed IF McConnell agrees to simple majority passage. Offer withdrawn.” So the GOP held out. Reid didn’t have the votes.

Update: Boehner’s bill is dead — but not on a party-line vote. It was 59/41, presumably because Senate tea partiers like DeMint and Rand Paul voted no. I’ll post the roll as soon as I have it.

Update: Another surprise: It looks like Reid wants a vote on his bill after all and is “filling the amendment tree” to make sure the GOP doesn’t try to add anything to it. But he doesn’t have the votes. Supposedly, he’s called a presser at 8:45 p.m. to whine about a GOP filibuster.

Update: McConnell’s offering to vote on Reid’s bill now but Reid won’t agree unless it’s a simple majority. He can’t get to 60. Republicans are holding the line (or at least 41 are).

Update: The six Republicans who voted against Boehner’s bill: DeMint, Lee, Paul, Vitter, and Orrin Hatch and Lindsey Graham, both of whom are in robust reelection-pander mode.

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Caiwyn: Reid has already shot himself in the foot with that particular issue. And, of course, the 53-signature letter also gives any cover DeMint and Paul needed.

Scott H on July 29, 2011 at 9:21 PM

That’s how it looks to me, anyhow.

Alana on July 29, 2011 at 9:12 PM

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The Senate has done nothing! One of my two stupid Democrat Senators, Mark Warner, was whining on Fox today that he didn’t want to be in the Congress that incurred the first American credit downgrade in history yet he has done nothing to fight against Mumblemouth Reid and his lowlife vitriol. I think they all go to “How to Hate Republicans” training sessions because it sure seems that the best haters get the most attention and power.
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The next time some dumba$$ Democrat says that he or she cannot support spending reduction without draconian tax increases, just scream “Hope and Change, Baby! Hope and Change!”
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My other Senator, Webb, is quitting after one term, so I plan to work for two Republican Senators from my state in the next two election cycles.

ExpressoBold on July 29, 2011 at 9:21 PM

No filibuster…

… Dusty farts just won’t allow a vote on his bill because it would go down in defeat. And the media swallowed with glee.

Reminds me after the economic collapse…

… all signs pointed to the Democrat Liberal Social Engineering over the years that finally caught up to us, and thanks to the media, when the smoke cleared, the Democrats had control of the House, Senate, and the White House.

Now we are at another economic crisis…

… and the media is going to spin this to get those who caused it again, especially Obowma, re-elected.

THIS HAS GOT TO STOP…!!!

Seven Percent Solution on July 29, 2011 at 9:23 PM

Swell…. now we are looking at the “Reid Bill” instead of Cut and Cap…. Once again, the GOP gets it handed to them because they pander to liberals.

ultracon on July 29, 2011 at 9:23 PM

ultracon: If you’ve been listening at all, Reid has been saying for a while that it’s either his bill or nothing.

Hopefully the GOP makes the right choice of ‘nothing’.

Scott H on July 29, 2011 at 9:25 PM

Let’s see which Republicans we can think of that will vote for McConnell-Reid-Democrat plan..

Brown
Snowe
Collins
McCain
McConnell
Lugar
Coburn
Chambliss
Corker
Hatch

SouthernGent on July 29, 2011 at 9:25 PM

This is who we need at a time like this..

Jocundus on July 29, 2011 at 9:26 PM

Proof the Dems don’t care a bit about America, but just their own party and power.

sadatoni on July 29, 2011 at 9:26 PM

ultracon on July 29, 2011 at 9:23 PM

A Prediction:

The Reid Bill gets filibustered and the Boehner Bill is a shell for a McConnell Reid Boehner compromise that gives Obama his all clear past the election, no tax increase, spending cuts equal to debt rise (albeit probably fuzzy numbers)and it then passes the house with Democrat votes and Pelosi claims victory because there are no entitlement cuts.

KW64 on July 29, 2011 at 9:27 PM

Hopefully the GOP makes the right choice of ‘nothing’.

You accidently put GOP and right choice in the same sentence.

Hongqi on July 29, 2011 at 9:27 PM

Jim DeMint needs to reconsider his, I won’t primary any of the Senators in 2012 pledge. There are a few I can name begging to be primaried.

Dr Evil on July 29, 2011 at 9:28 PM

Should I stay up waiting on the Republican presser where they set the record straight?

neuquenguy on July 29, 2011 at 9:28 PM

Hongqi: I’m not holding my breath, note.

