Hensarling: New Boehner bill still represents GOP willingness to compromise

posted at 4:05 pm on July 29, 2011 by Tina Korbe

The new Boehner bill, which looks far more likely to pass the House than the bill Boehner withdrew last night, still offers a compromise to Democrats, Rep. Jeb Hensarling (R-Tex.) said today on Fox News.

“We believe, as we said from the very start, we have a debt crisis not because of the debt ceiling but because of the debt,” Hensarling said. “We want to solve the problem. We will compromise by voting to increase the debt ceiling — something against our very nature — but Democrats have to agree to cut up the credit cards. We at least want the Senate and White House to vote on a balanced budget amendment and let the people decide.”

“Happening Now” host Jenna Lee pressed Hensarling, making the same point Ed made earlier today — that the addition of a balanced budget amendment provision ensures Boehner’s new bill will never make it past the Senate. But Hensarling defended the House’s prerogative to pass a bill it actually thinks would make a dent in the debt and deficit — and repeated that the debt ceiling increase itself is the compromise.

“I guess what you’re telling me is I can’t vote for something I believe in because maybe Harry Reid doesn’t believe it,” Hensarling said. “House Republicans are compromising because we’re agreeing to raise the debt ceiling, something we don’t want to do.”

The balanced budget amendment provision in the new Boehner bill should be considerably more palatable to Democrats than the balanced budget amendment included in the original “Cut, Cap and Balance” plan, as Hensarling and The Washington Examiner’s Conn Carroll explained (to Ed’s dissatisfaction). It requires only that a balanced budget amendment pass as opposed to an amendment that would require supermajorities in both houses to raise taxes. The Boehner bill also allows a partial increase in the debt ceiling to take effect before that balanced budget amendment passage takes place — a far cry from “Cut, Cap and Balance,” which required a balanced budget amendment to pass both the House and Senate before the House would agree to a debt limit increase at all.

“The American people want the budget balanced,” Hensarling said. “If we’re going to increase the debt ceiling, let’s take care of the debt.”

Frankly, I’m with Hensarling on this, even though I understand Ed’s point about the basic politics of it — Boehner’s new bill won’t pass the Senate as is. But why should the addition of a balanced budget amendment mean that it will fail? What is it about a BBA that Democrats don’t think will help to solve the debt-and-deficit-problem? With every plan the House forces through, it becomes more apparent that Obama and Reid are acting without reference to any kind of budget-balancing principles at all. I’d like to hear President Obama and Harry Reid explain why they oppose a balanced budget amendment. So far, all I’ve heard the president say on the subject is we don’t need a balanced budget amendment. OK. Let’s say we don’t. What harm will it do? All I’ve heard Reid say is it’s “extreme.” Well, why? Frankly, conservatives have done a better job at pointing out the pitfalls of a BBA than Democrats have. Democrats need to make the case that a balanced budget amendment would be bad for our country or look foolish for rejecting out of hand any plan that includes one.


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Hensarling: New Boehner bill still represents GOP willingness to compromise

Keep beating that chicken! I’m sure the LSM will pick up on the meme.

Rachel Maddow congratulates the GOP’s mature “sanity” in five … four …

HondaV65 on July 29, 2011 at 4:09 PM

Wow, there are some adults in the room who realize we can’t fix years of problems in just a few days but blusters, bluffs and bravado…

OnlyOrange on July 29, 2011 at 4:09 PM

What’s so extreme about a balanced budget amendment?

Under the circumstances which are precipitating it, it means that the current Congress admits it has a spending problem, and is unable to solve it.

More or less the same as a pilot resigning in mid-flight because he realizes he isn’t qualified to fly.

BobMbx on July 29, 2011 at 4:10 PM

This should be some interesting Kabuki theater, especially since Obama’s favorability, or lack thereof, mirrors what people think about his handling of this situation.

Given how pathetic he’s looked over the past week between his hissy fit at Boehner last Friday, the “contact your Congressman!” whine on Monday, and the reiteration of that whine today, I don’t see this getting any better for the Dems no matter how much mud they throw at the GOP.

teke184 on July 29, 2011 at 4:10 PM

Reach across the aisle. That’s the spirit. What America can never have too much of, is more legislation, especially legislation for more spending. Put aside your political differences and get to work on passing legislation to increase the debt. You can never have too much debt.

keep the change on July 29, 2011 at 4:10 PM

This bill’s a sideshow – the BBA was inserted only to get Boehner out of a pickle so he could get a successful vote. It means nothing – the bill is going in the crapper when it hits Reid’s desk.

But we’re gonna pass it – and, according to all the RINO’s on this board – the Red Sea is going to part, the main stream media is going to take our side – and we’re all going to be happy and win elections next year.

LOL!

HondaV65 on July 29, 2011 at 4:11 PM

BTW, from Ben Smith’s Twitter feed-

RT @ttagaris: Barack Obama has lost over 10,000 Twitter followers today with the state based tweet-a-thon they are continuing

People are tuning out The Whine.

teke184 on July 29, 2011 at 4:11 PM

When will the bill be voted on? Anyone know?///

RedSoxNation on July 29, 2011 at 4:11 PM

It’s the spending, stupid.

