NYT discovers “drop-dead date” more like “get dizzy date”

posted at 8:45 am on July 27, 2011 by Ed Morrissey

This isn’t exactly a scoop.  Jake Tapper had it for ABC yesterday morning, and other news agencies had discussed the variables of the August 2nd so-called “drop-dead date” for a default of the US government on its debt.  Today the New York Times catches up, at least in part:

It turns out the federal government is sitting on some extra cash.

Thanks to an inflow of tax payments and maneuvering by the Treasury Department, the government can probably continue to pay all of its bills for several days after Aug. 2, providing potentially critical breathing room for Congress to raise the debt ceiling, according to estimates by several Wall Street banks and a Washington research organization.

The consensus is that the government will not run short of money until Aug. 10, when it would be unable to cut millions of Social Security checks without borrowing more money.

Even that is debatable.  It depends on what bills get paid and when they cut the checks.  There should be enough inflow to pay entitlements and military salaries without having to borrow money, although other federal government obligations will go unmet, creating a partial shutdown of the government.  Since those entitlement checks have to go out by law (they are not budgeted), they should take precedence over all other spending.

The irony here is that the administration Social Security funding is supposed to be self-sufficient.  The White House claimed that including Social Security in deficit reform was illegitimate since Social Security had its own revenue stream, and supposedly its own lockbox.  Unfortunately, that lockbox consists entirely of the same Treasury bonds that will push the US into default if interest payments aren’t met, and since the SSA is now running in the red, it has to start cashing some of those bonds to make the payments.  Treasury has to borrow money to pay off those bonds, which is why (a) this is a real problem in the current acute crisis, and (b) Social Security is far less secure than the White House and Democrats have led voters to believe.

All of this gives Washington — both ends of Capitol Hill — some much needed breathing room at the eleventh hour of the crisis.  But it’s probably not going to make much difference to the ratings agencies that have threatened a downgrade for weeks.  They have made clear that their concern is less about a temporary stop on the debt limit than the chronically high deficit spending and the coming entitlement collapses.  Absent a far-reaching deal that reforms federal government spending and shows promise of having the US pay off some of its debt in the foreseeable future, the downgrade will come even if the drop-dead date never arrives.

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Probably dragging this out because there’s a huge scandal waiting in the wings that they’re trying to cover up:

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_162-20083772-10391695.html

Good Lt on July 27, 2011 at 8:49 AM

Why is it whenever I read about the Debt Crisis™ I feel as if I am watching the last scene of “Thelma and Louise”?

NickDeringer on July 27, 2011 at 8:50 AM

So exactly what will Obama look and act like when we really do “get dizzy?”

NeighborhoodCatLady on July 27, 2011 at 8:50 AM

Fake crisis.

Scare the old folks, reassure the bankers.

Contemptible liars.

novaculus on July 27, 2011 at 8:50 AM

Oh joy, extra time for Obama to make people even more good and crazy than they already are with some more fear-mongering, while placing the blame for everything under the sun that he can get his mitts on on the Republicans.

pilamaye on July 27, 2011 at 8:50 AM

Go out and type in “debt ceiling” at Google and see how many “drop dead” dates come up in the year.

Smoke and mirrors……we’re being conned AGAIN (just like TARP/Stimulus 1 and 2, the AUTO Bailout/QE2, etc.).

If the won’t adopt the PAPPY PLAN……

1. Seal the border
2. 10% across the board spending cuts

….then what if they just RETURN TO THE LAST BUSH BUDGET?

a $400 billion dollar deficit compared to $1.6 Trillion? Why is it written in stone that Obama gets to keep all his overspending now?

UNLESS THE GOP IS IN ON THE DEAL and this is all just a Progressive show I don’t understand why this is so hard to understand or pass.

Go back to pre-Obama spending levels.

PappyD61 on July 27, 2011 at 8:51 AM

it’s the SPENDING stupid!!!

PappyD61 on July 27, 2011 at 8:52 AM

Obama has no intention of reducing spending and even has 134 billion in stimulus money to buy votes with.The debt ceiling will be raised but why not just give him 500 billion and say it has to make it to Jan 2013?

tim c on July 27, 2011 at 8:53 AM

I HATE THE STATE.

j_galt on July 27, 2011 at 8:53 AM

Aug. 10, when it would be unable to cut millions of Social Security checks without borrowing more money.

