Krauthammer to Tea Party: Play the long game

posted at 5:47 pm on July 27, 2011 by Ed Morrissey

Is it time to declare victory on the debt-ceiling debate and aim for November 2012 instead? Charles Krauthammer puts it as gently as possible in this segment from The O’Reilly Factor last night, but says that the Tea Party is picking a losing fight while Republicans only control one chamber of Congress and face a hostile President. The Tea Party has changed the paradigm by forcing Democrats away from tax hikes and debating over how much to cut from federal spending, rather than whether to cut at all. It’s time to settle for those gains and start working for long-term changes by focusing on the next elections:

“I respect what they want to do; I share what they want to do: shrink the government,” he said. But at a time when the country is going into debt and destroying everything in its path, Krauthammer said that Conservatives need to understand the only way to stop the damage, according to our Constitutional system, is to control the White House and the Congress.

To do that, the GOP needs to win the presidential election in 2012. He and O’Reilly both agreed on the belief that Bachmann and other Tea Party members who hold such a black-and-white stance and insist on not passing the Boehner bill – or any bill increasing the debt ceiling – could cost them that possibility. Krauthammer said the Tea Party is fighting the wrong battle at the wrong time, and no matter what, their position won’t be won from “pointing a gun” from half of Congress.

“You cannot govern from one branch. All the Conservatives control now is half a branch … and under our system, you’ve got to have it all.” he said.

“All of us respect the Constitution; it sort of defines the new Conservatism. If you believe in it, then respect the Constitution, understand its restraints, and win the election in November.”

The only way that can happen? Persuade the country that America needs a smaller, more Constitutional government. Krauthammer said that right now Obama is weak, Conservatives’ case is strong, and the economy’s on the rocks. “Why would you want to send the country into a crisis now and share the blame with Obama? It makes no sense whatsoever.”

Is Krauthammer right? Getting deep structural changes while only controlling the House was always a long shot at best, and the ball has been advanced farther than we might have hoped. However, that still leaves us with a crushing rate of debt aggregation, with all of the burdens that places on our national economy and future generations. Tea Party activists had more change in mind after the 2010 midterms.

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Jamie Dupree of Cox Radio:

First Boehner plan cut $851 billion, this one is $917 billion; CBO found Dem plan saves $2.2 trillion over 10yrs

Yay!

amerpundit

Reid’s plan uses reductions Iraq/Afghan expenditures that aren’t use in the GOP plan. Way to play the useful idiot.

chimney sweep on July 27, 2011 at 6:51 PM

Third party here I come……screw the Republicans!!!!

colonelkurtz on July 27, 2011 at 6:31 PM

The exits are clearly marked. You’ll forgive us for not opening the door for you.

JohnGalt23 on July 27, 2011 at 6:53 PM

Again…

… if you have some paper money in your wallet, I highly suggest you go buy some food and store it away while you still can.

Seven Percent Solution on July 27, 2011 at 6:56 PM

I now have my fingers crossed that we lose our AAA rating. Couldn’t happen to a nicer bunch and what difference does it make if we have to pay more from higher interest or crazy spending and borrowing. The bill is the same.

Cindy Munford on July 27, 2011 at 6:57 PM

Mark Kevin is on fire today.

OhioCoastie on July 27, 2011 at 6:57 PM

* As initially drafted, CBO projected the plan would cut spending by $850 B over the next decade.

Rational Thought on July 27, 2011 at 6:15 PM

The very first bullet point is a joke! Boehner’s plan is built around known failures and lies. When have the Democrats ever kept their promise to cut spending sometime in the future? – NEVER!

Bush 41 was promised spending cuts if he raised taxes.
The spending cuts never happened.

Reagan was promised $3 in spending cuts for every $1 he raised taxes.
The spending cuts never happened.

Reagan signed amnesty with the promise of secure borders.
The borders never happened.

Anyone here want to bet everything they own and ever will own against the same from me that the Democrat’s promises will be kept in full?

