WSJ: Tea Party “hobbits” need to go back to Middle Earth, or something

posted at 2:49 pm on July 27, 2011 by Ed Morrissey

BARAD-DUR, MORDOR (HA) — The Wall Street Journal offered this, er, interesting assessment of Tea Party opposition to the John Boehner plan:

But what none of these critics have is an alternative strategy for achieving anything nearly as fiscally or politically beneficial as Mr. Boehner’s plan. The idea seems to be that if the House GOP refuses to raise the debt ceiling, a default crisis or gradual government shutdown will ensue, and the public will turn en masse against . . . Barack Obama. The Republican House that failed to raise the debt ceiling would somehow escape all blame. Then Democrats would have no choice but to pass a balanced-budget amendment and reform entitlements, and the tea-party Hobbits could return to Middle Earth having defeated Mordor.

This is the kind of crack political thinking that turned Sharron Angle and Christine O’Donnell into GOP Senate nominees. The reality is that the debt limit will be raised one way or another, and the only issue now is with how much fiscal reform and what political fallout.

There are a couple of problems with the WSJ’s analysis, as well as a couple of salient points.  First, the House GOP did offer to raise the debt ceiling in exchange for the Cut, Cap, and Balance Act.  Harry Reid wouldn’t even put that to a floor vote in the Senate, tabling it instead.  Boehner then proposed another smaller bill that required a vote (not passage) of a Balanced Budget Amendment, which Democrats refused.  To this moment, Democrats still haven’t put one single specific proposal on the table to raise the debt ceiling, not even in the Senate, where they control the majority. It’s true that believing that all of the blame will fall on Democrats is wishful thinking, but Republicans have offered up very specific plans that increased the debt ceiling, including the one Boehner is now reworking.

By the way, that “crack political thinking” of the Tea Party might have offered up a couple of clunker candidates, but it also produced a 63-seat swing in the House for Republicans and put people like Marco Rubio, Kelly Ayotte, and Mike Lee in the Senate.  Which is good news, because we still have a couple of old wizards from the Saruman school stuck there:

The fiery, independent version of the Republican senator from Arizona took to the floor of the Senate Wednesday morning. Demanding “straight talk,” Mr. McCain accused conservatives of abandoning reason by opposing the House Republican leader’s plan to resolve the debt crisis.

Mr. McCain mocked Tea Party-allied Republicans in the House for believing — wrongly, he said — that President Obama and Democrats will get the blame for a default if Republicans refuse to increase the nation’s debt ceiling.

By that flawed logic, “Democrats would have no choice but to pass a balanced budget amendment and reform entitlements and the Tea Party Hobbits could return to Middle Earth,” he said, quoting a Wall Street Journal editorial.

“This is the kind of crack political thinking that turned Sharron Angle and Christine O’Donnell into G.O.P. nominees,” he jeered, referring to two losing Tea Party candidates for the Senate in 2010.

Actually, maybe McCain could be better described as the Mouth of Mainstream Media, given that he seems unable to come up with his own thinking on the topic.  McCain’s thinking is pretty clear here — the One cannot be defeated, and so one must join forces with it.  Had McCain actually read the books that he references, he’d have seen how well that worked out.

By the way, just in case in you don’t recall … the hobbits win in Lord of the Rings.  They got a lot of ridicule from the elite and the powerful along the way, but they end up saving the West from ruinous destruction.

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“I can see Mount Doom from my house!”

Brat on July 27, 2011 at 4:57 PM

Since 2000, US GDP has grown just over 40%.

At the same time, US debt has grown 140%.

By 2020, the US debt is projected to reach upwards of $24 TRILLION…and annual interest payments alone – not priniciple, JUST INTEREST – are projected to reach $800 billion. And currently, over 47% of tax filers are exempted from helping to pay that debt back, since they pay NOTHING in income taxes each year.

And how much “savings” is projected to arise from ANY plan currently being talked about? About $1 trillion….so instead of being $24 trillion in debt in 2020, we’ll just be $23 trillion in debt.

And yet, according to our “expert” class, the SANE one’s are those who are knowingly advocating for this future…and the INSANE one’s are those who are trying to stop it.