Hey, wasn’t there supposed to be a fund for that?

forest on July 27, 2011 at 8:53 AM

The consensus is that the government will not run short of money until Aug. 10, when it would be unable to cut millions of Social Security checks without borrowing more money.

Isn’t against the law to us SS tax money for anything except SS or buying bonds? Sounds like they plan to coast by using SS money without laundering it through bonds.

Count to 10 on July 27, 2011 at 8:54 AM

I don’t buy that they’ll run out of money after September 20th, much less in August. I don’t buy any of it.
At least when it comes to SS cks. Scaring seniors is a great plan, but it’s a lie. Not buying any of it.

bridgetown on July 27, 2011 at 8:55 AM

Why is it whenever I read about the Debt Crisis™ I feel as if I am watching the last scene of “Thelma and Louise”?
NickDeringer on July 27, 2011 at 8:50 AM

I’ve never actually seen it, be I know what you are talking about.

Count to 10 on July 27, 2011 at 8:56 AM

The US owes $1.2 trillion to itself because of QE. If it paid back itself that equals four months of revenue.

Viator on July 27, 2011 at 8:58 AM

This will give Obama cover to attend his Birthday Bash-N-Fundraiser on August 3rd

In other news, Big Mooch is on the loose in Utah

And…

In Aspen

WHO IS PAYING FOR THIS?

Key West Reader on July 27, 2011 at 8:59 AM

Are you trying to tell me that a tax cheat also lies? Shock me, shock me, shock me…

Fallon on July 27, 2011 at 9:00 AM

Treasury has to borrow money to pay off those bonds, which is why (a) this is a real problem in the current acute crisis, and (b) Social Security is far less secure than the White House and Democrats have led voters to believe.

.
LBJ sez: “Hey, if we raid the Social Security Trust Fund to increase the General Fund, we are only borrowing from ourselves, right? Right? RIGHT? Ah need they-at monah fo’ my waw!”

ExpressoBold on July 27, 2011 at 9:01 AM

Probably dragging this out because there’s a huge scandal waiting in the wings that they’re trying to cover up:

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_162-20083772-10391695.html

Good Lt on July 27, 2011 at 8:49 AM

And by CBS no less. Actually, I’ve printed every article they’ve published on Gunrunner, Gunwalker, Fast and Furious. I have two reams of published articles that they cannot scrub.

Key West Reader on July 27, 2011 at 9:01 AM

The US owes $1.2 trillion to itself because of QE. If it paid back itself that equals four months of revenue.
Viator on July 27, 2011 at 8:58 AM

QE? You mean the bonds that the Fed is holding? You do realize that that really would be printing money to pay for government spending, right?

Count to 10 on July 27, 2011 at 9:01 AM

It must not bother BHO and his minions to lie to our faces about this and any other situational crisis that arises. They are cooking up a scheme to raid our IRAs and 401Ks for some fast cash and promise a return of 3%. Current rates for T bills is .18% for a 1 year and l.5% for a 5 year. Only in the mind of the most economic genius president since FDR is this plan feasible. We must stop them here and expose them for the power hungry crooks they are.

Kissmygrits on July 27, 2011 at 9:01 AM

Palin was on the QOTD yesterday saying she doesn’t want to hike the debt limit. Have their been other such voices, and if so, what is their plan to pay our bills? A serious look at spending? Austerity? Shutdown?

Paul-Cincy on July 27, 2011 at 9:03 AM

The U.S. government — making Enron accounting standards look like an aspirational goal.

AZCoyote on July 27, 2011 at 9:04 AM

Let Obama spend the TARP money that’s still lying around. It will be fun to have him explain why the possibility that some banker, who might’ve overextended himself and run a little short of funds, is more important than grandma’s Social Security, heathcare, rent and food.

I really do want to see him explain that.

ss396 on July 27, 2011 at 9:05 AM

Since Boehner has to re-work his plan…. Bring a vote in the House to Defund Obama Care. That alone will produce $1T in immediate savings. Problem solved, Obama.

Your move.

Key West Reader on July 27, 2011 at 9:07 AM

Social Security is far less secure than the White House and Democrats have led voters to believe.

