Quotes of the day

posted at 10:51 pm on July 27, 2011 by Allahpundit

“A seasoned House Republican lawmaker, speaking on the condition of anonymity, told The Hill that the vote on Boehner’s proposal is a ‘vote of confidence in the Speaker.’

“‘This is the first time that we’re almost in a parliamentary position in that the president is sort of out of it, and this is now a situation where it’s a vote of confidence in the Speaker and so, if we don’t get it through, John is out of the picture,’ the source said.”

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“Representative Renee Ellmers of North Carolina said she came to Washington suspicious of Mr. Boehner. At Tea Party rallies before she was elected, she heard that he was part of the problem.

“‘When I got here I realized that wasn’t the case at all,’ she said. ‘I was told he wasn’t conservative. He is conservative, and that’s what I tell other people in our discussions. He has been great to all the freshmen.’”

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“The ‘just say no’ strategy is predicated on the assumption that, if no agreement is reached, the policy and political consequences of passing the President’s August 2nd deadline will place greater relative pressure on Democrats than on Republicans, and that this pressure difference will be so great that it causes the President and Senate Democrats to accede to policies they had previously rejected.

“I think this assumption is flawed for several reasons…

“A few vocal conservative Members have argued for months that default isn’t so bad, that they are willing to risk a cash crunch in early August, and that they don’t believe Secretary Geithner’s August 2nd deadline. This has been quite effective. It shifted the leverage and ensuing negotiations enough so that this week only the President is talking about tax increases and he sounds odd doing so. Markets and Washington alike are afraid that conservatives might actually tempt fate and prevent a debt limit increase, and that fear has created leverage to produce the current legislative situation.

“The downside of this tactic is that if the deadline passes without legislation, you can’t turn around and blame the other guy for whatever damage occurs in August. For months the President has been saying ‘August 2nd is a deadline,’ while a vocal faction of Republicans has been saying ‘No, it isn’t.’ If conservatives vote no, Congress does not act, and bad things happen after August 2nd, those Republicans will get the blame because they assigned it to themselves over the prior few months.”

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“The left has accused the Tea Party of wanting America to default on its debt obligations. Nothing could be further from the truth. The Tea Party wants America to stop incurring debt obligations and to cut back on the wasteful spending already in place.

“We in the Tea Party understand a basic concept that Washington has forgotten: When you are in a hole, quit digging. Every time we have approached the debt ceiling, we have been told the same thing: If we do not raise the debt limit, it will be the end of the world as we know it. A couple of years later, when we find ourselves facing the same crisis, we’re told the same thing…

“We can see Greece’s economy in its death spiral. That is our future if we do not stop out-of-control government spending and the borrowing to cover it.”

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“The ‘act like grown-ups’ invocation seems to come mostly from liberals. For instance, it was mostly lefties who tried to push a Twitter theme, ‘F***YouWashington’ (without the asterisks).

“Draped in nonpartisan pragmatism, this talk amounts to, shut up and give Obama what he wants. There’s nothing wrong with supporting Obama, but pretending that other viewpoints are illegitimate — or that robust debate counts as dithering — smells undemocratic.

“Our politicians are arguing, in part, because they disagree — not simply about how to cut our debt, but whether our debt is even a problem. And while the gravity of a government shutdown or possible default makes this debate scary, it’s better to debate debt, austerity and taxes before a crisis hits than after.”

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It means this is about long term strategy, rather than short-term gain. The Boehner plan keeps this discussion on the table through the election year. That is the single most important thing Obama does not want. This is why West, Ryan, et al have decided to stand by Boehner. The focus must be on November 2012. I support most (not all) of the TP, but one rout does not make a mandate. Patience and focus is necessary. On a side note, I condemn McCain for his elitist BS.

Connie on July 28, 2011 at 12:10 AM

Exactly!

Connie have you ever considered volunteering to be a moving target? (stand for elected office?)