The US is the linch-pin of the world’s economic system, and we are careening towards the abyss.

I honestly cannot imagine the reckoning that is coming for EVERYONE.


“A time will come when the whole world will go mad. And to anyone who is not mad they will say: ‘You are mad, for you are not like us.’”
St. Anthony the Great

rvastar on July 27, 2011 at 4:58 PM

They know Republicans are so afraid. Even Allen West has caved, along with Ryan.

SheetAnchor on July 27, 2011 at 4:45 PM

I honestly believe that history has taught them to be afraid. After the GOP gained power under Clinton, they pushed it to the brink. It was Clinton who used his veto to shut down the government, the GOP got the blame, and Clinton got 4 more years.

Think about it. Obama has yet to put out anything on paper, and the blame, both in the media AND WITHIN THE PARTY ITSELF, is already being put on the GOP.

Just read the comments here. I understand getting frustrated with things not happening fast enough or being exactly what I want. But I am not willing to throw 2012 to the Dems just so we can make a futile stand now.

I would rather see a small deal now with better chances of winning all three branches in 2012 (where real things can happen) than taking a stand now, pushing to default, and having the voters blame conservatives.

Maybe I’m wrong; maybe I am too timid and this is the time to say ENOUGH. My heart says that, but my head keeps repeating: 2012-2012-2012-2012 Don’t blow it.

MississippiMom on July 27, 2011 at 5:00 PM

“This is the kind of crack political thinking that turned Sharron Angle and Christine O’Donnell into G.O.P. nominees,” (John McCain) jeered, referring to two losing Tea Party candidates for the Senate in 2010.

And by now, most of us are familiar with the McCain flotilla accusing anyone who doesn’t show loyalty to McCain of “using crack”.

He really does represent a very emibittered and “unbalanced” perspective and attracts the same.

I do recognize some who rail away on Boehner for his “Plan” but there’s a constructive way to point that out and hopefully encourage them to support the GOP and then there’s the psychotic, nasty way that McCain so often uses. I learned all I ever want to know about McCain (and his “associates”) last election and it was not good.

Lourdes on July 27, 2011 at 5:00 PM

Going into the 2012 elections, I hope the Republicans are good enough politicians to shove it in Obama’s face.

huckleberryfriend on July 27, 2011 at 4:55 PM

They’re not smart and will squander the people’s trus.

Also, not his face…

Schadenfreude on July 27, 2011 at 5:02 PM

The tea party will be around long after McCain is gone and forgotten about.

zoyclem on July 27, 2011 at 5:02 PM

Wall Street Cares about Profit only.

They don’t care the nation is about to go under from debt.

HondaV65 on July 27, 2011 at 2:54 PM

And Wall Street comprised a huge supporter block for the election of Obama, so that should tell anyone all they need to know about the financial industries, and that includes the monstrous Trial Lawyers.

Lourdes on July 27, 2011 at 5:02 PM

We have a 1,600 billion dollars deficit just this year. In 10 years that will become a 16,000 billion deficit added to our old deficit of 14,000 billion. Or, in other words, a 30,000 billion dollar deficit in ten years. And the best that the House Republicans can do is come up with a plan that cuts 1 billion from the deficit this year, which is not even big enough to be called a rounding error and 1,000 billion from the total 30,000 billion in ten years, which is 3%, and they think there is some reason to be proud? And McCain thinks being dissatisfied with such scrapes is a sign of extremism? Good Lord, what planet was he born on?

Fred 2 on July 27, 2011 at 5:03 PM

rvastar on July 27, 2011 at 4:58 PM

Since 1998 the U.S. has paid out over $8 trillion in interest on our debt.

As far as the reckoning, some of us are taking steps to prepare.

Bishop on July 27, 2011 at 5:04 PM

‘F*** JOHN McCAIN!’ : The Other McCain

…from among the Trackbacks here ^^, well worth reading (not that the other Trackbacks aren’t).