Scott H on July 29, 2011 at 9:28 PM

We need a list of the seats open in 2012, and who is up for reelection in 2012.

Dr Evil on July 29, 2011 at 9:29 PM

Scott: the point is that Reps could have one this battle, and ceded it to the Dems out of fear. And the Dems know the Reps operate out of fear.

I am not a Republican (never have been) and have been an Independent for 25 years. Thus, I do not understand the attitude of watching your opponent attack you relentlessly, and never responding in kind or fighting back.

All they had to do was stand firm in the House. Boehner should have never proposed any plan other than CCB and walked away and let Obama decide whether we default or not. Instead Boehner put the ball in his own court, instead of leaving it with Obama; and he did it out of fear of being blamed for default.

Obama never would have defaulted. Reps have been “had” by a community organizer – again. Maybe it’s just because I am from Chicago, and know Obama’s attitude and how he operates. It is almost funny, except the country is at stake. He just keeps daring Reps to stop him, and Reps fold every time. I mean he told Cantor to his face, “Eric, don’t call my bluff on this; I will go to the American people;” and Reps tremble in fear.

My goodness. He would have written the checks to pay the interest on the debt, social security, military personnel, and medicare and medicaid. He’s a community organizer! You always threaten; and if they buy it, you win. Jesse Jackson has been using this for 40 years!

SheetAnchor on July 29, 2011 at 9:29 PM

Jim DeMint needs to reconsider his, I won’t primary any of the Senators in 2012 pledge. There are a few I can name begging to be primaried.

Dr Evil on July 29, 2011 at 9:28 PM

DeMint has his reasons. He may be trying to prevent something like this:

A Prediction:

The Reid Bill gets filibustered and the Boehner Bill is a shell for a McConnell Reid Boehner compromise that gives Obama his all clear past the election, no tax increase, spending cuts equal to debt rise (albeit probably fuzzy numbers)and it then passes the house with Democrat votes and Pelosi claims victory because there are no entitlement cuts.

KW64 on July 29, 2011 at 9:27 PM

INC on July 29, 2011 at 9:30 PM

Should I stay up waiting on the Republican presser where they set the record straight?

neuquenguy on July 29, 2011 at 9:28 PM

In a word, NO!

SheetAnchor on July 29, 2011 at 9:30 PM

Hongqi: I’m not holding my breath, note.

Haha, probably a good idea – otherwise you might pass out.

Hongqi on July 29, 2011 at 9:32 PM

A Prediction:

The Reid Bill gets filibustered and the Boehner Bill is a shell for a McConnell Reid Boehner compromise that gives Obama his all clear past the election, no tax increase, spending cuts equal to debt rise (albeit probably fuzzy numbers)and it then passes the house with Democrat votes and Pelosi claims victory because there are no entitlement cuts.

KW64 on July 29, 2011 at 9:27 PM

I would believe that if the Bill is passed i the house with mostly Democrat votes, Boehner could be in some trouble.

whbates on July 29, 2011 at 9:32 PM

Chuck Schumer on House members: “They can’t even tie their shoes!”

What a disgrace that man is.

IrishEi on July 29, 2011 at 9:10 PM

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Especially when, just moments earlier, Schumer had no idea how to silence the ringing cell phone & had to pitch it to someone offstage. Ass.

NightmareOnKStreet on July 29, 2011 at 9:32 PM

People, the enemy is not Allen West or Laura Ingraham or Mike Pence. The enemy is on your TV screen right now. Don’t ever forget that these vile people are who we have to, absolutely must, defeat.

JohnInCA on July 29, 2011 at 9:33 PM

Yeesh. Dump the Chumps!

ronsfi on July 29, 2011 at 9:34 PM

All should have great “respect” for the political skills of the Democrats. That’s what they DO. The Republicans, on the other hand, may be “wonkish”, but their political skills are not so good. The Republicans are being “set up” by the Democrats – who are painting them into a corner, setting them up for all sorts of blame and getting them alienated from a good chunk of their base. Remember that the Democrats’ main goal is to be re-elected – and get the House back. Many of them really don’t give a rat’s rear about the long-term future of the country as WE know it. Once the economy is further re-tooled by re-distribution and the demographics continue to progress in their favor, it will be almost impossible to get them out of power. They have a “lock” on about 47% of the population and only need 4% more! The Republicans don’t have a “lock” on NEARLY that percent. Part of the Democrat “power” strategy is also to split the Republican Party. If that happens, they win. Boehner and the Republicans are being played like a Stradivarius by Obama, Reid, etc.