RJL on July 27, 2011 at 6:58 PM

if you have some paper money in your wallet, I highly suggest you go buy some food and store it away while you still can.
Seven Percent Solution on July 27, 2011 at 6:56 PM

Why buy now when you can take it by force from others later?

I mean….uh…why buy…uh…what I meant to say is…

Bishop on July 27, 2011 at 6:58 PM

Jonah Goldberg, as usual, nails it:

Imagine you’re in a burning office building. Obama’s plan for getting out alive: “Okay, you guys break up into different groups and come up with a series of proposals about how we get out of the building. I will then negotiate with each of you separately and then together, and then separately. Then I’ll get on Skype and tell the world what I think of your respective plans and criticize you for their lack of seriousness. I will insist that we have balanced approach of applying both water to the fire and opening the windows, which some say will only provide more oxygen for the flames. But my base says window-opening is essential. Oh and I will blame all of the gasoline I threw around on the lower floors of this building on the guy who moved out two years ago. And I will veto any plan that requires we have a new plan should we get stuck on another floor. And, did I mention this mess was created by the former tenant and….ahhh what’s that smell?

TXUS on July 27, 2011 at 6:59 PM

“But this is extremely extreme” screeches DWS.

BTW Does anyone here have access to the emails that the Dems are sending out?

onlineanalyst on July 27, 2011 at 6:59 PM

Tea Party to Krauthammer: NO!!!

The last time we played this game in 2004, the Dems took the Senate and House in 2006. In 2008 Obama happenend. Thanks to the Tea Party in 2010, the GOP took back the House.

Now it seems that nothing has really changed. The country is in dire straits financially and I don’t think we can afford to play the long game.

RedRobin145 on July 27, 2011 at 7:00 PM

Bishop on July 27, 2011 at 6:58 PM

Buy precious metals, gold and lead.

Cindy Munford on July 27, 2011 at 7:03 PM

Republican’s had a once in a decade opportunity to immediately balance the federal budget – an immediate 40% cut in federal spending, (perhaps compromising so that it could be done thoughtfully over a year so). They passed.

I can’t imagine voting for Republicans now, not just because they talk a good game and vote right when it’s easy.

My two children, 6 & 8, will owe the federal government about $200k each and growing, assuming they become median income earners. Now they will owe hundreds of thousands more. I don’t know how it will be possible to pay back.

elfman on July 27, 2011 at 7:03 PM

This isn’t Rush Limbaugh’s message it’s clear if the Republicans expect to get votes in November 2012. They have to put points up the board. The TEA party gave them the biggest seat sweep in 70 years and in return they get business as usual because the pols can’t tell the lobbiest to get lost.

Dr Evil on July 27, 2011 at 7:07 PM

Dance will continue until we go AA. Then, party over.

Think of borrowed money as the mini bar at the high end resort you ‘used’ to go to. Always remember:

“you use, you pay!”

hobbit on July 27, 2011 at 7:13 PM

Rational Thought on July 27, 2011 at 6:15 PM

Thanks for that Jen Rubin evaluation (although I find all blue print hard to read). Her reasoning is sound.

Pass this iteration of the latest Boehner bill with tweaks for the greater cuts, and send it off to Harry. Be sure to tell Harry that if he doesn’t bring this bill to the floor, he will send this nation into chaos and his party will own any collapse.

onlineanalyst on July 27, 2011 at 7:13 PM

•It would create a new Joint Select Committee of 12 members of the House and Senate, with three each appointed by Boehner, Pelosi, Reid, and McConnell. The committee’s goal is to reduce the deficit by $1.8 T over the next decade. . . .

•IF seven members of that committee recommend legislation by November 23rd of this year, then that legislation enjoys an expedited “fast track” legislative process in the House and Senate, with votes in both bodies required by December 23rd of this year.

I can just imagine what kind of folks we’ll get in that Committee. The Marxists will appoint 6 hard-core lefties and the RINOs will appoint 6 squishes. Yah, that’s the ticket! That’s gonna fix everything good!