Lourdes on July 27, 2011 at 5:04 PM

Uh….1988, not 98. >_<

Bishop on July 27, 2011 at 5:05 PM

Maybe, like the Elves, we should just leave and sail away.

flataffect on July 27, 2011 at 5:05 PM

We have a 1,600 billion dollars deficit just this year. In 10 years that will become a 16,000 billion deficit added to our old deficit of 14,000 billion. Or, in other words, a 30,000 billion dollar deficit in ten years. And the best that the House Republicans can do is come up with a plan that cuts 1 billion from the deficit this year, which is not even big enough to be called a rounding error and 1,000 billion from the total 30,000 billion in ten years, which is 3%, and they think there is some reason to be proud? And McCain thinks being dissatisfied with such scrapes is a sign of extremism? Good Lord, what planet was he born on?

Fred 2 on July 27, 2011 at 5:03 PM

All the complaints accomplish improvements by the House GOP so I see the glass as half-full, not empty entirely as McCain does.

Lourdes on July 27, 2011 at 5:06 PM

The Huffington Compost said “negotiating with terrorists on the right”; the WSJ said same, in different words.

Make them all implode.

Schadenfreude on July 27, 2011 at 2:55 PM

Interestingly…They’re all Leftwingers who are loud pushers of amnesty for illegal aliens if not “open borders” to accommodate them and more. So is John Mccain. And Harry Reid. Hmmmm….

Lourdes on July 27, 2011 at 5:09 PM

Wall Street Cares about Profit only.

They don’t care the nation is about to go under from debt.

HondaV65 on July 27, 2011 at 2:54 PM

Wall Street is not wired to “care,” and it is a mistake to imagine that it does or should.

Wall Street is best compared to a shark. It must keep moving and it must keep eating. It doesn’t think about the future.

It’s not necessarily bad, but more importantly, it’s not and shouldn’t be viewed as a reliable long term economic indicator.

Missy on July 27, 2011 at 5:09 PM

Obama knows the economy is headed for a double dip and is trying to set the Republicans up to take the fall. He has already told the American people we will have an economic crisis if he doesn’t get the debt ceiling increase he wants.

If the Republicans don’t handle the debt limit crisis properly, Obama will tie the Republicans to the failing economy. Going into the 2012 elections, I hope the Republicans are good enough politicians to shove it in Obama’s face.

huckleberryfriend on July 27, 2011 at 4:55 PM

Yep. Everything Obama is saying now is to try to pass the blame for the faltering economy to the Republicans.

For one reason. It’s getting harder to blame Bush.

didymus on July 27, 2011 at 5:13 PM

Figured McCain would hose us. That was a given.
But I need to know what McChubette thinks.

400lb Gorilla on July 27, 2011 at 5:15 PM

LOL McCain … glad he was defeated now. I mean – Obama is bad enough – but at least nothing he does can be blamed on the GOP!

HondaV65 on July 27, 2011 at 2:55 PM

Yes, agreed.

I still do maintain that the purpose of the McCain nomination was to elect Barack Obama.

Lourdes on July 27, 2011 at 5:25 PM

McCain and Reid are cut from the same cloth… and it’s frayed way past it’s usefulness. They need to go out with the dirty rags.

ultracon on July 27, 2011 at 5:27 PM

Its the Snobbits vs the Hobbits.

ajacksonian on July 27, 2011 at 3:57 PM

I’ll wear my furry feet proudly.

Game on!

Fallon on July 27, 2011 at 5:31 PM

I still do maintain that the purpose of the McCain nomination was to elect Barack Obama.

Lourdes on July 27, 2011 at 5:25 PM

And your nemesis almost dragged his sorry butt over the finish line. Weird, huh? She must be stopped…

Fallon on July 27, 2011 at 5:34 PM

Don’t know why people keep thinking the 94 shutdown led to a victory in 1996. Where I was at during that time, I only had access to VOA & NPR, occasionally CNN. The facts as laid out were fairly neutral. If you were progressive you supported Slick. If gop, you supported Newt.