Browncoatone on July 28, 2011 at 3:06 AM

That’s great, so Connie and, uh, Browncoat would rather game the system to win elections than keep promises made to the tea party. They wouldn’t be able to do anything right now without the tea party’s efforts, but they’re just going to give us the finger and go about their business of getting reelected time and time again.

But Connie and Browncoat, why should tea partiers vote for you guys? You don’t keep your promises.

FloatingRock on July 28, 2011 at 3:36 AM

What Would Scott Walker Do?

Oh, and don’t think I’m ghey, but I <3 Rand Paul.

El_Terrible on July 28, 2011 at 4:00 AM

Own Private Idaho

Geochelone on July 28, 2011 at 4:16 AM

That Rand Paul… a sharp cookie, and mighty principled to boot.

Must have studied politics at teh knee of a giant…

JohnGalt23 on July 28, 2011 at 4:19 AM

Yeah, Rand Paul has been great. Unlike West I’m very confident that Rand will remain steadfast.

FloatingRock on July 28, 2011 at 4:37 AM

Default, default, default. Our “thought leaders” sound like a bunch of chicken littles running around trying to scare everyone when it is “they” who are scared. Scared that they will actually be forced to make choices on with program is worthy, which Agency loses some funding, which non-existent Congressional District gets cut off…

They’re a bunch of narco junkies high on our tax monies…

Gohawgs on July 28, 2011 at 4:49 AM

If Boehner doesn’t want to use the debt ceiling leverage to cut real spending then I guess he doesn’t care if our credit rating is downgraded. It’s also obvious that the Democrats don’t care. The only group that has passed a bill that actually preserve our credit rating is the tea party. They are the only adults in the room.

So go ahead and blame Democrats and Republicans for playing fast and lose with our credit rating for political purposes. It’s true! Boehner, Reid and Obama aren’t even making a halfhearted attempt to cut real spending. Only the tea party is.

People may rightly blame D’s and R’s if they continue on their current path, but the tea party is not responsible, and even if the MSM blames us, they’ve been doing that all along and it hasn’t worked, has it? All we have to do is keep voting.

FloatingRock on July 28, 2011 at 4:53 AM

If D’s and R’s are both destroyed by this, the Tea Party should benefit from the refuges.

FloatingRock on July 28, 2011 at 4:55 AM

If the GOP can’t overcome the corruption and goes down in flames, sinking lower and lower, there’s no reason for the tea party to go down with the ship. We didn’t sink it.

FloatingRock on July 28, 2011 at 4:59 AM

…John is out of the picture

…and the downside of that is what?

Hongqi on July 28, 2011 at 6:03 AM

The American people were lied to about when default will happen. Remember that Obama predicted doom to happen much earlier than this and then Turbot Tax Tim found ‘ways’ to let us get past that. Mostly accounting tricks.

That is ‘fool me once, shame on you’ territory.

Now it is the second time around, and crying ‘Wolf! Wolf!’ is falling on deaf ears. Why? Do you really want to be fooled a second time?

There is a most basic level of trust that has been violated by Obama with the American people. Everything he says has an expiration date, and he has demonstrated that time and again. Again ‘Wolf! Wolf!’ is cried and the idea is: ‘OK, lets see what this Wolf looks like.’

Do you want a debt debate? Fine and dandy. Show the American people what happens when the federal government MUST live within its means. Once the rollbacks go into effect with Obama’s signature on each of them, everyone will know his direct intent towards this Nation signed by his own hand that cannot be walked back and these can only expire if the American people want to take on more debt. The campaign starts when the first part of government shuts down and it will allow enough time for everyone to see the effects, understand them and the man in charge of them.

That will get a debate about debt like nothing else on this planet will. Time to stop forecasting doom and despair as that is seen as fearmongering. Time to face up to the fear, size it up, see what it means and DEAL WITH IT. That is what the debate will be about, right? Not about airy predictions of disaster but the thing itself. Blame will fall on DC and those in power will attempt to shove such blame on whoever they think is a convenient scapegoat. There will be a small cadre that says: this is what that doom looks like, now we must deal with it by being responsible adults.

