Tea Party Patriots chief: Boehner should go
posted at 8:08 pm on July 27, 2011 by Allahpundit
Via Mediaite. In fairness, that’s not necessarily her opinion: She’s citing a survey of the group’s members in which 74.1 percent said “yes” or “maybe” to the question of whether the House needs a new Speaker. For a full-throated “Boehner must go” cry from a TP leader, you’ll have to turn to Tea Party Nation chief Judson Phillips instead. Quote: “We need a Speaker who is a leader. We need someone with courage and vision. Boehner has none of those qualities.” And yet, today’s tea-party rally on the Hill was small; tea-party heroes like Allen West and (maybe) Mike Pence are rallying the freshmen to Boehner’s side; and even stalwart Paul Broun — who called for lowering the debt ceiling to reduce spending — dismisses the idea that Boehner’s speakership is in danger. What happened to tea power? Has it simply been overwhelmed in this case by fears over hitting the ceiling?
Or does John McCormack’s “underpants gnome” reading of their negotiating strategy explain it?
Underpants Gnome debt plan:
Phase 1: Defeat Boehner;
Phase 2: ???;
Phase 3: Cut, Cap, Balance!
Yeah, I’m confused by Phase 2 also. What’s the scenario by which Barack Obama and Harry Reid magically become fiscal conservatives and lead the Democrats to adopt CCB? The thinking, I assume, is that if we hit the ceiling and the economy tanks, the left will have a panic attack and agree to pass CCB simply because it’s the only thing, supposedly, that can pass the House. But that assumes Democrats will agree to anything to raise the ceiling. They won’t. If you disagree, why not add the repeal of ObamaCare to the list of GOP demands? Why not add the privatization of Social Security? I hate to intrude with a bit of bracing political reality but Obama and Reid have to appease their base too. Giving the tea party everything it wants is the opposite of that, for which they’d pay a terrible electoral price. And since this fiasco is, after all, about nothing more than electoral politics on the Democratic side, that makes CCB an instant nonstarter.
But, just to play this thought out, let’s say we hit the ceiling without a deal. Supposedly the pressure would now be on Senate Democrats to pass CCB to end the crisis. How does Reid get out of that jam? Pretty easily, actually: He could “cave” to the GOP by belatedly agreeing to Boehner’s bill, which would shift the pressure to end the crisis back to House Republicans to approve their own leader’s plan. Better yet, he could propose some sort of joint bill merging his plan and Boehner’s (which wouldn’t be hard) and then let the liberal media go to work in selling his “statesmanlike compromise” versus the House GOP’s “hardline” position. But wait, you say, this only proves that Boehner never should have offered a bill! If he’d stuck by CCB as the only option — which, per the above, would all but guarantee hitting the ceiling — there wouldn’t be any squishy Republican plan for Reid to exploit after the deadline. In that case, the Democrats would have turned around and offered a new plan (they’d call it “The People’s Plan” or something similarly tedious) incorporating a few trillion in cuts a la Reid’s current bill plus a few hundred billion in new revenues. Scoff if you like, but Obama’s endless droning about a “balanced” approach does have traction in the polls: Remember this recent eye-popper from Gallup showing that just 26 percent of Republicans favor a cuts-only approach? Once they did that, all they’d have to do is dig in, push their position as the “reasonable” one that does the people’s bidding, and then wait for public/market panic to pressure the GOP into compromising with them on some scaled-down Reid/Boehner cuts-only approach that can grudgingly pass both houses.
The only glimmer of hope CCB has right now, I think, would be if S&P declared, as a matter of absolute certainty, that passage of either the Reid or Boehner plan will result in a downgrade of U.S. securities whereas passage of CCB will let America stay AAA. They’re not going to do that, though, partly because I suspect they don’t want to spook world markets any more than is necessary and partly because it may turn out that no one cares, which would be a huge blow to their prestige. In fact, as Veronique de Rugy points out, for a group of people who are supposedly so worried about a downgrade, Obama and Congress sure haven’t done much with entitlements to make sure we avert it. Their plan/hope, I think, is simply to do something modest now and trust that S&P doesn’t have the stones to actually downgrade the United States. And if it does, then Boehner’s short-term two-phase will be optimally timed to force that issue: We’ll have to revisit this issue early next year, with an election impending, and now with an AA rating tossed in the mix to, shall we say, concentrate the mind. I’d like to think Democrats would want to immediately revisit the debt in the wake of an AA even if Boehner’s bill doesn’t pass, but hey — they’re Democrats.