Futility is indignant.

Schadenfreude on July 29, 2011 at 4:12 PM

BTW, from Ben Smith’s Twitter feed-

RT @ttagaris: Barack Obama has lost over 10,000 Twitter followers today with the state based tweet-a-thon they are continuing
People are tuning out The Whine.

teke184 on July 29, 2011 at 4:11 PM

The cute puppy has turned into the 150# dog.

“Can’t we just take him to a rest area on I-95 and toss him out?”

BobMbx on July 29, 2011 at 4:13 PM

Keep kicking that can down the road ye gutless wonders in the GOP!!!

My grandchildrens Chinese creditor Overlords thank you!

PappyD61 on July 29, 2011 at 4:14 PM

I’m with you. I think Ed has been brainwashed by Harry Reid.

taney71 on July 29, 2011 at 4:14 PM

In November 2010 a NATIONAL election was held and Americans overwhelmingly voted to reject the Obama agenda and bring fiscal sanity back Washington. The CCB bill represent that vote–more bipartisan than Obamacare BTW

!Why can’t the GOP articulate this simple and bold fact?

joepub on July 29, 2011 at 4:15 PM

This bill’s a sideshow – the BBA was inserted only to get Boehner out of a pickle so he could get a successful vote. It means nothing – the bill is going in the crapper when it hits Reid’s desk.

But we’re gonna pass it – and, according to all the RINO’s on this board – the Red Sea is going to part, the main stream media is going to take our side – and we’re all going to be happy and win elections next year.

LOL!

HondaV65

That is not what most people are saying. The strategy is to live for another day. With only the House in GOP control, Republicans are limited in what they can accomplish. If the Republicans try to go a bridge too far, there will be a political fallout that we would’nt otherwise face.

Remember, Obama will be able to go on TV every day and blame the Republicans. That is a real threat.

The GOP cannot win every point. Take the small victory of no new taxes and move on to the 2012 elections…

RedSoxNation on July 29, 2011 at 4:15 PM

There’s a world of difference between wanting to compromise and having to compromise.

No one seriously believes that Boehner doesn’t want substantive cuts and reductions in spending. Of course he does.

The problem is that he doesn’t have the ability to get what he wants – and what most of us want – through the legislative process.

He has to change legislation to garner enough votes.

Politics is the art of the possible. And what some people want is simply not possible when you only control the House.

SteveMG on July 29, 2011 at 4:16 PM

This bill’s a sideshow – the BBA was inserted only to get Boehner out of a pickle so he could get a successful vote. It means nothing – the bill is going in the crapper when it hits Reid’s desk.

But we’re gonna pass it – and, according to all the RINO’s on this board – the Red Sea is going to part, the main stream media is going to take our side – and we’re all going to be happy and win elections next year.

LOL!

HondaV65 on July 29, 2011 at 4:11 PM

No, the House will send a bill that shows they TRIED to compromise to the Senate … and leave it up to Harry and Barry to defend their modifications to it or to veto it…

OnlyOrange on July 29, 2011 at 4:18 PM

What a bunch of unserious wankers

Aquateen Hungerforce on July 29, 2011 at 4:19 PM

Neil Cavuto just had Chris Van Hollen Democrat,Maryland. He states the Tea Party Members are unfit to hold office.

Right back at ya, you political hack, corporatist boot licking statist.

How far Maryland has strayed, they had two members sign the Declaration of Independence. Now they have a petty demagogue- shaking down the country, for his Allegiance to Big Government NOT the United States Of America.

Dr Evil on July 29, 2011 at 4:19 PM

When will the bill be voted on? Anyone know?///

RedSoxNation on July 29, 2011 at 4:11 PM

According to FOX – between 6 and 7:30 Eastern Time

gophergirl on July 29, 2011 at 4:19 PM

That is not what most people are saying. The strategy is to live for another day. With only the House in GOP control, Republicans are limited in what they can accomplish. If the Republicans try to go a bridge too far, there will be a political fallout that we would’nt otherwise face.

Remember, Obama will be able to go on TV every day and blame the Republicans. That is a real threat.

The GOP cannot win every point. Take the small victory of no new taxes and move on to the 2012 elections…

RedSoxNation on July 29, 2011 at 4:15 PM

You don’t understand – the Boehner Bill doesn NOTHING to survive for another day. It’s in the crapper as soon as it hit’s Reid’s desk. The final solution to this will come from a deal brokered between McConnell, Reid, and Boehner – and that will be placed into a bill and force fed to the House again next week.

My recommendation – is that there are two groups who are bound and determined to increase this nation’s debt – they are the RINO’s and the DIMS. Since there are more of them than there are Tea Party – they should band together – craft some really leftist legislation to increase debt and vote for it.

If they want the debt increase – then let those who favor it vote for it. Don’t force principled people who were elected on principle to swallow a sh** sandwich …

Especially when there are plenty of RINO’s who will slurp down that sandwich and ask for seconds! LOL

HondaV65 on July 29, 2011 at 4:20 PM

SteveMG on July 29, 2011 at 4:16 PM
Yep, reality pretty-much sucks, doesn’t it… yet some here think that it’s better to go down with guns blazing than it is to try to take this country back from the socialists who currently control it…

OnlyOrange on July 29, 2011 at 4:20 PM

Just to be clear, it is exactly the type of rationalization put forth by the cowards in Congress and their enablers who comment here that we are in the position in the first place.

