Allen West: Not going to get involved in Tea Party “schizophrenia”

posted at 1:25 pm on July 29, 2011 by Ed Morrissey

Matt Lewis says, “When Laura Ingraham and Rep. Allen West are calling out the Tea Party, you know something’s up[.]” As it turns out, some of the Tea Party attack on Allen West turned out to be a misunderstanding, but West takes the opportunity to support John Boehner and remind people that Harry Reid’s plan cuts defense spending. Laura Ingraham pledges her support to West as she scolds some conservatives for attacking West for attempting the possible:

As I said on the air yesterday in an interview, any definition of “fiscal conservative” that doesn’t include Paul Ryan and Allen West is one that I can’t recognize. West defends himself and the Republican caucus well enough, so I don’t need to recap it, but West has a point when he asks what he’s voting for if people demand that he vote against Boehner 1.1.

Besides, the entire notion that the Tea Party Nation would push for a primary against West is based on a faulty media report. Judson Phillips, its founder and CEO, repudiated that notion entirely in a statement later in the morning:

Setting the Record Straight

There is a story in The Hill that a group of Tea Party organizations is threatening a primary challenge against a number of Freshmen Congressmen including Allen West. This story says a press release has been issued with Tea Party Nation supporting an effort to push a primary challenge against Allen West.

Tea Party Nation has NEVER said we want to see a primary challenge against Allen West. West has been a staunch Tea Party supporter and though we strongly disagree with his support of the really terrible John Boehner plan, West has been an overwhelmingly good Congressman and we would be hard pressed to find someone better.

The group that put this press release out used Tea Party Nation’s name without our permission. No one at TPN was shown this press release in advance. Had we been shown that press release, we would have vetoed the use of our name.

We still call for a primary challenge to John Boehner and there maybe some Republicans who deserve a primary challenge, but Allen West is not one of those.

To be absolutely clear, neither Tea Party Nation, nor Tea Party Nation founder Judson Phillips support this effort.

We specifically repudiate it.

Not that there is anything wrong with primary challenges anyway, of course. That’s a perfectly legitimate way to push for policy goals, and the Tea Party in general made good use of them in 2010. However, targeting Allen West of all people for being insufficiently conservative would have been a fast track to irrelevancy, and Phillips certainly understands that.

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West used the TEA Party to get into Congress, and is now distancing himself from it.

There’s a word for that. Asshole.

BobMbx on July 29, 2011 at 2:05 PM

AMEN!! I just ripped him off my dream ticket. POS.

greeneyedconservative on July 29, 2011 at 3:51 PM

West and Ingraham are essentially saying if we don’t borrow more and continue to spend more than we make, were in trouble.
By default they’re saying that people who want to stop borrowing and spend no more than what’s coming in are crazy.

Big Orange on July 29, 2011 at 3:51 PM

Hey youngTxcon:

Read this quote from the budget:

In CBO’s baseline projections, appropriations for discretionary programs are assumed to grow each year with inflation from the amounts provided for the most recent year. The March baseline, as adjusted, incorporates reductions in projected spending resulting from appropriation actions that occurred after the January baseline had been prepared. In particular, the Department of Defense and Full-Year Continuing Appropriations Act, 2011 (P.L. 112-10) established discretionary funding levels for the current year, while the earlier January baseline reflected funding levels that were largely a temporary extension of the 2010 appropriations.

Honorable John A. Boehner
Page 3

Relative to the adjusted March baseline, proposed budget authority would be $840 billion lower and outlays would be about $755 billion lower over the 2012-2021 period. Relative
to the January baseline, excluding funding for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and for similar activities, the proposed caps would lower budget authority by nearly $1.1 trillion and outlays by about $935 billion over the 2012-2021 period (see Table 1). The projected reductions in outlays are smaller than the projected reductions in budget authority because outlays generally lag behind budget authority (and thus some of the savings from the caps would occur beyond the 10-year budget window) and because some budget authority never results in outlays.

Do you understand what ‘relative to the baseline’ means?

It means these ‘cuts’ are actually NOT CUTS, but REDUCTIONS IN THE RATE OF ALREADY ASSUMED GROWTH.