Ogabe on July 27, 2011 at 7:24 PM

The last time we played this game in 2004, the Dems took the Senate and House in 2006.

RedRobin145 on July 27, 2011 at 7:00 PM

They took the Congress back because the Republicans spent like crazy Democrats.

catmman on July 27, 2011 at 7:26 PM

I now have my fingers crossed that we lose our AAA rating. Couldn’t happen to a nicer bunch and what difference does it make if we have to pay more from higher interest or crazy spending and borrowing. The bill is the same.
Cindy Munford on July 27, 2011 at 6:57 PM

Well that is a good question, isn’t it. Japan lost their AAA rating earlier, and we hadn’t really heard about it until this hoohaw. As long as you have secured all the debt you need, with fixed intrest rates, personally you should be OK. Of course, the amount of interest the US will have to pay will increase significantly. I do worry that Obama and his cronies consider that a feature.

humdinger on July 27, 2011 at 7:42 PM

To the 63% of you hoy air sellouts out there get us all a downgrade and increased interest rates, what will be your worthless excuse then?

paulsur on July 27, 2011 at 7:45 PM

humdinger on July 27, 2011 at 7:42 PM

It’s a mystery since neither plan saves us from a downgrade. For me it will just be less likely that I will sell the house that isn’t going to sell anyway.

Cindy Munford on July 27, 2011 at 7:53 PM

Sure chuckie Play the LONG GAME!!! thats how we got here in the first place. Every one playing the game for the next election. Time to stop this foolishness NOW. NOT later.

ColdWarrior57 on July 27, 2011 at 8:00 PM

Charles Krauthammer puts it as gently as possible in this segment from The O’Reilly Factor last night, but says that the Tea Party is picking a losing fight while Republicans only control one chamber of Congress and face a hostile President. The Tea Party has changed the paradigm by forcing Democrats away from tax hikes and debating over how much to cut from federal spending, rather than whether to cut at all. It’s time to settle for those gains and start working for long-term changes by focusing on the next elections:

My sentiments, exactly.

Winning battles to lose the war isn’t the smartest way to go.

Lourdes on July 27, 2011 at 8:08 PM

@ Lourdes

Better to die on your feet, then to live on your knees.

ColdWarrior57 on July 27, 2011 at 8:11 PM

Sure chuckie Play the LONG GAME!!! thats how we got here in the first place. Every one playing the game for the next election. Time to stop this foolishness NOW. NOT later.

ColdWarrior57 on July 27, 2011 at 8:00 PM

I didn’t get that from Krauthammer’s comments, not at all (that it’s preferable ‘to get along to go along’).

He’s talking common sense as to how to accomplish one’s goals. Recall that it’s Obama who throws the fits and “walks out” with taunts when he doesn’t get what he wants.

That’s no way to behave. Krauthammer is reminding people of the importance of winning future elections SO THAT the goals can be realized. Accomplish every advance possible now and keep in mind that there will be more to accomplish later and how to do that.

Blaming the GOP is what the Left wants everyone to do, and THEY have in mind winning re-election for Obama and gaining back a super majority for the DNC. Which is what we should all keep in mind as to what their plans are and work against that, toward our own goals.

I just don’t get it that we should knock one another and maybe that’s what Krauthammer feels, too. Encouragement and positive reinforcement accomplishes far more than negative reinforcement and ridicule does.

Lourdes on July 27, 2011 at 8:12 PM

CK is right, unfortunately. We have successfully shifted the argument onto our terms. As much as I’d like to see them turn back any debt ceiling increase, it may be time to rake in our chips and tell the dealer to deal another hand.

JohnGalt23 on July 27, 2011 at 5:53 PM

Yep.

Lourdes on July 27, 2011 at 8:15 PM

“Play the long game”??? How trite. The Democrats “game” is to “kneecap” the player before he ever reaches first base.

RADIOONE on July 27, 2011 at 8:22 PM

Chucky is looking like he is down to his last gasp, hang on, inside the beltway, big spending, country club Republican nerve!

