WSJ: Tea Party “hobbits” need to go back to Middle Earth, or something

posted at 2:49 pm on July 27, 2011 by Ed Morrissey

BARAD-DUR, MORDOR (HA) — The Wall Street Journal offered this, er, interesting assessment of Tea Party opposition to the John Boehner plan:

But what none of these critics have is an alternative strategy for achieving anything nearly as fiscally or politically beneficial as Mr. Boehner’s plan. The idea seems to be that if the House GOP refuses to raise the debt ceiling, a default crisis or gradual government shutdown will ensue, and the public will turn en masse against . . . Barack Obama. The Republican House that failed to raise the debt ceiling would somehow escape all blame. Then Democrats would have no choice but to pass a balanced-budget amendment and reform entitlements, and the tea-party Hobbits could return to Middle Earth having defeated Mordor.

This is the kind of crack political thinking that turned Sharron Angle and Christine O’Donnell into GOP Senate nominees. The reality is that the debt limit will be raised one way or another, and the only issue now is with how much fiscal reform and what political fallout.

There are a couple of problems with the WSJ’s analysis, as well as a couple of salient points.  First, the House GOP did offer to raise the debt ceiling in exchange for the Cut, Cap, and Balance Act.  Harry Reid wouldn’t even put that to a floor vote in the Senate, tabling it instead.  Boehner then proposed another smaller bill that required a vote (not passage) of a Balanced Budget Amendment, which Democrats refused.  To this moment, Democrats still haven’t put one single specific proposal on the table to raise the debt ceiling, not even in the Senate, where they control the majority. It’s true that believing that all of the blame will fall on Democrats is wishful thinking, but Republicans have offered up very specific plans that increased the debt ceiling, including the one Boehner is now reworking.

By the way, that “crack political thinking” of the Tea Party might have offered up a couple of clunker candidates, but it also produced a 63-seat swing in the House for Republicans and put people like Marco Rubio, Kelly Ayotte, and Mike Lee in the Senate.  Which is good news, because we still have a couple of old wizards from the Saruman school stuck there:

The fiery, independent version of the Republican senator from Arizona took to the floor of the Senate Wednesday morning. Demanding “straight talk,” Mr. McCain accused conservatives of abandoning reason by opposing the House Republican leader’s plan to resolve the debt crisis.

Mr. McCain mocked Tea Party-allied Republicans in the House for believing — wrongly, he said — that President Obama and Democrats will get the blame for a default if Republicans refuse to increase the nation’s debt ceiling.

By that flawed logic, “Democrats would have no choice but to pass a balanced budget amendment and reform entitlements and the Tea Party Hobbits could return to Middle Earth,” he said, quoting a Wall Street Journal editorial.

“This is the kind of crack political thinking that turned Sharron Angle and Christine O’Donnell into G.O.P. nominees,” he jeered, referring to two losing Tea Party candidates for the Senate in 2010.

Actually, maybe McCain could be better described as the Mouth of Mainstream Media, given that he seems unable to come up with his own thinking on the topic.  McCain’s thinking is pretty clear here — the One cannot be defeated, and so one must join forces with it.  Had McCain actually read the books that he references, he’d have seen how well that worked out.

By the way, just in case in you don’t recall … the hobbits win in Lord of the Rings.  They got a lot of ridicule from the elite and the powerful along the way, but they end up saving the West from ruinous destruction.

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By the way, just in case in you don’t recall … the hobbits win in Lord of the Rings. They got a lot of ridicule from the elite and the powerful along the way, but they end up saving the West from ruinous destruction.

Yep, and we’ll do it again, if necessary. Whatever Boehner does will be rejected by Reid and Failbama. Boehner needs to get out in front of this and label the problem the failbama campaign.

Failbama scuttled the deal at the last minute because a gop led solution looked bad for him and he will trash any gop plan.

dogsoldier on July 27, 2011 at 3:29 PM

bayam on July 27, 2011 at 3:09 PM
Where is the President’s plan?

Chip on July 27, 2011 at 3:14 PM

The plan, the plan

Schadenfreude on July 27, 2011 at 3:29 PM

Well well well, looks like RINO season is going to start early, to culminate in an electoral bloodbath for the GOP in 12.

Works for me. The GOP is about finished anyway. Bring it on.

james23 on July 27, 2011 at 3:30 PM

Ummm…Mordor was part of Middle Earth, not a separate place. Also, the hobbits were returning to the Shire after they destroyed the ring.

One thing that gets my goat almost as bad as misrepresenting zombie fiction/movies is people misrepresenting the LOTR.

catmman on July 27, 2011 at 3:30 PM

RINOS COMPLAIN ABOUT THE TEA PARTY …

But the very existence of the Tea Party can be attributed to the failures of the GOP from 2000 to 2006.

Darth RINO … meet your son … Luke Tea Party.

HondaV65 on July 27, 2011 at 3:30 PM

Wow, WSJ sounding awfully establishment. Who knew?

