Open thread: Obama to speak on debt-ceiling crisis … again

posted at 10:05 am on July 29, 2011 by Ed Morrissey

But will he have anything new to say?  Breaking a three-day silence, Barack Obama will once again use the bully pulpit to opine on the status of negotiations over the debt ceiling and deficit reduction at 10:20 ET from — oddly — the Diplomatic Reception Room.  What’s the likelihood of Obama becoming more or less diplomatic than in his previous appearances, speeches, and pressers?  I’d call it — slim.

The New York Post says that Obama will deliver a “statement,” which means that the White House probably won’t allow questions from the press corps.  If they don’t, it might be because Obama can’t answer the question that the White House press corps is asking: “Where’s your plan?”

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On debts “Congress has already racked up” I think he forgets (or would like us to forget) that anything “racked up” since Jan. ’09 could not have happened without his signature. And he was part of “Congress” before that helping to “rack up” those bills.

jdp629 on July 29, 2011 at 10:50 AM

I’m quite sure that Americans are going to vote for four more years of this nonsense.

/sarc

Aitch748 on July 29, 2011 at 10:51 AM

You know, even with the audio turned down and using strictly lip-reading, he still comes across sounding like a clueless doofus!

pilamaye on July 29, 2011 at 10:48 AM

A guess Auto-Tune would truly make my head explode

tomg51 on July 29, 2011 at 10:51 AM

Obama has won this battle. GOP is badly damaged by intransigence.

andy85719 on July 29, 2011 at 10:51 AM

We are not obligated to follow a leader whom has lost his nerve to stick to a bill that his caucus has already passed.

csdeven on July 29, 2011 at 10:49 AM

No you’re not . . . good luck with that.

rplat on July 29, 2011 at 10:51 AM

BTW, August SS checks have already been mailed

faraway on July 29, 2011 at 10:19 AM

Which is 100% BS. The vast majority of SS checks are posted electronically via EFT. The due dates in August are 8/3, 8/10, 8/17, and 8/24 depending on your birth date or age.

Those born before 1935 get their checks on 8/3, those who’s birth date is on 1-10 = 8/10, 11-20 = 8/17, 21-31 = 8/24.

Dasher on July 29, 2011 at 10:51 AM

And at this very moment, whoever the talking head pundit is at MSNBC at this time is live on the air pounding the desk and screaming “MY GOD THAT WAS BRILLIANT!!!!!!”

pilamaye on July 29, 2011 at 10:51 AM

She’s lost that loving feeling…

d1carter on July 29, 2011 at 10:52 AM

In the lockbox.

teke184 on July 29, 2011 at 10:49 AM

But the lock box key is held by Al Gore and he lost it.

NotCoach on July 29, 2011 at 10:52 AM

Obama has won this battle. GOP is badly damaged by intransigence.

andy85719 on July 29, 2011 at 10:51 AM

Didn’t I see you on Hee Haw, singing, “Gloom, Dispair, and Agony on me?”

kingsjester on July 29, 2011 at 10:52 AM

Where’s the plan?

faraway on July 29, 2011 at 10:47 AM

Obama’s never had a legislative plan for anything other than to create a crisis (agitate), sit back and watch the players battle back and forth and then step in to take the credit. Typical community organizing and certainly not leadership.

BTW, betcha there’s a PLAN in PALIN.

singer on July 29, 2011 at 10:53 AM

“Mr. President, where’s your plan?”

“My plan is to let Reid hack Boehner’s plan to shreds, then send it back to him so he can reject the changes, then let the LSM accuse the GOP of fiscal insanity.

“Or, Reid can just vote it down, or refuse to vote, and the congress will then be charged with wanting to crash the economy by the LSM. Next question.”