Stop being a tool and learn something.

fossten on July 29, 2011 at 3:52 PM

It is so funny to see the moderates and trolls here on H A defending West against the disappointment of the conservatives. If that doesn’t tell West how wrong he is… nothing will.

CCRWM on July 29, 2011 at 3:47 PM

He hasn’t disappointed this conservative, so I’m not sure what your point is, nor how it supports your conclusion…

OnlyOrange on July 29, 2011 at 3:53 PM

It only means that he’s realized that he’s outgunned in this particular skirmish of the larger battle. In that respect he’s smarter than many here…

OnlyOrange on July 29, 2011 at 3:42 PM

Have to disagree, my friend. This is a political chess game, and because we are outnumbered is not a salient factor. The people are with the Reps, and the fight needs to be now. We engaged the battle last November with the landslide election, biggest in 70 years in the Congress. The clear mandate was to stop Obama at ALL costs, and that meant now, not tomorrow.

There are no guarantees we will gain control of the government in 2012. No knows what is going to happen. What we do know is this – we will be $17 trillion dollars in debt in 2012 when they raise the debt ceiling now, and we have gained virtually nothing other than a promise not to increase taxes from Obama. $100 billion a year in cuts? Give me a break! This year’s deficit alone is $1.6 trillion. We can, and must, hold the line now!

Obama and the Dems do not give two cents about the $17 trillion in debt. They are willing to fundamentally transform America, by spending us into oblivion so that we will be a weak country and unable to even pay to defend our freedom, forcing us to submit to some other world powers.
Do you all not realize that President Obama is determined to end this country as we have known it, and relegate it to being ruled over by Russia, and China, and the United Nations? We have to stop these people and the time to hold the line is now! They do not believe we have the nerve, and maybe they are right. I pray not!

We need courage of conviction now. We need to strike now! We need to get on the offensive now! Republicans have all the ammunition they need to strike – Ryan’s budget; CCB; BBA; immediate spending freeze; roll back spending to 2008 levels; and now a new “penny” plan by Connie Mack and Rand Paul.

Can anyone in the Republican party lead? How come Republican leaders can never seem to make the argument to the people – even when the truth is on their side? Conservative talk show hosts have to make the argument instead of elected Republican politicians. Unbelievable!

As General Norman “Dutch” Cota said on the Normandy beach, with the force pinned down and dying, “Gentlemen, we are being killed on the beaches. Let us go inland and be killed;” and he and his courageous men lept up and opened a gateway forward from that beach. They risked everthing – everything; and without taking that risk, the D-Day invasion would likely have failed. Sometimes you have to be willng to risk everything to succeed.

Great Americans have time after time, at the critical moment, risked everything; and time and time again they succeeded. This is one of those times. We must be willing to risk everything to preserve the nation. Establishment Republicans are always afraid to do anything the Dems will not support. Don’t you remember when Republicans had the entire Congress, and Democrats in the Senate blocked Bush’s judicial nominees, and Bill Frist wanted to pull the trigger and stop the filibuster of judicial nominees? What did the establishment Republicans do? They, led by McCain and his gang of 14, stopped Frist – their own Majority leader! They caved. Hence, there is no reason to believe establishment Republicans will ever stand on principle or stand up for patriotic American people. Republicans are not going to get a supermajority in the Senate in 2012; hence the Dems will block them every time using the filibuster; and the Republicans will not use the “nuclear” option to overide them.

House freshman, it is you who are now on the political beach. We must get off this beach. You must risk everything to succeed. Let us go inland and be killed. You can open the gateway; it is the only way to succeed. The Dems are the ones on the ropes, and now is the time to strike hard.

SheetAnchor on July 29, 2011 at 3:54 PM

..one wonders how may comments here calling for West to be primaried are trolls or just pain delusional. This is like casting aspersions on the Minute Man next to you because he is using an English-made flintlock to hold off the Red Coats.

C’mon people, we have a more formidable enemy to fight than a steadfast brother-in-arms.