Will the American people listen to those pointing fingers who are also the ones crying ‘Wolf!’ so many times its not funny?

Or those wanting a reasoned debate and some actual action that can help us deal with a smaller government on a personal basis?

Are YOU PREPARED for that latter one? Because if you haven’t then YOU are part of the problem. I prefer to be part of the solution and point out the way out is through frugality, austerity and living within your means. We’ve had a number of years of that out here beyond the beltway, now it must be driven home INSIDE IT like nobody’s business. Let’s have that debt debate with the results at hand, and if it is anything LESS THAN DOOMSDAY the elites lose and the level-headed, practical people win.

ajacksonian on July 28, 2011 at 6:22 AM

Time to Tea Party “up” and Republican “out” (the mooches will never leave the Plantation party a.k.a. Democrats)…

Khun Joe on July 28, 2011 at 6:23 AM

Are YOU PREPARED for that latter one? Because if you haven’t then YOU are part of the problem. I prefer to be part of the solution and point out the way out is through frugality, austerity and living within your means. We’ve had a number of years of that out here beyond the beltway, now it must be driven home INSIDE IT like nobody’s business. Let’s have that debt debate with the results at hand, and if it is anything LESS THAN DOOMSDAY the elites lose and the level-headed, practical people win.

ajacksonian on July 28, 2011 at 6:22 AM

That is so well said. The argument I’ve been having with people in my local liberal rag is that dependence on government is SLAVERY. If you depend on others to keep your boat afloat, then you are a slave to those people and their goodwill and ability to support you.

I live in a very liberal college town with a Wegman’s supermarket. Now, for anyone with experience in a Wegman’s, they have managed the impressive feat of both appealing to high earners with snob brands and offerings and meeting the budget needs of low income families. Outside of cleaning products, I cannot buy any food item cheaper at WalMart than I can at Wegmans. Frequently at Wegmans I see women shopping with food stamps who normally would be embarrassed and shop in the middle of the night. Instead, they are there with their name brand infant carrier, talking with friends about trips and paying for a large portion of their groceries with other people’s money. Think about that. The complete lack of shame in that act is astonishing to me and I’m only 44, so I’m not that much older than these women, but we are lightyears apart in our sense of honor and dignity.

I will do just about anything and give up everything to not hand this mess to my children. Bagging groceries and shoveling manure is not high on this college graduate’s list of chosen occupations, but the time has come to suck it up. We rode the wave along with the Boomers and we will have to sacrifice just like the Greatest Generation. This is our war.

piglet on July 28, 2011 at 7:15 AM

If the teaparty is rejected, then the american people who put them in to stop the runnaway spend will be rejected and with that in mind, you “Boehner’s save a penny plan, no matter what” folks think those folks will come running back to vote for the very GOP that just betrayed them?

Look for a serious third party (a GOP loss) brought on by their own hand. With some folks, like with some parties, there is never the right time to take a stand.

Don L on July 28, 2011 at 7:17 AM

Here is what is likely….

House passes Boehner 3.0.

Senate demagogues some more.

Kills the Boehner 3.0 bill along party lines.

Boehner faced with “disaster of the Unimagined” goes back to the GOP House and demands a clean $2 trillion debt ceiling vote.

The Clean vote passes the house with Dem support….

Obama gets what he wants, we get screwed.

PappyD61 on July 28, 2011 at 7:29 AM

Wasserman Schultz says the GOP is trying to form a dictatorship.

kingsjester on July 28, 2011 at 7:32 AM

Default, default, default. Our “thought leaders” sound like a bunch of chicken littles running around trying to scare everyone when it is “they” who are scared. Scared that they will actually be forced to make choices on with program is worthy, which Agency loses some funding, which non-existent Congressional District gets cut off…
They’re a bunch of narco junkies high on our tax monies…
Gohawgs on July 28, 2011 at 4:49 AM

It’s a bit more than that. It also means stiffing the businesses that have completed projects for the federal government and are awaiting payment. Driving them into bankruptcy by our inability to pay is a consequence of not preparing for the debit ceiling. It might be worth stopping the spending, but it is a consequence that shouldn’t be ignored.