I’ll leave you with Keith Hennessy’s rundown of the latest version of Boehner’s bill, of which he says, “Without too much trouble you can see the conceptual outline of ‘Cut, Cap, and Balance’ within this bill.” Here’s the clip; note the answer to the question of whether tea partiers are inadvertently helping Obama get reelected.









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primary the sobbing wimp. he’s not up to the task.
sbvft contributor on July 27, 2011 at 8:11 PM
Underpants Gnome debt plan:
Phase 1: Defeat Boehner;
Phase 2: Stop negotiating, we passed the CCB!
Phase 3: Cut, Cap, Balance!
astonerii on July 27, 2011 at 8:12 PM
How about a plan with $50 billion in cuts? Is that too extreme?
Maxpower on July 27, 2011 at 8:13 PM
$50 billion in the 1st year.
Maxpower on July 27, 2011 at 8:13 PM
RINO manifesto this post is.
And I agree. Let the libtards say No to raising the debt ceiling. Get it out of the hands of incompetent Republicans in the House and the let incompetent Democrats in the White House deal with it. We did our duty.
Apologetic California on July 27, 2011 at 8:17 PM
Let the Tea Party become a top-down organization, and this is what you get. Interest groups, not political action.
This is bluster, nothing more.
KingGold on July 27, 2011 at 8:17 PM
Also, Tea Party Patriots, just like Tea Party Express, have tried to gain credibility with the TP name. They do not represent local TP groups, which is the vast majority of the TP.
Kermit on July 27, 2011 at 8:18 PM
Ok. I get it. But what’s this strategy?
1. Pass Boehner’s plan
2. Reid Rejects it
3. ????
4. Victory!
Don’t get me wrong, I think they should pass Boehner’s plan, not because it’s a solution per se, but because with the Dems and Obama literally saying a plan is DOA before it’s even finished seems to me like the upper chamber isn’t going to budge. So why not pass Boehner’s plan? If it’s going to be as dead as CCB, screw them. Honestly, at this point, I’d be proud of Boehner and the House if, once they passed his plan, they left D.C. for recess and didn’t come back until the Senate passes a version of the Ryan budget, CCB, or Boehner’s plan.
Weight of Glory on July 27, 2011 at 8:19 PM
Judson Phillips, when you pay that 600 grand you owe to Shel Adelson, maybe I’ll take something you say seriously. Until then, please don’t deign to lecture people on spending money they don’t have.
JohnGalt23 on July 27, 2011 at 8:20 PM
Here is the reality…
Dems control the SENATE.
Zero has the veto pen ready in hand.
The GOP is not in control.
Kermit on July 27, 2011 at 8:20 PM
katy on July 27, 2011 at 8:20 PM
At which point we’ll fold again, too. Because there’s always the possibility of a further downgrade. And you don’t want Republicans blamed for default, do you? So we have to fold, you see, in order to win the long game. Which never seems to come.
amerpundit on July 27, 2011 at 8:21 PM
Why is it whenever anyone attached to any of the numerous “tea party” organizations says something, people rush to say it’s like everyone in the “movement” agrees.
There are so, so many tea party organizations and they all work independently.
Enough is enough.
ButterflyDragon on July 27, 2011 at 8:21 PM
Compared to John Boehner, Christine O’Donnell is starting to look pretty good.
Emperor Norton on July 27, 2011 at 8:21 PM
3 is where the two plans either get merged into a bipartisan bill or where the Senate GOP filibusters Reid’s plan, leaving Boehner’s option the only game in town. Unlike CCB, the Dems can tolerate passing Boehner’s bill.