You can all take a hike. Pikers.

Aquateen Hungerforce on July 29, 2011 at 4:21 PM

If the House doesn’t send out a bill for Reid to have to deal with, they’re not in the game.

If they fail and Reid passes his bill then all of the attention goes back to the House.

They have to have a card in the game to play.

At least with this there’s something that Reid and the Democrats have to consider.

SteveMG on July 29, 2011 at 4:21 PM

No, the House will send a bill that shows they TRIED to compromise to the Senate … and leave it up to Harry and Barry to defend their modifications to it or to veto it…

OnlyOrange on July 29, 2011 at 4:18 PM

That’s not going to happen my friend – because the RINO leadership is too afraid of a default. They will vote for any bill that relieves their fears.

So there will be another bill coming back to the house – and there is no way you’ll see Boehnner NOT try to force the TP guys into swallowing it.

HondaV65 on July 29, 2011 at 4:22 PM

We’re not going to fix this problem with one piece of legislation.

It’s going to take incremental changes over several years.

SteveMG on July 29, 2011 at 4:22 PM

If the House doesn’t send out a bill for Reid to have to deal with, they’re not in the game.

If they fail and Reid passes his bill then all of the attention goes back to the House.

They have to have a card in the game to play.

At least with this there’s something that Reid and the Democrats have to consider.

SteveMG on July 29, 2011 at 4:21 PM

Uhm … the House gave the Senate a bill … last week.

It’s called CCB. You can google that.

HondaV65 on July 29, 2011 at 4:23 PM

The GOP cannot win every point. Take the small victory of no new taxes and move on to the 2012 elections…

RedSoxNation on July 29, 2011 at 4:15 PM

Win? $6+ trillion in new debt over the next decade is a win? And they won’t even raise taxes to offset that new debt in the least?

That is a goddamned win in your book?

Aquateen Hungerforce on July 29, 2011 at 4:24 PM

We’re not going to fix this problem with one piece of legislation.

It’s going to take incremental changes over several years.

SteveMG on July 29, 2011 at 4:22 PM

Yeah that’s how the Democrats see it to. Which is why I think the RINO’s should get with the Dims to craft a bill that Rinos and Dims can vote for and leave the Tea Party the hell alone!

HondaV65 on July 29, 2011 at 4:24 PM

The GOP cannot win every point. Take the small victory of no new taxes and move on to the 2012 elections…

RedSoxNation on July 29, 2011 at 4:15 PM

Strawman – we haven’t won a single point.

HondaV65 on July 29, 2011 at 4:25 PM

It’s called CCB. You can google that.

Yes, but the game has moved on. We’re at the end stages.

If the House bill goes down, Reid can pass his bill and not worry about what the House has.

Because Boehner has nothing to bring to the table.

Boehner has to have something to negotiate with.

The Democrats outman him – they have the Senate, they have the White House and they have much of the press.

Boehner can’t fight off all of that with nothing.

SteveMG on July 29, 2011 at 4:25 PM

Get as much reductions as you can NOW.

Go for the rest tomorrow.

SteveMG on July 29, 2011 at 4:26 PM

Take the small victory of no new taxes and move on to the 2012 elections…

RedSoxNation on July 29, 2011 at 4:15 PM

Oh by the way – that’s not a “victory” just yet. We haven’t seen the REAL bill that is going to increase the debt. All we’ve seen so far are irrelevent side-shows – like the Boehner Bill.

HondaV65 on July 29, 2011 at 4:26 PM

Get as much reductions as you can NOW.

Go for the rest tomorrow.

SteveMG on July 29, 2011 at 4:26 PM

Call the RINO’s in Congress and tell them to band with the Dims and do it then.

You don’t need the Tea Party for that – they’re a minority on capitol hill. Let everyone vote their conscience and let the chips fall where they may.

HondaV65 on July 29, 2011 at 4:28 PM

Yeah that’s how the Democrats see it to. Which is why I think the RINO’s should get with the Dims to craft a bill that Rinos and Dims can vote for and leave the Tea Party the hell alone!

HondaV65 on July 29, 2011 at 4:24 PM

And how long ago was it that you were calling for the Tea Party to blow up every piece of legislation that didn’t include the specifics you were asking for?

OnlyOrange on July 29, 2011 at 4:29 PM

Yes, but the game has moved on. We’re at the end stages.

If the House bill goes down, Reid can pass his bill and not worry about what the House has.

Because Boehner has nothing to bring to the table.

Boehner has to have something to negotiate with.

The Democrats outman him – they have the Senate, they have the White House and they have much of the press.

Boehner can’t fight off all of that with nothing.

SteveMG on July 29, 2011 at 4:25 PM

LOL – No one is going to read the Boehner Bill because it’s going in the crapper the minute it’s signed.

Boehner is already in negotiations with Reid and McConnell on yet – another – agreement. That will be the agreement which increases our national debt and it will require another vote from the House.

