Reports: House GOP lining up behind Boehner’s plan

posted at 4:28 pm on July 27, 2011 by Allahpundit

They’re getting their asses in line.

[T]he opposition bloc led by [Jim] Jordan appears to be crumbling, as leadership’s message seems to be sinking in. Sources tells NRO that a number of members who were confirmed no votes against the Boehner plan announced during the meeting that they would be voting yes. One of those members, Rep. Blake Farenthold (R., Texas) told reporters that while he would like to “snap my fingers and change the world like ‘I Dream of Genie’ of Samantha on ‘Bewitched,’” Republicans “need to take what we can get.”…

Even Rep. Mike Pence (R., Ind.), a prominent conservative with a history of voting against leadership, said he was undecided, but seemed to indicate that he could ultimately support the plan, calling it “an important first step toward fiscal discipline and reform.”…

Members will be presented with an updated draft of the plan later this afternoon, with a vote tentatively scheduled for Thursday. GOP aides won’t predict whether or not they have the votes to pass the plan, but acknowledge things are moving in the right direction. Rep. Paul Ryan (R., Wis.), however, said he thought the plan would pass. Tea-party favorite Allen West (R., Fla.), who supports the plan, said he might be willing to bet his retirement check on it.

Politico has quotes from other Republican freshmen who are softening on the bill. Maybe they could have held out if a few things had broken differently, but between (a) the risk of economic catastrophe from hitting the ceiling, (b) the broken caucus that would have resulted from defeating its own leader’s plan in a high-stakes showdown with Obama, (c) the political cover to vote yes provided by “true conservative” favorites like West, Ryan, Fred Thompson, and John Bolton (even Pence is on the fence), and (d) the backlash against Jim Jordan after one of his staffers allegedly tried to gin up outside pressure on other Republicans, I guess the choice here ended up being easier than thought. In fact, I wonder if Hoyer played into Boehner’s hands a bit by insisting that zero Democrats will vote for Boehner’s bill. He has to play it that way to make things as difficult as possible for the GOP, of course, since that’ll improve the Reid bill’s chances of passage, but he could have done so quietly. If House conservatives were led to believe that some Blue Dogs might vote with Boehner, it would have eased the new “circle the wagons” mindset and maybe encouraged more of them to hold out. Instead, thanks to Obama’s veto threat and the prospect of a unified Democratic opposition, the caucus is facing a “vote against Boehner is a vote for Reid” dilemma. Not much of a dilemma, really. As it is, one House source tells NRO’s Robert Costa that the final vote might not even be close.

Ironically, Boehner may also benefit from delaying the vote by a day in order to rework his bill after its disappointing CBO score. The market was down 199 points today, its biggest drop in almost two months; GOP fencesitters might dismiss that as a standard blip, but I encourage you to read this Megan McArdle post recounting her chat with Wall Street sources about why the market hasn’t tanked yet. It’s not because they think hitting the ceiling is no big deal, it’s because they think it’s such an enormously big deal that they simply can’t believe Congress will let it happen, even at this late hour. (And yeah, it’s true that we won’t default on August 2nd — even Carney now admits that — but the sudden drop in government outlays after we prioritize payments to creditors would still be a blow to the economy. Just ask Paul Ryan.) Can’t wait to see their reaction if Boehner’s bill ends up tanking after all.

For your viewing pleasure, here’s Reid insisting that Boehner’s bill doesn’t have a prayer in the Senate. Let’s see what he says on Friday, if/when JB’s bill has passed the House and Reid’s bill has died in the Senate. Exit quotation from Mike Crapo, commenting on the sudden surge of Republican support for Boehner: “It looks like they are going to have the votes to get it through.”

Update: Sorry, pasted the wrong video clip below. Here’s Reid.

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The Cut, Cap and Balance hasn’t passed in the Senate, so I would think that the Democrats would own the disaster at that point. If the Senate passed it but Obama vetoed it, then Obama would own it.

You see how this works?

Emperor Norton on July 27, 2011 at 4:58 PM

Yeah but the idiots on this board who want to pass our debt and default off to our children so they don’t have to deal with it themselves don’t see how that works.

HondaV65 on July 27, 2011 at 5:01 PM

Not so sure about your sources Allah! I called West’s office earlier this afternoon complaining about his supporting Boehner’s plan and they said he no longer supports that plan!!!

tomshup on July 27, 2011 at 4:53 PM

I suspect he heard quite an earful from those who elected him.

promachus on July 27, 2011 at 5:01 PM

No, you’re wrong. The GOP only got the house back in 2010. The damage was done.

I recall a certain party that rhymes with “GOP” telling us that they would immediately institute a $100 billion spending cut if America gave them the political juice. In the end we got $350 million, approximately the amount that the feds spend on paint and wallpaper for their offices every year.

$100 billion to $350 million.

But don’t worry, they’ve promised to enact real cuts down the road, and this time they MEAN it.

Bishop on July 27, 2011 at 5:01 PM

unseen on July 27, 2011 at 4:54 PM

No, we did not win. The democRats still control the Senate and the White House.

Really Right on July 27, 2011 at 5:02 PM

Thank you gop establishment for caving like little kids caught in the cookie jar. if not for your caving I doubt we would have got this headline today:

Palin to Keynote Labor Day Tea Party Rally in Iowa

thanks again. gop establishment. you are making this too easy…

unseen on July 27, 2011 at 5:02 PM

Just get us through 2012.

Ronnie on July 27, 2011 at 5:03 PM

For Pete’s sake. The GOP controls ONE FREAKING house. They’ve done a pretty good job of putting brakes on our boy king and his socialist ways.

The Tea Party (which isn’t really a party, right?) has had amazing impact on our government already. Now don’t F it up by being greedy and stupid. The big fight is November of next year. Tear the GOP down now, and you get BHO until 2016, along with the next great depression.

Sugar Land on July 27, 2011 at 4:47 PM

The next time I read this silly statement from establishment shills that “The GOP controls ONE FREAKING house”, I will go ballistic!!!

If we control ONLY one House as you all keep blabbing, then why the hell are we the ones proposing plan upon plan? The Boy King you are deriding and his Senate, who control two, don’t seem to care about the downgrade/default because they have proposed zilch plans!

They appear to be a lot smarter because they have kept their caucus largely unified, their Senate candidates free from taking any hard votes, and have NOT betrayed their base.

Tell me exactly what Obama/Dems lose in the Boehner proposal? Meaningless cuts to increases in the budget? Obamacare, Govt. agencies, etc… untouched? No cap on spending? No balanced budget amendment?