The reason we lost was that the GOP offered creaky old Dole. Who gives a rip if he was a war hero and that it was his turn? That was the reason Slick got a second term. Surveying the scene, I said this country deserves whatever they get coming to them and sent my absentee vote for nutty Perot. No way was I going to validate the old fart RINO who would only promise to be a gop version of Clinton. In that case, why shouldn’t the USA stay the course and reelect the real thing.

As for this debt ceiling debate, screw you McVain. If you think I’m a hobbit, then I’m proud to be one. Lucky for you and your connections you escaped justice for your role in the Keating Five.

In any case, this looks to be your last term in office and good
riddance. I thank God everyday that you lost so that we can see
the progressive disease in sharp relief. I’ve no doubt that had you won, we’d be for the worse by now.

AH_C on July 27, 2011 at 5:37 PM

I don’t think too many people judge people on single actions but the totality of their actions. He has a lot of capital in the bank. I am sure he would appreciate your concern.

Cindy Munford on July 27, 2011 at 4:54 PM

You may be right, Cindy. But this is a monumental situation. The US is headed toward bankruptcy and the clock is ticking. If nothing substantial is done to stop this direction, it will become too late. Raising the debt ceiling by 2.5 trillion, taking us near 17 trillion without any real reduction in spending may be just too much. I mean Boehner’s plan only cuts 71 billion a year, and this deficit alone is 1.6 trillion. I simply do not understand how anyone can raise the debt ceiling without cuts of at least 1 trillion a year. The country is on the brink.

SheetAnchor on July 27, 2011 at 5:46 PM

MississippiMom on July 27, 2011 at 5:00 PM

Clinton didn’t get 4 more years because of the shut down. That was long forgotten by the time the 96 election rolled around. He got 4 more years because the economy was in good shape, Ross Perot siphoned off votes and the Pubs ran a good old boy candidate name Bob Dole.

chemman on July 27, 2011 at 5:46 PM

I honestly believe that history has taught them to be afraid. After the GOP gained power under Clinton, they pushed it to the brink. It was Clinton who used his veto to shut down the government, the GOP got the blame, and Clinton got 4 more years.

Remember, Clinton was reelected because Perot received 20% of the vote, most of which otherwise would have gone to Bush. Being fearful does not win wars; and this is a war for the country and its future.

SheetAnchor on July 27, 2011 at 5:50 PM

So, folks, how many of you would vote for the Boehner plan if you were in the House today?

SheetAnchor on July 27, 2011 at 5:52 PM

SheetAnchor on July 27, 2011 at 5:50 PM

That was his first term. He ran against Bob Dole for his reelection.

Cindy Munford on July 27, 2011 at 6:02 PM

Oh yes. You are right, Cindy. You also explained why Clinton won reelection in your comment.

SheetAnchor on July 27, 2011 at 6:04 PM

Have to agree with Erickson at RedState on this one.

“One week ago the entire conservative movement was unified behind Cut, Cap, and Balance as was both House and Senate GOP caucus — no small feat to be sure.

Then, because Harry Reid denied CCB a vote through a procedural motion, John Boehner produces a crackpot plan that rips the conservative movement apart at the seams and after taking two stabs at it, still can’t get to the promised $1.2 trillion in cuts he initially claimed it would have.

The bill is being whipped against by Pelosi (which CCB was not) and will likely draw less Dem support than CCB. The bill is said by Reid to be DOA in the Senate.

But Boehner believes that it is strategically smarter to die on this hill and force it down Senate Dems throats rather than try to do that on a bill in which he has the support of all his members, all the movement, and 66 percent of the American people.”

SheetAnchor on July 27, 2011 at 6:06 PM

Thanks Arizona.
/s

When are they going to send that clown packing?

csdeven on July 27, 2011 at 6:14 PM

SheetAnchor on July 27, 2011 at 6:04 PM

I laughed!!!!

Cindy Munford on July 27, 2011 at 6:17 PM

Well the “Maverick” has spoken..:)

Dire Straits on July 27, 2011 at 6:21 PM

Meh, McCain. At least I can say I didn’t vote for him for re-election in 2010. I’m still waiting for him to finish the danged fence which he hasn’t done. Instead the state is taking individual donations to finish the job the feds don’t seem to be able to do.