And THAT bill will have no resemblance at all to the Boehner bill.

But I say – eh, vote for the Boehner Bill – it’s irrelevent but, in the end harmless so why not.

I’m going to have fun pointing and laughing at everyone who thought it was so important though. Because the seas aren’t going to part like magic when it’s signed. LOL

HondaV65 on July 29, 2011 at 4:31 PM

You don’t compromise with people who are wrong. Every time the Senate rejects a bill, and even stronger one with more cuts should be proposed. Is there anyone in congress who has any guts at all. They were elected for a reason, “TO STOP RUNAWAY SPENDING” Rewriting bills to placate greedy stupid politicians is not the way.

Tommy_G on July 29, 2011 at 4:31 PM

And how long ago was it that you were calling for the Tea Party to blow up every piece of legislation that didn’t include the specifics you were asking for?

OnlyOrange on July 29, 2011 at 4:29 PM

Can you give me an example of what you’re ranting about?

I’ve never asked the Tea Party to “blow up” anything.

Hyperbole.

HondaV65 on July 29, 2011 at 4:32 PM

“Can’t we just take him to a rest area on I-95 and toss him out?”

BobMbx on July 29, 2011 at 4:13 PM

I say we toss Cujo under the nearest bus.

Lily on July 29, 2011 at 4:34 PM

The GOP leadership team is 0-16, and what exactly have the Conservatives accomplished in Congress since January?

Same old lying, thieving, and snorting going on, from both parties. And once again the whining goes out from the GOP Coaches……we can’t win we just need to settle for getting past the 50 yard line.

NO NO NO…….grow some and punch it against the worst opposition team the GOP has ever played.

Unless……….you’re really on the same team after all.

PappyD61 on July 29, 2011 at 4:35 PM

You don’t compromise with people who are wrong.

Tommy_G on July 29, 2011 at 4:31 PM

No one has to compromise.

Everyone can vote their conscience. The Dims and RINO’s want to increase debt on our kids – the Tea Party doesn’t.

Let the Dims and Rino’s band together to do that … leave the Tea Party out of that. TP is still a minority on Capitol Hill.

HondaV65 on July 29, 2011 at 4:35 PM

The first thing we need to cut out is Congressional and Executive Branch salaries, perks, benefits, etc. Including all aides, admin assistants….. EVERYBODY! They should have to eat their peas first.

ultracon on July 29, 2011 at 4:35 PM

The idiocy of trying to remake US federal spending policy with only a small majority in the House is truly astounding. The Democrats are just laughing their a$$($ off at this. You idiot hardliners are going to hand them another victory and make it even more difficult to make the changes you advocate.

Boehner should print out a picture of Christine O’Donnell and staple it to the front of the BBA.

WisCon on July 29, 2011 at 4:36 PM

Anyone remember Obowmacare…?

Seven Percent Solution on July 29, 2011 at 4:41 PM

So there will be another bill coming back to the house – and there is no way you’ll see Boehnner NOT try to force the TP guys into swallowing it.

HondaV65 on July 29, 2011 at 4:22 PM

Exactly! We will be arriving at a $17 trillion debt shortly. That is a long way from $14.4 trillion.

Boehner will cave, because he is afraid that Obama will not write the checks to pay the essential bills, which is the whole foundation of the Dems strategy. In negotiations, once you signal to your opponent you will not walk away from the table, you lose; and Boehner has signaled that from the beginning of this battle. Game over.

Whether the US can recover from this course of bankruptcy is in question. Republicans will never gain a super-majority in the Senate, and the socialist Dems will use the filibuster to stop the kind of reductions in spending and changes to entitlement programs necessary to save the country. A non-establishment Rep as President could make a difference, if it’s not too late to recover. So far, there are only two possibilities on the horizon, Bachmann and Palin.

SheetAnchor on July 29, 2011 at 4:41 PM

In the midst of all this confusion, I think what the
republicans should have done from day one is ask for
the moon in their first bill offering, then each day or
two take a little out, put something else in, etc. adjusting
as they keep presenting bills. They should have labeled each bill #1, #2, …..#20, etc. They should have reps go on all the tv/radio shows and present their ideas while mentioning the number of the bill and repeatedly saying how many bills they have presented.Nothing too negative just include the info in the dialogue. At the very least they
would be perceived by the American public as to be doing
something, trying to solve the problem. The democraps
by refusing to vote or voting against all of it would then be perceived by the public to be the dumb tax and spend
idiots we all know they are.

If this is going to be theatre, then play the game better
than the opposition!

Amjean on July 29, 2011 at 4:42 PM

So lets see if I got this…

- The House bill has no chance in the Senate.

- Reid’s bill has no chance in the House.

- There will be much screaming, finger pointing, and drama.

- The debt limit will be reached and Obama will have to start making some decisions. The man is noted in the record for voting ‘Present’.

What is not to like about this situation?

You can win back credit ratings by acting responsibly, paying off your debts on the installment plan over 30 years, and having a balanced budget. Winning back a Nation is a bit harder to do. If you are worried about the credit ratings then perhaps, just perhaps, looking to see if there is a Nation left after the continued spending that can’t be supported just might be a teensy thing to consider.