The War Planner on July 29, 2011 at 3:12 PM

You ever wonder why it is that the government no longer represents the people, but the people are simply slaves to the government, even though we supposedly have the power of the vote? Because of incumbency protection and the expectation that gives of a lifetime appointment with minor hiccups called elections along the way. The person in power through the vote they got by telling the people that he was like them and had their very same concerns slowly, or in the case of West quickly become a person that is far removed from their constituents, and actually hold their voters in contempt for asking them to do what they stated they would do to earn the votes. Primaries help concentrate the representative back onto his constituents instead of concentrating on how to add more power to themselves and their new peers.

Ideally, we could get a constitutional amendment making the life of a politician become a short lived event. My thought is that before every election, about 3 to 10 months out, the people are allowed to give a vote of confidence for the entirety of the House of Representatives and the Senate, each separately. A vote of no confidence, 50%+1 of those voting means that not one single current member of the congress is allowed to run for congressional office until after the end of their current term, they will not be allowed to be put on the ballot. I also think that at the end of the Supreme Court session each year that the states are allowed to give votes of confidence on each individual federal judge that has the power to make judgements that effect their states. All 50 are under the Supreme Court, specific states are under specific districts and so forth. A vote of no confidence end that judges career in the federal courts.

astonerii on July 29, 2011 at 3:58 PM

We need courage of conviction now. We need to strike now! We need to get on the offensive now! Republicans have all the ammunition they need to strike – Ryan’s budget; CCB; BBA; immediate spending freeze; roll back spending to 2008 levels; and now a new “penny” plan by Connie Mack and Rand Paul.

SheetAnchor on July 29, 2011 at 3:54 PM

You may have all that, but you don’t have the power to enact ANY of it.

Force this government into a total shutdown mode (i.e. receivership if not default/bankruptcy), let the markets totally tank and interest rates skyrocket, millions more unemployed, and you’ll have zero credibility left either in DC or in the population at large to try to get any of it enacted…

Falling on your own sword won’t get you off this beach….

OnlyOrange on July 29, 2011 at 4:04 PM

West and Ingraham are essentially saying if we don’t borrow more and continue to spend more than we make, were in trouble.
By default they’re saying that people who want to stop borrowing and spend no more than what’s coming in are crazy.
Big Orange on July 29, 2011 at 3:51 PM

Especially disappointing coming from Ingraham, but being steeped in the government-media complex makes it inevitable. She was entirely too chummy with Boehner the other day, and making happy talk with Huckabee was an ipecac moment.

Feedie on July 29, 2011 at 4:05 PM

I did. You’re wrong.

fossten on July 29, 2011 at 3:46 PM

No, you didn’t. The outside charts and CBO analysis show a reduction in the deficit, budgetary authority, and outlays compared to the FY 2011 budget. Discretionary caps (Title I) and now the BBA requirement are both in the bill.

youngTXcon on July 29, 2011 at 4:06 PM

Sen. Orrin Hatch’s recent voting record takes hard right

Distributed by Scripps Howard News Service
Published Thursday, July 21, 2011

Is it that because he just feels that it is the right thing to do?

Utah Tea Party Targets Orrin Hatch

By Paul Bedard

Posted: June 27, 2011

Oh, nope, it does not seem like it. It is an attempt to be true to his constituents, so he can remain in power. Power is what he cares about, he does not care about what stances he has to take to keep the power, the power of the primary, and the memory of the Tea Party people is what is needed in this nation if we are ever going to get change for the better.

West has insulted his base, and he may survive, but not without a fight, and certainly not if he feels he can continue to drift leftward.

astonerii on July 29, 2011 at 4:09 PM

It’s stuff like this which is starting to prove me right. The tea party is gradually becoming that which they rally against. I thought only unions behaved this way.

Pcoop on July 29, 2011 at 4:13 PM

Do you understand what ‘relative to the baseline’ means?

It means these ‘cuts’ are actually NOT CUTS, but REDUCTIONS IN THE RATE OF ALREADY ASSUMED GROWTH.