No victory, though. Like I said in the CBO post, no one supports this thing on the merits.
Allahpundit on July 27, 2011 at 8:22 PM
Actually, it makes plenty of sense? How? Not sure. But the people who totally don’t want to maintain the status quo yet always do ensure me it does.
amerpundit on July 27, 2011 at 8:22 PM
I’ve almost got the donation check filled out:
Pay to the Order of Conservative Boehner Opponent
TxAnn56 on July 27, 2011 at 8:23 PM
If you think that was due to these petty interest groups and their squabbling and counterproductive arguments, you’re wrong.
The Tea Party is not a top-down organization.
KingGold on July 27, 2011 at 8:23 PM
What a would “fold” look like during negotiations to rework America’s spending so that it can get back to a AAA rating?
Allahpundit on July 27, 2011 at 8:23 PM
Reid is not up for re-election until, sigh, 2016. Obama is the one who needs the chaos. Sure, Reid and the democrats are playing long (just like the GOP did with Bush’s spending), but the only outcome at this point can be that Barry uses the 14th Amendment, which was the plan all along.
SouthernGent on July 27, 2011 at 8:23 PM
Easy enough, dummy.
The CCB has been passed by the house and tabled in the senate. Refuse to pass anything else out of the house, and Obama/Reid face a choice of CCB or default.
Simple.
Aquateen Hungerforce on July 27, 2011 at 8:24 PM
That, of course, would be failure to cap spending at 12% of GDP and dismantle Energy, Interior, and DHS.
Anything less is what Pontius Pilate and Benedict Arnold would do, you see.
KingGold on July 27, 2011 at 8:24 PM
So both bills get written, passed, reconciled, debated, passed again, and signed by Tuesday. This should be good.
In which case we’ll be blamed for obstructionism…
Not after signing a pledge not to do so. Either they’ve lied to their base (“I hate to intrude with a bit of bracing political reality but Obama and Reid have to appease their base too.”) or we’ll have to swallow additional crap and more watered down of a bill.
amerpundit on July 27, 2011 at 8:25 PM
They won’t say no to raising the ceiling. They’ll pass, or try to pass, Reid’s bill. If the Senate GOP filibusters, then the Dems and media will blame them for blocking a “reasonable” proposal. And there’s simply no earthly way most of the GOP caucus will hold out for CCB if we hit the ceiling and the stalemate drags on for days or even weeks. The market panic will be atrocious. Why do you think they’re coming around to Boehner’s position before the markets have even tanked? They know what’s coming.
Allahpundit on July 27, 2011 at 8:25 PM
Higher taxes combined with deeper defense cuts and more discretionary caps. Plus, of course, a future promise to have a commission look into reforming entitlements.
amerpundit on July 27, 2011 at 8:27 PM
Well, they’ve essentially done this already and the Dems are no closer to signing off on it…
catmman on July 27, 2011 at 8:27 PM
The posture of the Dems in the Senate is such that any prospect of a “bipartisan merger” seems as remote as passing CCB. And as far as the GOP blocking Reid’s plan in the Senate, forcing Boehner’s plan to be the only game in town, isn’t that essentially the same as those who say CCB could/should be that only game in town? To conclude what you conclude you’d have to come to the conclusion that Reid’s promise to block Boehner’s plan is a bluff. Do you?
Weight of Glory on July 27, 2011 at 8:27 PM
Reid was working with Boehner on his bill last weekend until Obama wet his pants over it. They’ll rework it so there’s something for both sides and pass that. That way they’re not bound by their pledge.
As for the Senate GOP being blamed for obstructionism, that’s harder to do if Boehner’s very modest plan has passed the House. No reason for the Senate to torpedo it except for the short-term provision. Much harder messaging.
Allahpundit on July 27, 2011 at 8:27 PM
I resent these people representing themselves as leaders of the Tea Party…
I didn’t vote for them nor would I.