Add Republicans to this. All the Congress critters have been lying since the 1960 SCOTUS decision made it possible for them to comingle SS funds with general funds.

chemman on July 27, 2011 at 9:08 AM

Count to 10 on July 27, 2011 at 8:56 AM

I won’t spoil the ending for you. I will just say it involves a car and a cliff.

NickDeringer on July 27, 2011 at 9:08 AM

The consensus is that the government will not run short of money until Aug. 10, when it would be unable to cut millions of Social Security checks without borrowing more money.

But, but, Social Security money is in a trust fund, it’s in a lockbox, man! Congress told us so. Our Social Security is safe and fully funded, how can this be, how can this be?

obladioblada on July 27, 2011 at 9:09 AM

The various QE adventures, where the Fed buys US debt, should just be taken to the extreme… Have the Fed buy all of the US debt, and write it off as a bad investment. Total cost Zero dollars. It would be just an entry in a computer.

Dasher on July 27, 2011 at 9:09 AM

Kissmygrits on July 27, 2011 at 9:01 AM

The stealing of 401K/IRA’s is cooked into the system. It is the largest pot of available money still in the system.It is only a matter of time before they confiscate the pot. Hopefully at that point real tar and feathers become a viable option.

chemman on July 27, 2011 at 9:11 AM

But, but, Social Security money is in a trust fund, it’s in a lockbox, man! Congress told us so. Our Social Security is safe and fully funded, how can this be, how can this be?

obladioblada on July 27, 2011 at 9:09 AM

Hey, I’ll sell you this for $1.00!

For realz!

Key West Reader on July 27, 2011 at 9:12 AM

The consensus is that the government will not run short of money until Aug. 10, when it would be unable to cut millions of Social Security checks without borrowing more money.

But, but, Social Security money is in a trust fund, it’s in a lockbox, man! Congress told us so. Our Social Security is safe and fully funded, how can this be, how can this be?

obladioblada on July 27, 2011 at 9:09 AM

Cash flow from Social Security until 2010 was a net positive, it is now a little negative, but is still better than 95 percent covered by incoming revenue. So this too is a bogus claim by our “Never let a good crisis go to waste.” administration.

Dasher on July 27, 2011 at 9:13 AM

Time for the Tea Party… Enough of this nonsense…

Khun Joe on July 27, 2011 at 9:15 AM

Good Lt on July 27, 2011 at 8:49 AM

Idiots never learn. It’s not the crime, it’s the cover up. The F&F fiasco was dumb, but not all that far beyond the pale in terms of covert ops to trace criminal activity. Their incompetent, corrupt and stupid attempts to cover up their stupid blunders could well be their downfall.

MJBrutus on July 27, 2011 at 9:16 AM

In other news, Big Mooch is on the loose in Utah

And…

In Aspen

WHO IS PAYING FOR THIS?

Key West Reader on July 27, 2011 at 8:59 AM

I’m guessing this is a rhetorical question but her goes . . . WE ARE.

Lately, I have been thinking that this would be a good time for the right to compile a tally for the cost of every non-official function Obama has held at the White House.

Obviously, we are supposed to cover State Dinners but I think there have only been a handful of these since O took office. On the other hand, there have been weekly scheduled blow-outs with musicians (are they paid?) put on for O’s cronies and constituents that are not necessary.

Wonder if we could get some inside pics from folks who attended but are no longer enamored of the Os? Pair them up with some other lavish photos of Michelle in Spain, Aspen, other jaunts, and present the tab to the American people.

When was the last time you took a vacation? Sounds like a tag line to me.

Greyledge Gal on July 27, 2011 at 9:17 AM

Idiots never learn. It’s not the crime, it’s the cover up. The F&F fiasco was dumb, but not all that far beyond the pale in terms of covert ops to trace criminal activity. Their incompetent, corrupt and stupid attempts to cover up their stupid blunders could well be their downfall.

MJBrutus on July 27, 2011 at 9:16 AM

That’s a wonderful idea, but with the media on the side of the malefactors, there is pretty much no chance this will be allowed to be anyone’s downfall. The media only lets Republicans be this corrupt.

WesternActor on July 27, 2011 at 9:19 AM

So the NYT is admitting that Obama’s a liar and that we really do need Entitlement reform all in one article.

SouthernGent on July 27, 2011 at 9:22 AM

When was the last time you took a vacation? Sounds like a tag line to me.

Greyledge Gal on July 27, 2011 at 9:17 AM

Any GOP strategists out there listening?