Lon Chaney on July 29, 2011 at 9:34 PM

Especially when, just moments earlier, Schumer had no idea how to silence the ringing cell phone & had to pitch it to someone offstage. Ass.

NightmareOnKStreet on July 29, 2011 at 9:32 PM

Oh, you’re kidding me! How ironic!

INC on July 29, 2011 at 9:35 PM

People, the enemy is not Allen West or Laura Ingraham or Mike Pence. The enemy is on your TV screen right now. Don’t ever forget that these vile people are who we have to, absolutely must, defeat.

JohnInCA on July 29, 2011 at 9:33 PM

Funny, you were singing a different tune last night when you were whining about how necessary it was to pander to them and give them what they wanted.

Some of us were smart enough to realize that they were vile people in 2008. Maybe you McCain-Romney supporters will catch on soon, but history isn’t supportive of that happening.

northdallasthirty on July 29, 2011 at 9:38 PM

People, the enemy is not Allen West or Laura Ingraham or Mike Pence. The enemy is on your TV screen right now.
JohnInCA on July 29, 2011 at 9:33 PM

This is indeed disturbing as I am watching an historical show about Ronald Reagan.

Bishop on July 29, 2011 at 9:39 PM

SheetAnchor on July 29, 2011 at 9:29 PM

Well said. I’d only amend it by saying what the Right really fears is the media. Everything they do is governed by this fear. You’d think this would become tiring and finally intolerable. But it just goes on and on. .

rrpjr on July 29, 2011 at 9:40 PM

The democratic party has always been the party of fear. They scare the American people into voting for them.

William Amos on July 29, 2011 at 9:41 PM

Thus, I do not understand the attitude of watching your opponent attack you relentlessly, and never responding in kind or fighting back.

SheetAnchor on July 29, 2011 at 9:29 PM

Nail on the head.

Time and again, the GOP leaders do nothing. It’s always predictable. When it comes to doing the “right” thing, the republicans have been right there trying to do so. The democrats have obstructed and refused get serious about the spending crisis they have created.

And the democrats get on TV and lie through their asses and paint the republicans as “evil doers,” and the GOP doesn’t do a damn thing.

Stop playing softball with these treasonous morons. Surely Sarah Palin isn’t the only one with a set of huevos?

BruthaMan on July 29, 2011 at 9:43 PM

… and the media is going to spin this to get those who caused it again, especially Obowma, re-elected.

THIS HAS GOT TO STOP…!!!

Seven Percent Solution on July 29, 2011 at 9:23 PM

Only one way to stop it at this point.

Midas on July 29, 2011 at 9:48 PM

Watch the political performance art skills of the Democrats folks.

The Tea Parties should take note and adapt similar skills.

Gotta learn from the best to be the best.

rickyricardo on July 29, 2011 at 9:49 PM

Stop playing softball with these treasonous morons. Surely Sarah Palin isn’t the only one with a set of huevos?

BruthaMan on July 29, 2011 at 9:43 PM

I just don’t get it. They have the truth and the wining arguments (which resonate with the public) on their side and yet they refuse to defend themselves. Sometimes I think this two party thing is just a farce, they are all in it together playing a show for us, just like the World Wrestling Federation or something.

neuquenguy on July 29, 2011 at 9:50 PM

Especially when, just moments earlier, Schumer had no idea how to silence the ringing cell phone & had to pitch it to someone offstage. Ass.

NightmareOnKStreet on July 29, 2011 at 9:32 PM

It was obama twittering him to remember to change his shorts

Rovin on July 29, 2011 at 9:50 PM

Current even today

http://youtu.be/qXBswFfh6AY

William Amos on July 29, 2011 at 9:54 PM

DC Ruling Class are __________ and they are full of _______ and they aren’t worth a bucket of my pigs _______.

__________________!!!!

PappyD61 on July 29, 2011 at 9:55 PM

“One of the little-known features of Harry Reid’s “compromise” proposal–no detailed version of which exists–is that it would “deem” budgets to have been enacted for fiscal years 2012 and 2013. In that event, our government would go a full four years without a lawful, statutory budget being in place. Today, the Republican members of the Senate Budget Committee sent a letter to Reid protesting this procedure. You can read the letter here:”

http://budget.senate.gov/republican/analysis/2011/2011-07-29ReidLetter.pdf

from Powerline

Viator on July 29, 2011 at 9:56 PM

@BarackObama you’re wrong, threatening to throw seniors under the bus because you refuse to prioritize govt spending.Time to #womanup & lead

Sarah Palin
@SarahPalinUSA Sarah Palin

Viator on July 29, 2011 at 9:57 PM

Funny, you were singing a different tune last night when you were whining about how necessary it was to pander to them and give them what they wanted.