Akzed on July 29, 2011 at 10:53 AM

Merely said time’s-a-wasting, submitting bills that won’t be agreed upon anyway.
Also lied abput needing the debt ceiling raised IN ORDER TO MAKE THE SS AND MILITARY etal payments.

pambi on July 29, 2011 at 10:49 AM

Thanks.

gophergirl on July 29, 2011 at 10:53 AM

kingsjester on July 29, 2011 at 10:52 AM

“Deep dark depression, excessive misery?”

coldwarrior on July 29, 2011 at 10:53 AM

Obama has won this battle. GOP is badly damaged by intransigence.

andy85719 on July 29, 2011 at 10:51 AM

He’s a narcissist. If he had truly won he would be gloating. He wouldn’t be able to hide it.

txhsmom on July 29, 2011 at 10:54 AM

@#$% Mr. President and everyone in DC.
I don’t trust any of them anymore.

scalleywag on July 29, 2011 at 10:54 AM

coldwarrior on July 29, 2011 at 10:53 AM

“If it weren’t for bad luck, I’d have no luck at all.”

kingsjester on July 29, 2011 at 10:54 AM

txmom: Oh, good point… hadn’t thought of that one.

So… even if he HAS won (which I do not believe), he doesn’t THINK he has won.

Scott H on July 29, 2011 at 10:55 AM

Dasher on July 29, 2011 at 10:51 AM

Fair enough. We have had many reports here that military and SS EFT payments for August have been received early.

faraway on July 29, 2011 at 10:55 AM

Tom_Shipley on July 29, 2011 at 10:39 AM

Brilliant Satire.

Del Dolemonte on July 29, 2011 at 10:56 AM

You could’ve saved yourself some time there by just saying ‘It’s Boehner’s fault!!!’, as that’s all your comment amounts to.

Actually, I don’t believe it’s Boehner’s fault. I think if he didn’t have to deal with all the freshmen teahadists, he would have struck that grand bargain with Obama.

So, I could have just written “it’s the tea party’s fault” to save some time.

Tom_Shipley on July 29, 2011 at 10:56 AM

So, I could have just written “it’s the tea party’s fault” to save some time.

Tom_Shipley on July 29, 2011 at 10:56 AM

That’s what King George said.

kingsjester on July 29, 2011 at 10:57 AM

@#$% Mr. President and everyone in DC.
I don’t trust any of them anymore.
scalleywag on July 29, 2011 at 10:54 AM

So you trusted them up until twenty minutes ago?

Akzed on July 29, 2011 at 10:57 AM

Tom_Shipley on July 29, 2011 at 10:56 AM

Freshmen backed a plan that Reid refused to bring to a vote in the Senate. Where is Obama’s plan?

NotCoach on July 29, 2011 at 10:58 AM

The Emperor has no plan.

kingsjester on July 29, 2011 at 10:59 AM

So, I could have just written “it’s the tea party’s fault” to save some time.

Tom_Shipley on July 29, 2011 at 10:56 AM

Where is this party you all worry about so much?
I’d like to join…

golfmann on July 29, 2011 at 10:59 AM

Wow. Market soothed by The Great Orator.

S&P only down 2 points. Is there anything he can’t do?

astuddis on July 29, 2011 at 10:59 AM

Fail just wants a clean increase with no strings. Aint gonna happen.

You spent too much already Failbama Nero Dumbass Maximus.

dogsoldier on July 29, 2011 at 11:00 AM

Dasher on July 29, 2011 at 10:51 AM

Fair enough. We have had many reports here that military and SS EFT payments for August have been received early.

faraway on July 29, 2011 at 10:55 AM

Anecdotally my mother gets her SS on the 3rd, and I don’t expect to see it until the third. It is not showing up as pending today. Normally the pending deposit is on the due day, and shows as deposited the day after.

Anyhow except for a minor cash-flow short fall SS is funded by FICA tax deposits monthly, those have not stopped coming in.

Dasher on July 29, 2011 at 11:01 AM

No you’re not . . . good luck with that.

rplat on July 29, 2011 at 10:51 AM

This battle is between the establishment way of dealing with finances and a changing it to a way to be permanently fiscally responsible.