Desert Gardens on July 27, 2011 at 6:25 PM

I don’t expect anything less from John McCain, seeing he is not a Conservative. He should have resigned from the Republican Party long, long ago and joined the Democrats.

A wolf in sheep’s clothing. One of the “good ole boys”, RINO for sure. He should appreciate the fact that Sarah Palin was his running mate, because he would certainly be the target of her arrows.

bluefox on July 27, 2011 at 6:29 PM

I forgot to add that John McCain’s “straight talk” is folly.

One can’t speak straight with a forked tongue.

bluefox on July 27, 2011 at 6:31 PM

…and the tea-party Hobbits could return to Middle Earth having defeated Mordor.

The number of different ways of trying to minimalize “teabaggers” got used up a long time ago. You always have to look for the meme in these stories, and ignore everything else.

The only real point of any of these articles is that taxpayers have stepped out of line by starting to whine about what the government is doing with our money. And liberals desperately need to keep reminding us – over and over and over again – that we will soon scurry back into the shadows where we belong.

Remember, this stuff is designed to convince themselves as much as it is us. And they are in for a very rude surprise.

logis on July 27, 2011 at 6:59 PM

MississippiMom on July 27, 2011 at 5:00 PM

I agree with your focus on 2012 as the real contest.

GaltBlvnAtty on July 27, 2011 at 7:11 PM

Gollum/McCain: Baggins! We hates it! Hates it! FOREVER!

Fallon on July 27, 2011 at 7:17 PM

Rather be a Hobbit than a troll.

eyesky on July 27, 2011 at 7:20 PM

I’M SORRY I EVER VOTED FOR HIM.

That deserves capitals.

I felt worse when I first read about this and thought that McCain came up with “hobbits” on his own.

Now I feel a tad bit better about him (meaning that I might not spit on him if I saw him), and worse about the WSJ.

But I’m still sorry I ever voted for him and would gladly go back and take back my vote if I could.

I guess voting for John McCain was not much different from, say, a vote for Meaghan McCain.

Alana on July 27, 2011 at 7:41 PM

Mark Levin has the PERFECT name for these pseudo-conservative Wall Street Urinal writers:

VICHY Republicans

LegendHasIt on July 27, 2011 at 7:45 PM

The thing is, Would the orcs from the Wall Street Urinal be the creatures of Sorosran or Sorosuman.

Or are they not orcs, but Wormtongues?

LegendHasIt on July 27, 2011 at 7:55 PM

McShame does actually have a point about Sharon Angle and likely Christine O’Donnell.

Kermit on July 27, 2011 at 8:21 PM

“This is the kind of crack political thinking that turned Sharron Angle and Christine O’Donnell into G.O.P. nominees,”

Seriously Juan?

Or the kind of crack political thinking that nominated McCain in 2008.

Or the kind of crack political thinking that went into his pathetic LOSING campaign.

Jack Bauer on July 27, 2011 at 8:28 PM

Hey! WSJ! (and Sen. Juan McLame)
Just FYI…

The hobbits NEVER LEFT Middle Earth!
They were drawn into a great war that they neither started nor wanted, yet they came to realize that they HAD to fight in order to save themselves and their way of life.

Yes! They were a diminutive people, but they loved their country and were forced to defend themselves. In the end, even with their faults, they helped to defeat the enemy and save Middle Earth.

So! Yeah! Thanks WSJ and McLame…

I’m a Tea Party Hobbit!!!
Woohoo!!!

Who’s up for second breakfast?

shorebird on July 27, 2011 at 10:22 PM

Or the kind of crack political thinking that nominated McCain in 2008…

Jack Bauer on July 27, 2011 at 8:28 PM

You have to think that’s exactly what Hannity was thinking when he interviewed him.

slickwillie2001 on July 27, 2011 at 10:22 PM

Greta just read an answer from Ms. O’Donnell to Sen. McCain. Guess who looked like the crackpot?

Cindy Munford on July 27, 2011 at 10:57 PM

shorebird on July 27, 2011 at 10:22 PM

That was beautiful. I’m a Tea Party Hobbitt, too!