Some of us were smart enough to realize that they were vile people in 2008. Maybe you McCain-Romney supporters will catch on soon, but history isn’t supportive of that happening.

northdallasthirty on July 29, 2011 at 9:38 PM

They wanted the Boehner bill? Then, why did they just kill it. I only wanted to throw the Boehner bill in their lap and run out the clock with them having 2 bills handed to them and having passed none of their own. I think it’s a lot stronger position to be in if no deal is reached. I might be wrong on that, we’ll see. But, I never wanted to give them anything they wanted.

Unless you mean giving them the debt-ceiling increase they wanted, in which case you and I and most people here already supported giving that to them already. It was called cut, cap and balance. So, if increasing the debt-ceiling was our line in the sand, we all crossed that one when we supported CCB.

Try again with the McCain-Romney theme, I can’t stand either of them. I’m supporting Perry if/when he gets in. Bachmann or Palin are my second choice.

JohnInCA on July 29, 2011 at 9:58 PM

Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor??

Now is the time for a truly stupid and pointless gesture on our part….. Road trip…

sandee on July 29, 2011 at 10:02 PM

We need a list of the seats open in 2012, and who is up for reelection in 2012.

Dr Evil on July 29, 2011 at 9:29 PM

All of the Congressional Representatives in the House are up for re-election in 2012.

Here is a list of the Senators who are up for re-election in 2012 along with my notes on the Senators who have already announced they will not run for re-election.

http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm?Class=1

Democrats (21)

Daniel Akaka (D-Hawaii)- announced not running in 2012

Jeff Bingaman (D-NM) – announced not running in 2012

Sherrod Brown (D-OH)

Maria Cantwell (D-WA)

Benjamin Cardin (D-MD)

Thomas Carper ( D-DE)

Robert P. Casey Jr. (D-PA)

Kent Conrad (D-ND)- announced not running in 2012

Diane Feinstein (D-CA)

Kirsten Gillibrand (D-NY)

Amy Klobuchar (D-MN)

Herb Kohl (D-WI)- announce will retire at end of term

Joe Manchin (D-WV)

Claire McCaskill (D-MO)

Robert Menendez (D-NJ)

Ben Nelson (D-NE)

Bill Nelson (D-FL)

Debbie Stabenow (D-MI)

Jon Tester (D-MT)

Jim Webb (D-VA)

Sheldon Whitehouse (D-RI)

Republicans (10)

John Barrasso (R – WY)

Scott Brown (R-MA)

Bob Corker (R-TN)

John Ensign (R-NV)- Not running in 2012

Orrin Hatch (R-UT)

Kay Bailey Hutchinson (R-TX)- announced not running in 2012

Jon Kyl (R-AZ)- announced not running in 2012

Richard Lugar (R-IN)

Olympia Snowe (R-ME)

Roger Wicker (R-MS)

Independents (2)

Joseph Lieberman (ID-CT)- announced not running in 2012

Bernard Sanders (ID-VT)

Let’s make sure we have good candidates ready to run against any incumbent who needs to be voted out of office. Candidates who are running in 2012 really need to be working on their campaigns NOW. It takes time to raise money, hire staff, write speeches etc.

wren on July 29, 2011 at 10:03 PM

Daniel Akaka (D-Hawaii)- announced not running in 2012

wren on July 29, 2011 at 10:03 PM

He’s not running again because he’s too old. But chances of his seat going to a R are between 0% and 0.5%

Del Dolemonte on July 29, 2011 at 10:09 PM

Stop playing softball with these treasonous morons. Surely Sarah Palin isn’t the only one with a set of huevos?

BruthaMan on July 29, 2011 at 9:43 PM

Actually, I think she is. Goodness, when she was being accused of motivating the Tuscon mass killer by her political rhetoric, not one prominent Republican said a word in her defense. They even went so far as to encourage her not to defend herself against these allegations.