Fallon on July 27, 2011 at 9:24 AM

Is anyone really surprised by this?

Obama/Dems sought to scare the GOP using a fictional August 2nd date. The only problem: Obama has a birthday bash on August 3rd, which he MUST attend!

Since it now looks likely that a deal might not be inked before August 3rd, hey presto! “Erm… we have extra money to go a little beyond August 2nd… but after that…”

I have one suggestion to make to any GOP staffer on this forum: Tell your bosses at the RNC to run ads calling on Obama to cancel his birthday bash and focus on the debt problem. He continues to party while America burns.

TheRightMan on July 27, 2011 at 9:25 AM

When you are an insane narcissist the August 2 date was picked in conjunction with Obama’s birthday on August 4. You will probably think that is insane. That is why I say that it is. Liberalism is a mental disorder and this happening in the same time frame just reinforces that fact.

volsense on July 27, 2011 at 9:26 AM

How long are the sheep in this country going to let these jokers lie to them before the wake up?

rplat on July 27, 2011 at 9:29 AM

My guess the longer this get’s dragged out in the media the more the shell game in D.C. get’s exposed.

I was watching CNN this morning, basically the media bunnies were attacking the Governor of Florida. They were intentionally condescending talking down to him. He sounded polite and measured they sounded shrill and self important. You would think that the American tax payer was subsidizing CNN or something.

They can’t wrap their heads around the idea that the American people want the Federal government to stop spending money – they are borrowing in our name, that we have to pay back. For wasteful spending we want ended.

The reason unemployment is so high is because the size of the federal debt is suppressing job growth. Plain and Simple we can’t afford the size the federal government.

Dr Evil on July 27, 2011 at 9:31 AM

2012 can’t come soon enough

faraway on July 27, 2011 at 9:31 AM

This is why CNN is running a countdown to debt limit crisis clock on their segments? Did they not get the memo?

Rovin on July 27, 2011 at 9:32 AM

FLASH: Reid’s plan is $500B short per CBO

faraway on July 27, 2011 at 9:33 AM

When you are an insane narcissist the August 2 date was picked in conjunction with Obama’s birthday on August 4. You will probably think that is insane. That is why I say that it is. Liberalism is a mental disorder and this happening in the same time frame just reinforces that fact.

volsense on July 27, 2011 at 9:26 AM

Oh, I totally agree with you ….. POS can’t be bothered with all this governing nonsense when he’s got a big birthday party coming up.

“I want this sh!t done by the 2nd so I can have a swinging, care-free birthday bash, baby, cause it’s all about me !!”

I really loathe this clown.

Jerome Horwitz on July 27, 2011 at 9:34 AM

The House passed a plan and its in the Senate…because Reid doesn’t want to bring it to the floor doesn’t mean that it doesn’t exist. As far as I’m concerned the House is the member of a branch of govt that has done its job. Boehner needs to step back and stop with another bill nonsense. So what if the govt shuts down all non-essential departments.

i think the truth is that BO doesn’t want we the people to actually see the 100′s of thousands of gov’t workers who are considered non-essential.

jbh45 on July 27, 2011 at 9:34 AM

The 12.4 % payroll tax for Social Security goes into buying special purpose Trust Fund Bonds issued by the Treasury. By LAW when presented to the Treasury, it must sell these special bonds and return the money to Social Security.

ONLY the President can stop Social Security payments from going out, ONLY THE PRESIDENT!

If raising the debt ceiling fails, then it in fact will be only on Obama’s shoulders should any default in Social Security payments occur. It will be his fault and his alone.

Kermit on July 27, 2011 at 9:36 AM

This is a fake date. The only reason there’s a “deadline” is for Obama to get Republicans caving for his birthday present.

ErnstBlofeld on July 27, 2011 at 9:37 AM

Wonder if we could get some inside pics from folks who attended but are no longer enamored of the Os? Pair them up with some other lavish photos of Michelle in Spain, Aspen, other jaunts, and present the tab to the American people.

When was the last time you took a vacation? Sounds like a tag line to me.

Greyledge Gal on July 27, 2011 at 9:17 AM

Very easy to do, starting with this.

Then, add the calcs on cost and voila!

Unfortunately, I’m a thinker not a put-together-an-awesome-ad-person. Like This guy

Or, This awesome sister.

Someone needs to do this!