And sparsly attended “rallies” do none a service, IMO…
golfmann on July 27, 2011 at 8:28 PM
Last I checked their base supports CCB.
clement on July 27, 2011 at 8:29 PM
Yeah, absolutely. Reid might hold out for some sort of merger of the bills so that he can save face, but they’re not going to hold the line when the GOP has passed CCB *and* a much more modest Boehner bill. There’s too much pressure on them in that case to pick the lesser option and maybe tweak it somehow to get it through the Senate.
It’s almost pointless to debate this until there’s a real lurch in the market. That will shake a lot of things loose.
Allahpundit on July 27, 2011 at 8:30 PM
Reid’s new story is that the bill is right-wing fringe legislation dripping in goodies for the Tea Party.
You’re thinking logically. The president insists a war isn’t a war and he has a plan even though it doesn’t exist. They’ll blame the GOP for obstructionism.
amerpundit on July 27, 2011 at 8:30 PM
It is incredibly arrogant of Boehner not to have stepped down by now. The Democrats know he is a push-over, so they know victory is theirs.
Boehner needs to go and Bachmann needs to take the gavel. The Democrats would pass and sign the cut, cap and balance on the mere threat of that happening to prevent it.
Buddahpundit on July 27, 2011 at 8:30 PM
I agree.
Boehner and Cantor should step down.
Spathi on July 27, 2011 at 8:30 PM
It’s not the job of Congress to fix and maintain stock prices. If the market thinks the Emperor (no relation) has no clothes, so be it.
Emperor Norton on July 27, 2011 at 8:31 PM
I doubt that would get us back to AAA. There’s only one thing that would solve the country’s medium- and long-term debt problem, which is what S&P’s worried about, and that’s entitlement reform.
Allahpundit on July 27, 2011 at 8:31 PM
Top down, bottom up..it’s labels like this that keep the left all giddy. The bottom line is the “movement” has changed everything and will continue to do so.
katy on July 27, 2011 at 8:31 PM
Sadly I think you’re right. Is that the primary place you think the pressure will originate? Because at this point the upper chamber has had a shockingly large amount of breathing room to dictate what will be and wont be acceptable. And if you think the pressure will come with a 4% drop in the DOJ, who will shape that pressure for Reid to cave and accept Boehner, and not the House to cave and accept Reid?
Weight of Glory on July 27, 2011 at 8:34 PM
Reid’s letter.
Complaint #1: The debt increase isn’t big enough.
Complaint #2: The House will later demand entitlement reform without hiking taxes.
Signed by every single Democrat.
amerpundit on July 27, 2011 at 8:34 PM
Do you think Obama/Reid would do anything to get back? A fold would be doing anything with them attached to it.
Aquateen Hungerforce on July 27, 2011 at 8:34 PM
I gotta think both Ancient Rome and George III’s England would have been perfectly content with 12%…
JohnGalt23 on July 27, 2011 at 8:35 PM
The RINOs (including Boehner) will figure a way to snatch defeat from the jaws of certain Democratic defeat. Others have cogently pointed out that that Dems hold the lead in the Senate and control the White House.Any Republican counter-measure (short of a “jerk off” compromise) is doomed to certain failure. Thus do the ONLY thing possible–use the House to BLOCK every measure and proposal.
The ONLY Republican solution should be NO COMPROMISE. The Dems created this mess and any attempt to modify said mess will accrue favorably to them if successful and set the Republicans up for full blame if it fails. “Our plan would have worked but Republican meddling caused it to fail.”
MaiDee on July 27, 2011 at 8:35 PM
You are absolutely delusional.
WisCon on July 27, 2011 at 8:35 PM
So how does the Boehner bill get amended to give Reid an out from his now-written pledge? Bigger debt increase?
amerpundit on July 27, 2011 at 8:35 PM
Good point..:)
Dire Straits on July 27, 2011 at 8:35 PM
Bingo!
d1carter on July 27, 2011 at 8:39 PM
And this is exactly how the slow creep of progressivism changes American culture.