Akzed on July 27, 2011 at 3:10 PM

they are just learning form Foxnews.

unseen on July 27, 2011 at 3:30 PM

Not quite my establishment buddy — the people here are advocating for exercising the power WE DO have.

Tim_CA on July 27, 2011 at 3:28 PM

Like the Senate we don’t control? Or the Presidency we don’t have? Because those are the only things in the way of conservative governance. And some people think they’ll disappear if we scream loud enough.

KingGold on July 27, 2011 at 3:30 PM

Political elite: One does not simply walk into Mordor
Tea Party: I will go. Send me.

gwelf on July 27, 2011 at 3:30 PM

The counter argument by the WSJ that by the Tea Party not giving ground will lead to Obama’s reelection.

Is it 1994 all over again? But what’s more important? Obama’s reelection, or getting our financial house in order?

Are we to allow RINO’s like McCain, and the Socialist democraps to assign blame on the Tea Party and GOP? Because McCain is greasing those skids.

Kini on July 27, 2011 at 3:31 PM

Works for me. The GOP is about finished anyway. Bring it on.

james23 on July 27, 2011 at 3:30 PM

Me too.

Rather than elect more Rinos on the promise that they’ll do something (which they never do) – I’ll settle for working to oust every RINO out there!

HondaV65 on July 27, 2011 at 3:32 PM

DC has an addiction that is actually killing our country-spending- yet conventional wisdom is that the addiction must be fed at all costs. Why? Few voters actually want the debt to be raised. Perhaps they don’t fully realize what a 40% reduction in federal spending actually means, but there are consistent polls showing voters do not want the ceiling raised at all.

There are several cabinet-level agencies in the federal government that we could easily get along without. It would be a turbulent transition period, but so would the alternative. Unending deficits and eventual collapse, that is the direction everyone with a brain and a budget understands we are headed.

I don’t understand why people are feigning shock and surprise that Tea-Party types are doing exactly what they said they would do if they were elected. Stop Spending, deal with the consequences of that later. If Americans get upset about that and reject fiscal sanity in favor of Democrat lies, so be it. At least we’ll know that we are doomed and the only question will be how long can we keep borrowing and printing money before the entire house of cards comes down.

Mord on July 27, 2011 at 3:32 PM

Senator McCain. Even Benedict Arnold started out as a war hero.

evilned on July 27, 2011 at 3:11 PM

Ouch!

bernzright777 on July 27, 2011 at 3:33 PM

So who are the Democrats?
Gollum, clutching their “precious” government.

gwelf on July 27, 2011 at 3:33 PM

Like the Senate we don’t control? Or the Presidency we don’t have? Because those are the only things in the way of conservative governance. And some people think they’ll disappear if we scream loud enough.

KingGold on July 27, 2011 at 3:30 PM

Last time I checked oh-brilliant-as-the-sun-establishment-Repub….we control the house (in other words “the Wallet”)

You’re about as bright as your hero boner….is that where you get these moronic talking pints?

Tim_CA on July 27, 2011 at 3:33 PM

“This is the kind of crack political thinking that turned Sharron Angle and Christine O’Donnell into G.O.P. nominees,” he jeered, referring to two losing Tea Party candidates for the Senate in 2010.

Spoken by the man who thought it was crack political thinking to “suspend” his candidacy. You know, for a higher purpose.

But he can’t ascribe the same higher purpose to tea party conservatives? His fellow republicans? Those sent to Washington for the highest of purposes – to rescue our government from the failed stewardship of perennial fiscal squalor?

And “jeering” now are we, ‘my friend’? Hmm – it appears you’ve forgotten November 2010, when you groveled to those conservatives for your political life.

But those bi-annual Novembers have a way of repeating themselves. What a shame. You’re going to feel a lot lonelier in 2012 when you see how many of your RINO fraternity chums have been thinned from the herd.

You self-loathing old loser.

rrpjr on July 27, 2011 at 3:33 PM

Any reply from your email?

Cindy Munford on July 27, 2011 at 3:23 PM

Canopfor’s e-mail is down or turned off.

kingsjester on July 27, 2011 at 3:34 PM

Darth RINO … meet your son … Luke Tea Party.

HondaV65 on July 27, 2011 at 3:30 PM

Hehehehe

You know, as the day goes on I just keep thinking, boy, this reminds me of the amnesty showdown…

MeatHeadinCA on July 27, 2011 at 3:35 PM

The political elite ruling class really don’t want to give up their cocktail parties or homes in the Hamptons…

… do they?

Seven Percent Solution on July 27, 2011 at 3:35 PM

“This is the kind of crack political thinking that turned Sharron Angle and Christine O’Donnell John McCain into [a] G.O.P. nominee,” he jeered,

MTF on July 27, 2011 at 3:35 PM

This is the same tired “expert” political opinion that we hear from Krauthammer, Frum, Brooksie and all the other “conservative” pundits. And it’s basically the same crap….in order for the GOP to win it must act like Democrats. And it is total and utter bullshit advice.

angryed on July 27, 2011 at 3:35 PM

rrpjr on July 27, 2011 at 3:33 PM

The pr!ck sooooo pisses me off.