Everyone knows that any damage to the economy would be short lived. These guys are scared that they will not have access to the cash they need to buy influence to fund their future campaigns. So they lie and obfuscate the truth about every bill they pass. It is time to draw a line in the sand in respect to our finances and go no further.

csdeven on July 29, 2011 at 11:01 AM

Wow. Market soothed by The Great Orator.

S&P only down 2 points. Is there anything he can’t do?

astuddis on July 29, 2011 at 10:59 AM

I find it odd that the market would respond to anything he says.

Dasher on July 29, 2011 at 11:03 AM

“I am Obama Almighty. Thou shalt have no other Gods before Me. Thou shalt not disobey Me. I had the Republican Beltway pussies right where I wanted them until blocked by the Tea Party Pooper heretics. Repent all yet sinners and reconsider your grievous error. I am an angry God. I am a vengeful God. But I am also a forgiving God. ‘Tis no sin to turn your back on all morality, to desert all principles of decency and righteousness, to betray your faithful electorate by ignominious, craven and cowardly capitulation if such is done to please, placate and ingratiate yourselves to Me. So vote for the Boehner Bill so my Disciple Harry Reid can became a hero by defeating it in the Senate. I have thus spoken.”

MaiDee on July 29, 2011 at 11:03 AM

So… even if he HAS won (which I do not believe), he doesn’t THINK he has won.

Scott H on July 29, 2011 at 10:55 AM

The scorecard he cares about is the one his pollster hands him. Since his poll numbers have dropped, in his mind he’s losing.

flyfisher on July 29, 2011 at 11:03 AM

Did he call us Tea Baggers? I just love it when he calls the American electorate names. This isn’t Liberal vs Conservative, this isn’t Democrat vs Republican, This is Libertarian vs Statist

That’s why Harry and Nancy hate the Tea Party their polar opposites. A Statist is NOT a Liberal or a Libertarian. Progressives in both parties have been moving the country for decades toward Statistism. The TEA party a huge influential movement in America is dragging the country back to the center.

Dr Evil on July 29, 2011 at 11:04 AM

So, I could have just written “it’s the tea party’s fault” to save some time. Tom_Shipley on July 29, 2011 at 10:56 AM

And DSA is shorthand for Democratic Socialists of America, of which 70 Democrat members of congress are members.

Akzed on July 29, 2011 at 11:05 AM

Here’s the deal, people.

FACT: Sarah Palin has come out and made a strong statement.

FACT: The Boehner Bill, which no one really likes, will pass the House today.

FACT: The Boehner Bill will be defeated in the Senate (if it even gets to the floor).

FACT: Reid will push his bill.

FACT: The media will applaud Reid’s efforts to save the Republic.

FACT: Those R’s voting for the Boehner Bill will realize they wasted political capital.

FACT: The R’s should have stuck with Cut, Cap, and Balance which was overwhelmingly passed.

FACT: The American people supported Cut, Cap, and Balance.

FACT: The media continues to lie.

FACT: The D’s continue to lie.

FACT: The R leadership continues to wimp out.

FACT: Sarah Palin continues to be right on the issues.

NoNails on July 29, 2011 at 11:07 AM

Oh wait, Sanders of Vermont is a straight up socialist who caucuses with the Dems, he isn’t actually a member of the Democrat Party. My bad.

Akzed on July 29, 2011 at 11:07 AM

NoNails on July 29, 2011 at 11:07 AM

You’re a bit hazy on the definition of the word “fact,” aren’t you?

KingGold on July 29, 2011 at 11:09 AM

FACT: Reid will push his bill.

NoNails on July 29, 2011 at 11:07 AM

I agree with the others, but this should read…

FACT: Reid will push his bill, call it the Boehner bill, and blame the economy on the Tea Party (our candidates).

faraway on July 29, 2011 at 11:12 AM

You’re a bit hazy on the definition of the word “fact,” aren’t you?

KingGold on July 29, 2011 at 11:09 AM

Not a bit.

NoNails on July 29, 2011 at 11:14 AM

First!