SheetAnchor on July 29, 2011 at 10:17 PM

Well said. I’d only amend it by saying what the Right really fears is the media. Everything they do is governed by this fear. You’d think this would become tiring and finally intolerable. But it just goes on and on. .

rrpjr on July 29, 2011 at 9:40 PM

I know of one person on the Right who doesn’t have this fear.

pannw on July 29, 2011 at 10:23 PM

I just don’t get it. They have the truth and the wining arguments (which resonate with the public) on their side and yet they refuse to defend themselves.

neuquenguy on July 29, 2011 at 9:50 PM

I don’t think it can be understood outside the analytical framework of psychological sickness. The more they get abused, the more non-responsive and even conciliatory they seem to become. True sickness. Did anyone see the roster of videos at Breitbart over the last 72 hours, with various Leftist/democrat tools calling the GOP “terrorists, “Taliban,” “extremists”, and without ONE response from any republican. Republicans continue to believe that if they’re just nice enough and reasonable enough, the media will “see the light” and police the public discourse on their behalf. It’s simply insane.

And I don’t buy the case that Democrats have superior political skills. What they have is license. They’re brutes, and have license to be brutes. No Republican could ever get away with saying what Reid, Pelosi and Schumer et al have said in the past 72 hours. Remove the media, or impose a rigorous and balanced standard, the democrats would be finished.

rrpjr on July 29, 2011 at 10:24 PM

He’s not running again because he’s too old. But chances of his seat going to a R are between 0% and 0.5%

Del Dolemonte on July 29, 2011 at 10:09 PM

Don’t lose hope yet, Del Dolemonte. Rep. Charles Djou proved that political miracles are possible, even in Hawaii.

Republicans in Hawaii will have to get an early start and work twice as hard though.

As we learned tonight, we need to be fighting for every seat if we are going to have any hope of restoring financial sanity!

Even if our candidates don’t win some of these tough races, it is important for them to run real campaigns to build a stronger foundation for future races and candidates. And at the very least Republican candidates can force the Democrats to spend money and defend their lame positions in the media.

wren on July 29, 2011 at 10:29 PM

He’s not running again because he’s too old. But chances of his seat going to a R are between 0% and 0.5%

Del Dolemonte on July 29, 2011 at 10:09 PM

Squishy GOP Gov. Linda Lingle is actually willing to run for that seat and retains some semblance of popularity.

Note to the RINO-hunters: Let her run.

KingGold on July 29, 2011 at 10:30 PM

Note to the RINO-hunters: Let her run.

KingGold on July 29, 2011 at 10:30 PM

We’ve never kept anyone from running doofus.

HondaV65 on July 29, 2011 at 10:41 PM

As predicted, an entire week wasted. An absolute waste of time and energy.

crosspatch on July 29, 2011 at 10:42 PM

We’ve never kept anyone from running doofus.

HondaV65 on July 29, 2011 at 10:41 PM

Let’s try this one then. Don’t drag some unemployed perennial candidate out of the woodwork and claim you’ve found a “true conservative,” ‘kay?

KingGold on July 29, 2011 at 10:44 PM

KingGold on July 29, 2011 at 10:44 PM

You forgot to say “…and no witches, too!”

Really Right on July 29, 2011 at 10:48 PM

I’m not so sure this will play out how the Dims expected. I just saw on liberal yahoo news a headline reading “In shocking display of partisanship, Senate votes down Boehner plan.” I nearly fell out of my chair, I couldn’t believe it.

Firefly_76 on July 29, 2011 at 10:55 PM

Stop playing softball with these treasonous morons. Surely Sarah Palin isn’t the only one with a set of huevos?

BruthaMan on July 29, 2011 at 9:43 PM

Well, her and Col. West.

Beyond that?

The only name I’m coming up with is Jack Squat…

And for the record, The GOP needs to have a moment like THIS right about now.

SuperCool on July 29, 2011 at 11:01 PM

Update: The six Republicans who voted against Boehner’s bill: DeMint, Lee, Paul, Vitter, and Orrin Hatch and Lindsey Graham, both of whom are in robust reelection-pander mode.

Oh, I see, Allahpundit. So, if you voted against increasing the size of government, you’re pandering.

Got it.

fossten on July 29, 2011 at 11:05 PM

And I wanna see THIS when Blinky brings her punks back out on the ice in The House!

SuperCool on July 29, 2011 at 11:05 PM

fossten on July 29, 2011 at 11:05 PM

Well, in Lindsey’s case it is most definitely true. Although it’s a little early for the pandering cycle; he’s not up until 2014, right?