They lost the house in Nov. but they still manage to taint and destroy our gains to pass another meaningless yet long term destructive piece of crap legislation and that does nothing to change course and everything to throw a wrench in the mandate that was Nov 2010.
katy on July 27, 2011 at 8:39 PM
” So we have to fold, you see, in order to win the long game. Which never seems to come.
amerpundit on July 27, 2011 at 8:21 PM”
You can say that again. We’ve been playing the long game since Nixon’s administration, or was it Eisenhower, or even before that? Wilkie maybe? Although he never actually won. Anyway, if Reagan hadn’t won and applied his short game the long game would have paid off by now, certainly. We hobbitts are just too dense I guess to understand the nuances of the long game. To us when you hold a winning hand you don’t fold and let the other guys take the pot and then call it ‘good for the other players’ or go along with their bluffs (like we will default if we don’t raise the debt ceiling. Which we all know now is a total lie). We just don’t get the “conventional wisdom” of the inside the beltway Repubs. We prefer victory. We must accept that things aren’t black and white. The world is gray, like a RINOserous.
JimP on July 27, 2011 at 8:39 PM
Oh nice….not rhetorical at all.
Exactly who, genius, said the TEA party was holding out for everything it wants?
Seems to me, they’ve had to put up with an awful lot from Speaker Hack…as well as ad-homenim attacks from the MSM and now disrespect from pundit-squish.
Pretend cuts, vaporware bills, business as usual……I’m happy to fight this one out….maybe you better head home, eat some prunes, have a nice BM and take a little nap.
Tim_CA on July 27, 2011 at 8:40 PM
True. It’s a horrible bill, the only reason people support it is as a strategy to throw this hot potato back to the dems and let them own it. It might work and it might not. I think it has a better chance than to keep screaming, “cut, cap and balance” as loud as we can for the millionth time. I say this as a full supporter of CCB, but knowing there is no way it gets passed.
By the way, if AP’s scenario plays out and Obama is forced to sign the Boehner bill, his base is going to be irate. No tax hikes. Short-term. Spending cuts (albeit small ones). Not sticking it to corporate jet owners and oil companies. This could really dampen the enthusiasm of his base, which would be a huge plus going into the election.
JohnInCA on July 27, 2011 at 8:40 PM
See! It’s that kind of stuff that’s poisoned the well so badly that a merger bill seems completely unworkable at this point. And Reid’s stuck his neck out so far that there’s no way he could save face should they later come to pass Boehner’s bill. If the House reluctantly passes Boehner’s bill, while the Senate dems are standing over them saying “we’ll kill it! we’ll kill it!” even before it passes the House, then I don’t see any way for either chamber to work with the other. What’s the end game at that point?
Weight of Glory on July 27, 2011 at 8:40 PM
Jenny Beth? She should go by Jenny, or Jen, or Jennifer, or one of the many derivatives of Elizabeth. Most of the people using two first names are actors (Neil Patrick, Chad Michael) or hillbilly/trailer types (John Wayne, Billy Bob). Or in Billy Bob Thornton’s case, maybe both.
jazz_piano on July 27, 2011 at 8:41 PM
Then we should counter:
Question #1: When is enough debt enough for the Democrats
Question #2: The Democrats will never sign on to anything without raising taxes.
catmman on July 27, 2011 at 8:41 PM
In that case, why not have Congress simply decree that the Dow Jones Industrial Average is now 20,000? That’s 8,000 points higher than it is now! (Remember, it’s for the children.)
Of course, that would be stupid. It would also be fascism.
I want people from Wall Street who have the ear of the Speaker to stop talking, but especially Kudlow.
Emperor Norton on July 27, 2011 at 8:41 PM
Entitlement reform would go a long way towards steadying the credit markets. But given that those particular bombs don’t go off until after the date at which this country will be wiped out if we don’t get the deficit/debt under control, I have to think that putting our budget somewhere near balance very quickly would satisfy the bond pirates.
And short of slashing entitlements now, the only way you get anywhere close to balance includes some big cuts in defense and serious cuts/caps in other spending, up to and including the elimination of a few departments.
JohnGalt23 on July 27, 2011 at 8:42 PM
I’m not a member but I’m with Tea Party Patriots.