Stop being a tool and learn something.

fossten on July 29, 2011 at 3:52 PM

Boehner’s Cuts Are Dollar-for-Dollar, and Real, Too


RE: A Wonk Question

See also Section 1, Title I and Title II of the revised bill.

youngTXcon on July 29, 2011 at 4:16 PM

RINOs and Dems would have been elected anyway in Nevada and Delaware.
SheetAnchor on July 29, 2011 at 3:28 PM

Better to have a full on traitor. (Harry “the war is lost” Reid) and a self proclaimed marxist. No. That’s just exactly what is so exasperating about “my side” shooting itself in the foot. Sick of it.

…And Allen West is no Rino.

Boxy_Brown on July 29, 2011 at 4:17 PM

Falling on your own sword won’t get you off this beach….

OnlyOrange on July 29, 2011 at 4:04 PM

The House Reps leaders do not want to get off the beach. All they had to do was stand firm on CCB. Like Trump says, when you negotiate you have to walk away from the table to win. Boehner should have walked away after CCB; and went out and explained the situation to the American people who are behind CCB by 66%.

He gave up all the leverage by signaling to the Dems he would never walk away from the table. When your opponent knows you will not walk away from the table, you lose. You cannot negotiate out of fear.

Now the only way to recover is if the Dems actually do reject Boehner’s debt deal as all of them have promised in their letter. They will then send Reid’s bill to the House. And when the House Republicans get one more shot at it, they need to stand on CCB and BBA again – and walk away from the table; and watch as Obama begins to write the checks to pay the essential bills, including the $29 billion interest payment, while he call the Reps, and the Tea Party every name he can think of to play to his shrinking base. It is unbelievable how so many people cannot see though Obama’s and the Dems smoke and mirrors. But for the Tea Party, this utter blindness may well get him re-elected.

SheetAnchor on July 29, 2011 at 4:20 PM

It’s stuff like this which is starting to prove me right. The tea party is gradually becoming that which they rally against. I thought only unions behaved this way.

Pcoop on July 29, 2011 at 4:13 PM

…it didn’t take long, did it…

jimver on July 29, 2011 at 4:23 PM

Better to have a full on traitor. (Harry “the war is lost” Reid) and a self proclaimed marxist. No. That’s just exactly what is so exasperating about “my side” shooting itself in the foot. Sick of it.

…And Allen West is no Rino.

Boxy_Brown on July 29, 2011 at 4:17 PM

Much better to have the enemy in plain sight. Not sure who tyou are referring to, as I never said West was a RINO. Notwithstanding, his vote was out of misplaced loyalty based upon his military background which Honda explained in an earlier post. Reid will simply send the House his bill, and Boehner will cave because he allowed Reid to run out of a misperceived clock set by Obama.

SheetAnchor on July 29, 2011 at 4:26 PM

I’m not too happy with Boehner’s poker playing skills either

I’m not too happy with Boehner’s poker playing skills either, but he knows the cards are stacked against him, and he’s just trying to stay in the game…

OnlyOrange on July 29, 2011 at 4:26 PM

I’m not too happy with Boehner’s poker playing skills either, but he knows the cards are stacked against him, and he’s just trying to stay in the game…

OnlyOrange on July 29, 2011 at 4:26 PM

Pass CCB a second time and call a recess for three weeks. Go back to your districts, tell the people in the town-halls what you did, what you expect, and ask them to call their senators to have them pass the CCB, unaltered and sent to Obama for his pen.

You do not get a better hand than what we have today. It puts us on the side of 2/3 of the American voters. Puts the democrats on the other side, before an election. We got kicked out of power in 2006 and 2008 because we were not doing just this precise thing, voting for responsible government that the American people agree with.

astonerii on July 29, 2011 at 4:31 PM

It is so funny to see the moderates and trolls here on H A defending West against the disappointment of the conservatives. If that doesn’t tell West how wrong he is… nothing will.