Firefly_76 on July 29, 2011 at 11:07 PM

Let’s try this one then. Don’t drag some unemployed perennial candidate out of the woodwork and claim you’ve found a “true conservative,” ‘kay?

KingGold on July 29, 2011 at 10:44 PM

Don’t run somebody who calls himself a Republican but who votes Dem 80% of the time, ‘kay?

fossten on July 29, 2011 at 11:07 PM

Well, in Lindsey’s case it is most definitely true. Although it’s a little early for the pandering cycle; he’s not up until 2014, right?

Firefly_76 on July 29, 2011 at 11:07 PM

Shot down your own argument, didn’t ya?

fossten on July 29, 2011 at 11:07 PM

Shot down your own argument, didn’t ya?

fossten on July 29, 2011 at 11:07 PM

heh. kind of. but ‘defending’ Lindsey does not compute.

Firefly_76 on July 29, 2011 at 11:12 PM

Well, in Lindsey’s case it is most definitely true. Although it’s a little early for the pandering cycle; he’s not up until 2014, right?

Firefly_76 on July 29, 2011 at 11:07 PM

Correct. Senator Lindsay Graham (R-SC) is in Class II, so he is up for relection in 2014.

http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm?State=SC

wren on July 29, 2011 at 11:15 PM

Oops! Lindsay should be Lindsey. Sorry.

wren on July 29, 2011 at 11:17 PM

wren on July 29, 2011 at 10:03 PM

Nice list. Add not running in 2012 for Webb. Coward. We’re cursed with the Kaine-Allen remix.

Firefly_76 on July 29, 2011 at 11:21 PM

When you only control one third of the power structure you need to be realistic in your gains.

Passing a dead bill that will gain nothing is an exercise in silliness.

Bargaining for any gains poasible (not a pointless fantasy of Constitutional perfection) until you win more seats in the Senate and gain the WH is the rule of reasonable public servants.

profitsbeard on July 29, 2011 at 11:27 PM

Just remember that for every legislative loss by our scummy so called republicans, they gain more power.

That’s ell yo need to know as we watch these fixed fights

rush is tight when he says we must win elections or we are screwed

the tea party is the last hope

hand out the pitchforks

Sonosam on July 29, 2011 at 11:28 PM

LOL! It doesn’t matter how you spell it!
Lindsey is just like the girl down the street who will do BJs and HJs for $5 bucks a pop!

Of course, we all know that he does Juan McLame for free…

shorebird on July 29, 2011 at 11:31 PM

Add not running in 2012 for Webb. Coward.
Firefly_76 on July 29, 2011 at 11:21 PM

Thank you, Firefly_76! I have updated my list.

wren on July 29, 2011 at 11:38 PM

heh. kind of. but ‘defending’ Lindsey does not compute.

Firefly_76 on July 29, 2011 at 11:12

I kind of agree with ya there too.

I just get tired of Allahpundit’s constant RINO-ness.

fossten on July 29, 2011 at 11:42 PM

… the point is that Reps could have one this battle, and ceded it to the Dems out of fear.

SheetAnchor on July 29, 2011 at 9:29 PM

EXACTLY!!!

Every time the Republicans let themselves be stampeded by some idiot who yells “CRISIS!!!“, they show the Democrats that they can be “had” and herded like lemmings!!!

landlines on July 29, 2011 at 11:55 PM

Let’s try this one then. Don’t drag some unemployed perennial candidate out of the woodwork and claim you’ve found a “true conservative,” ‘kay?

KingGold on July 29, 2011 at 10:44 PM

If a better conservative is available than Linda Lingle – but of course she’ll have some competition.

What’s wrong with Democracy? The problem with you – you’re always trying to manipulate things. Why not just let the people decide and then support them?

Oh wait – that ruins your control complex doesn’t it?

HondaV65 on July 30, 2011 at 12:30 AM

A way for Republicans to compromise on taxes; 1) Cancel all tax cuts made by the Obama stimulus plan., 2) Declare the obvious — The Bush tax cuts will expire in 2013.

But let the people know if Republicans are elected to Senate majority and as President the Bush tax plan will be made permanent. It practically is anyway… it will be 12 years in 2013.

Dasher on July 30, 2011 at 3:06 AM

Let me put it this way…

No matter what happens… if something does pass or not… whether the debt ceiling gets raised or not… whether the sun shines or not… we in the tea party and the conservative movement can safely assume we’ll be painted as extremist monsters.

I’m tired of this charade but it won’t stop.