I’ll have bacon *and* sausage with my fried eggs, please. :D

Dominion on July 27, 2011 at 11:24 PM

McCain famously said we had NOTHING TO FEAR from an Obama Presidency!

Google it.

McCain is a fool.

PappyD61 on July 27, 2011 at 11:40 PM

Kermit on July 27, 2011 at 8:21 PM

So what? Carly Fiorina also lost. Sometimes we lose. But there’s no reason to define the tea party by its losses when it had so many (and contributed to so many) wins. It’s BS. Focus on the batting average, not last night’s loss.

alwaysfiredup on July 28, 2011 at 12:50 AM

67% of the American public, tens of millions of people, prefer Cut, Cap & Balance. They want you to hang tough and quit giving Obama lifelines. Don’t you know how to negotiate, sir? The national debt is $14 trillion and counting, and your plan does nothing to address this problem.
If Obama is going to veto a proposal, let him veto CUT, CAP AND BALANCE! Don’t you see? If Obama vetoes YOUR piddly bill, you have no backing of the American people. If he vetoes CUT CAP AND BALANCE, which he will, he will be flouting the will of the American people, and it will bolster the Republicans.
Your plan not only gives Obama a lifeline, but you are out on a tightrope with most of the public against you as well. If you go down, dammit, go down swinging for the American majority who supports Cut, Cap & Balance!
Remember: Congress is required by law to pay social security; it’s in the Social Security Act. They MUST send it to the Treasury for payment. It is law, sir. So this is really another Obama-manufactured crisis and the Republicans are falling for it, yet again. First it was TARP, then it was BAIL-OUTS, then it was STIMULUS, and now it’s DEBT CRISIS. It’s not FOOL US TWICE, it’s FOOL US MULTIPLE TIMES.

Mark7788 on July 28, 2011 at 1:12 AM

Mark7788 on July 28, 2011 at 1:15 AM

Ms. O’Donnell’s reply.

“…. I think that it is inappropriate to insult the judgment of the majority of Republicans in Nevada and Delaware and that the implication that nominating RINOs somehow means we win was irrefutably disproven by McCain’s own presidential candidacy debacle. After that nightmare, McCain had to veer right so fast he almost got whiplash from all his flip-flopping just to keep his Senate seat. It doesn’t help him to attack those conservatives and Tea Partiers who graciously gave him another chance to keep his job….”

Cindy Munford on July 28, 2011 at 1:43 AM

I’m not going to go into “…crack political thinking” and how it relates to Maverick Senator John’s own nauseating history, but I will say the sooner we get rid of each and every one of these mental midgets and replace them with some conservatives who know the difference between being on foot or horseback, the better off we and the country…no, make that the world, will be

Mr. Grump on July 28, 2011 at 8:52 AM

“Even the smallest person can change the course of the future.”
— J.R.R. Tolkien

Logic on July 28, 2011 at 9:15 AM

McCain – I am so glad I did not vote for you, even at the high price of getting Obama. McCain, your time has been over for a decade; time to get out – go home and enjoy your wife’s millions.

Over50 on July 28, 2011 at 9:22 AM

I mean Boehner’s plan only cuts 71 billion a year, and this deficit alone is 1.6 trillion.

SheetAnchor on July 27, 2011 at 5:46 PM

If you look at the year-by-year cuts (a term I use VERY loosely), Boehner’s plan doesn’t even cut 71 billion in the first 2 years combined. After that, we have a new congress that will not honor the supposedly increasing cuts through the 10th year. No one in this debate is serious, not one of them has even suggested we stop overspending RIGHT NOW.

Let’s hit the debt ceiling, and start spending what we take in RIGHT NOW. If the republicans do nothing, this will be the result. They’ve already passed CCB, let the dems choke on it. The press will demonize us no matter what we do, up to and including giving obama everything he wants. You all know this to be true. Let’s hang for who we are.

runawayyyy on July 28, 2011 at 1:18 PM

It was a couple of Hobbits that destroyed Sauron.

Luis Gonzalez on July 30, 2011 at 9:10 AM

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