Count to 10 on July 28, 2011 at 7:33 AM

We rode the wave along with the Boomers and we will have to sacrifice just like the Greatest Generation. This is our war.

piglet on July 28, 2011 at 7:15 AM

Well said. My parents came from that generation and taught me and my brothers about sacrifice, saving, etc. The flag that draped my father’s casket is over my mantle and is a reminder every day that we’re the last house on the block to save this country and to make sure their sacrifices weren’t in vain.

TxAnn56 on July 28, 2011 at 7:38 AM

PappyD61 on July 28, 2011 at 7:29 AM

I don’t think so. Boehner won’t go back to the trough again, he’s had too much opposition to this version.

This illustrates more than any other issue the divide between the Beltway crowd and the rest of the country. Rand Paul was quite right when he said going home and explaining why he voted to exponentially grow our debt was not going to fly with his constituents. The Beltway crowd doesn’t want to deal with immediately prioritizing our budget, but Americans understand that is how you get out of control spending in hand. Rand Paul should be in front of the cameras every minute of the day saying exactly what he said in that clip. It is that simple.

piglet on July 28, 2011 at 7:42 AM

kingsjester on July 28, 2011 at 7:32 AM

Have you heard back from canopfor?

OmahaConservative on July 28, 2011 at 7:56 AM

OmahaConservative on July 28, 2011 at 7:56 AM

The e-mail would not go through. His account is either down or turned off.

kingsjester on July 28, 2011 at 7:58 AM

kingsjester on July 28, 2011 at 7:58 AM

Uh-oh. That doesn’t sound good…

OmahaConservative on July 28, 2011 at 8:04 AM

Hope all is ok with Canopfor…..

cmsinaz on July 28, 2011 at 8:07 AM

Hope all is ok with Canopfor…..

cmsinaz on July 28, 2011 at 8:07 AM

Me, too.

kingsjester on July 28, 2011 at 8:11 AM

Prayers ascending for him. Some think he may be on vacation, but who deactivates their email for vacation?

OmahaConservative on July 28, 2011 at 8:15 AM

Hope all is ok with Canopfor…..

cmsinaz on July 28, 2011 at 8:07 AM

Me, too.

kingsjester on July 28, 2011 at 8:11 AM

This place hasn’t been the same without all of his links. Maybe he’s in the middle of moving?

TxAnn56 on July 28, 2011 at 8:20 AM

Good point OC

cmsinaz on July 28, 2011 at 8:23 AM

Hopefully, we’ll hear from him soon

cmsinaz on July 28, 2011 at 8:25 AM

Mornin’! I didn’t know something was going on with canopfor :( battling my brain and sinuses + family matters hasn’t been easy for this household. As a joke, Mr. PPF needs to take me for a trade-in in a straitjacket/

Now for the issue: Dear Rand Paul, please prepare your plan and have the CBO score it. Then everything will be dandy, k? Talk is cheap and we’ve heard enough of it for THREE years. Don’t need another one.

ProudPalinFan on July 28, 2011 at 8:29 AM

This place hasn’t been the same without all of his links. Maybe he’s in the middle of moving?

TxAnn56 on July 28, 2011 at 8:20 AM

Do you deactivate your email when you move? I don’t…
I am very concerned.

OmahaConservative on July 28, 2011 at 8:41 AM

I will do just about anything and give up everything to not hand this mess to my children. Bagging groceries and shoveling manure is not high on this college graduate’s list of chosen occupations, but the time has come to suck it up. We rode the wave along with the Boomers and we will have to sacrifice just like the Greatest Generation. This is our war.

piglet on July 28, 2011 at 7:15 AM

Yes it is.