FloatingRock on July 27, 2011 at 8:42 PM
Well, for about 60% of this country, it would look just exactly however ABC,CBS and CNN decided to frame it.
BigWyo on July 27, 2011 at 8:43 PM
Underpants Gnome debt plan:
Phase 1: Do nothing and spending will be capped.
Phase 2: Wait for Obama and Reid to come, hat in hand, asking for an debt increase, telling us what they are willing to do for the increase.
Politics is power, the Democrats play to win and they play for keeps, it’s time the Republicans did the same!
RJL on July 27, 2011 at 8:43 PM
You don’t. Boehner uses it to his advantage. He passes his bill and then goes on TV and explains to the people that he passed this under cries that he was soft, a RINO, not a leader, etc. He did this as the ultimate act of compromise to avoid a default. It’s now in Reid, Obama and every Democrat in the Senate’s hands to do the same thing.
This whole fiasco could work to his advantage if Reid overplays his hand.
gophergirl on July 27, 2011 at 8:44 PM
I think the market has already priced in most of this in the past week (though skewed by other awful economic data). Dow’s been down 500 points. Once the default date has been passed (whenever the hell that is), we’ve already seen by then the possibly bad unemployment numbers, auto sales, and I heard, downward GDP revisions of the past two years. The impetus for ANY side to “stabilize” the system will be quick.
And you know what? It looks to me that the Republicans will be on the losing end w.r.t. spending. My biggest fear though is if the conference bill will be no better than if we didn’t have this hullaballoo after all. THAT’s terrible for the GOP. Yes, I’m not really going out on a limb here to say that the GOP will lose, have you seen it’s PR operations?!
Apologetic California on July 27, 2011 at 8:44 PM
I should be a member of Tea Party Patriots, I’ve liked their spokespeople that have been on the air.
Here’s their registration page:
http://www.teapartypatriots.org/1stBrigadeRegister.aspx
FloatingRock on July 27, 2011 at 8:46 PM
I guarantee that a lot of tea party folks are watching this kabuki dance.
A leadership in the House that is so afraid of getting blamed that they are willing to jettison CCB, compromise and negotiate against themselves, water down additional bills with token cuts over 10 years in exchange for 1-2Trillion of spending now? All because a bunch of wimps can’t seem to call a bluff with a President and senate majority leader who have no plan at all?
It is call reciprocation boys……I go, you go. Rinse repeat. At this rate, the Prez and Harry are not going to vote or approve anything and double down with our guys running around like a jackrabbit at a coyote picnic and after the heat gets hot enough we will just approve 5T clean. Just who is looking out for the country? Default? Why then is Timmy and the WH calling all the banks and saying ‘don’t worry about default?’
You don’t win by playing your hand before the dealer asks.
Starlink on July 27, 2011 at 8:48 PM
While we’re talking about bracing political realities, it doesn’t hurt to make clear to Obama and the Democrats that Boehner has to appease his base as well.
didymus on July 27, 2011 at 8:50 PM
First Reid doesn’t have a real proposal yet… perhaps an outline but nothing solid and he isn’t the swiftest of people without the Apollo Alliance to write these big packages for him. I mean they might only make it 200 to 300 pages long! That junk takes time to bang out on a word processor.
So Boehner’s plan might pass the House, maybe, and get killed by the Senate. Sometime late next week Reid will have gotten his cobbled together junk and, maybe, pass it in the Senate and have it killed by the House. Anything Boehner has will be uncreconcileable to Reid’s proposal, and to get something hashed out will take weeks.
Say, has the FY ’12 budget passed yet?
IN the meantime Obama has to start cutting back… debt maintenance will continue, even Little Timmy Turbo Tax knows that.
SSA and M&M’s the great entitlements will continue, otherwise we have the utterly delicious spectacle of the most Liberal Progressive President in our time having to cut back the Great Society and New Deal programs! What’s not to love about that?
So he keeps those going, cuts defense and funds the few other things LTTT tells him to (and no wonders he wants to get out of Dodge, huh?), and once all the cats and dogs are taken care of he has enough to fund… well… how far does $60 billion go out there? I mean he has to keep the collections part of the IRS going…
Meltdown in the markets? Over the US government laying people off and not spending beyond its means AND keeping its debt maintenance payments?