Tim_CA on July 27, 2011 at 3:36 PM

Like the Senate we don’t control? Or the Presidency we don’t have? Because those are the only things in the way of conservative governance. And some people think they’ll disappear if we scream loud enough.

KingGold on July 27, 2011 at 3:30 PM

Uhm sorry – again, you’ve been told this repeatedly – we have the POWER to tell them to pass CCB or default.

There is no debate about that. If they don’t make significant reductions – we default anyway – so it’s better to do it now than later. Though – some cowards want to “limp along” long enough to force our children to deal with it. No thanks.

HondaV65 on July 27, 2011 at 3:36 PM

The Orcs must have invaded the WSJ newsrooms.

mizflame98 on July 27, 2011 at 3:36 PM

Unfortunately, Gollum is standing in line at the Medicare office waiting for his precious Obamacare benefits to kick in so we had better hope the Tea Party Hobbits can get the debt unloaded into the fires of Mount Doom without him.

Do you think Samwise would consider kicking Frodo off the cliff once it becomes clear Frodo means to take the power and the ring all for himself?

Stay tuned.

Lily on July 27, 2011 at 3:37 PM

kingsjester on July 27, 2011 at 3:34 PM

I don’t like hearing that.

Cindy Munford on July 27, 2011 at 3:37 PM

bayam on July 27, 2011 at 3:09 PM

Where is the President’s plan?

Chip on July 27, 2011 at 3:14 PM

The plan, the plan

Schadenfreude on July 27, 2011 at 3:29 PM

Nothing can stop Bluffy the Prosperity Slayer!

Chip on July 27, 2011 at 3:37 PM

As I watch the debt ceiling fight unfold, it’s remarkable to see the gamesmanship going on both sides of the political aisle. There’s a lot of posturing, positioning and demagoguery taking place while the rest of us try to press on with our lives knowing a boulder is hanging overhead, much like the one in the Nationwide Insurance commercial. That proverbial boulder would be the $14 trillion debt monster that’s been amassed through reckless, irresponsible spending. And instead of treating this with the gravity it deserves, we get this kabuki theater of sorts. Being someone who thoroughly enjoys both games and theater, this is a time for neither.

Congressional Republicans resemble the keystone cops by presenting plans that compete with each other. Democrats have produced a lot of hot air. They’ve controlled both houses of Congress in addition to the Presidency and managed to not pass a budget in over 800 days. Leading by example is President Obama who seems to add even more dimension to the term “weakness” with each television appearance. While taking a condescendingly professorial tone, he blamed Congress for running up the “credit card”, offered no plan of his own AND threatened to veto any budget plan that came to his desk which contained a short-term raising of the debt limit. If there was ever a time to exhibit leadership, it’s now. But ever the class-warmonger, he’s been spending considerable time making the case that if we would just pin higher taxes on corporate jet owners and hedge fund managers, we could pull out of this financial mess we’re in. He manages to say all of this with a straight face while NEVER addressing the fact that almost 50% of Americans don’t pay taxes. It’s odd because I remember him saying something about shared sacrifice. Hmm.

If there was ever an example that showed the desperate need for principled leadership, this is it. We have a lot of unserious wannabe adults playing games during a time that requires someone with a steady hand and the ability to lead the discussion in a way that builds consensus. The answer to our debt problem isn’t safely locked away in the brain of some ivory tower elite or entrenched career politician, neither of which has much to do with the real world that the rest of us inhabit. Answers to problems like this are meted out in very common places…like the kitchen table. Whatever resolution is hashed out between the President and Congress will have less to do with what’s truly good for the American people and more to do with political calculus. Given the nature of the very people in charge of coming up with the solution to a problem of this magnitude, how could we reasonably expect otherwise?

unseen on July 27, 2011 at 3:38 PM

Mr. McCain mocked Tea Party-allied Republicans in the House for believing — wrongly, he said — that President Obama and Democrats will get the blame for a default if Republicans refuse to increase the nation’s debt ceiling.

See, these guys just don’t get it. They are still looking at it as a political problem instead of a real world, nuts and bolts problem with severe repercussions for generations to come.

The national debt problem is not about who gets the blame for this, that or the other. It’s about fixing what is broken.

And what is broken is a government that SPENDS TOO DAMN MUCH OF OUR MONEY!!!!!!

ButterflyDragon on July 27, 2011 at 3:38 PM

You know, as the day goes on I just keep thinking, boy, this reminds me of the amnesty showdown…

MeatHeadinCA on July 27, 2011 at 3:35 PM

This debate is two notches above Amnesty and Obamacare.

It’s that important.

AUH2O on July 27, 2011 at 3:39 PM

The Tea Party is not Congress, maybe some one should tell Congress this fact.

mixplix on July 27, 2011 at 3:39 PM

Political elite: One does not simply walk into Mordor
Tea Party: I will go. Send me.

gwelf on July 27, 2011 at 3:30 PM

Good one.