CCRWM on July 29, 2011 at 3:47 PM

He hasn’t disappointed this conservative, so I’m not sure what your point is, nor how it supports your conclusion…

OnlyOrange on July 29, 2011 at 3:53 PM

43 of 52 members of the House Tea Party caucus have signed onto the Boehner bill, yesterday’s version. Is the Tea Party going to primary 80% of their new caucus?

slickwillie2001 on July 29, 2011 at 4:44 PM

43 of 52 members of the House Tea Party caucus have signed onto the Boehner bill, yesterday’s version. Is the Tea Party going to primary 80% of their new caucus?

slickwillie2001 on July 29, 2011 at 4:44 PM

I hope they all get primary challenges. It keeps them focused.

astonerii on July 29, 2011 at 4:47 PM

43 of 52 members of the House Tea Party caucus have signed onto the Boehner bill, yesterday’s version. Is the Tea Party going to primary 80% of their new caucus?

slickwillie2001 on July 29, 2011 at 4:44 PM

Maybe convening a circular firing squad will move us off this beach…

Ready, Fire, Aim… ooops! ;)

OnlyOrange on July 29, 2011 at 4:52 PM

There are lots if outraged TEAPartiers out there. I think we can handle all 535.

CCRWM on July 29, 2011 at 4:59 PM

The Tea Party is schizophrenic.

Someone asked me once when the movement was “rising” what their cumulative effect would be. I replied, about 1/3rd of the effort would be effective, because it galvanizes people who have been sitting out and are starting to realize how dangerous liberalism is. The other 2/3rds is wasted effort because they have no common goal and are making irrational demands. They couldn’t deliver the Senate, and were nowhere to be seen when the presidency was available. Now they can’t expect the House to control all of congress. This can be largely blamed on their failure to act sooner when the danger was on the horizon.

scotash on July 29, 2011 at 5:10 PM

Some are insisting, especially here, that the Tea Party is a “single-issue” organization focused only on government debt. It may be the issue that binds them together, but if they view it as the ONLY issue, it will dramatically limit their effectiveness…

OnlyOrange on July 29, 2011 at 5:28 PM

West is right. Doing something now is better than doing nothing at all. Some of my fellow TEA Party members are digging in their heels for the point of digging in their heels. Sometimes refusing to compromise a principle is a good thing- Sometimes. But in this case the cost of doing nothing is worse than a half measure. Take the half measure today and fight for the other half in 6 months.

Browncoatone on July 29, 2011 at 5:34 PM

Those the commander believes to be ambitious fanatics he sends out in front of the battalions holding the Eagles as they approach the Great Redoubt. He sends them in to the breach leading a forlorn hope. Whether they live or die is inconsequential…either way the commander wins.

The TEA Party has been carrying the Eagle. Now that the PTB have gotten what they needed from them, it’s time to sacrifice them before they turn their muskets upon them and mutiny.

However, if the TEA Party can be brought into line and controlled then they can continue to be useful in the future where needed.

I think their biggest fear is that the TEA Party may someday become the Tar and Feather Party.

Dr. ZhivBlago on July 29, 2011 at 5:37 PM

isn’t Ingraham a Romney 2008 supporter?

PappyD61 on July 29, 2011 at 7:03 PM

isn’t Ingraham a Romney 2008 supporter?

PappyD61 on July 29, 2011 at 7:03 PM

She is a 2012 Romney supporter too.

portlandon on July 29, 2011 at 7:54 PM

I’ll follow West. He’s a proven leader and his training, which experience has verified, makes him a trusted agent on the hill of the Capital.
You go into battle with a plan and an estimate of the situation. Once you arrive in the objective area, you (always) find that the estimate was hosed up. The soldiers of other nation’s military would then sit on their butt awaiting guidance. The strength of the American military has always been the ability to adjust to the on the ground situation, no matter your rank.
LTC West is in the objective area and is adjusting his fires to the current situation. His mission, the constituents that elected him, will not be compromised. He may have to adjust now and then but, I believe, that LTC West is on target. That’s how Army folks do things.

Hooah. LTC, US Army (Ret). Airborne!

Dingbat63 on July 29, 2011 at 7:57 PM

43 of 52 members of the House Tea Party caucus have signed onto the Boehner bill, yesterday’s version. Is the Tea Party going to primary 80% of their new caucus?

slickwillie2001 on July 29, 2011 at 4:44 PM

Why wouldn’t they? They voted to allow out of control spending to continue. They were sent there to stop the spending.