I say we play the part.

Let’s actually act like monsters for once and surprise the dems.

Let’s tear the masks of and show things for what they really are. Present the naked truths as they stand.

They won’t get it until it all burns down. That’s what they want anyway.

So I say burn it. Light the torch. Pour on the gasoline. Tell them point blank ‘You wanted this! You wanted collapse! You wanted this all along!’

I say we give it to them. Hard.

Chaz706 on July 30, 2011 at 6:46 AM

The six Republicans who voted against Boehner’s bill: DeMint, Lee, Paul, Vitter, and Orrin Hatch and Lindsey Graham, both of whom are in robust reelection-pander mode.

I guess it is okay fine to cross the aisle and vote with Democrats after all.

The truth is a lot of these people are in pander mode..I would put Palin and Bachmann on that list too.

So, do they have a better idea? Other than stabbing other Republicans in the back I mean?

Terrye on July 30, 2011 at 7:06 AM

Time and again, the GOP leaders do nothing. It’s always predictable.

Don’t pick on the GOP. When it comes to capitulating and compromising they are agressive as Hades(Support Boehner’s bill,sob, sob, we can’t fight now – have to wait until, until, …well, later some other year)But, when it comes to fighting -they claim pacifist status, let’s not risk not being liked.

I am convinced they really don’t care about the country as much as their lucrative life-styles and elevated status.

“If we do not fight back, we wont get in trouble and those fools on the right will have to re-elect us again because they have nowhere else to go.”

I’m waiting for the one person who understood what we needed to do from the beginning -Sarah Palin.

Don L on July 30, 2011 at 8:35 AM

My take.

kingsjester on July 30, 2011 at 8:36 AM

Lying, thieving, incompetent BASTARDS, all of them. Destroying this once great country. As the retired columnist Charlie Reese so clearly put it a few years ago, 545 [total of the three branches] people hold or have held the gonads [my paraphrasing] of this nation in their hands. If it’s screwed up, they wanted it that way and made it that way. And WE THE PEOPLE are guilty of the high crimes of putting them there. And as a supposed quote from a Czeck Republic paper said a couple of years ago, America can survive a fool like Obama as President. What it cannot survive is the millions of fools that put him in office. We have failed as a free people, ignoring our responsibility to be an informed electorate. Our combined ignorance may prove to be fatal. As a columnist said yesterday, snap some pictures of her, America may not be around much longer.

Roger Brown on July 30, 2011 at 8:40 AM

Bargaining for any gains poasible (not a pointless fantasy of Constitutional perfection) until you win more seats in the Senate and gain the WH is the rule of reasonable public servants.

profitsbeard on July 29, 2011 at 11:27 PM

Baraining with the Marxists who want the nation to fail? Surely you jest, or have been getting advice from your pet rock too much/

Don L on July 30, 2011 at 8:40 AM

this sums it up

Boehner should have never proposed any plan other than CCB and walked away

katablog.com on July 30, 2011 at 8:45 AM

Bargaining for any gains poasible (not a pointless fantasy of Constitutional perfection) until you win more seats

That’s right bargain away the rights and money of the American people – great way to win seats! NOT!!!!

katablog.com on July 30, 2011 at 8:47 AM

Stop all personal voluntary economic activity. Don’t go to restaurants. Don’t go to cinemas. Don’t rent movies…. don’t consume nonessentials. Stop watching TV. Cancel the cable subscription. Don’t buy newspapers or magazines. Refuse to co-operate.

Might as well start practicing. Economic chaos is on its way, whether these sycophants vote to bring it on now, or kick the can further down the road.

The sooner the catharsis, the sooner recovery can come.

shaken on July 30, 2011 at 8:52 AM

Cut, Cap and Balance

Gun Toting, Bible Thumbing, Terrorist Hobit.

katablog.com on July 30, 2011 at 9:06 AM

neuquenguy on July 29, 2011 at 9:50 PM

For the most part your entire first 6-7 years in school is a socialization project to get you to believe that getting along is the most important thing in the world. It is so deeply ingrained that you never question it. That is what we are fighting with the a$$hats in the GOP. Additionally the party is still primarily run by the N.E ‘moderates’ not the conservatives.

chemman on July 30, 2011 at 9:34 AM

I am sensing a pattern here:

Pending economic DOOM!

No time for serious debate or to inform the public because of DOOM!

Only trillions in new spending will avert DOOM!