I think the other guy was right. Boehner should just go to sleep and let Reid and Obama stew over the Cut, Cap, and Balance bill until they pass it!

The truth is, even if Obama hates that bill, the cuts are minor, the spending cap ideas have been trashed by every congress in the past, and the balanced budget ammendment goes to the states and is likely to be tied to next years election anyway.

Freddy on July 27, 2011 at 8:33 PM

However, that still leaves us with a crushing rate of debt aggregation, with all of the burdens that places on our national economy and future generations.

Yes, which can all be undone if, and only if, we win the presidency and senate in 2012 by not overreaching right now. A republican president (I’m hoping Perry) can make massive cuts on the first day he’s sworn in, before lunch even, but we have to get him elected first.

I despise Barack Obama with every fiber of my being for what he is doing to this country. The most important thing we can do to save this country is to defeat him in 2012. Then we can actually make real changes and hopefully, never raise the debt ceiling again and start making massive cuts.

It’s like a bunch of people here want to go all hardcore in a pre-season game, when there is a way bigger, more meaningful game coming up. All of you “hold the line” people are playing small ball.

JohnInCA on July 27, 2011 at 6:05 PM

Well said.

Lourdes on July 27, 2011 at 8:40 PM

@ Lourdes

Better to die on your feet, then to live on your knees.

ColdWarrior57 on July 27, 2011 at 8:11 PM

I don’t perceive the GOP to be “on (its) knees”. Rather, I think that’s where the Left is today, and certainly Obama’s future is as it appears now.

We get nowhere when we lose elections and ‘they’ win them. That’s what we must keep in mind, and that’s what I think Krauthammer is suggesting.

Better to win on your knees, though, than to lose.

Lourdes on July 27, 2011 at 9:09 PM

As a bona fide tea party whacko, I reluctantly agree with Kraut on this one. Think of it as war. A general doesn’t send his troops into battles that are unwinnable, thus risking the loss of a good many of soldiers he will need to fight the eminently winnable and more important battles ahead.

We do ourselves no favors in the long run by insisting on immediate adherence. When Allen West says he’ll hold his nose and go with the Boehner bill, I take note.

TXUS on July 27, 2011 at 6:01 PM

..good show! You have convinced me. Where do I sign up for your army? Is there an enlistment bonus?

The War Planner on July 27, 2011 at 9:40 PM

@Lourdes. It’s not the GOP on it’s knees it’s the US taxpayer whowill be there if we keep on keeping on. Einstein said that it is the mark of insanity to repeat the same behavior and expect different results. 45 years of this crap is enough.

ColdWarrior57 on July 27, 2011 at 9:53 PM

Without the collective “us” as in Hot Air conversationalists (and millions of other patriotic Americans) this would not even be up for discussion. The Bill would’ve been signed all ready and we would escalating bazillions of dollars faster than we all ready are.

I don’t like how this appears to be going BUT it is a small, small victory. Conservatives and other fiscally minded people have brought this issue to the forefront. It was NOT a battle we could win with only 1/3 of government. I despise the ‘Despot in DC’ as much as everyone else. And because he hasn’t been impeached, yet, we must bind his arms. And we did.

We can throw him over the bow in 16 months. We must take control of the Presidency and the Senate and maintain the House. Only with these wins can we accomplish what must be done. In the meantime we seek out the weak links and primary the you-know-what out of them.

Yeah, it sucks. And it’s gonna suck until November 2012. God willing we will win the country back. What we’ve just gone through is a (sorry, this came to mind and I’m laughing uncontrollably) TICKLE FIGHT – there, I said it! Bring your brass rings to the next one ’cause we will kick axx and take names.

HEY, I’ve been stressed out about this, okay? Let me laugh at the words TICKLE FIGHT!

Yellowdog12 on July 27, 2011 at 10:11 PM

The last time we played this game in 2004, the Dems took the Senate and House in 2006.