Don’t get us more pissed off than we are already!

TheRightMan on July 27, 2011 at 5:04 PM

Romney is the biggest loser in this whole fight.

Those people on the right who were trying to reconcile themselves to the idea of voting for yet another Rino, like Romney, those voters are now convinced that the only way we will ever see this spending problem dealt with is to vote differently.

The stalwart group has to be bigger, or we will always get steamrolled by the professionals. Perry has a big opportunity.

MTF on July 27, 2011 at 5:04 PM

We were told during obamacare the big fight would be in Nov of 2010, we won. then we were told the big fight would be over the budget. the speaker caved saying it was not the time to fight the fight will be over the debt limit, the debt limit comes and the speaker caves. Now they are saying the big fight will be over the Nov 2012 elections. How stupid do they really think we are?

unseen on July 27, 2011 at 4:54 PM

November 2010 was one battle, not the big fight itself. We did win that one handily, but even if we had gotten the Senate along with the House(which was always a long shot at best no matter what morons like Dick Morris thought), we still had Barry’s veto pen to deal with.

The next real battle is not the 2011 budget or the debt ceiling. Those are merely skirmishes. It’s November 2012. We must win back the Senate and White House. The best we can do right now is what we’ve done. Block anymore of Obama’s agenda(although he’s using executive power to circumvent Congress) and define the debate for 2012.

Doughboy on July 27, 2011 at 5:04 PM

Your Eminence, I appreciate your humor. I’m still laughing.

Vince on July 27, 2011 at 4:55 PM

Uh.. that was meant for Bishop.

Vince on July 27, 2011 at 5:05 PM

Sugar Land on July 27, 2011 at 4:56 PM

Dude, putting your remarks in boldface merely underscores how weak and unpersuasive they are.

Emperor Norton on July 27, 2011 at 5:05 PM

Passing bills is so old fashioned.

They should be reading prepared remarks aloud. That’s how adults get things done.

forest on July 27, 2011 at 5:05 PM

To those who support Boehner’s plan:

If Democrats consider a $1 billion deficit decrease far-right, what are the odds entitlement reform happens?

amerpundit on July 27, 2011 at 5:05 PM

We were told during obamacare the big fight would be in Nov of 2010, we won.

No, we only won PART of the battle. Had we taken the Senate in 2010 the leverage would be much greater now.

then we were told the big fight would be over the budget. the speaker caved saying it was not the time to fight the fight will be over the debt limit,

Not exactly. The Republicans in the House passed a budget. What are they supposed to do, shoot the Democrats in Senate dead?

the debt limit comes and the speaker caves.

I see that the Republicans advanced the line pretty far given the conditions and look to be tactically retreating to a more defensible position that is still an advancement.

Now they are saying the big fight will be over the Nov 2012 elections. How stupid do they really think we are?

The big fight is in 2012 and we shouldn’t let the smoke of this particular battle cloud our vision. We can’t be all tactics and no strategy. They probably DO think we’re stupid but we have to ignore that and press forward.

unseen on July 27, 2011

JonPrichard on July 27, 2011 at 5:06 PM

I recall a certain party that rhymes with “GOP” telling us that they would immediately institute a $100 billion spending cut if America gave them the political juice. In the end we got $350 million, approximately the amount that the feds spend on paint and wallpaper for their offices every year.

$100 billion to $350 million.

But don’t worry, they’ve promised to enact real cuts down the road, and this time they MEAN it.

Bishop on July 27, 2011 at 5:01 PM

Even THAT wasn’t a REAL cut. It was just a reduction in the rate of growth.

Baseline budgeting is Enronesque in accounting principles.

It’s bullsh!t.

fossten on July 27, 2011 at 5:06 PM

Look I really see two choices due our weak GOP

default now, and deal with the problem and force budget cuts and push for a balance budget amendment. Make this issue.

OR

default later, when we are completely out of options and ecnomony, nation, and way of life are change beyond what we know today.

We should not back the weak horse, force the default. We need to stand on prinicipals. This is the time, this is the place. Don’t give up, FIGHT!

Oil Can on July 27, 2011 at 5:06 PM

$100 billion to $350 million.

But don’t worry, they’ve promised to enact real cuts down the road, and this time they MEAN it.

Bishop on July 27, 2011 at 5:01 PM

Let’s clarify that …

In FEBRUARY … John Boehner said before CPAC …

“We’re going to cut $100 BILLION from this year’s budget … WRITE THAT DOWN … ONE HUNDRED BILLION AND WE AREN’T STOPPING THERE!”

He then passed a bill with only $60 billion in cuts.

Then he said … “We’re going to kick their asses on this budget!”

Then he “negotiated” his $100 BILLION pledge (punctuated with “WRITE THAT DOWN”) down to less than $500 million in cuts.

Then the RINO’s said … “Best deal we can get … WE’LL KILL THEM ON THE DEBT CEILING!!”

Then the GOP caves on the debt ceiling …

And the RINO’s say … “Vote for us! We’ll kick their asses when you put us back into power!”

No thanks.

HondaV65 on July 27, 2011 at 5:07 PM

Not exactly. The Republicans in the House passed a budget. What are they supposed to do, shoot the Democrats in Senate dead?

JonPrichard on July 27, 2011 at 5:06 PM

Or hold the line, as the Democrats do, and demand the left cave for once.

amerpundit on July 27, 2011 at 5:07 PM

It’s not because they think hitting the ceiling is no big deal, it’s because they think it’s such an enormously big deal that they simply can’t believe Congress will let it happen, even at this late hour.

This is my biggest concern. Yes, we all know we won’t default and we can still pay interest, SS, Medicare, veterans, active-duty military, etc.

But, can any of you “hold the line, Boehner’s a sellout” people tell me what the market will do on August 3rd. It dropped almost 200 today, please tell me what you think it will do August 3rd. If it drops 4 or 5% and then 2 or 3% the next day and a few more the next day and people are watching their 401k’s and IRA’s and their kids college 529 accounts go up in smoke, how exactly does that strengthen the Republicans hand?

With the public irate seeing their savings accounts collapse, do you really think that then Republicans are going to have leverage? I can tell you that with a compliant media it ain’t gonna be the Democrats and Obama getting blamed for that. And then you can kiss the 2012 election goodbye. Four more years of Obama. Yeaaaaaa.

JohnInCA on July 27, 2011 at 5:07 PM

If we control ONLY one House as you all keep blabbing [...]

TheRightMan on July 27, 2011 at 5:04 PM

OK, Einstein, suppose you tell us what other house we control?

db on July 27, 2011 at 5:08 PM

Uh.. that was meant for Bishop.