Why, exactly?
This is how a government SHOULD act when it spends beyond its means. It is known as AUSTERITY and it will set us free.
ajacksonian on July 27, 2011 at 8:50 PM
Won’t. Ever. Happen.
Sorry, but you lost to something called political reality. Boehner’s plan, right now, is about as good as you’re going to get. You want something better? Win the Senate and White House in 2012.
You won’t get anything better before then, with HALF of ONE branch of government.
Forget it,
JakeTea Party, it’sChinatownWashington D.C.Vyce on July 27, 2011 at 8:51 PM
Boehner is behaving like a man who has seen the Polaroids his enemies have of him.
Emperor Norton on July 27, 2011 at 8:51 PM
Who is this lady and why should I care?
Good Lt on July 27, 2011 at 8:52 PM
This.
mockmook on July 27, 2011 at 8:52 PM
Excellent post!..:)
Dire Straits on July 27, 2011 at 8:52 PM
So if the tables were turned and the GOP had WH and Senate while Dems had House, you would not be angry if the Dems dictated to the GOP what bills were going to pass?
WisCon on July 27, 2011 at 8:53 PM
While absolutely true….his base is never going anywhere anyway (although it is fun to watch ‘em go nuts).
Everytime we take a stand, we have another opportunity to get our philosophy in front of the American People…..to differentiate ourselves from tax-loving libs. That’s how you steal from bammie.
Everytime we clearly articulate our point of view, bammie sheds more indies and leaners and centrist dems and feel-good-pc’ers who are all starting to wake up.
50% of our problem right now is boner’s lack of communication skells……(the other 50% is his lack of testes, but we’ll table that for now).
As we “discussed” (lol) in the other thread…I really think we’re blowing an opportunity here.
Tim_CA on July 27, 2011 at 8:53 PM
I’m still looking for the standard by which the US credit rating is judged. It sure isn’t the one that gets used on me.
I say it’s arbitrary.
BobMbx on July 27, 2011 at 8:55 PM
In that case, think of all the media accolades Boehner could earn if he changed parties and became a Democrat, right now.
Emperor Norton on July 27, 2011 at 8:57 PM
If the GOP had not passed a budget in 2 1/2 years, spent more money than all admin’s since Washinton through Clinton and had 72% of the population screaming at the top of their lungs to STOP THE SPENDING…then I’d have to day…yes.
katy on July 27, 2011 at 8:58 PM
I don’t know about any of you all, but I need a f3cking JOB and to keep what is left of my 401(k). I need to sell my house. Who the hell is going to hire me, buy my house, or restore my savings after the markets tank and interest rates spike? Can we please stop with all this nonsense?
rockmom on July 27, 2011 at 8:59 PM
The Democrats hold no cards. These Republican failures have been creating cards for them.
Buddahpundit on July 27, 2011 at 9:00 PM
Beyond that Bob….I’ve been wondering how much power the Executive Branch has over the rating agencies (direct or tangential).
And I’m talking beyond the rhetoric for the press and it’s effects….does Executive have the power to twist arms?
Tim_CA on July 27, 2011 at 9:01 PM
It is a little arbitrary for sovereign debt, for sure. But it is based on sound models of the likelihood of en eventual default.
rockmom on July 27, 2011 at 9:01 PM
Ah yes, when all else fails, blame the messaging. We’re just not pushing the crazy HARD enough!
rockmom on July 27, 2011 at 9:03 PM
Agreed!! I’m not arguing that…but you have to admit….he sucks as a messanger, and his bill was designed to give everyone (both sides) cover.
It certainly wasn’t meant to curb spending.
the savings gleaned is a flea on the ass of our debt.
Tim_CA on July 27, 2011 at 9:06 PM
Except the White House and the Senate.
But yeah, they hold nothing at all.
Good Lt on July 27, 2011 at 9:07 PM
For Quote of the Day, here ya go, Allahpundit:
McCain: tea-party ‘foolish’ on balanced budget
1,000 comments, easy.