INC on July 27, 2011 at 3:39 PM

I think what makes me laugh the hardest, well, that and the thought of John McCain running around the senate with a bottle of lube in one hand and a white flag in the other, is the fact that the tea party was created partly to stop out of control spending….and the maverick was always a budget hawk. But now, with the chance to be the media darling again, to have his dance card full of lovings, he is going against the very people that advocate what he was always advocated…minus the amnesty, cap and trade, campaign finance debacle, his huge daughter….etc…

HornetSting on July 27, 2011 at 3:40 PM

anyone doubt that the gop establishment would have given up the ring in the hopes that the eye wasn’t directed at them?

unseen on July 27, 2011 at 3:40 PM

I have to assume that Sen. McCain has decided this is his last term.

Cindy Munford on July 27, 2011 at 3:40 PM

Sen. McCain talked about how our interest rates would go up if the debt limit isn’t increased.

Really.

Odd how the Fed’s interest rates have been rock-bottom for quite sometime, yet We the People have been getting stiffed with usurious interest rates for years and years now.

Scumsuckers all.

Dr. ZhivBlago on July 27, 2011 at 3:41 PM

Uhm sorry – again, you’ve been told this repeatedly – we have the POWER to tell them to pass CCB or default.

HondaV65 on July 27, 2011 at 3:36 PM

It’s been just as false now as every other time someone asserted it without proof.

Tell me, since the media’s stacked against us, who gets blamed if we default? Dingy Harry and the God-King, or John Boehner? (Hint: it’s not the guys with “D” after their name.)

KingGold on July 27, 2011 at 3:42 PM

Like the Senate we don’t control? Or the Presidency we don’t have? Because those are the only things in the way of conservative governance.

KingGold on July 27, 2011 at 3:30 PM

Maybe it is time to repeal the 17th Amendment and return to politics the way the founders originally intended…

equanimous on July 27, 2011 at 3:44 PM

And what is broken is a government that SPENDS TOO DAMN MUCH OF OUR MONEY!!!!!!

ButterflyDragon on July 27, 2011 at 3:38 PM

It’s worse than that. They’ve already spent our money and our children’s money. They’re working on our grandkids+ money now.

gwelf on July 27, 2011 at 3:44 PM

You know, as the day goes on I just keep thinking, boy, this reminds me of the amnesty showdown…

MeatHeadinCA on July 27, 2011 at 3:35 PM
This debate is two notches above Amnesty and Obamacare.

It’s that important.

AUH2O on July 27, 2011 at 3:39 PM

Actually, I would say the go hand in hand…with amnesty, you have lawbreakers partaking in:
Welfare
Subsidized housing/including subprime housing loans (hint)
Free healthcare
Food stamps
Over populated schools and prisons
THAT adds to the governments bottom line times about 40 million….you get THAT leech contigency out of the way, you have a lot more money for the American people to save in taxes and debt. Not to mention a lot of money that the government doesn’t need to bail out the states….
Then, we have obamacare…..yeah…all equally important.

HornetSting on July 27, 2011 at 3:44 PM

Of course the GOP will take more blame- over 70% of Americans support higher taxes on the wealthy, with or without the nation’s solvency at risk.

bayam on July 27, 2011 at 3:09 PM

You seem pretty selective in your evaluation of “who will be held responsible.”
You also continue to ignore that even CNN polling shows that a large majority of Americans support the CCB and Balanced Budget Amendment.

Pretty much every poll out there shows Obama taking a beating right now Bayam.Obama is polling terribly in swing states and on the issues that Americans are worried about like the economy.

But if you are so he!! bent on Washington letting the polls dictate policy.

Then we need to be out of Libya since a large majority of Americans don’t support Obama’s war there…..

…Obamacare needs to be overturned since the majority of Americans think it’s a bad bill…..

………We need our southern border secured since a large majority of Americans support it…..

……….No Mosque at ground zero since a majority of Americans are against it…..

…Obama needs to stop his “cap and trade” regulations he is implementing through the EPA since a large majority of Americans are against it.

……Obama needs to admit the failure of the stimulus since a large majority of Americans say it failed…

…and a majority of Americans disapprove of Obama and the job he is doing….seems it you want to go with the polls and the will of the people….then you should admit and demand that Obama should go.

….but liberals like Bayam only support the “will of the people” when it suits them….so they should just be ignored.

Baxter Greene on July 27, 2011 at 3:44 PM

Li’l bammie’s in the process of shedding every indie, blue dog (what’s left), female, white AND minority constituent who has a semi-fiscal bone in their body.

We should be holding firm….we should be differentiating ourselves from tax and spend Libs. We should be rewarding those who gave us a clear mandate in the mid-terms.

This is not the time to go small…..this is not the time to be a squish.

Look at the polls…..jug-ears is wounded…….we need to stick to our fiscal guns and give the people a clear choice in ’12.