Because if we don’t stop the spending now then our credit ratings won’t matter a damned bit after we get spent into oblivion by the spendthrifts putting these bills up that do not even keep rates at CURRENT LEVELS. Not to speak of actually chopping spending to sections of the beast. Because all the worry over credit ratings is tactics and awful political ones, at that.

Putting the state of the Nation first is strategy and our credit rating is the least of our worries when it is Republicans proposing long-term tracking of citizen internet use by ISPs. Or do you love the Republican Nannystate when it is added to the Democratic one? Because that is what you will get at the end of this: poverty, surveillance, presumed guilt, and a Nation where the jobs have fled because we want government to rule over us, not govern. Nation first, principles to back the Nation second and political parties should be put around raw sewage: something that needs to be heated, treated, and disinfected before used for composting.

ajacksonian on July 29, 2011 at 4:44 PM

So there will be another bill coming back to the house – and there is no way you’ll see Boehnner NOT try to force the TP guys into swallowing it.

HondaV65 on July 29, 2011 at 4:22 PM

And how is this any different from where we were a week ago? Or two weeks ago, or….

This situation sucks, and as long as the Dems own the Senate and White House, the only thing being served in the House cafeteria is “shit sandwiches”…

OnlyOrange on July 29, 2011 at 4:45 PM

HondaV65 on July 29, 2011 at 4:32 PM

No, you’ve just been telling them to vote against anything that didn’t include your list of demands…

OnlyOrange on July 29, 2011 at 4:47 PM

The idiocy of trying to remake US federal spending policy with only a small majority in the House is truly astounding. The Democrats are just laughing their a$$($ off at this. You idiot hardliners are going to hand them another victory and make it even more difficult to make the changes you advocate.

Boehner should print out a picture of Christine O’Donnell and staple it to the front of the BBA.

WisCon on July 29, 2011 at 4:36 PM

Hey….my favorite squish coward!! Somebody wake you up again?

Don’t worry…..the very people you’ve been whining about just forced boner to clean up the bill somewhat.

You can thank us later.

Now how about you STFU and go back to sleep.

Wuss.

Tim_CA on July 29, 2011 at 4:48 PM

The idiocy of trying to remake US federal spending policy with only a small majority in the House is truly astounding. The Democrats are just laughing their a$$($ off at this. You idiot hardliners are going to hand them another victory and make it even more difficult to make the changes you advocate.

WisCon on July 29, 2011 at 4:36 PM

The Democrat majority in the Senate is lame duck and they know it. 0bama is not far behind. The Democrats are being crushed between hitting the max on the credit card they used to buy votes and 2012. Any laughter you hear is of the nervous variety.

pedestrian on July 29, 2011 at 4:49 PM

When will the bill be voted on? Anyone know?///

RedSoxNation on July 29, 2011 at 4:11 PM

this evening between 5:45 and 6 p.m.Eastern. source: Daily Caller

http://dailycaller.com/2011/07/29/reid-moves-forward-with-plan-boehner-tweaks-his/

jimver on July 29, 2011 at 4:49 PM

The Tea Party won, let’s try our way now. Obama recieved a trillion dollars, Obamacare and whatever he wanted while the Democrats ruled all three houses of government.

We will win either way, they will either be forced to balance the budget or cut back on spending if no bill is passed. If they are allowed to continue on their current path, this country will be buried under a mountain of debt anyway.

Cut, cut, cut and I don’t care how small the amounts are, no cocaine for monkeys, NPR, chinese scientists to study hookers or crosses doused in urine. Reform social programs, I will give up my rights to Social Security if they reform the program now. We need to hold them at the line now, no more retreating.

Africanus on July 29, 2011 at 4:51 PM

Politics is the art of the possible.

SteveMG on July 29, 2011 at 4:16 PM

and that of compromise I might add…finally, a sensible analysis on this thread…

jimver on July 29, 2011 at 4:51 PM

We’re not going to fix this problem with one piece of legislation.

It’s going to take incremental changes over several years.

SteveMG on July 29, 2011 at 4:22 PM

I know, and the credibility that has been lost over this will not likely disapate very quickly.

This reminds me of the manic way the Demcrats acted in January 2009, with the stimulus and then again with Healthcare, they thought they had a mandate and they strong armed their way through everything and lost all credibility. Now the Tea Party is making the same mistake!!!

Do they not understand that this is a democracy and winning one election, and one third of the government doesn’t give you a mandate to blow up the world?

It is unAmerican to pretend you have an absolute mandate you don’t have.

The thing that may save the Tea Party is the more sane Republicans who are telling them to tame down their over-reaching.

It is astounding to watch. Did they not pay attention to the mistakes Obama, Nancy and Reid made? Why do they want to push people away? Mind boggling

Forcing people to do it their way, invites the Democrats to make it impossible to enforce.

Real, long lasting change comes through persuasion. We have to convince people that our way is best, you can’t force righteousness!

Democrats are no more likely to change their ways when they are forced, than we are!!!

This is not change that will last, this is not going to make people suddenly give up their spending, they will just change everything back, or make a way to get around the new rules!