SheetAnchor on July 29, 2011 at 7:58 PM

RE.SheetAnchor

Much better to have the enemy in plain sight.

No, it’s much better to get “the enemy,” ie Harry Reid, Obama, etc out of office. We wont do that if we continue to let the perfect be the enemy of the good.

Notwithstanding, his vote was out of misplaced loyalty based upon his military background which Honda explained in an earlier post.

Honda (v65)is a either a moron or a DNC plant. My bet is on moron.

” Reid will simply send the House his bill, and Boehner will cave because he allowed Reid to run out of a misperceived clock set by Obama.”

So better employ the usual circular firing squad solution.

Boxy_Brown on July 29, 2011 at 8:59 PM

There’s a Tea Party and then there’s tea party people. This whole thing started out on tax day in 2009 as taxed enough already and was totally grass roots. It brought people out to protest with home made signs standing in front of the govt building in their home towns. How it got to be the tour de force it is made out to be as a major political party is beyond belief. It isn’t that organized. We can be a potent force coming out en mass with our signs and voting for conservatives. We need to bet back to basics. I never voted for a leader of the Tea Party and don’t intend to start now.

Kissmygrits on July 29, 2011 at 9:41 PM

As far as I’m concerned West is politically speaking a duplicitous chicken shit!

MCGIRV on July 29, 2011 at 10:53 PM

It is so funny to see the moderates and trolls here on H A defending West against the disappointment of the conservatives. If that doesn’t tell West how wrong he is… nothing will.

CCRWM on July 29, 2011 at 3:47 PM

Yeah, this has been one funny episode here today. The same ones who have mostly sat around for two years flinging poo at the TP and Palin and Palinistas are now suddenly protectors of Allen West from any sort of criticism. Say a negative word about him, and my God, it’s shrieks of “circular firing squad! Purists!!! We’re shooting ourselves in the foot!!!!” I guess the list of GOP types who CAN be lambasted on a regular basis is pretty short, in the aggregate: Palin, ‘nistas and the TP. That’s about it.

ddrintn on July 29, 2011 at 10:57 PM

Allen West is a hero.
He is wrong on supporting the Boehner bill.
Laura Ingraham shows her establishment republican colors.
The Tea Party is the only thing standing in the way of complete tyranny in this country.
Laura and the other country club republicans are wrong.

To the Gerald Ford wing of the republican party, including:
Laura Ingraham
George Will
Bill Kristol

Question: Since the Boehner bill adds another 7 trillion dollars to the debt, how does that help bring our country back to fiscal sanity?
Answer: It doesn’t!

Mark7788 on July 29, 2011 at 11:06 PM

West is right. Doing something now is better than doing nothing at all. Some of my fellow TEA Party members are digging in their heels for the point of digging in their heels. Sometimes refusing to compromise a principle is a good thing- Sometimes. But in this case the cost of doing nothing is worse than a half measure. Take the half measure today and fight for the other half in 6 months.

Browncoatone on July 29, 2011 at 5:34 PM

The Boehner bill IS DOING NOTHING.

It doesn’t cut spending at all, only small (easily cancellable at a later date, by the way) reductions in the rate of growth.

fossten on July 29, 2011 at 11:26 PM

However, if the TEA Party can be brought into line and controlled then they can continue to be useful in the future where needed.

Dr. ZhivBlago on July 29, 2011 at 5:37 PM

How very establishment elite of you.

fossten on July 29, 2011 at 11:27 PM

No, you didn’t. The outside charts and CBO analysis show a reduction in the deficit, budgetary authority, and outlays compared to the FY 2011 budget. Discretionary caps (Title I) and now the BBA requirement are both in the bill.

youngTXcon on July 29, 2011 at 4:06 PM

False. The CBO only scores what it is told.

You don’t know how to read the budget. These so called cuts are just reductions in the rate of growth, not actual cuts.

fossten on July 29, 2011 at 11:28 PM

youngTXcon on July 29, 2011 at 4:16 PM

Quoted from your article:

Current law assumes that spending on program x will increase at rate y every year for the next ten years. If you freeze spending on program x or even retard its growth, the real dollar value of the cut is thus greater in the out years. It’s as simple as that.