Tim_CA on July 27, 2011 at 3:44 PM

So what we have here is a battle between the hobbits and the keystone cops for control of the Party. My money is on the hobbits

unseen on July 27, 2011 at 3:44 PM

WSJ might get a clue, the Hobbits won.

So how many Smeagol’s do we have here?

I say we start at the top.

Speakup on July 27, 2011 at 3:44 PM

Behold, the return of TAFKAM. Since we know McCain is the perfect reverse barometer, it is now absolutely clear the GOP should do the exact opposite of what McCain wants.

JimP on July 27, 2011 at 3:44 PM

Senator McCain. Even Benedict Arnold started out as a war hero.

evilned on July 27, 2011 at 3:11 PM

Ouch!

bernzright777 on July 27, 2011 at 3:33 PM

“My friends…”

Seven Percent Solution on July 27, 2011 at 3:45 PM

The people at the Wall Street Journal are worried that their cash cow, that is supported by the Federal government largess, will NOT be FED!

Freddy on July 27, 2011 at 3:46 PM

the gop elite do not deserve to lead the most powerful nation on earth. they have no concept of projecting power and no concept of leadership.

unseen on July 27, 2011 at 3:46 PM

One thing that’s so foolish of the WSJ and McCain is that obviously this is the kind of analogy that gets people fired up.

Insults didn’t bring people in line during the amnesty horror show.

They’re casting themselves as Denethor who’s mind has been overthrown by gazing into the Palantir.

INC on July 27, 2011 at 3:47 PM

It’s been just as false now as every other time someone asserted it without proof.

Tell me, since the media’s stacked against us, who gets blamed if we default? Dingy Harry and the God-King, or John Boehner? (Hint: it’s not the guys with “D” after their name.)

KingGold on July 27, 2011 at 3:42 PM

Who the hell CARES who gets BLAMED?

Just say no to raising the debt ceiling. If you’re always worried about who gets blamed, nothing will ever improve.

AUH2O on July 27, 2011 at 3:47 PM

Great, the Establishment has sent out their Nazgul to get their ring back.

Daemonocracy on July 27, 2011 at 3:48 PM

If the country can survive the crisis after crisis attacks by Obama, conservatives should be ready to take another step towards the flushing of GOP establishmnet/RINOs from their ranks. Once again McCain is demonstrating why he was so soundly defeated by the most incompetent and corrupt buffoon to ever run for president. He and his lapdog, Lindsey Graham, are a disgrace to to their constituents and removed all doubt they are unfit to lead.

volsense on July 27, 2011 at 3:49 PM

It’s the spending stupid.

unseen on July 27, 2011 at 3:49 PM

By the way, that “crack political thinking” of the Tea Party might have offered up a couple of clunker candidates, but it also produced a 63-seat swing in the House for Republicans and put people like Marco Rubio, Kelly Ayotte, and Mike Lee in the Senate.

For once I have to disagree with you, Ed. Many of us who opposed O’Donnell and Angle were just as excited to support Rubio, Lee, and Ayotte. The debate was always about getting the most conservative candidate who could win in those battles. Rubio, Ayotte, and Lee clearly could. Angle and O’Donnell couldn’t. And those who realized this were right.

The only thing wrong with the WSJ’s analysis is that they blame the tea party as a whole for the fringe nuts who think that the GOP can escape blame for a degraded credit rating if they don’t pass some kind of debt ceiling hike. I assure you, the vast majority of tea partiers understand the need for strategic action here.

We just want to make sure any agreement to raise the debt ceiling comes with spending cuts, and no hikes in tax rates. If Boehner’s bill accomplishes that, then good. If it ensures that Republicans aren’t the fall guys if/when the ratings houses downgrade U.S. bonds, then so much the better.

This is about not letting Obama have any excuses. This is about refusing to give the media an easy way to demonize conservatives. Obama wants to veto the Boehner bill and take a default? Let him own it.

Caiwyn on July 27, 2011 at 3:50 PM

Who the hell CARES who gets BLAMED?

Just say no to raising the debt ceiling. If you’re always worried about who gets blamed, nothing will ever improve.

AUH2O on July 27, 2011 at 3:47 PM

You’re wasting your breath….Lazy establishment Repubs are half of the reason we have a $14T+ problem…..they’r ecowards.

Tim_CA on July 27, 2011 at 3:50 PM

I didn’t know Wormtooth was writing for WSJ?

Kini on July 27, 2011 at 3:50 PM

The Obama-Nonplan

Schadenfreude on July 27, 2011 at 3:50 PM

they’re cowards.

not sure what an ecoward is.

Tim_CA on July 27, 2011 at 3:51 PM

Anyone know how much medicare part D and NCLB are adding to the debt?

unseen on July 27, 2011 at 3:51 PM

Actually, I would say the go hand in hand…with amnesty, you have lawbreakers partaking in:
Welfare
Subsidized housing/including subprime housing loans (hint)
Free healthcare
Food stamps
Over populated schools and prisons
THAT adds to the governments bottom line times about 40 million….you get THAT leech contigency out of the way, you have a lot more money for the American people to save in taxes and debt. Not to mention a lot of money that the government doesn’t need to bail out the states….
Then, we have obamacare…..yeah…all equally important.