Bishop on July 29, 2011 at 11:14 AM

I agree with the others, but this should read…

FACT: Reid will push his bill, call it the Boehner bill, and blame the economy on the Tea Party (our candidates).

faraway on July 29, 2011 at 11:12 AM

I stand corrected. :-)

NoNails on July 29, 2011 at 11:15 AM

coldwarrior on July 29, 2011 at 10:53 AM

“If it weren’t for bad luck, I’d have no luck at all.”

kingsjester on July 29, 2011 at 10:54 AM

…oooooOOOAAAAHHHHHOOOO….

;©)

Scott P on July 29, 2011 at 11:17 AM

wondering … How on earth will the House pass any Reid bill ??
Am I missing sumpin’ ?

pambi on July 29, 2011 at 11:17 AM

Which is 100% BS. The vast majority of SS checks are posted electronically via EFT. The due dates in August are 8/3, 8/10, 8/17, and 8/24 depending on your birth date or age.

Dasher on July 29, 2011 at 10:51 AM

Yep, mine and my wife’s come on the third Wednesday of the month.

Oldnuke on July 29, 2011 at 11:18 AM

By calling his preferred solution, cuts and new taxes, a “compromise”, doesn’t Obama kind of admit what we all actually know but no one in the media dare say: that the Democrats, if they had their way, would not make any cuts and would only raise taxes.

Obama wanted to raise the taxes in December, but didn’t get his way. There was no talk of cutting the deficit, then, and the Democrats really do not want to cut anything.

While Krugman and the Democrats are calling the Republicans “extremist” for only wanting to make cuts, S&P has been warning the US to lower the debt forecast or else they will have to downgrade our rating.

In other words, the ones actually doing what S&P demands for keeping our credit rating are the “extremists”. If the Democrats had supermajority in Congress, they’d pass a debt ceiling increase, raise taxes, and the long-term debt outlook would be mostly the same as it is now: bad.

Maybe the Republicans should just go along with what Obama wants, for “The Greater Good” as Obama is framing it, and then… hang the tax increases that come, with the likely negative effects on the economy, around Obama’s neck in 2012.

Ah, that’s what they could do, if they were just playing politics.

Seixon on July 29, 2011 at 11:20 AM

We should shroud DC in a big circus tent and charge admission to watch their theatrics and freak show antics. Might raise enough to get us out of debt. We could also sell popcorn and cotton candy, er, apple slices.

scalleywag on July 29, 2011 at 11:22 AM

wondering … How on earth will the House pass any Reid bill ??
Am I missing sumpin’ ?

The thinking is non-tea party republicans would join Dems to vote for a Reid/McConnel compromise.

Tom_Shipley on July 29, 2011 at 11:22 AM

“The Rapper”

(As recorded by Jaggerz)
DON IRIS

Hey girl I’ll bet you
There’s someone out to get you
You’ll find him anywhere; on a bus, in a bar, in a grocery store
He’ll say “Excuse me, haven’t I seen you somewhere before?”

Rap-a-rap-a-rap
They call him the rapper
Rap, rap, rap you know what he’s after.

So he starts his rappin’
Hopin’ something will happen
He’ll say he needs you, a companion, a girl he can talk to
He’s made up his mind, he needs someone to sock it to.

Rap-a-rap-a-rap
They call him the rapper
Rap, rap, rap you know what he’s after.

He’s made an impression
So he makes a suggestion
“Come up to my place for some coffee, or tea, or me.”
He’s got you where he wants you
Girl you better face reality.

Rap-a-rap-a-rap
They call him the rapper
Rap, rap, rap you know what he’s after.
Rap-a-rap-a-rap
They call him the rapper
Rap, rap, rap you know what he’s after.

(c) Copyright 1969 by Sixuvus Revival Music Company (Division of Jusjag Inc.)
and Kama Sutra Music Inc. All rights administered by Kama Sutra Music Inc.
Used by permission of the publisher.

novaculus on July 29, 2011 at 11:24 AM

NEW YORK (Walter Brandimarte and Daniel Bases) – A U.S. deficit reduction plan that promises $4 trillion in savings over time would be a “good downpayment” on getting the country’s strained public finances under control, said John Chambers, chairman of S&P’s sovereign ratings committee.