If you can make legislation quickly against people’s will, you can change it back the same way.

petunia on July 29, 2011 at 4:52 PM

Sure, Boehner’s bill will get tabled in the Senate, but not without 51 out of 53 Dem senators voting, once again, against the BBA. Out of that 51, there will be about 12 or 13 who will be up for election in red, leaning red, or purple states.

Now, between 2/3 and 3/4 of the people understand and support passage of the BBA, depending on which poll you look at. We may not get anything good out of this whole imbroglio except no tax increases and getting some vulnerable Dems in both the senate and the house on record against the BBA, the latter of which will make some strong-assed ads, and hopefully knock some of these libs right out of the senate.

While I’ve come around to the view that Boehner should’ve just told Obama and Reid that the House had done its work by passing CCB and it’s their move, if he insists on sending up another dead bird, at least make them eat the damn thing.

TXUS on July 29, 2011 at 5:02 PM

Maybe we should remind the Tea Party that they didn’t win the Revolutionary War — they only started it. General Washington won it, after losing battle after battle along the way, retreating often to fight another day…

OnlyOrange on July 29, 2011 at 5:03 PM

Democrats are no more likely to change their ways when they are forced, than we are!!!

this is what the ‘stand on principle’ ‘hold the line’ crowd doesn’t understand…the same intransigence that they put in their views and habits is mirrored on the other side (people of lib persuasion) and they cannot possibly expect, let alone ‘force’ the latter to somehow change overnight and give in…cutting spending and all is going to be a long, gradual process and it is going to take a consensus for it to happen really, both at a political and societal level….

jimver on July 29, 2011 at 5:05 PM

Tommy_G on July 29, 2011 at 4:31 PM

Re: Compromising with people that are wrong.

You are right. The latest Boehner plan is supposed to be voted on soon today. It is said they have the votes for it to pass. Then it will go to the Senate where Reid will shredd it, remake it into his plan and send it back to the House.

Then we’ll see what the House will do; pass it? If they do, then you will see “compromise with people that are wrong”

Fear, lack of Faith and Courage to do the right thing cause people to compromise.

Standing for what is right has a price and many people don’t want to pay that price.

bluefox on July 29, 2011 at 5:05 PM

If this is going to be theatre, then play the game better than the opposition!

Amjean on July 29, 2011 at 4:42 PM

You are right. Boehner and Cantor had a winning hand and blew it, right from the beginning. As soon as they signaled that they were afraid to walk away from the table, Obama had them. All they had to do was stand on CCB, and walk away. They were scared Obama would not pay the essential bills and they would be blamed. Obama called them, and they folded. They do not know how to play hard ball with a community organizer from Chicago. They bought his rhetoric and smoke and mirrors again; and Obama laughs agains as his socialist agenda is thrust upon us once again. And after this, if he does not get his next increase in the debt ceiling scheduled until after the election, he will go for it again next year, knowing already that Boehner will lead the House to cave again.

The only shot left is if the Tea Party freshmen say no to Reid’s bill when he sends it to the House the day before August 2nd, the misperceived meltdown date. Reid wil dare Boehner and the House to turn that bill down. All Dems in the House will vote for it, and enough establishment Reps will likely vote for it too, and hope you common sense folks forget all about it before the next election. Sounds like “business as usual” as we continue to head toward bankruptcy.

SheetAnchor on July 29, 2011 at 5:12 PM

C-span has coverage in the House now. Procedural Vote on Raising Federal Debt Ceiling next.

bluefox on July 29, 2011 at 5:13 PM

Addicted to spending!
Cure: fix the Budget Process and pass a “No Increased Budgets” Bill.
If these people get their hands on more of OUR Money they will just spend it – and some more….

gullxn on July 29, 2011 at 5:13 PM

Then we’ll see what the House will do; pass it? If they do, then you will see “compromise with people that are wrong”

Fear, lack of Faith and Courage to do the right thing cause people to compromise.

Standing for what is right has a price and many people don’t want to pay that price.

bluefox on July 29, 2011 at 5:05 PM

They will pass it. Does anyone believe that Boehner and Cantor will say DOA to Reid’s bill, just like Reid will do with their bill – at the last minute before August 2nd when Reid will send it over?

SheetAnchor on July 29, 2011 at 5:16 PM

The idiocy of trying to remake US federal spending policy with only a small majority in the House is truly astounding. The Democrats are just laughing their a$$($ off at this. You idiot hardliners are going to hand them another victory and make it even more difficult to make the changes you advocate.

WisCon on July 29, 2011 at 4:36 PM

Then why did the “adult in the room” (Boehner) start this fight in the first place?

If he wasn’t willing to see this through, he should not have picked this ground to fight on.

mockmook on July 29, 2011 at 5:18 PM

The Dems don’t want the BBA because it will show that THEY are the problem and not serious at all about doing anything about spending. That’s a bloody cudgel the GOP could use against them in 2012. Good for Hensarling and bad on Jenna Lee for being a putz. (Can girls be putzes?) Too many Fox “journalists” are little more than shallow thinkers who parrot conventional wisdom memes and Democrat narratives. Some of the ones who aren’t shallow thinkers have been reigned in by upper management to go easy on the Dems.