HornetSting on July 27, 2011 at 3:44 PM

Goes deeper than that. Ever hear these statistics every so often about how illegal drugs cost us $x billion a year, shoplifting $y billion a year, employee theft $z billion a year…the multi-million Ponzi schemes, drunk driving, embezzlement, cheating on taxes, carelessness, frivolous lawsuits, malpractice, leeches (lawyers) and on and on and on.

Not only is our federal government leaking zillions of dollars every year, but also the private sector. We’re a wealthy nation, but we never were nor could be infinitely wealthy.

Just too much greed, mismanagement, and assorted BS from a substantial portion of our citizenry.

Dr. ZhivBlago on July 27, 2011 at 3:52 PM

“I wish the ring debt ceiling fight had never come to me…”

catmman on July 27, 2011 at 3:53 PM

Sen. McCain talked about how our interest rates would go up if the debt limit isn’t increased.

Really.

Dr. ZhivBlago on July 27, 2011 at 3:41 PM

Just remember ole Juan himself said he wasn’t any good at economics.
But we should all hang on his every word about this here debt ceiling thing, doncha know.

VelvetElvis on July 27, 2011 at 3:53 PM

the hobbits seem pis@ed

Tea Party leader: Boehner must go

Tea Party Nation leader Judson Phillips called on House Speaker John Boehner “to go” and be replaced by a “Tea Party Speaker of the House” in a blog post Wednesday morning, the same day that Jenny Beth Martin, co-founder of the Tea Party Patriots, said that her group was looking into the same idea.

“Now Boehner is in the process of surrendering again. He is surrendering not to [President] Obama, but to the status quo in Washington,” Phillips wrote. “The House passed Cut, Cap and Balance, which would cut $111 billion from the budget. It would cap spending and set a good course for the future.”

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/173795-tea-party-leader-calls-for-boehner-to-step-down

unseen on July 27, 2011 at 3:55 PM

I voted “None of the Above” on McCain’s last election. I wish that old turd would go down the toilet already.

E L Frederick (Sniper One) on July 27, 2011 at 3:55 PM

Mike Castle 2012

Don’t worry, we will get rid of him in the following election.

Bishop on July 27, 2011 at 3:56 PM

Its the Snobbits vs the Hobbits.

I’ll go with the guys who know how to get rid of tyrannical power not the ones criticizing them for doing something, thanks.

ajacksonian on July 27, 2011 at 3:57 PM

KingGold on July 27, 2011 at 3:42 PM

So you don’t really care about the outcome, just what the neighbors think?

Cindy Munford on July 27, 2011 at 3:58 PM

It’s been just as false now as every other time someone asserted it without proof.

Tell me, since the media’s stacked against us, who gets blamed if we default? Dingy Harry and the God-King, or John Boehner? (Hint: it’s not the guys with “D” after their name.)

KingGold on July 27, 2011 at 3:42 PM

I have a newsflash, no matter what happens, the press is going to blame us. No matter what, so there is no reason NOT to do the right thing and stand firm.

Tim Zank on July 27, 2011 at 4:00 PM

Just remember ole Juan himself said he wasn’t any good at economics.
But we should all hang on his every word about this here debt ceiling thing, doncha know.

VelvetElvis on July 27, 2011 at 3:53 PM

Yeah, too bad he didn’t the Ron Paul gene going on in that area. At least McCain wouldn’t have gone on a World Apology Tour like Dear Leader if he were elected, and he chose Palin as his running mate so I have no regrets about voting for ‘im.

Dr. ZhivBlago on July 27, 2011 at 4:03 PM

By the way, just in case in you don’t recall … the hobbits win in Lord of the Rings. They got a lot of ridicule from the elite and the powerful along the way, but they end up saving the West from ruinous destruction.

Yes.

Of course, though, that was a fantasy book.

This is reality. If anyone thinks that the DeMint scorched America earth strategy will accomplish an electorate totally enamored with the Tea Party, they need a good clinical evaluation, ASAP.

I’m not a fan of the Boehner plan, but he’s right in the sense that the closer we get to the deadline, the less leverage Republicans will have.

Vyce on July 27, 2011 at 4:05 PM

Then Democrats would have no choice but to pass a balanced-budget amendment and reform entitlements, and the tea-party Hobbits could return to Middle Earth having defeated Mordor</strong>.

While you hit up about the Hobbies and their analogies, you forgot to do the same with Mordor and who they are. :-)

JeffinSac on July 27, 2011 at 4:06 PM

Well, the Republican establishment is in full-protect mode with the highest fear factor level.

You know, Boehner and Cantor road into power on the backs of the Tea Party. If they do not honor the mandate they inherited by virtue of the leadership positions they held in Congress before the election, the Tea Party will work tirelessly to replace every single member of Congress who betrayed their trust; and/or abandon the Republican party and it will essentially implode. This is just a reality.