S&P has warned it may cut the United States’ top AAA credit rating even if a deal on raising the government’s debt ceiling is not accompanied by a credible plan to cut the deficit.

Republicans and Democrats have clashed over the role tax cuts should play and are pushing separate plans, both of which fall short of $4 trillion in savings.

Republicans have refused to raise the country’s $14.3 trillion borrowing limit without a deal, and Treasury says it will run out of money to pay its obligations by August 2.

——————–
In other words, none of this matters. Boehner’s bill/Reid’s bill DOES not come close to the $4t in savings, so raise the debt and we are STILL going to have downgrade. CCB DID this, Ryan’s plan DID this and these plans have gone nowhere. We are so screwed.

Alibali on July 29, 2011 at 11:25 AM

wondering … How on earth will the House pass any Reid bill ??
Am I missing sumpin’ ?

pambi on July 29, 2011 at 11:17 AM

Democrats and RINOS will vote for it.

Rational Thought on July 29, 2011 at 11:27 AM

Does anyone have any cheese to go with that whine?

kippras on July 29, 2011 at 11:28 AM

Actually, I don’t believe it’s Boehner’s fault. I think if he didn’t have to deal with all the freshmen teahadists, he would have struck that grand bargain with Obama.

So, I could have just written “it’s the tea party’s fault” to save some time.

Tom_Shipley on July 29, 2011 at 10:56 AM

Thank god that did not happen. I like your scumbag use of “teahadist” as well. Typical of you marxist scumbag thugs. Where’s Reid’s plan? Where’s Obama’s plan?

Those two idiots can’t write apparently. Would not surprise me. God forbid they engage in any honest debate and/or negotiation and put forth a plan of their own or put anything in writing. Real honest, sincere folks you got there on your side.

the only thing holding up a deal has been Obama’s insistence on helping himself politically. Obama’s requirement that he does not have to deal with this again before the next election, which is only to benefit himself, has held up any compromise. So, he is putting america at risk for his political aspirations. Real winner Obama is.

Monkeytoe on July 29, 2011 at 11:32 AM

Boner better get his dumb ass up to the camera’s for a reply – useless hack.

Tim_CA on July 29, 2011 at 11:32 AM

The thinking is non-tea party republicans would join Dems to vote for a Reid/McConnel compromise.

Tom_Shipley on July 29, 2011 at 11:22 AM

Monkeytoe on July 29, 2011 at 11:32 AM

No he doesn’t have anything new to say. Same ole BS and scaremongering he’s used since before becoming “Present-I-Spent”.

chickasaw42 on July 29, 2011 at 11:36 AM

Tom_Shipley on July 29, 2011 at 10:56 AM

If the Tea Party conservatives in the House are “teahadists,” as you say, for demanding a bill to their liking, what unhinged invective would you use to describe Obama and the Senate democrats for doing the same thing?

Rational Thought on July 29, 2011 at 11:39 AM

What happened to the boast and pledge of Candidate Obama (as if he isn’t still Candidate Obama) that he was going to go through the federal budget LINE BY LINE? I assumed he meant lines of the budget, not doing lines while everybody else was at work on the budget.

I would love it if a creative soul out there could put a clip of that promise next to the drivel he’s been spouting ever since, such as today.

He’s going to go through the budget line by line but has no clue how or where to cut anything? Or, it’s a secret plan that you need a super secret code ring to decipher?

Please. The entire 2012 campaign could be run on nothing more than his own words played back in clip after clip. The man himself is the single best evidence of his incompetence.

IndieDogg on July 29, 2011 at 11:39 AM

Hmm, Friday night statement dump?

This is gonna be bad.

PattyJ on July 29, 2011 at 11:45 AM

If the Tea Party conservatives in the House are “teahadists,” as you say, for demanding a bill to their liking, what unhinged invective would you use to describe Obama and the Senate democrats for doing the same thing?