Vince on July 27, 2011

Thanks for clarifying. I totally didn’t get it and was ruminating on whether or not I should be offended.

JonPrichard on July 27, 2011 at 5:08 PM

Not exactly. The Republicans in the House passed a budget. What are they supposed to do, shoot the Democrats in Senate dead?

JonPrichard on July 27, 2011 at 5:06 PM

They can say that they passed a budget and let the Democrats who are now over 1,000 days without submitting one just own the problem. They control 2.5/3rds of the government, let them take the heat.

fossten on July 27, 2011 at 5:08 PM

The big fight is in 2012 and we shouldn’t let the smoke of this particular battle cloud our vision.

unseen on July 27, 2011

Agreed – keep focus – DEFEAT THE RINOS IN 2012!!

HondaV65 on July 27, 2011 at 5:08 PM

Rich Lowry at NRO:

We’re hearing it now cuts $917 billion over ten years under the more recent CBO baseline. So under $1 trillion. On the other hand, the cuts are apparently more front-loaded: $20 billion in real cuts in the first year.

steebo77 on July 27, 2011 at 5:08 PM

No, we did not win. The democRats still control the Senate and the White House.

Really Right on July 27, 2011 at 5:02 PM

what are you talking about? the gop contorls the house. not one penny can be spent without the GOP’s ok. Obama suffered one of the worse midterm defeats in history. the dems lost many senate seats and the GOP hqad the mandate to inact change. Don’t blame the GOp establishment lack of bal*s on the fact t hey don’t have all levers of power.

Obama and the senate dems need the house if they want to get anything done.

The gop caved they blinked and now the dems and obama know that the gop will not shut the gov down, will not stop the gravy train and so Obama and the dems know they don’t have to compromise because the gop establishment don’t want to fight.

We won, the gop establishment gave the dems the victory by their actions after the election.

We won, they lost. the dems and the liberals were totally defeated run out of office the entire progressive ideology was rejected enmass by the people. And what did the gop establishment do with that historic win? they blinked. they caved they worried about what the mean MSM would say about them, they were more concerned with not being seen as part o the tea party then they were about using the manadte that the tea party secured for them.

We won, the gop establishment forfieted the victory. screw them i hope the speaker and the minority leader are primaried I will be sending money to their challengers

unseen on July 27, 2011 at 5:08 PM

JohnInCA on July 27, 2011 at 5:07 PM

You’ve just predicted that the GOP MUST ALWAYS CAVE, because the media will never side with them.

How’s that gonna work?

fossten on July 27, 2011 at 5:09 PM

The market was down 199 points today, its biggest drop in almost two months

As far as the market goes, I think a huge correction has already been baked in. There’s literally no support for the market at these levels. QE2 brought the market this high, and ended on an even higher note when the DOJ surged over 600 pnts in a single week or so, on nothing but piss poor news out of Europe and a soft patch in the labor market. Since then it’s been floating along on low volume, while more and more signs are pointing to a double dip: housing, labor, manufacturing, etc. The only reason why the market hasn’t tanked yet is because there are still those who are holding out for QE3. They want to be in on the ground floor when that happens, so no one wants to sell. But with the country literally tearing apart at the seams, some are getting jittery that QE might not happen after all, so they’re torn. When the markets do finally tank, everyone will try to blame it on this debt stuff, but it’s much deeper than just that.

Weight of Glory on July 27, 2011 at 5:09 PM

I say they should pass something less to the dems liking than CC&B. The ball needs to be in their court and they must offer a proposal, not just shoot down ours. What happened to bamster’s driving the car metaphor. Seems he’s tossed the keys to the GOP, hopped in the back and is demanding they chauffeur him wherever he wants to go.

Throw Harry the kes and dump O on the nearest curb.

clnurnberg on July 27, 2011 at 5:10 PM

Agreed – keep focus – DEFEAT THE RINOS IN 2012!!

HondaV65 on July 27, 2011 at 5:08 PM

While I agree with you wholeheartedly, it is important to remember that the first order of business is to win back the WH and the Senate.

db on July 27, 2011 at 5:10 PM

Rich Lowry at NRO:

We’re hearing it now cuts $917 billion over ten years under the more recent CBO baseline. So under $1 trillion. On the other hand, the cuts are apparently more front-loaded: $20 billion in real cuts in the first year.

They aren’t real cuts.

When will the lies stop?!?

fossten on July 27, 2011 at 5:10 PM

Apparently Rush thinks that the Republicans should stop sending up plans because they are competing with themselves. I agree, make them bring back CCB.

Cindy Munford on July 27, 2011 at 5:10 PM

Or hold the line, as the Democrats do, and demand the left cave for once.

amerpundit on July 27, 2011

I understand the sentiment. But do we want to be like Pelosi Democrats that break laws and stretch the rules beyond recognition to pass things everyone hates?

JonPrichard on July 27, 2011 at 5:10 PM

With the public irate seeing their savings accounts collapse, do you really think that then Republicans are going to have leverage? I can tell you that with a compliant media it ain’t gonna be the Democrats and Obama getting blamed for that. And then you can kiss the 2012 election goodbye. Four more years of Obama. Yeaaaaaa.

JohnInCA on July 27, 2011 at 5:07 PM

We’re out of money John. We’re borrowing 40 cents of every dollar we spend. The Boehner plan doesn’t change that fact even a little bit.

If we can’t stop it now – we’ll never stop it – and we WILL default eventually – maybe your kids can deal with it so you won’t have to?

Is that what American “manhood” has become? Shovelling your failures off on your kids?

HondaV65 on July 27, 2011 at 5:11 PM

The next time I read this silly statement from establishment shills that “The GOP controls ONE FREAKING house”, I will go ballistic!!!

If we control ONLY one House as you all keep blabbing, then why the hell are we the ones proposing plan upon plan? The Boy King you are deriding and his Senate, who control two, don’t seem to care about the downgrade/default because they have proposed zilch plans!

They appear to be a lot smarter because they have kept their caucus largely unified, their Senate candidates free from taking any hard votes, and have NOT betrayed their base.

Tell me exactly what Obama/Dems lose in the Boehner proposal? Meaningless cuts to increases in the budget? Obamacare, Govt. agencies, etc… untouched? No cap on spending? No balanced budget amendment?

Don’t get us more pissed off than we are already!