Emperor Norton on July 27, 2011 at 9:10 PM
As for this Tea Party rally at the capital, how many rallies can a working person attend?
Boehner should do the right thing and just resign so he can spend more time with his family. I don’t want to see him leave congress or anything, but we need fresh new leadership like now!
JellyToast on July 27, 2011 at 9:11 PM
Reminding any who read this that anyone of any political party can and does join or associate with Tea Party’s.
I think this woman’s negativity about Boehner is utterly disappointing as it is also bordering on self-hating. Or else she’s one of those Progressives loitering among an insincere claim that she’s “Conservative.”
Lourdes on July 27, 2011 at 9:11 PM
McCain was just on Hannity, with a great big smirk on his face. He wore that same expression when he complained about Republicans being mean about Obama, or something, in his silly campaign drama.
Lourdes on July 27, 2011 at 9:13 PM
If we want the stock market to surge, we should just follow the Zimbabwe model. I wonder if Mugabe brags about his awesome best-in-the-world bull market. Probably does.
Buddahpundit on July 27, 2011 at 9:14 PM
Said the man who got elected to do something about those things, to the masses who point out he hasn’t done his job.
BobMbx on July 27, 2011 at 9:14 PM
Boehner is a freaking disaster and a RINO! Just like every other career politician, he needs to be in the dustbin of history. Fire all the bast*rds.
ultracon on July 27, 2011 at 9:20 PM
Classic! Now, if people start mailing him pink ties…
Feedie on July 27, 2011 at 9:25 PM
I agree with several of the posters on here: with the Senate and the White House under Democratic Party control, just how exactly are Boehner, Ryan, and others going to do any more than what they have been doing, given political realities? GOP leadership is fighting the good fight, in my view, although they are–as usual–losing the messaging war. Look at the numbers: Republicans are perceived as the bad guys in this debt ceiling fight by a majority of those polled in spite of all evidence to the contrary.
The right answers come from asking the right questions. The question in this case is not who has the best plan and holds the best solution to whatever issue is at hand: we do, of course. Rather, the question is how do we go through and around the mainstream news and entertainment media to reach the people on the other side of the box? If we manage to solve that particular problem, then all else follows.
troyriser_gopftw on July 27, 2011 at 9:27 PM
Can. Not. Comment. BS overdose.
Bugler on July 27, 2011 at 9:28 PM
What real cards do they hold? They can’t spend a nickel without the House. What card did Obama use the last time we had this chicken fight? He threatened to withold troops pay as his first priority. Democrat suicide isn’t a “card”, it’s a wish.
Buddahpundit on July 27, 2011 at 9:29 PM
A comment for all you Republicans and Democrats out there:
The U.S. has no distinctly criminal class………………..except Congress!
GFW on July 27, 2011 at 9:35 PM
The envy of organized crime the world round!
bluemarlin on July 27, 2011 at 9:54 PM
Jenny, I agree. I will be supporting anybody that he runs against in his next election. Total “tick” establishment RINO. The tea party put this career pol in the speakership, and I was used. Bye Bye (don’t cry John) Beohner
JustJP on July 27, 2011 at 10:06 PM
FIFY.
xblade on July 27, 2011 at 10:11 PM
You go Jenny! (lookin hot too!)
She’s the person who got 1.5 m people to the capital in 09. (and took no credit for it)
Ingraham you need to back off or back the TPP.
WE ARE THE NEW AMERICANS and we WILL RUN THIS COUNTRY from Capital Hill.
amend2 on July 27, 2011 at 10:20 PM
Heck no, how we whip out the chainsaw and slash $500 billion off the base line right now?
jasetaro on July 27, 2011 at 10:21 PM
That should be Heck no, how about we whip out the chainsaw and slash $500 billion off the base line right now?
Duh!
jasetaro on July 27, 2011 at 10:21 PM
Boehner isn’t a tough player. If he thinks this is the remedy to fiscal issues we face, he is delusional. He really needs to go.
antisocial on July 27, 2011 at 11:55 PM
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