The Tea Party is not playing around here. These people are serious, focused, and will not yield. Boehner better get on board before it’s too late for the party, and the country.

SheetAnchor on July 27, 2011 at 4:10 PM

The GOP Elite are sounding mighty ungrateful. It may be necessary to remind them as to how they received their powerful positions on November 6, 2012.

kingsjester on July 27, 2011 at 4:12 PM

JeffinSac on July 27, 2011 at 4:06 PM

Sauron is kind of obvious. Can’t you just see the Dark Tower with the Obama logo between the two horns?

txmomof6 hit upon Carney as the Mouth of Sauron in another thread.

I vote for Reid, Schumer, Pelosi and a few others as the Nazgûl.

INC on July 27, 2011 at 4:15 PM

VelvetElvis on July 27, 2011 at 3:53 PM
Yeah, too bad he didn’t the Ron Paul gene going on in that area. At least McCain wouldn’t have gone on a World Apology Tour like Dear Leader if he were elected, and he chose Palin as his running mate so I have no regrets about voting for ‘im.

Dr. ZhivBlago on July 27, 2011 at 4:03 PM

Yes, but who needs Chuck Schumer, Harry Reid, or Nancy Pelosi to assault your party when you have ol’ Maverick.
He’s going to bend over the chair and call it statemanship. Count it.

HornetSting on July 27, 2011 at 4:15 PM

I have to assume that Sen. McCain has decided this is his last term.

Cindy Munford on July 27, 2011 at 3:40 PM

If he had any decency, the last one would have been his last term.

Schadenfreude on July 27, 2011 at 4:15 PM

The Tea Party is not playing around here. These people are serious, focused, and will not yield. Boehner better get on board before it’s too late for the party, and the country.

SheetAnchor on July 27, 2011 at 4:10 PM

I’ll say this – as a Tea Party member … after the elections WE DID lose focus but …

This whole GOP betrayal has refocused us.

You cannot save the nation without a political party that has the will to do so. Since that party could never be the Democratic party – it’s going to be the GOP. We’re focusing NOW on with our eyes on GOP RINOS – and this will be done with a vengeance.

At my level – we’re already coordinating letter-writing and call your congressman drives with one message … “tell them to openly rev0lt” against GOP leadership. This leadership has to be buried. We can do it now – and then focus on defeating Obama in 2012 … or we can not do it now and focus on defeating RINOS in 2012. Either way is acceptable to me – but in either scenario – the RINO’s go!

HondaV65 on July 27, 2011 at 4:17 PM

Well that simplifies it for me… I’m voting for Frodo!

OnlyOrange on July 27, 2011 at 4:18 PM

I’m not a fan of the Boehner plan, but he’s right in the sense that the closer we get to the deadline, the less leverage Republicans will have.

Vyce on July 27, 2011 at 4:05 PM

We never had any “leverage” with a guy like Boehner negotiating for us.

Look – when Dirty Harry said “Make my Day” … he didn’t blink. He didn’t cry about being forced into a corner – he said it with a straight face and was BELIEVABLE. You make a move on him and he’d gladly shoot your head off.

When Boehner says “Make My Day” … he blinks, he cries … he comes back again for the next meeting.

Guy passed CCB a week ago – he should have done it a month ago and ..

He should have gone home after he did it.

“Make My Day Dims – pass CCB or Default”

There’s the options.

We never had a leader – just a spineless worm.

That has a tan and smokes.

HondaV65 on July 27, 2011 at 4:21 PM

Regardless, this makes perfect sense..I’ve always thought Harry Reid has a scary resemblence to that Gollum guy. He even speaks like him.
McCain is one of the less known hobbits that tries to lead, but ends up being used as a hobbit blow up doll, just like in the senate.

HornetSting on July 27, 2011 at 4:25 PM

No to Boehner’s bill.

If we pass a bill in the house, Reid will pass his bill in the Senate and they’ll use reconciliation to basically send Reid’s bill to Obama.

No thanks.

AUH2O on July 27, 2011 at 4:25 PM

So we’re the hobbits? Cool!

Let’s scour the Shire.

Mary in LA on July 27, 2011 at 4:32 PM

It is helpful to me for McCain to mouth off now, just to remind me how awful he is, how much progress we made in 2010, and how much more we need to accomplish in 2012.

GaltBlvnAtty on July 27, 2011 at 4:33 PM

Well that simplifies it for me… I’m voting for Frodo!

OnlyOrange on July 27, 2011 at 4:18 PM

Frodo Baggins/Samwise Gamgee 2012

Brat on July 27, 2011 at 4:34 PM

McCain needs to go back to his comfortable, luxurious little world and stay the hell out of the way.

rplat on July 27, 2011 at 4:35 PM

Make My Day Dims – pass CCB or Default”
There’s the options.
We never had a leader – just a spineless worm.
That has a tan and smokes.