TheRightMan on July 27, 2011 at 5:04 PM

And if I hear one more supposed conservative say “Where’s Obama’s plan” I will go ballistic. Do you not realize what he is doing here? It’s the freakin’ birth certificate all over again. He’s playing hide-and-seek with a plan until people are shrieking for it, and then he’ll put one out — with some dramatic looking cuts and massive tax increases — and everyone will scream “Pass it! Pass it! Pass it!” and if the House refuses, well by golly they were begging for a plan, but they didn’t really want a “solution” at all, now did they?

Sheesh. Watching Obama and the dems play everyone is so freakin’ depressing.

Rational Thought on July 27, 2011 at 5:11 PM

I understand the sentiment. But do we want to be like Pelosi Democrats that break laws and stretch the rules beyond recognition to pass things everyone hates?

JonPrichard on July 27, 2011 at 5:10 PM

I want to do something to save this nation Jon … you don’t have a plan for that.

HondaV65 on July 27, 2011 at 5:11 PM

fossten on July 27, 2011 at 5:10 PM

Do you think they know we are on to them?

Cindy Munford on July 27, 2011 at 5:12 PM

HondaV65 on July 27, 2011 at 5:07 PM

That’s because some fine day when the GOP controls the White House and every single seat in Congress, and the leftist media has had an epiphany about bipartisanship reporting, they will consider perhaps doing what their constituents demand.

Until then the plan is to whine “This is all we can do!” and get back to polishing the demorat’s boots and enjoying the perks of office.

Bishop on July 27, 2011 at 5:12 PM

I understand the sentiment. But do we want to be like Pelosi Democrats that break laws and stretch the rules beyond recognition to pass things everyone hates?

JonPrichard on July 27, 2011 at 5:10 PM

I’d rather stretch rules now than destroy the nation through debt later.

amerpundit on July 27, 2011 at 5:12 PM

Look I really see two choices due our weak GOP

default now, and deal with the problem and force budget cuts and push for a balance budget amendment. Make this issue.

OR

default later, when we are completely out of options and ecnomony, nation, and way of life are change beyond what we know today.

We should not back the weak horse, force the default. We need to stand on prinicipals. This is the time, this is the place. Don’t give up, FIGHT!

Oil Can on July 27, 2011 at 5:06 PM

Force a default? And then what? Like Obama and the Dems will cave? We’re dealing with hardcore Marxist ideologues here. They’ll let the whole economy crash and burn if it means passing the buck to the Republicans.

Doughboy on July 27, 2011 at 5:13 PM

Republicans go spelunking again.

Rightyismighty on July 27, 2011 at 5:13 PM

Looking forward to seeing how this plays out.

House passes Ryan plan.
House passes CCB.
House passes Boehner plan.

Senate rejects all of them.
Senate rejects Reid plan.

President whines.

Who are the adults in this room?

hawksruleva on July 27, 2011 at 5:14 PM

Doughboy on July 27, 2011 at 5:04 PM

sorry but that is the thinking of the defeated minority. Yes we have the senate and Obama to deal with. We can’t get anything done without them…..

So freaking what?

on the flip side Obama and the dems can’t get anything done without the GOP house.

Obama and the dems in the senate need to come to the gop to get anything done. So far since Nov 2010 the gop establishment is still acting like the minority. screw Obama and the dems the gop controls the entire governemnt and if the dems and Obama do not compromise NOTHING will get done. The GOP is so afriad of fighting and bringing the gov to a standstill they continue to cede ground to Obama and the dems. Screw it either the gop establishment will use the power it has or it will be destoryed.

there is no such thing as saving politcal capital. politcal capital not used is lost.

unseen on July 27, 2011 at 5:14 PM

If this was a football game, this would be like Coach Boehner ordering his team, late in the game, to punt into the end zone, although the winning touchdown is within reach–and then telling his team that the game that really counts is scheduled for next season.

Emperor Norton on July 27, 2011 at 5:14 PM

And by “stretch rules” I mean the rules of the political game (ie, Republicans are just supposed to fold). Not law breaking.

amerpundit on July 27, 2011 at 5:15 PM

I understand the sentiment. But do we want to be like Pelosi Democrats that break laws and stretch the rules beyond recognition to pass things everyone hates?

JonPrichard on July 27, 2011 at 5:10 PM

Our government is using Enron-style accounting. The hell with the rules; there are none.

fossten on July 27, 2011 at 5:15 PM

The Tea Party (which isn’t really a party, right?) has had amazing impact on our government already. Now don’t F it up by being greedy and stupid. The big fight is November of next year. Tear the GOP down now, and you get BHO until 2016, along with the next great depression.

Sugar Land on July 27, 2011 at 4:47 PM

I believe they are tearing down the GOP themselves. How they thought they could get away with a meaningless bill after the last election is beyond me. When I say the last election I am also counting all the down ticket wins in the States. How do you ignore those results and play politics as usual? I am not tearing the GOP down, they are telling me I am not wanted!

bluemarlin on July 27, 2011 at 5:15 PM

Force a default? And then what? Like Obama and the Dems will cave? We’re dealing with hardcore Marxist ideologues here. They’ll let the whole economy crash and burn if it means passing the buck to the Republicans.

Doughboy on July 27, 2011 at 5:13 PM

We won’t have to default. But when checks stop showing up at the houses of the large minority of Americans who live on the gov’t dole, there will be riots, just like in Greece.

You think the “I want my Obama money” people care if creditors get paid? You think the UAW cares about bondholders?

The big question is- how would Obama handle those riots? And I don’t think anyone wants to see the answer.

hawksruleva on July 27, 2011 at 5:16 PM

fossten on July 27, 2011 at 5:10 PM

Actually that’s a plan I can live with, $1 trillion in cuts over ten years while PBHO is on target to spend four times that next year alone.

Then again I routinely run over my Harley’s with a front-end loader just so I can use my credit card to buy new ones; keeps things interesting.

Bishop on July 27, 2011 at 5:16 PM

Force a default? And then what? Like Obama and the Dems will cave? We’re dealing with hardcore Marxist ideologues here. They’ll let the whole economy crash and burn if it means passing the buck to the Republicans.

Doughboy on July 27, 2011 at 5:13 PM

This, my friends, is a classic example of someone going wobbly.

Pay attention, class.

fossten on July 27, 2011 at 5:17 PM

While I agree with you wholeheartedly, it is important to remember that the first order of business is to win back the WH and the Senate.

db on July 27, 2011 at 5:10 PM

and how are we going to do that by caving to everything Obama demands?

unseen on July 27, 2011 at 5:17 PM

Actually that’s a plan I can live with, $1 trillion in cuts over ten years while PBHO is on target to spend four times that next year alone.