1000′s of pages of legislation voted into law in the dead of night/ weekend/ or holiday. Definitely no time to read it all, DOOM! Remember?

Whew. Everyone held hands and compromised. Kwazy tea baggers tamed by wise and brave President Obama. DOOM! averted.

…until next time…

bitsy on July 30, 2011 at 9:41 AM

Boehner could have been a knight in shining armor and Harry would have still proclaimed his bill DOA. The dems control the senate and would have choked Little Orphan Annie before giving any votes to a bill produced by repubs. We need to understand that before passing judgment, but conservative tea party principle believing reps need to stand their ground. They made themselves look like squishes.

Kissmygrits on July 30, 2011 at 9:52 AM

If this process continues for another year and a half, the freedom just might be saved,… for now.

elfman on July 30, 2011 at 10:03 AM

Reid is the epitome of evil who is incapable of the truth. He is corrupt to the core and definitely cannot be trusted to work in anyone’s best interest other than his own. With he and Pelosi in leadership roles for the democrats, it easily explains why so many Americans are suffering so much.

volsense on July 30, 2011 at 10:22 AM

I’m sensing maybe the GOP is not as afraid as it used to be. Just like yesterday, Rush was talking that one of the biggest hurdles for the GOP is realizing how much leverage they have.

The constant barrage of “doom and gloom” from the MSM and the Dems isn’t really panning out but yet that’s the only thing they have going for them. Dems thrive on fear and use it to their advantage.

I really hope no deal is made. Because August 2nd will come and go just like any other day and it will make the Dems and the MSM look like fools. If the Dems can’t even get 60 votes on their bill, I think we have the upper-hand. Hopefully, this will not come down to bribing Brown, Snowe and Collins.

gatorfanatic on July 30, 2011 at 11:02 AM

I am sensing a pattern here:

Pending economic DOOM!

No time for serious debate or to inform the public because of DOOM!

Only trillions in new spending will avert DOOM!

1000′s of pages of legislation voted into law in the dead of night/ weekend/ or holiday. Definitely no time to read it all, DOOM! Remember?

Whew. Everyone held hands and compromised. Kwazy tea baggers tamed by wise and brave President Obama. DOOM! averted.

…until next time…

bitsy on July 30, 2011 at 9:41 AM

Y2K!!!!!

fossten on July 30, 2011 at 11:40 AM

Squishy GOP Gov. Linda Lingle is actually willing to run for that seat and retains some semblance of popularity.

Note to the RINO-hunters: Let her run.

KingGold on July 29, 2011 at 10:30 PM

She can run all she wants to. She will receive the same respect that Christine O’Donnell, Sharon Angle and others received from conservatives and Tea Party voters.

Sporty1946 on July 30, 2011 at 1:24 PM

So, how do all you supporters of passing this piece of crap bill that Boehner put together feel now. You and he were told that it was DOA but Boehner just had to use his political capital to force conservatives to vote for this and all it accomplished was alienation of the base and Tea Partiers.

The biggest thing it showed was Boehner was a sell-out RINO who has no more of a clue about how to lead than Obama does.

Sporty1946 on July 30, 2011 at 1:31 PM

I guess it is okay fine to cross the aisle and vote with Democrats after all.

The truth is a lot of these people are in pander mode..I would put Palin and Bachmann on that list too.

So, do they have a better idea? Other than stabbing other Republicans in the back I mean?

You have that right — that last minute letter of Palin’s to Freshman not to support Boehner she put on facebook says all you need to know about grandstanders and you can throw the Paulbot Bachmann right in with her. Veiled threats to primary people who don’t vote the way she wants won her no friends and in fact got me to donate to Alan West a short time ago.

Tea Party national people have overstepped with their arrogance and their threats against Republicans but not Democrats. You don’t hear a peep out of them how we have to defeat the Democrats. I wouldn’t walk across the street to see those six Republicans Senators who voted to table and the 22 Paulbot people form the House led by Bachmann as were lauded by some of the MSM for standing up to Republican leadership. When David Gergen supports Republicans for standing up, you are on the wrong side of the issue period!

But then Bachmann voted against Cut, Cap, and Balance after signging a petition to support it. The Paulbot has zero chance to win with common sense Republicans who are the silent majority of the Republican Party.

How many in the National Tea Party are Paulbots or Democrats since they prefer to attack Republicans. Are the Libertarians under the leadership of Ron Paul trying to take over the Republican Party.

PhiKapMom on July 30, 2011 at 3:28 PM

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