RedRobin145 on July 27, 2011 at 7:00 PM

They took the Congress back because the Republicans spent like crazy Democrats.

catmman on July 27, 2011 at 7:26 PM

And because of a poorly-fought, unpopular war in Iraq, daily-demonized by Dems, who now are strangely silent since they own that same war.

profitsbeard on July 28, 2011 at 12:15 AM

Just keep kicking that tired ole can down the road fellas…

Gohawgs on July 28, 2011 at 1:20 AM

And we should shout it from the treetops that this is the puny best we can do with the current makeup of the executive branch and the Senate. We also need to note that the House could be sweetened up just a bit, too.

I still think Boehner’s original proposed cuts are more than just a boner. They are an utter disgrace he should be so ashamed of he resigns as speaker.

{^_^}

herself on July 28, 2011 at 3:28 AM

Raising the debt limit is no victory at all … except for Obama who is not negotiating on what/when/how much to cut those are just promises/words on a teleprompter… Obama is not negotiating on whether or not to raise the debt ceiling he is negotiating on how much more borrowed money will he be able to swindle the congress into giving him to distribute to his cronies/supporters between now and 2012.
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philly_PA on July 28, 2011 at 7:24 AM

Better to win on your knees, though, than to lose.

Lourdes on July 27, 2011 at 9:09 PM

That’s Bawney Fwank’s strategy.

TugboatPhil on July 28, 2011 at 8:09 AM

Chuck is part of the problem. The beltway GOP alleged intelligencia who need to keep the children under control. We don’t have time to play the long term game. We need action NOW!

flytier on July 28, 2011 at 8:31 AM

The solution is:

Get Rick Perry to call for a constitutional convention and pass a balanced budget amendment out of that.

1. Massive political victory for Perry.
2. Congress cannot stop it.

Finally something that congress has to listen to.

The Rock on July 28, 2011 at 8:41 AM

We have heard this drivel for a very long time and learned that it is in fact drivel. In politics things that are promised later seldom if ever happen.

The dems have to be reminded of last November and so do a few republicans.

dogsoldier on July 28, 2011 at 8:56 AM

you never see Democrats talk like this. for them they never let up, and they usually win. I think CK and BO are wrong. Stop pretending that a little bit of phony change is good enough. we have to be relentless now and next election and in between and even after that. full speed ahead.

exceller on July 27, 2011 at 5:54 PM

Krauthammer and the RINO Surrendorcrats would terminate all baseball games in the 7th inning…so the players could go home and spend their time hoping for a winning season.

landlines on July 27, 2011 at 5:55 PM

EXACTLY! The Krauthammer’s, et al, spoon feed the left’s talking points to them. Geeze. The ONLY thing I admire about the left is their solid unity.

SoldiersMom on July 28, 2011 at 9:21 AM

The Tea Party has won in the most important way, they changed the focus of the debate. I don’t know right now which is the best way; I’m disgusted in the lack of backbone in our senators (McCain, go home for good). The one true statement Krauthammer did make is we must keep winning elections.

All we can do now is stand, watch and remember.

Get ready for 2012.

itsspideyman on July 28, 2011 at 9:44 AM

The exits are clearly marked. You’ll forgive us for not opening the door for you.

JohnGalt23 on July 27, 2011 at 6:53 PM

And you’ll forgive us for running you the hell over to get to them.

HondaV65 on July 28, 2011 at 9:46 AM

Get ready for 2012.

itsspideyman on July 28, 2011 at 9:44 AM

“We can’t fight here boys – Yanks got the better ground – once more, let’s retreat towards Atlanta!”

HondaV65 on July 28, 2011 at 9:47 AM

The left does appear to be united with all 53 dem senators signing the letter to Boehner, but how solid will they be when a vote is forced. My dem tool, Jon Tester, is running against our R rep and the campaign for his seat is already considered a battleground. When you want to fight a major war, you do need reinforcements. We don’t want to end up like Custer. He was greatly outnumbered and lost big time.