Then again I routinely run over my Harley’s with a front-end loader just so I can use my credit card to buy new ones; keeps things interesting.

Bishop on July 27, 2011 at 5:16 PM

Except they really aren’t cuts. The Congress can change any and all of those cuts next year. The only thing set in stone is the debt ceiling increase that Obama gets to go wank off with starting at the word ‘go.’

fossten on July 27, 2011 at 5:18 PM

Ok. Ryan’s plan didn’t pass and neither did CCB. Neither of those had a come back to life date of April 2012, something the dems do not want.

Why don’t we wait and see how they react if this passes the House?

Vince on July 27, 2011 at 5:18 PM

“If we were on a lifeboat and I had to cut your hand off with a Swiss Army Knife because it was gangrenous, that would be an evil but it would negate the greater evil of letting you die a long and awful death.
Akzed on July 27, 2011 at 4:33 PM”

Oh please, not the gangrenous hand amputation in the life boat cliche. This parable is not applicable in this situation. The Sad Sack Repubs could have done better, but are too inept.

JimP on July 27, 2011 at 5:20 PM

Force a default? And then what? Like Obama and the Dems will cave? We’re dealing with hardcore Marxist ideologues here. They’ll let the whole economy crash and burn if it means passing the buck to the Republicans.

Doughboy on July 27, 2011 at 5:13 PM

And do you think when we owe $20 trillion it’s going be any better. It’s over, we need to deal while we still have options or we be Mexico or worse. And our cash saving in the bank will be completely de-valued and will have NO CASH. And we would have 25% employment if we are lucky.

There is no other country currency to run to,. Social Security checks will be cut. But he will have to agree to cuts. Take control the dialogue. We need to force cuts now! That’s something the markets and rating agencies will look positive.

Crap, if the GOP was running the Revolution, I would be toasting to Queen Elizabeth this morning.

Oil Can on July 27, 2011 at 5:20 PM

You’ve just predicted that the GOP MUST ALWAYS CAVE, because the media will never side with them.

How’s that gonna work?

fossten on July 27, 2011 at 5:09 PM

Good point, but if we know that it doesn’t mean we have to give them the gun to shoot us with. If we pass Boehner, throw it in the dems lap and when the economy still sucks in 2012 (which it will) they will own it and can’t blame Republicans. They alone will own it.

If we “hold the line” and the market collapses we just became co-equal partners in a crappy economy with Obama come 2012. We took our biggest card off the table: the ability to blame Obama solely for the economy. Even Debbie Wasserman-Shulz says that right now the Dems own the economy. Why co-own it with them? That is throwing Obama a lifeline just when he needs it most.

JohnInCA on July 27, 2011 at 5:20 PM

screw the gop establishment they are as bad as the dems.

unseen on July 27, 2011 at 5:20 PM

All I know is this.

We can solve the budget battle … pass CCB or go into default.

I really don’t care who gets the blame for the default – there’s NO WAY that Congress will be able to get around making the necessary cuts to programs. If the debt ceiling isn’t raised – they can’t get the money. If they don’t get the money – they’ll be FORCED into cutting spending.

And that … my friends … is the ONLY way that we save this nation. If they can’t do it now – they won’t do it later – they’ll let this plane crash before they cut spending. You will get debt ceiling increase after increase – until the balloon pops.

Probably right over kid’s heads.

If you’re a coward – that’s good for you, it’s not for me though. We caused this mess and I’ll be damned if I’m going to leave it my kids to default and pick up the pieces and put them back together – and under worse circumstances than we currently experience.

I don’t care if it’s the death of the GOP – it’ll be the death of overspending … and that might save this Republic for my kids and yours.

The real men will sally and hold the line.

HondaV65 on July 27, 2011 at 5:21 PM

We were told during obamacare the big fight would be in Nov of 2010, we won. then we were told the big fight would be over the budget. the speaker caved saying it was not the time to fight the fight will be over the debt limit, the debt limit comes and the speaker caves. Now they are saying the big fight will be over the Nov 2012 elections. How stupid do they really think we are?

unseen on July 27, 2011 at 4:54 PM

Exactly right! John Boehner ALWAYS caves and then says he’s going to make the next issue his BIG FIGHT. He’s incapable of leading the fight because he’s too afraid of getting hit.

Perhaps that’s why he was released from the military before he even finished bootcamp – they kept finding him in the barracks curled up in the fetal position and crying like a baby.

Mahdi on July 27, 2011 at 5:21 PM

Or hold the line, as the Democrats do, and demand the left cave for once.

amerpundit on July 27, 2011

I understand the sentiment. But do we want to be like Pelosi Democrats that break laws and stretch the rules beyond recognition to pass things everyone hates?

JonPrichard on July 27, 2011 at 5:10 PM

You know what? Shut Up.

I’ve been watching your squish posts for long enough. You’re a coward, you’re afraid to stand up for what you know is right, and you’re willing to follow establishment morons from your own party over a fiscal cliff.

CUTS IN FUTURE SPENDING ARE NOT CUTS you idiot…..they’re not even enforcable.

Just please….STFU.

Tim_CA on July 27, 2011 at 5:21 PM

except the CCB actually has some REAL cuts in it.

HondaV65 on July 27, 2011 at 4:54 PM

Yes, we should have made our stand on CCB, and IMV it was a mistake to start negotiating against ourselves. But now that the Speaker’s bill is out there and Reid has his in the Senate, I guess I’d hold my nose, gag, and vote for it.

Trump is right. We are terrible negotiators.

petefrt on July 27, 2011 at 5:22 PM

Why don’t we wait and see how they react if this passes the House?

Vince on July 27, 2011 at 5:18 PM

Right – because the third time’s a charm? LOL

HondaV65 on July 27, 2011 at 5:23 PM

Lets pass 101 different plans through the house and wait for Reid to pick one of those that he likes? I guess that is the real plan?

Resolute on July 27, 2011 at 5:25 PM

Trump is right. We are terrible negotiators.

petefrt on July 27, 2011 at 5:22 PM

The CCB’s still there – we can still say that’s the plan and if the Dims don’t want it – they can default.

Simple.

And – I’m not fearful of a default. I’m saying that as a man who’s livliehood comes from a military retirement check and I work in the civil service. My life will be turned upside down if we default – but I’m willing to go through it for the sake of this nation.

I’m not sure what excuse the “cavers” have here for not wanting to fight.

I think they are cowards really.