Rational Thought on July 29, 2011 at 11:39 AM

If they had the bill they wanted it would be full of tax increases and spending increases.

clnurnberg on July 29, 2011 at 11:47 AM

Wait for 2012 you don’t control the senate or the presidency

TimeTraveler on July 29, 2011 at 11:47 AM

What happened to the boast and pledge of Candidate Obama (as if he isn’t still Candidate Obama) that he was going to go through the federal budget LINE BY LINE?

IndieDogg on July 29, 2011 at 11:39 AM

You misunderstood. Obama said he was going to go through the federal budget Lie by Lie.

So far, seems to be doing that.

coldwarrior on July 29, 2011 at 11:48 AM

They told us our hero has played his trump card
He doesn’t know how to go on.
We’re clinging to his charm and determined smile,
But the good old days have gone.

The image and the empire may be failing apart
The money has gotten scarce
One man’s word held the country together,
But the truth is getting fierce

mankai on July 29, 2011 at 11:56 AM

Obama is sleepwalking the entire debt deal.

The White House is pushing back against the growing narrative that Obama is “sitting on the sidelines,” as reported by the New York Times yesterday, and letting Congress do all the work.

As John Boehner spent the night trying to wrestle members into place to support his debt ceiling deal, Valerie Jarret reminded reporters yesterday that it was President Obama who was losing sleep over the issue.

“He’s getting absolutely no sleep. He’s working tirelessly, meeting with his economic team, doing a lot of outreach, exploring all kinds of possibilities for compromise,” Jarrett said.

Chief of Staff William Daley told CNN’s Wolf Blitzer last night that Obama has issued a secret plan for solving the debt crisis.

From the transcript:

BLITZER: So what you’re saying is the president did present a plan to the speaker, John Boehner.

DALEY: Yes.

BLITZER: But – but he didn’t…

DALEY: Right.

BLITZER: – make it public.

DALEY: No, because there’s… both the speaker and – and the president had agreed and – that these sort of negotiations do not happen in public.

Schadenfreude on July 29, 2011 at 12:01 PM

Loser

And so his failures in the debt ceiling fight. He wasn’t serious, he was only shrewd—and shrewdness wasn’t enough. He demagogued the issue—no Social Security checks—until he was called out, and then went on the hustings spouting inanities. He left conservatives scratching their heads: They could have made a better, more moving case for the liberal ideal as translated into the modern moment, than he did. He never offered a plan. In a crisis he was merely sly. And no one likes sly, no one respects it.

So he is losing a battle in which he had superior forces—the presidency, the U.S. senate. In the process he revealed that his foes have given him too much mystique. He is not a devil, an alien, a socialist. He is a loser. And this is America, where nobody loves a loser.

Reid and Obama are charlatans. Nancy is flying on a broom.

Geithner is an impertinent gnat.

Schadenfreude on July 29, 2011 at 12:03 PM

Debt imposed deadline Aug. 2, Obama birthday bash/huge fundraising, Aug. 3…mhhhh

Schadenfreude on July 29, 2011 at 12:04 PM

Boehner’s plan will add TEN TRILLION DOLLARS to our national debt and Shipley has the unmitigated gall to label the patriots standing in the breach Teahadists. Absolutely surreal.

flyfisher on July 29, 2011 at 12:05 PM

Look guys, Obama’s got a big birthday party coming up and he hasn’t gotten much sleep lately. Can’t we just act like adults and let him have his way so he can find time for a nap and maybe a game of golf?

BlueCollarAstronaut on July 29, 2011 at 12:12 PM

I would rather pass Boehner 1.1 and go to a conference committee after the Senate passes the Reid bill than just put the Reid bill up for a vote in the house and watch Dems and a few spooked GOP vote it through. Whatever would come out of the conference committee is bound to be better than Reid’s fake cuts and “pass the debt limit power to the president” bill.