Key West Reader on July 27, 2011 at 9:40 AM

This truly is the limbo of administrations. Getting through this year has been like watching Lawrence of Arabia. I see “intermission” on the screen and I just want the damn thing to end.

RDE2010 on July 27, 2011 at 9:40 AM

I’m standing by my earlier remark relating to Boehner’s plan falling short via CBO.

Bring a vote to the House floor to defund Obamacare. There’s your trillion dollar advantage. Do it, Boehner. You will completely emasculate this clown, and “get in his face” and all that.

Key West Reader on July 27, 2011 at 9:43 AM

This little threat of not paying SS benefits should greatly increase the possibility of privatizing SS in the future. Now if we can increase the number of Rep in the senate and get a Rep president and work on changing SS in 2013.

Oleta on July 27, 2011 at 9:43 AM

I see “intermission” on the screen and I just want the damn thing to end.

RDE2010 on July 27, 2011 at 9:40 AM

Yup, but there’s no popcorn or soda. Michelle outlawed that.

You eat your Alpo and like it.. or else

/

Key West Reader on July 27, 2011 at 9:43 AM

This little threat of not paying SS benefits should greatly increase the possibility of privatizing SS in the future. Now if we can increase the number of Rep in the senate and get a Rep president and work on changing SS in 2013.

Oleta on July 27, 2011 at 9:43 AM

Unless and until our current society accepts personal responsibility for their own well being, we will continue these debates ad nauseum.

The democrats must be exposed as the “New Slavery” Party. Until someone other than Sarah Palin is able to articulate that fact (I’m hoping Herman Cain will remain on the big stage to drive the point), America will remain in decline.

Key West Reader on July 27, 2011 at 9:49 AM

Today the New York Times catches up, at least in part:


But CNN hasn’t. They were busy this morning attacking Gov Rick Scott of Florida. Alternate headline for this VIDEO, The attack of the shrill CNN media bunny
.

Dr Evil on July 27, 2011 at 9:50 AM

Key West Reader on July 27, 2011 at 9:43 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3uMeF4Wfy4

Apply to White House.

RDE2010 on July 27, 2011 at 9:51 AM

And CNN can’t understand why their ratings are so low.

Dr Evil on July 27, 2011 at 9:55 AM

The nonsense that SS has its own lockbox has to stop. During LBJ’s heyday when big government programs and spending really escalated, the revenue from SS was dumped into the general fund.

onlineanalyst on July 27, 2011 at 10:02 AM

But will they have to cancel Øbama’s birthday party???

ctmom on July 27, 2011 at 10:07 AM

It is all about his birthday party/fundraising event.

MayBee on July 27, 2011 at 10:50 AM

FLASH: Reid’s plan is $500B short per CBO

faraway on July 27, 2011 at 9:33 AM

All the plans so far are overvalued on paper. They are just promises anyway. Need to pass a short term of like 1 trillion and then get to work on a budget that cuts 1 trillion out of this years budget (per year for 2 years.) That way we get more than just promises.

Corsair on July 27, 2011 at 10:53 AM

Got something to do with Obama´s Birthday?

gullxn on July 27, 2011 at 11:08 AM

Paul-Cincy on July 27, 2011 at 9:03 AM

Yes, there are others taking the hardline stance on giving Obama a limit increase on his Federal Credit Card. The Tea Party freshmen.

Other than them, who are getting no press, nobody. Palin is the only voice with a broad audience who is saying what needs to be said. Why is it so? She isn’t the only Republican left, is she? Are the others ALL RINOs?

Bueller?

Freelancer on July 27, 2011 at 12:23 PM

I’d just like to point out that I said at least a week or two ago that the MSM would have to backtrack if it appears we might blow through drop-dead-date or else they’d lose credibility.

Normally this would be evidence that the Democrats and MSM are in a panic and that the tea party should hold fast because they are winning, but since Boehner is committed to losing….

FloatingRock on July 27, 2011 at 12:26 PM

So here we are, a few days before the deadline, the MSM is forced to backtrack like wild, (or else pay a price that favors us), and now we have the advantage because the playing field is now ours. Instead of the false narrative the truth is becomming known. This is a time when good Republican leaders should be making new strides, gaining new ground, and instead Boehner is still committed to surrender.

FloatingRock on July 27, 2011 at 12:40 PM