JimP on July 29, 2011 at 5:18 PM

Again I ask, why is it assumed that the GOP must be the ones to cave?

Nothing moves without the House. They have as much power as the Senate and President in this stand-off.

mockmook on July 29, 2011 at 5:21 PM

It’s compromising with people who have the votes and, right now, the power.

Nobody likes it.

If I believed that letting the debt ceiling date expire and THEN the Democrats would come begging for a deal, I’d go with it.

But I simply don’t see how shaking the foreign markets and risking economic harm will lead to the Democrats caving in. We all know who will be blamed, fairly or not, for any economic disruption as a result of the failure to raise the debt.

I just don’t see how the Republicans can push this right now.

Get as much as you can and then come back.

SteveMG on July 29, 2011 at 5:24 PM

it is to try to take this country back from the socialists who currently control it…

OnlyOrange on July 29, 2011 at 4:20 PM

You sound like the good church people in High Noon who told the sheriff he really should have left town. I’ve been hearing the take it back from the socialist meme since 1972 as a reason to compromise. The only thing that has happened is that we have 14 trillion dollars more debt and the regulatory nanny state is rapidly sucking the oxygen out of our freedoms.

chemman on July 29, 2011 at 5:27 PM

Someone just sent this to me – in terms that
every American will understand – no smoke
screens to complicate the issues -

This puts their ignoring of the real problem into a perspective that everyone should be able to understand.

Heard on the radio (Dave Ramsey) yesterday that if the US Government was a family they would be making $58,000 a year, they spend $75,000 a year and are $327,000 dollars in credit card debt. They are currently proposing BIG spending cuts to reduce their spending to $72,000 a year. (These are the actual proportions of the federal budget and debt, reduced to a level that we can understand.)

Amjean on July 29, 2011 at 5:27 PM

Someone on the Bob Beckel show just noted that old media narrative has changed from “blame Bush” to “blame the Tea Party”.

Any reason but little Bammie and his prog cabal I guess.

slickwillie2001 on July 29, 2011 at 5:30 PM

They will pass it. Does anyone believe that Boehner and Cantor will say DOA to Reid’s bill, just like Reid will do with their bill – at the last minute before August 2nd when Reid will send it over?

SheetAnchor on July 29, 2011 at 5:16 PM

Exactly! The Dems have played this brilliantly and will time this perfectly. Republicans have again fallen into the trap. I would be extremely surprised if they announce that whatever Reid is cooking is a non-starter in the house.

neuquenguy on July 29, 2011 at 5:31 PM

…Too many Fox “journalists” are little more than shallow thinkers who parrot conventional wisdom memes and Democrat narratives. Some of the ones who aren’t shallow thinkers have been reined in by upper management to go easy on the Dems.

JimP on July 29, 2011 at 5:18 PM

So true. Fox News needs some competition from the right.

slickwillie2001 on July 29, 2011 at 5:32 PM

Again I ask, why is it assumed that the GOP must be the ones to cave?

Nothing moves without the House. They have as much power as the Senate and President in this stand-off.

mockmook on July 29, 2011 at 5:21 PM

You are right. Boehner leads the House to cave because he is scared. He is scared that a shutdown will be blamed on the Reps. What he doesn’t understand is that Obama will pay the essential bills when he is faced with defaulting and not writing the social security checks with over $200 billion in the bank, substantially more than enough to pay it. Boehner does not have the nerve to risk it.

How many would risk it and call Obama out? How many believe that if there is no deal by August 2nd, that President Obama would not pay the interest on the debt of $29 billion, when there is over $200 billion in the bank today to pay the bill, and enough to pay social security, military personnel and veterans, and other essential bills?

SheetAnchor on July 29, 2011 at 5:32 PM

Too many Fox “journalists” are little more than shallow thinkers who parrot conventional wisdom memes and Democrat narratives. Some of the ones who aren’t shallow thinkers have been reined in by upper management to go easy on the Dems.

JimP on July 29, 2011 at 5:18 PM

The journalists who cover the beltway have been there most of their lives – they’ve been absorbed by the “group think” which says … “anything to stay in power”.

The don’t realize that this philosophy has led us to the brink of bankruptcy. While Republicans TALKED about reducing spending – they never did. Not once. Sure – reduce the rate of increase – but no Republican EVER decreased the size of government or government spending.

I’ve seen this for fifty years – fifty years of broken promises from the GOP – and now they say I need to compromise my principles to put them back into power?

Uhm … No thanks.

You want to increase the debt – join the Dims – they’ll be happy to help you!

HondaV65 on July 29, 2011 at 5:41 PM

I’ve been hearing the take it back from the socialist meme since 1972 as a reason to compromise. The only thing that has happened is that we have 14 trillion dollars more debt and the regulatory nanny state is rapidly sucking the oxygen out of our freedoms.

chemman on July 29, 2011 at 5:27 PM

You’re an old timer like me! :)

You’re spot on – fifty years for me listening to the promises “play the long game” … “elect more republicans” …

Well … the lies worked for me until Bush gave us No Child Left Behind and Medicare Part D – and refused to strongarm the Dims on Fannie and Freddie when he had complete control of the beltway and knew those organizations were in trouble.