KW64 on July 29, 2011 at 12:15 PM

Obama’s got a big birthday party coming up and he hasn’t gotten much sleep lately.

I know. I heard that Joe Biden had to come in and wind up the mobile above his crib twice last night.

Matticus Finch on July 29, 2011 at 12:15 PM

Marxists sure talk a lot!

Don L on July 29, 2011 at 12:16 PM

Why doesn’t Boehner just “Deem” whatever he wants as “passed”?

BobMbx on July 29, 2011 at 12:18 PM

KW64 on July 29, 2011 at 12:15 PM

I remind you of Obamacare.

BobMbx on July 29, 2011 at 12:19 PM

He keeps blaming congress, but if they suddenly have a bill, we will get a speech using the following words “I”, “me”, “my”.

jeffn21 on July 29, 2011 at 12:22 PM

Shipley has the unmitigated gall to label the patriots standing in the breach Teahadists. Absolutely surreal.

flyfisher on July 29, 2011 at 12:05 PM

Teahadists are trying to save the country. May the media be striken by something that makes them scream uncontrollably.

Schadenfreude on July 29, 2011 at 12:22 PM

I’m just wondering; why isn’t DC overrun with millions of angry people right now? Why isn’t it in flames?

Or is that *next* week?

And I really don’t understand the many people who count themselves as ‘principled’ and ‘conservative’ and yet want everyone to sign on to the Boehner bill, or whatever, simply because the GOP are ‘looking bad’ right now. Really? In whose eyes?

The GOP in the House are the only ones who’ve done a damn thing on this. They’re not the ones saying ‘no’ or promising a veto if they don’t get their way; who are the hard-core ‘extremists’ here?

I heard one radio guy – ostensibly a conservative – saying that the House GOP had to pass the Boehner bill to put the onus back on Reid, so that everyone would know that it was Reid/Obama who were the ones causing the problem.

Hey, newsflash – the House GOP have done that twice (Ryan bill and CCB), and somehow people still think it’s the GOP’s intransigence that’s the problem. Reid’s already said he wont bring Boehner’s plan up for a vote, so… why don’t people *already* know Reid’s the problem from the 2 plans he’s already refused, *and* from the third one he’s promising to refuse? If they don’t get it now, when will they? After the House puts up a 4th plan? a 5th one? a 10th one?

For you guys that are sure the House GOP/Tea Party are at fault here, please explain – exactly what plan must they sign on to that doesn’t make them the bad guy? The one Obama wants? Are you suggesting that Obama wins no matter what? Either the GOP hold to conviction (Obama wins?) or they give him what he wants (Obama wins?)?

Seriously?

Midas on July 29, 2011 at 12:23 PM

I missed the lofty words of wisdom the Barack the magnificent (Peas be upon him)

Did our modern virtuoso of intellectual manifestations provide us with the means to extricate ourselves from the fiscal catastrophe of epic proportions?

NMRN123 on July 29, 2011 at 12:24 PM

I missed the lofty words of wisdom the Barack the magnificent (Peas be upon him)
NMRN123 on July 29, 2011 at 12:24 PM

Ok that’s just… brilliant.

Midas on July 29, 2011 at 12:26 PM

Schadenfreude on July 29, 2011 at 12:03 PM

I read Noonan’s piece this morning. On the whole she has him nailed. But she needs to reacquaint herself with the definition of “socialist” and then spend time studying the bios of Obama’s czars.

flyfisher on July 29, 2011 at 12:27 PM

Actually, I don’t believe it’s Boehner’s fault. I think if he didn’t have to deal with all the freshmen teahadists patriots who love their country more than their party, he would have struck that grand bargain soul-selling contract with Obama.

Tom_Shipley on July 29, 2011 at 10:56 AM

FIFY.

dominigan on July 29, 2011 at 12:28 PM

Shipley has the unmitigated gall to label the patriots standing in the breach Teahadists. Absolutely surreal.

flyfisher on July 29, 2011 at 12:05 PM

Teahadists are trying to save the country. May the media be striken by something that makes them scream uncontrollably.