Kissmygrits on July 28, 2011 at 9:49 AM

Again, Mr. Krauthammer has it correct regarding the Budget fiasco. This administration has to get its House in order and use the proper rules (the Constitution) to avoid becoming a failed State.

Democrats try to use the 14th Amendment to justify raising the debt ceiling, with the rationalization that their monetary decisions shall not be questioned. However, read the 14th Amendment. The decisions being made are those monetary decisions surrounding quelling rebellion or insurrections.

Let’s remind them to read Article 1 Section 8 and pay those obligations and any existing Debt Servicing requirements first. Then, if there are any funds remaining, funding subsequent programs or saving the funds for future “Bseeline Budget” increases are prudent.

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MSGTAS on July 28, 2011 at 9:57 AM

The long game is worthless if your short game is weak. You must have a good all around game if you expect to not only win, but to keep on winning.

TQM38a on July 28, 2011 at 9:59 AM

We American made a Mess…BUsshhhwas the lastest
Jus’ say Yes mastah..tug at our fore lcoks amd bow like the good ole beta dogs we conservativs realla loveee to be. Why jus check the medai!

We should jus behavs or talk racist ant den we go crazy and kill pepul.

NO in betwun.

IlikedAUH2O on July 28, 2011 at 10:47 AM

IlikedAUH2O on July 28, 2011 at 10:47 AM

The post was an attempt to artfully depict the subservient role which our media and the leftist power structure has defined for conservatives.

You can’t say a man is articulate.

You can’t advocate a balanced budget.

IlikedAUH2O on July 28, 2011 at 11:10 AM

And the long game is…
wait for it…
installing squishy Republicans in every branch of government.

tea party to Kraut

drop dead

james23 on July 28, 2011 at 11:10 AM

No dedication of lives, fortunes or sacred honor for this guy and his ilk.

txmomof6 on July 28, 2011 at 11:11 AM

Typical Inside Washington. Conservatives are ever being counseled to take a watered down compromise with the Democrats in the name of the “long view.” Funny how we never seem to get there.

The House GOP leaders should, at this point, take to the airwaves and remind voters at every opportunity that they have presented AT LEAST four different plans, all rejected or threatened with veto. They passed Cut, Cap, & Balance. So let the Democrats deal with the debt ceiling and let them own it.

SAMinVA on July 28, 2011 at 11:17 AM

Although I think the WH will turn over in 12, I think the House will too, absent a Change in House leadership. I’m going to vote against my GOP critter because this Congress and this GOP majority did not get the message in ’10, and I just don’t see tp folks in my area enthused at all about prop’ing up this pathetic GOP House leadership team. Some of the seats that were flipped to red in 10 are going to flip back to blue in 12. Which suits me just fine.

james23 on July 28, 2011 at 11:20 AM

Hold the line. Base your decision on principle. No more half-measures. No more games, make the hard decisions like a responsible adult.

joshlbetts on July 28, 2011 at 11:28 AM

I can’t imagine voting for Republicans now, not just because they talk a good game and vote right when it’s easy.

My two children, 6 & 8, will owe the federal government about $200k each and growing, assuming they become median income earners. Now they will owe hundreds of thousands more. I don’t know how it will be possible to pay back.

So you are voting for what? Democrats? I don’t get that logic at all. Can you point to where a democrat thinks the solution to this is anything but spend more and tax?
Or am I just misunderstanding what you are saying?

Noelie on July 28, 2011 at 11:47 AM

The House GOP leaders should, at this point, take to the airwaves and remind voters at every opportunity that they have presented AT LEAST four different plans, all rejected or threatened with veto. They passed Cut, Cap, & Balance. So let the Democrats deal with the debt ceiling and let them own it.

SAMinVA on July 28, 2011 at 11:17 AM

Thank you.

CCB has already passed. If the senate refuses to take it up, so be it. If we don’t increase the debt ceiling, we get exactly what I already want. We suddenly stop spending more than we take in. Why are we afraid of this? Because we’ll get trashed by the media? Guess what, even if we gave obama everything he demands we’re gonna get trashed by the media. Ask Bush.

runawayyyy on July 28, 2011 at 11:49 AM

And you’ll forgive us for running you the hell over to get to them.