Sorry – heard it all before – I’ll go with my own instinct this time which say …

We’re outta f***in’ money.

HondaV65 on July 29, 2011 at 5:44 PM

Sorry – heard it all before – I’ll go with my own instinct this time which say …

We’re outta f***in’ money.

HondaV65 on July 29, 2011 at 5:44 PM

..o.k., champ, you have perfected you Harry “DOA” Reid impersonation. Now, in this situation, what would you do? Specifics please..what’s YOUR plan?

The War Planner on July 29, 2011 at 5:53 PM

“Again I ask, why is it assumed that the GOP must be the ones to cave?
Nothing moves without the House. They have as much power as the Senate and President in this stand-off.
mockmook on July 29, 2011 at 5:21 PM”

Excellent question and I agree with your point of view. I think the reason it is assumed is because the RINOs have caved for so many decades and the MSM has come to expect it and been allowed to frame the narrative that way. Now it is just automatic for the Dems, MSM and the RINOs to expect a cave. That sounds crazy maybe of the RINOs, but think back how many times they have pulled a Boehner and “snatched defeat from the jaws of victory”. Even though Boehner showed up with the Newt Congress as soon as Newt was gone he turned into a foppish RINO ‘cave’man. He’s like Charlie Brown, he expects to lose and so it becomes a self fulfilling prophesy. Plus I think he wants to be liked. He started his ‘business’ career in sales afterall and many salesmen need to be liked to sell their products. Boehner appears to me to be one of the neurotic types who have emotional reasons for wanting to be liked. What was all that crying about regarding the kids getting college loans back when he was elected speaker? Weird.

JimP on July 29, 2011 at 5:53 PM

“You want to increase the debt – join the Dims – they’ll be happy to help you!
HondaV65 on July 29, 2011 at 5:41 PM”

Huh? I didn’t say anything about wanting to increase the debt.

JimP on July 29, 2011 at 5:57 PM

HondaV65 on July 29, 2011 at 5:44 PM

..still waiting, Ace.

The War Planner on July 29, 2011 at 6:10 PM

This is one of those times when I am actually glad that my Representative is a Democrat, because if I had a Republican representative who is about to vote for this bill, we in the Tea Party would be as galvinized as we already are to remove the current Democrat representative in our district in 2012. The House freshmen should have stood firm on nothing less than CCB. This nation is headed toward disaster and today, we have done nothing to change direction. The annual interest on our debt is $300 billion – which is 3 times the annual spending cuts in the Boehner bill; and even this bill is DOA in the Senate. Why are they even bothering with this bill? It makes no sense.

So Boehner compromises, and guess who will take credit? Obama! He will announce that it was his steadfast leadership for a “balanced” approach that saved us from a catastrophe. The Reps should be ashamed of themselves and do not deserve to represent any sane American citizen. With leadership like this, it’s all Dems, all the time.

SheetAnchor on July 29, 2011 at 6:25 PM

I am a local TEA Party leader and as much as I wanted to hold firm for more, I am steeped in reality since I am 66 years of age and was a manager in heavy construction during my working years.

You can’t keep losing battles and win the war. It is said by military people, you go with the 75% you have because waiting for 100% finds you being attacked by the enemy.

amr on July 29, 2011 at 7:11 PM

Amjean on July 29, 2011 at 5:27 PM

Very good. I hate to quote NEWSWEEK but here is another estimate:

Even the $4 trillion “grand bargain” on debt reduction hammered out by President Barack Obama and House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio)—a deal that collapsed nearly as quickly as it came together—would not have gotten the U.S. where it needs to be. A June analysis by the Congressional Budget Office concluded that keeping the U.S.’s ratio of debt to gross domestic product at current levels until the year 2085 (to avoid scaring off investors) would require spending cuts, tax hikes, or a combination of both equal to 8.3 percent of GDP each year for the next 75 years, vs. the most likely (i.e. “alternative”) scenario. That translates to $15 trillion over the next decade—or more than three times what Obama and Boehner were considering.

Form Why the debt crises is worse than you think August 1, 2011 edition on Newstands NOW! Thank GOD for the Tea Party!

IlikedAUH2O on July 29, 2011 at 7:37 PM

I’ve been hearing the take it back from the socialist meme since 1972 as a reason to compromise. The only thing that has happened is that we have 14 trillion dollars more debt and the regulatory nanny state is rapidly sucking the oxygen out of our freedoms.

chemman on July 29, 2011 at 5:27 PM

I voted for Perot… how about you?

Is that independent enough to suit you?

OnlyOrange on July 29, 2011 at 7:43 PM

On the other hand I heard at least three voices in the media say that this budget stuff was silly. The most prominent was Eugene Robinson. I think that is his name. So I’m not called racist I had better carefully identify him. He won a Pulitzer, writes for the Wash Post wears glasses, and lives on Hardball, anyway, he said that the budgets of nations do not resemble those of a household. Then added that it is called Economics. See?

Just spend, spend spend.

IlikedAUH2O on July 29, 2011 at 7:44 PM