HondaV65 on July 27, 2011 at 5:26 PM

Right – because the third time’s a charm? LOL

HondaV65 on July 27, 2011 at 5:23 PM

Are my comments going over your head? Neither Ryan’s bill nor the CCB had a come back to life date in 2012. They revised their strategy and put one in this bill. Pretty smart.

I don’t care if it passes or not. I want to massacre the dems in the 2012 election so we can have a long term fix to our problems. If this doesn’t pass the Senate, make room for me at your table. If it passes, I’m still at your side in April 2012.

Vince on July 27, 2011 at 5:30 PM

Breaking debt ceiling news:

Just keep scrolling.

Emperor Norton on July 27, 2011 at 5:30 PM

fossten on July 27, 2011 at 5:18 PM

I don’t really care if the cuts are real or not, as long as Boney and the GOP don’t have to face unsettling articles from the leftist media, then I’m good with the plan.

Besides, the GOP promised and crossed their heart and pinky swore that soon, very soon, real cuts would occur. I can be patient for another ten years while the current crop of congressmen safely reach retirement.

Bishop on July 27, 2011 at 5:33 PM

I want to massacre the dems in the 2012 election so we can have a long term fix to our problems.

Vince on July 27, 2011 at 5:30 PM

First – how does killing enthusiasm in the base with an impotent bill result in GOP victory in 2012?

Second – how does GOP victory equate to less spending? It never has led to less spending – the GOP spends money at increasing levels each year – just like the Dims do – even when the GOP controls everything.

Ref 2000 to 2006 my friend … Medicare Part D, Amnesty, No Child Left Behind.

And now you expect me to believe that the same sad eunuchs who gave us all that woe – have seen the light.

Tell you what – I’ll support the Boehner plan if it’s the LAST thing he’ll do in Congress –

Get Boehner to RESIGN and you have my support.

HondaV65 on July 27, 2011 at 5:35 PM

I’m not sure what excuse the “cavers” have here for not wanting to fight.

I think they are cowards really.

HondaV65 on July 27, 2011 at 5:26 PM

Oh, give me a freakin’ break. You’re a real martyr, aren’t you? Real awesome that you’re so willing to hold the line for this. Even Democrats weren’t so stupid to overreach in 2007. They waited until they had complete control before cramming sh*t down our throats. But, I guess proving how bad-ass you are is worth more to you than actually being strategically smart.

Let me ask you: where can we effect more change, tinkering around the edges of this debt ceiling or winning the senate and presidency in 2012? Getting Obama out in 2012 is the most important thing we can do. You are not going to do that by blowing up the economy and becoming a co-equal partner in a crappy economy with Obama. You want to save this great nation, get Obama defeated in 2012. Or martyr yourself now on an ant hill and pat yourself on the back when Obama gets sworn in for a second term.

JohnInCA on July 27, 2011 at 5:37 PM

HondaV65 on July 27, 2011 at 5:21 PM

I understand your argument. I understand your passion.

I do not understand calling people idiots or cowards for not wanting to do exactly what you think is necessary.

Do you ever think about what would happen if we take the stand now, serious immediate cuts are made, and the economy tanks? Then, Obama and the media blame the mean GOP, dems win 2012 and take it all back? Would any of those cuts last? Would CC&B have a chance? NO!

There are some of us who believe that 2012 is more important. Without wins then (and I don’t mean any repubican in a storm…I mean solid fiscal conservatives), everything else is futile. That does not mean we are cowards, RINOs, or idiots. It means we have a different opinion than you do on what the best LONG TERM course of action is for this country.

I would love nothing more than to wave my magic wand over my pile of pixie dust while sitting on my pretty unicorn and make our debt/deficit go away with one bold move. It just ain’t gonna happen that way.

That doesn’t make me an idiot or a coward. It makes me a realist.

MississippiMom on July 27, 2011 at 5:37 PM

You know what? Shut Up.

I’ve been watching your squish posts for long enough. You’re a coward, you’re afraid to stand up for what you know is right, and you’re willing to follow establishment morons from your own party over a fiscal cliff.

CUTS IN FUTURE SPENDING ARE NOT CUTS you idiot…..they’re not even enforcable.

Just please….STFU.

Tim_CA on July 27, 2011

Actually I think cowardice is posting anonymously and taking stands that you will never have to defend in real life.

As for me, I’m a veteran who has put myself to hazard for my country, have built businesses, made payrolls, invented new technologies and put them in the marketplace and have faced life’s challenges squarely in the eye with a a glad and optimistic heart. I’ve been posting today rather counter to sentiments here at Hot Air and I hardly think that is squishy or at all cowardly.

One thing I will decidedly not do is STFU at the request of the likes of you.

JonPrichard on July 27, 2011 at 5:38 PM

Consider for a moment what would happen if after Aug. 2 there was no deal, Obama had nothing to sign and the sky didn’t fall. Imagine for a moment if by Aug. 6 there is no deal and the sky still hasn’t fallen.

Will that help or hurt Obama?

Obama is going to get his freaking crisis one way or another. Obama can not afford for Aug. 2 to come and go without a financial crisis he can use to blame Republicans for otherwise why the heck have all this freaking drama?!

JellyToast on July 27, 2011 at 5:39 PM

HondaV65 on July 27, 2011 at 5:32 PM

You shouldn’t be linking stories from conspiracy theory websites. It’s tacky.

KingGold on July 27, 2011 at 5:40 PM

and how are we going to do that by caving to everything Obama demands?

unseen on July 27, 2011 at 5:17 PM

Really? Really?!? What is Boehner supposed to do? Tell him either his signature or his brains are going to be on the bill? You have a very distorted view of reality.

db on July 27, 2011 at 5:40 PM

I’m not sure what excuse the “cavers” have here for not wanting to fight.

I think they are cowards really.

HondaV65 on July 27, 2011 at 5:26 PM

Yeah, Allen West is a real coward. So is Mike Pence. Or maybe they are just strategically not nearly as short-sighted as you.

JohnInCA on July 27, 2011 at 5:41 PM

The CCB’s still there – we can still
HondaV65 on July 27, 2011 at 5:26 PM

Indeed it is. That’s what we should have done in the first place, “say that’s the plan and if the Dims don’t want it – they can default.”

But IMV Boehner screwed that option when he started negotiating against himself with a new bill. He screwed that option because his proposing another bill created a whole new set of consequences, not the least of which are a split caucus and vulnerability to blame casting in the 2012 campaign.

And – I’m not fearful of a default.

HondaV65 on July 27, 2011 at 5:26 PM

Yep, my bet is Øbama would pull the 14th Amendment ploy before he tried default.

petefrt on July 27, 2011 at 5:41 PM

First – how does killing enthusiasm in the base with an impotent bill result in GOP victory in 2012?