HondaV65 on July 28, 2011 at 9:46 AM

Planning on running me down? You’d better be Jim Brown then.

JohnGalt23 on July 28, 2011 at 11:53 AM

james23 on July 28, 2011 at 11:10 AM

The Jacobin is strong in this one…

JohnGalt23 on July 28, 2011 at 11:54 AM

Sure CK. Turn down the promise you made to the electorate on election day-not to worry Charles Krauthammer and the beltway crowd that brought this monbster uponn our heads, assures you you’ll win in 2012 if you do. Groan.

If the tea party guys betray their election promise, you can be certain that the GOP won’t get enough conservative votes to beat Obama. They’ll either be 3rd party, staying home, or checking out property on Pago Pago.

This betrayal by Boehner and the usual wimpy suspects, shows once again that the GOP would rather not fight, no matter what’s at stake. There is no right time for them to fight.

Why vote for these guys whose entire game strategy is limited to punting? And even at that -they can’t kick!

Don L on July 28, 2011 at 12:03 PM

Charles is the man, and I respect his opinion and understand it. For me, the entire govenment has turned into a rotten nest of trouble, and maybe it will take the government to melt down in order to move forward properly once again.

I see all these government handouts as an infected boil that must be lanced. The end game of paying people’s living expenses in exchange for a democrat vote is suicidal for the USA because as the welfare/entitlement rolls swell like they have been for years, some people will give up work and submit to “The Program”. Business people will become increasingly disgusted as taxes and the expenses of freeloaders ever increases. At what point to they surcome to the “easy income” class.

saiga on July 28, 2011 at 12:11 PM

Victory Tomorrow (we’ll vote him out in 2012… just you wait).

Victory Yesterday (in the good old years of Reagan).

But never victory today.

Especially when we need a victory today.

It’s not like that S&P rating downgrade isn’t going to hurt us all that much…

…Oh Wait…

Chaz706 on July 28, 2011 at 12:28 PM

Tea Party to Krauthammer: Play to win our fair weather friend

FeFe on July 28, 2011 at 1:09 PM

All conservatives want to slow the runaway train of the growth of government spending.
Boehner wants to apply the brakes.
Bachmann & the Tea Party want to drop a boulder in front of the train.

itsnotaboutme on July 28, 2011 at 1:31 PM

After reading through the comments on here, I think I need to remind our ultra-conservative friends of one important point made by Charles:

“You cannot govern from one branch. All the Conservatives control now is half a branch … and under our system, you’ve got to have it all.”

We only control half of one branch of government. As tax increases are seemingly off the table and the only thing the other side is debating is the size of the spending cuts, this is a huge achievement by a party that only controls half of one branch of government. We should pocket the gains now and parlay them into victories in 2012.

Dagnar on July 28, 2011 at 1:59 PM

Dagnar on July 28, 2011 at 1:59 PM

You’re making too much sense!
We’ve got to figure out a way to appeal to their illogical, hyper-purist fantasies if we want to persuade them!

itsnotaboutme on July 28, 2011 at 3:16 PM

“Dagnar on July 28, 2011 at 1:59 PM
You’re making too much sense!
We’ve got to figure out a way to appeal to their illogical, hyper-purist fantasies if we want to persuade them!

itsnotaboutme on July 28, 2011 at 3:16 PM”

Yes, much like the victory on the budget earlier in the year. You remember that victory right, right! Keep trying to kick that football Charlie Brown and you will find yourself on your back as usual.

How about that McCain victory, the one that should have attracted all those independants! OHHHh, that was a great victory.

Sorry, your lack of persuasion is due to your utter failure and humiliation in what you call victories.

The Tea Party is making a stand and calling those who have caused this mess to the carpet. You should be grateful that for once people are willing to stand on principal.

Africanus on July 28, 2011 at 11:25 PM