HondaV65 on July 27, 2011 at 4:21 PM

Pass CCB or default. I get it. But……

If they choose default, what next?

MississippiMom on July 27, 2011 at 4:36 PM

So Reid says Boehner’s plan is dead on arrival. Reid will substitute his plan for Boehner’s, pass it in the Senate, send it to the House; and the House Republicans cave on Reid’s plan. And then the Republicans will tell us after we go to $17 trillion in debt that we will now cut spending. And that is a strategy? Folks, if the Republicans cannot hold the line now, when will they?

SheetAnchor on July 27, 2011 at 4:37 PM

So now even the Wall Street Journal is reduced to calling fiscally responsible people cranks. Guess that is really going to help their subscription rate. Jackasses.

paulsur on July 27, 2011 at 4:41 PM

not sure what an ecoward is.

Tim_CA on July 27, 2011 at 3:51 PM

Small creatures who live in your computer. They steal beer in the middle of the night while you are sleeping.

katy the mean old lady on July 27, 2011 at 4:42 PM

Mr. McCain mocked Tea Party-allied Republicans in the House for believing — wrongly, he said — that President Obama and Democrats will get the blame for a default if Republicans refuse to increase the nation’s debt ceiling.

The execrable McCain is basically right here.

McCain’s thinking is pretty clear here — the One cannot be defeated, and so one must join forces with it.

McCain is Saruman.

aengus on July 27, 2011 at 4:43 PM

Pass CCB or default. I get it. But……

If they choose default, what next?

MississippiMom on July 27, 2011 at 4:36 PM

If they choose default, let Obama explain; after all he is the President. Republicans can simply reiterate all the bills that have passed the House, and that the Senate has failed to act. Balls in their court while things begin to unravel. This is a better alternative than continuing to kick the can down the road to bankruptcy. It is amazing to me how Republicans in the House are so, so afraid; and the Dems know it. This is why the Dems are succeeding in destroying America. They know Republicans are so afraid. Even Allen West has caved, along with Ryan.

SheetAnchor on July 27, 2011 at 4:45 PM

paulsur on July 27, 2011 at 4:41 PM

I agree, so dumb. Can you imagine the emails the “The Journal Report” will get? I wonder if they will address it on the show Saturday.

Cindy Munford on July 27, 2011 at 4:45 PM

By the way, just in case in you don’t recall … the hobbits win in Lord of the Rings.  They got a lot of ridicule from the elite and the powerful along the way, but they end up saving the West from ruinous destruction.

I think the point is to label it as fantasy, not comment on the content of the story.

Count to 10 on July 27, 2011 at 4:48 PM

So what do you all think about Allen West now? He caved; and he was elected by the Tea Party.

SheetAnchor on July 27, 2011 at 4:49 PM

Palin to Keynote Tea Party Rally in Iowa

Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin has accepted an invitation to keynote a Tea Party rally in Waukee, Iowa, on Sept. 3, RealClearPolitics has learned.

The Labor Day weekend visit to the nation’s first voting state comes after Palin indicated during an appearance on Fox News earlier this month that she would make her decision about whether to launch a campaign in August or September.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2011/07/27/palin_to_keynote_tea_party_rally_in_iowa_110734.html

Viator on July 27, 2011 at 4:50 PM

So we’re the hobbits? Cool!

Let’s scour the Shire.

Mary in LA on July 27, 2011 at 4:32 PM

Coming soon to a November near you in 2012.

INC on July 27, 2011 at 4:50 PM

John “Wormtongue” McCain apparently forgot that he lost the last Presidential election, such is his political acumen.

The WSJ seems to see itself as the Numenorean Rulers, so superior to the Hobbits, who were scarcely noticed by that high and haughty race. Remember that the Lord of the Rings, the one ring to rule them all, could not be entrusted to any of the other races in Middle Earth because they were too tempted by its power, which is why it was left to Frodo to destroy it.

Our Ring is the power of the government to spend money it doesn’t have. It should be destroyed as well. Don’t stop at refusing to raise the debt ceiling; lower it until it no longer exists. The only excuse for borrowing should be a declared war.

flataffect on July 27, 2011 at 4:52 PM

SheetAnchor on July 27, 2011 at 4:49 PM

I don’t think too many people judge people on single actions but the totality of their actions. He has a lot of capital in the bank. I am sure he would appreciate your concern.

Cindy Munford on July 27, 2011 at 4:54 PM

Check a few financial sites. Here’s what you will find in addition to retail recession.

New layoffs
Tech selloff
New bankruptcies
Poor earnings
Weak consumer spending
Slow growth rate
Tight credit

Obama knows the economy is headed for a double dip and is trying to set the Republicans up to take the fall. He has already told the American people we will have an economic crisis if he doesn’t get the debt ceiling increase he wants.

If the Republicans don’t handle the debt limit crisis properly, Obama will tie the Republicans to the failing economy. Going into the 2012 elections, I hope the Republicans are good enough politicians to shove it in Obama’s face.

huckleberryfriend on July 27, 2011 at 4:55 PM

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