Second – how does GOP victory equate to less spending? It never has led to less spending – the GOP spends money at increasing levels each year – just like the Dims do – even when the GOP controls everything.

Ref 2000 to 2006 my friend … Medicare Part D, Amnesty, No Child Left Behind.

And now you expect me to believe that the same sad eunuchs who gave us all that woe – have seen the light.

HondaV65 on July 27, 2011 at 5:35 PM

I see where you’re coming from now. Red State! Erik Erickson! You want a third party because you’ve had bad experiences in the past.

I like the general idea but throwing wave after wave of troops to be slaughtered in one battle is not the way to do it.

Vince on July 27, 2011 at 5:42 PM

Even Democrats weren’t so stupid to overreach in 2007. They waited until they had complete control before cramming sh*t down our throats. But, I guess proving how bad-ass you are is worth more to you than actually being strategically smart.

JohnInCA on July 27, 2011 at 5:37 PM

John…what EXACTLY are we trying to CRAM DOWN peoples throats.

Are you aware of the positive polling on CCB?? Comparing this to Pelosi is a strawman that doesn’t play here.

Don’t insult people with a spine for sticking to their principles.

Don’t slap our midterm converts by pissing on their wishes…they voted (in droves) for fiscal sanity.

I am getting so friggin’ tired of establishment squishes….thought that this was a Conservative site.

Tim_CA on July 27, 2011 at 5:43 PM

I understand your argument. I understand your passion.

I do not understand calling people idiots or cowards for not wanting to do exactly what you think is necessary.

MississippiMom on July 27, 2011 at 5:37 PM

LOL – it’s not what I “think” is necessary – it’s what has to happen.

We are spending FORTY PERCENT more than we earn. Every day we go deeper into the hole.

Our kids will have to deal with this – if we don’t. That is a fact.

Sooo … for anyone who wants to cave on this – yes, I do hold the opinion that they are cowards – because they know the stakes here and yet still wish to pass this off to their children to fix.

I will not do that.

This is not Johnston’s retreat to Atlanta. That’s why Johnston kept retreating … because he wanted a better day to fight …

It never came and his army lost in an embarrassing defeat at the gates of Atlanta.

He would have been better in fighting rather than retreating.

That’s what’s happening here.

Passing the buck to our kids – while rationalizing that we’re doing all we can.

I’m sorry – I’m not drinking that kool aide.

HondaV65 on July 27, 2011 at 5:43 PM

Sellouts.

molonlabe28 on July 27, 2011 at 5:43 PM

One thing I will decidedly not do is STFU at the request of the likes of you.

JonPrichard on July 27, 2011 at 5:38 PM

Amen.

Vince on July 27, 2011 at 5:44 PM

I see where you’re coming from now. Red State! Erik Erickson! You want a third party because you’ve had bad experiences in the past.

I like the general idea but throwing wave after wave of troops to be slaughtered in one battle is not the way to do it.

Vince on July 27, 2011 at 5:42 PM

Who the hell’s been slaughtered? We haven’t even sent in one wave yet.

You’re acting like some battle has been fought – none has! We’ve caved and retreated every time!

HondaV65 on July 27, 2011 at 5:44 PM

Why should Conservatives vote for Republicans, they are largely useless to us.

Let the Republicans fight for the middle 20% of voters that they covet while the Tea Party takes the 40% on the right.

RJL on July 27, 2011 at 5:46 PM

Why should Conservatives vote for Republicans, they are largely useless to us.

Let the Republicans fight for the middle 20% of voters that they covet while the Tea Party takes the 40% on the right.

RJL on July 27, 2011 at 5:46 PM

Republicans have lost me. I just wrote my Congressman and told him, if he ever wants my vote again, he’d better make an open and VOCAL rev0lt against the house leadership.

I’m for going third party if we can’t whip this party into shape – and I don’t think we can.

HondaV65 on July 27, 2011 at 5:47 PM

Obama is going to get his freaking crisis one way or another. Obama can not afford for Aug. 2 to come and go without a financial crisis he can use to blame Republicans for otherwise why the heck have all this freaking drama?!

JellyToast on July 27, 2011 at 5:39 PM

Yep. Hope Boehner and the gang fully realize this and strategerize accordingly.

Boehner strikes me as a very decent man and a patriot. But I worry he doesn’t know how to play lefty (Alinsky) hardball.

petefrt on July 27, 2011 at 5:48 PM

I’m for going third party if we can’t whip this party into shape – and I don’t think we can.

HondaV65 on July 27, 2011 at 5:47 PM

Welcome to Obama’s 2nd term….

db on July 27, 2011 at 5:49 PM

Who the hell’s been slaughtered? We haven’t even sent in one wave yet.

You’re acting like some battle has been fought – none has! We’ve caved and retreated every time!

HondaV65 on July 27, 2011 at 5:44 PM

I see my comments are still going over your head. I didn’t say we had already sent the troops to be slaughtered, I said that is what you are advocating.

Vince on July 27, 2011 at 5:50 PM

I see where you’re coming from now. Red State! Erik Erickson!

Vince on July 27, 2011 at 5:42 PM

Considering what a jackass he’s been throughout this whole affair, I’m actually quite pleased that Mr. Erickson shot himself in the foot with Jim Jordan’s weak gambit.

He wanted to undercut Boehner’s plan and ended up strengthening it to its limits.

KingGold on July 27, 2011 at 5:50 PM

First – thank you for your service.

Second – you are the ultimate Republican Establishment Squish. You know what’s right….but you take the lazy way out.

For all of your success….did you consistently “compromise” with competitors? Did you put know-nothing-hacks whose only interest was maintaining the status quo in charge of your companies?

Why not? It would have been easier. No stands to take….no hassle.

Your hypocricy is amazing.

Tim_CA on July 27, 2011 at 5:51 PM

I am getting so friggin’ tired of establishment squishes….thought that this was a Conservative site.

Tim_CA on July 27, 2011 at 5:43 PM

Oh, jeez. Establishment squishes, blah, blah, blah. Get something new.

CCB can not pass and you know it. I wish it could, but it can’t. It can, though, if we have a republican president and a republican senate elected in 2012. Or, demand it now and get Obama re-elected.

So, play this thing out for me. Seriously, what do you see happening? Defeat Boehner’s bill. OK, awesome. Now, trace out the next four or five steps that don’t end in strategic failure for the GOP. Go ahead.