So the article admits that these aren’t actual reductions in the budget, only reductions in the assumed growth.

If you pay me $1.00 in 2010, and in 2011 you are scheduled to pay me $2.00, but you decide to cut that to $1.80, it’s NOT A CUT IN SPENDING.

Again, you DO NOT UNDERSTAND BASELINE BUDGETING.

fossten on July 29, 2011 at 11:32 PM

How many of you who are shooting at West were proposing him as a good VP candidate only a couple days ago?

Did he hurt your feelsings or what?

OnlyOrange on July 29, 2011 at 11:49 PM

How many of you who are shooting at West were proposing him as a good VP candidate only a couple days ago?

Did he hurt your feelsings or what?

OnlyOrange on July 29, 2011 at 11:49 PM

Yes it’s very disappointing when you support someone and then they stab you in the back.

But that’s exactly what he did.

He shot first.

fossten on July 29, 2011 at 11:56 PM

How many of you who are shooting at West were proposing him as a good VP candidate only a couple days ago?

Did he hurt your feelsings or what?

OnlyOrange on July 29, 2011 at 11:49 PM

That man was way too green to garner any support from me for that position. I never trust someone who has only had to talk the talk. I wait til they walk the walk. That man has not accomplished a good walk the walk so far. Then to call those who elected him as crazy, that is just wrong on every level. I am perfectly willing to hire people for menial work with only a little background, but for major tasks, I want someone who has proven themselves to be honest, proficient and consistent.

astonerii on July 30, 2011 at 1:54 AM

Did the two special elections since Nov 10, in Republican Upstate NY and California support the sense of momentum, inevitability and self importance of some in the Tea Party?

bayview on July 30, 2011 at 11:42 AM

I support, donate time and will again for the Allen West campaign. I believe he is wrong to support the plan, but I will not engage in savaging the man, because I believe he was wrong in this instance.

All of you out there ready to throw everyone away at the drop of a hat will find you have no one left to fight your the battles in the end. This man has taken quite a bit of garbage for being a strong conservative who happens to be black, christian and supported by the Tea Party. He does not need shots being fired at his back. Simply go to his facebook page and state why you disagree with his position.

Frankly I feel there some people out there trying to destroy the Tea Party from within. They look for one position they don’t agree with and chat nonsense about how they are going to primary someone, goodluck with that!

West is a fighter and if people continue to abandon those that stand up, those like him will stop wasting their time taking abuse from all sides to fight for our cause.

Africanus on July 30, 2011 at 4:16 PM

The fact that you are reverting to hero worship just shows how far off the center of the mark you really are, Ed.

fossten on July 29, 2011 at 1:39 PM

That’s rich coming from a Palin-cultist.
Pot meet kettle.

annoyinglittletwerp on July 30, 2011 at 6:56 PM

Africanus on July 30, 2011 at 4:16 PM

Nice. I like that.

I call for primaries, not to throw away good conservatives, but to keep them pure. Nothing keeps the politician on your side better than knowing you are looking at a competitor for vote.

So, if he was wrong this time, your right, he is not lost, but if he thinks and acts as if your vote is his regardless of his actions, he has no incentive to be true to your ideals. He can freely sell you out.

astonerii on July 31, 2011 at 1:03 AM

“I call for primaries, not to throw away good conservatives, but to keep them pure.

astonerii on July 31, 2011 at 1:03 AM”

Let us know when you find the pure, perfect politician and explain how attempting to primary him kept him that way. Sorry, this sounds like an over reaction as noted above by TPN.

Africanus on July 31, 2011 at 2:26 AM

That’s rich coming from a Palin-cultist.
Pot meet kettle.

annoyinglittletwerp on July 30, 2011 at 6:56 PM

And that’s rich coming from a Perry cultist.

gryphon202 on July 31, 2011 at 4:10 PM

It’s so nice to be able to read these comments, and realize what a selection of ideologies I have to chose from… no matter what I choose to believe, 75% of you will oppose me with your bloody teeth bared.

So, onward to the presidential election! With this harmony we can’t lose.
UGH.

leftnomore on August 1, 2011 at 4:37 AM

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