Schadenfreude on July 29, 2011 at 12:22 PM

Amen! I am disappointed by all the cowardice on our side.

flyfisher on July 29, 2011 at 12:29 PM

You guys that want the Boehner bill passed, who are castigating the Tea Party folks, do realize that the bill doesn’t solve the problem, right? That it cuts effectively nothing in the near term, turns over the rest of the discussion to a panel (that includes half democrats) that will discuss cuts and tax increases as part of how to get the remaining savings, right? That it’s going to be shot down the moment it’s passed, right?

Seriously – WTF is wrong with you? You want conservatives to abandon principle, anger their constituents, violate the promises that got them into office in the first place, sign a bill that doesn’t address the problem that will likely result in tax increases from committee, give Obama more money to spend, and will not get a vote in the Senate anyway? For what purpose? So Reid can send *his* plan over and put them on the spot *again* as the fall guys (“pass it or we’re all doooooomed!!!1!”)?

Wow.

The only reason we’re *having* a conversation about unsustainable debt is because of those ‘teahadists’, and frankly, I thank God for them, and pray they’ll continue to be steadfast in wanting to do what must be done to – you know – actually address the problem.

Shame on the rest of you.

Midas on July 29, 2011 at 12:37 PM

Obama is stretched out in his political grave. “Shovel ready” isn’t what he thought it w/b.

See the other headlines and all is down, or up, in a very bad way. He doesn’t want this topic to shift, because when it does, the shovels begin to work.

Obama and the left are mortified. They have been uncovered. The last ones to report the story are shamefully the media.

Amen! I am disappointed by all the cowardice on our side.

flyfisher on July 29, 2011 at 12:29 PM

You can always count on it.

Schadenfreude on July 29, 2011 at 12:42 PM

The only reason we’re *having* a conversation about unsustainable debt is because of those ‘teahadists’, and frankly, I thank God for them, and pray they’ll continue to be steadfast in wanting to do what must be done to – you know – actually address the problem.

Shame on the rest of you.

Midas on July 29, 2011 at 12:37 PM

Indeed. They will fight once more, in 2012. After that you may call them the Pitchforkhadists, for good reasons.

Schadenfreude on July 29, 2011 at 12:44 PM

In this particular speech, he looked really sad and pitiful. Does sad and pitiful work for a president? I fear that it might.

Rational Thought on July 29, 2011 at 10:49 AM

Yes I remember how effective looking pitiful and weak was for Jimmy Carter! Walking around, dithering, unable to really act on anything… so Presidential!

Got him a great second term… oh… wait a sec…

ajacksonian on July 29, 2011 at 12:47 PM

In this particular speech, he looked really sad and pitiful. Does sad and pitiful work for a president? I fear that it might.

Rational Thought on July 29, 2011 at 10:49 AM

Yes I remember how effective looking pitiful and weak was for Jimmy Carter! Walking around, dithering, unable to really act on anything… so Presidential!

Got him a great second term… oh… wait a sec…

ajacksonian on July 29, 2011 at 12:47 PM

Pity voting is not that different from Bradley Effect.

slickwillie2001 on July 29, 2011 at 1:13 PM

Gallup has Obama’s approval at 40% and disapproval at 50%. First time.

txmomof6 on July 29, 2011 at 1:34 PM

The great thing about dead lines is as soon as they have passed you can take as much time as you need to get the job done.

Dasher on July 29, 2011 at 1:34 PM

Obama to speak on debt-ceiling crisis … again

Fortunately, we have a station called “Antenna TV” which runs old 3 Stooges episodes all evening. They are sure to be more cogent and informative than another OBlather episode.

landlines on July 29, 2011 at 2:07 PM

Gallup has Obama’s approval at 40% and disapproval at 50%. First time.

txmomof6 on July 29, 2011 at 1:34 PM

The fact that his approval is above 10% is an indication of where we are in this country. We are a nation lost at sea, and no one’s at the helm.

labrat on July 29, 2011 at 2:12 PM

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