And please try to be realistic, not some fantasy scenario that you have play out in your head where everyone suddenly switches sides to the GOP when the market tanks and their 401k’s evaporate.

JohnInCA on July 27, 2011 at 5:52 PM

LOL – it’s not what I “think” is necessary – it’s what has to happen.
HondaV65 on July 27, 2011 at 5:43 PM

No, it is what you believe “has to happen”. You believe that we have to blow everything up now, right now, right this very mili-second or nothing ever, ever, ever will be done about it.

That type of absolutism will not solve the problems that we face.

Can you recognize that the majority of people here want to make serious cuts and reductions in both the size and scope of the federal government? Just because we disagree with you on how that best happens does not mean that we want to pass the problems on to our kids.

MississippiMom on July 27, 2011 at 5:54 PM

sorry…forgot the context:

Actually I think cowardice is posting anonymously and taking stands that you will never have to defend in real life.

As for me, I’m a veteran who has put myself to hazard for my country, have built businesses, made payrolls, invented new technologies and put them in the marketplace and have faced life’s challenges squarely in the eye with a a glad and optimistic heart. I’ve been posting today rather counter to sentiments here at Hot Air and I hardly think that is squishy or at all cowardly.

One thing I will decidedly not do is STFU at the request of the likes of you.

JonPrichard on July 27, 2011 at 5:38 PM

First – thank you for your service.

Second – you are the ultimate Republican Establishment Squish. You know what’s right….but you take the lazy way out.

For all of your success….did you consistently “compromise” with competitors? Did you put know-nothing-hacks whose only interest was maintaining the status quo in charge of your companies?

Why not? It would have been easier. No stands to take….no hassle.

Your hypocricy is amazing.

Tim_CA on July 27, 2011 at 5:51 PM

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Tim_CA on July 27, 2011 at 5:55 PM

Clearly, John Boehner is completely out of his league when it comes to playing hardball with avowed Communists and Marxists like Obama, Reid, and Pelosi. The young bucks in the Republican Caucus need to literally storm Boehner’s office and physically remove him. Thereafter, one of them should assume the Speaker’s Office until they can gather and appoint a new House Speaker.

They need to run Cantor out of Office too. He’s as weak and pathetic as Boehner.

Mahdi on July 27, 2011 at 5:58 PM

Your hypocricy is amazing.

Tim_CA on July 27, 2011 at 5:51 PM

You don’t know that he’s a hypocrite so why say that. It sounds like he agrees with a different strategy than you do, as do I.

Why don’t you wait to see what happens with Boehner’s bill. I think he’s on the right track. FINALLY!

Vince on July 27, 2011 at 5:58 PM

The question I have is this…..will this deal be an incremental change in the way Washington works or is it more of the same? IF this deal is an actual change for the better because of the Tea Party influence, then I can holkd on.

My gut tells me that the establishment GOP, the dems, and the POTUS, pushed this until the last minute to forced the Tea Party caucus into a spot where they can make them the bad guy as this plays out. I say if that is the case, we push this past the deadline and take whatever outcome as a result. If the Tea Party takes it in the shorts, so be it. The GOP, dems, and POTUS will continue their behavior and the Tea Party can come back later even stronger.

csdeven on July 27, 2011 at 6:00 PM

Oh, jeez. Establishment squishes, blah, blah, blah. Get something new.

CCB can not pass and you know it. I wish it could, but it can’t. It can, though, if we have a republican president and a republican senate elected in 2012. Or, demand it now and get Obama re-elected.

So, play this thing out for me. Seriously, what do you see happening? Defeat Boehner’s bill. OK, awesome. Now, trace out the next four or five steps that don’t end in strategic failure for the GOP. Go ahead.

And please try to be realistic, not some fantasy scenario that you have play out in your head where everyone suddenly switches sides to the GOP when the market tanks and their 401k’s evaporate.

JohnInCA on July 27, 2011 at 5:52 PM

Sorry genius….nothing so fancy…this was blown by your boy boner and his establishment pals right from the gitgo.

Your boy backed down inmmediately on CCB instead of revising and resending it…..over and over…like the dem’s would have done.

The bill had majority public support, complete house support and had even made some headway in the senate.

THAT should have been the starting point for continued negotiations.

Not a new watered down bill designed to give hacks on both sides of the aisle political cover.

I don’t live in fantasy land skippy….I live in reality land.

Tim_CA on July 27, 2011 at 6:01 PM

Agreed – keep focus – DEFEAT THE RINOS IN 2012!!

HondaV65 on July 27, 2011 at 5:08 PM

While I agree with you wholeheartedly, it is important to remember that the first order of business is to win back the WH and the Senate.

db on July 27, 2011 at 5:10 PM

Nope, the FIRST order of business is to KICK every RINO out of leadership, then we can worry about taking back the WH and Senate.

I’ve said it before: if the Establishment thinks the conservative base is going to do the donkey work and hand over power to the likes of Romney, Boehner and McConnell so they can turn around and tell us to get our a— in line, then they got something coming. That dog won’t bite.

Let’s see what the Good Book says in Luke 16:10:

If you are faithful in little things, you will be faithful in large ones. But if you are dishonest in little things, you won’t be honest with greater responsibilities.

TheRightMan on July 27, 2011 at 6:03 PM

Why don’t you wait to see what happens with Boehner’s bill. I think he’s on the right track. FINALLY!

Vince on July 27, 2011 at 5:58 PM

We’ll both have to wait unfortunately Vince. I wish you were right….but I know you’re wrong – just like boner has been through this whole mess.

Tim_CA on July 27, 2011 at 6:03 PM

steebo77 on July 27, 2011 at 5:08 PM

Me thinks that Lowery doesn’t know the meaning of front loaded. 917 billion in ten years is 91.7 billion a year. Cutting 20 billion the first year isn’t front loaded unless you come from Bizarro’s universe.

chemman on July 27, 2011 at 6:04 PM

Was it really so hard for them to demand a floor vote and public debate on Cut, Cap and Balance first? Force them to at least publicly vote on it instead of spitting in your face and tabling the only true reform. A lot of us tea party hobbits, or whatever they are calling us, would have been pleased had you shown some intestinal fortitude first and then passed your little political punt afterwards.

It’s tabled. Why the came back with this is so they can have another go in April.

Vince on July 27, 2011 at 5:00 PM

This is the second time the “real fight” has been kicked down the road. A bloody fight over CCB now would have made it all the more potent next year. As it stand, I don’t think there are enough Republicans in Congress serious about it who are willing to stake their political future on it.

Daemonocracy on July 27, 2011 at 6:05 PM

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