I have been in poor health for years and didn’t know if I would have much of anything left of it back in 2004-05. Living in a land that isn’t exactly being awake or asleep, with my body going out on me and generally having an impossible time even thinking, I determined that I had to get out of that bad hole. I now have the house paid off, my last will drawn up, and have had time to read and write and finally begin some physical activity again. Then I realized just how dire the threat is to our Nation and our children. With modest means and just an hour or two of actual physical activity a day available to me, I have started learning new skills and brushing up and deepening old ones. Survival necessities were cheap, and now there is enough for about 18 months of pure disaster available, though a bit less on meds as they don’t keep as well.

To be a shelter to others I must be able to DO things of value. Any seeking shelter with me can do so for a short period to move on or a longer one so long as they wish to work and help others, too. That is this thing we call liberty. I am more than willing to exercise all my positive civil rights and can teach what I know for most of them, beyond basic tool use. If you cannot create you will not eat, that is the way of things in this world and charity has conditions on it, as well. If you want a free lunch, go to government and lose your will to be free. If you want to be and live free you must be willing to secure that freedom with your own hands and by your own means. That is the way it works, nothing else does for long.

ajacksonian on July 28, 2011 at 8:48 AM

OmahaConservative on July 28, 2011 at 8:41 AM

Dire was thinking computer problems but it’s been a long time for that. I am praying and hoping that he and the family are having the best vacation ever.

Cindy Munford on July 28, 2011 at 9:23 AM

This latest plan will be the last from the house. Reid will table it like he did CCB. The One will have to invoke 14th amendment to save the country and look like the white knight riding in at the last minute. We’ll think of the One as a tyrant dictator, but the left will love him for being strong. The game continues.

Kissmygrits on July 28, 2011 at 10:08 AM

Cindy Munford on July 28, 2011 at 9:23 AM

Me too, it has been almost a month already, right?

OmahaConservative on July 28, 2011 at 10:22 AM

This latest plan will be the last from the house. Reid will table it like he did CCB. The One will have to invoke 14th amendment to save the country and look like the white knight riding in at the last minute. We’ll think of the One as a tyrant dictator, but the left will love him for being strong. The game continues. Kissmygrits on July 28, 2011 at 10:08 AM

Or… Øbama could just spend less money. America’s trophy wife has maxxed out the credit cards.

Mojave Mark on July 28, 2011 at 10:22 AM

Ettu Renee?

Valiant on July 28, 2011 at 11:32 AM

Count me in on missing Canopfor and his incredible links. Hoping no news means good news and that he is just taking some HA time out.
Also count me in on enjoying this thread during a long night of sleeplessness. Disagreements and all….I heart Conservatives.

redwhiteblue on July 28, 2011 at 12:33 PM

The August 2 deadline called by Obama is because of his birthday 2 days later. That is how narcissistic liberals see things. He’ll be celebrating saving the world economy and his birthday at the same time. What a bash that will be. That is how narcissistic sociopaths think.

volsense on July 28, 2011 at 2:05 PM

it is a consequence that shouldn’t be ignored.

Count to 10 on July 28, 2011 at 7:33 AM

Agreed…But, a “default that isn’t” would force what passes for elected representatives of the People to take responsibility for their actions instead of skating on their inactions…

Gohawgs on July 28, 2011 at 2:17 PM

The August 2 deadline called by Obama is because of his birthday 2 days later. That is how narcissistic liberals see things. He’ll be celebrating saving the world economy and his birthday at the same time. What a bash that will be. That is how narcissistic sociopaths think.

volsense on July 28, 2011 at 2:05 PM

I’m wondering if it has something to do with Ramalamadingdong.

slickwillie2001 on July 28, 2011 at 2:20 PM

Hope all is ok with Canopfor…..

cmsinaz on July 28, 2011 at 8:07 AM

Me, too.

kingsjester on July 28, 2011 at 8:11 AM
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Concur, I hope all is well!

bluemarlin on July 28, 2011 at 11:38 PM

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