Romney pipes up about the president’s speech

posted at 12:40 pm on July 26, 2011 by Tina Korbe

Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney has remained conspicuously quiet throughout the debt ceiling debates — a strategy that’s both curious and smart for someone who has made the economy the centerpiece of his campaign. As the past few weeks have demonstrated, the debt limit drama is difficult to pin down — and the political fallout of holding any given position is by no means clear. But, last night, the president’s disappointing speech prompted even Romney to pipe up. Politico’s Maggie Haberman reports:

Mitt Romney tweeted this response to President Obama’s debt ceiling speech last night:

“An historic failure of leadership from @BarackObama, not even @SenatorReid is still talking about tax increases.”

The quick statement … overlooks the fact that Obama is actually backing the Reid plan. But it underscores the delicate dance Romney’s engaged in on the debt negotiations, which dovetails with the central theme of his campaign — the nation’s economy, and its spending.

Haberman is partially wrong about Romney’s comment. It doesn’t suggest Romney didn’t realize Obama supports Reid’s plan. It suggests Romney is as weary as the rest of us of Obama’s constant talk of a need for self-sacrifice from oil company executives and hedge fund managers. Romney was merely noting that even Reid has dropped the talk of “shared sacrifice,” which actually isn’t shared at all (perhaps Reid gave up on that line of rhetoric when “The Sense of the Senate on Shared Sacrifice” failed even his Democrat chamber). Yet, Obama persists with the class warfare comments.

Anyway, Romney was on safe territory with his tweet. The president’s speech was widely regarded as insubstantial and even misleading. Several other presidential candidates had far sharper criticism for BHO.

Rep. Michele Bachmann hit on the president’s arrogance and patronizing tone. (I’m still appalled that the president baldly suggested Americans don’t understand what a debt ceiling increase means — and tried to tell us it isn’t a license to spend more!)

“Shame on President Obama for casting the American people aside as collateral damage, as he continues his political gamesmanship with the national debt crisis,” Bachmann said in a statement. “The problem with the president’s plan is that he’s operating from the wrong assumption — that we need to increase the debt limit to pay for increased spending. Despite what President Obama says, the people of this country understand what raising the debt limit means. It’s the President who doesn’t grasp the magnitude of our national debt; he compares it to ‘a little credit card debt’ when, in fact, our ‘national credit cards’ are maxed out.”

Former Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty cleverly reversed his own campaign slogan — “Results, not rhetoric” — by criticizing Obama’s results-less rhetoric (or, rather, by pointing out the very negative results Obama’s administration has produced).

“President Obama is lecturing the country instead of leading it,” Pawlenty said. “He has presided over the largest and most irresponsible run up of debt in our nation’s history, and he now threatens to preside over the first default in U.S. history. Once again, President Obama did not have the courage to offer real solutions to fix runaway debt. Where is his plan to fix Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid?  Tonight’s speech was all rhetoric and no results, and is another reason why President Obama needs to be removed from office.”

Former Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum noted the president’s irrelevant position in the negotiations and legislative process — an especially important point. Even Democrats seem to be done dealing with the president on this.

“President Obama said tonight that ‘people are fed up with a town where compromise has become a dirty word,’ but what the people are fed up with is a President who uses class warfare as a crutch to divide rather than focusing on solving the issues affecting each and every American,” said Senator Santorum.  “The fact that President Obama has been shut out by not just Republican but by Democratic congressional leaders is a clear indication that he has become incapable of addressing our nation’s debt crisis.”

Former Utah Gov. Jon Huntsman criticized Obama’s calls for tax increases and “his own politically motivated timetable” as “misguided” and “reckless,” but supported House Speaker John Boehner’s compromise plan as “a good first step.”

Rep. Ron Paul (R-Tex.) continues to call any proponent of a debt ceiling increase at all “misled.”

In comparison to his competitors, then, Romney’s characterization of Obama’s primetime speech as an “historic failure of leadership” seems rather mild. He was right to speak up and say something – the president’s words were too “off” of yesterday’s developments and the requirements of the negotiations, in general, to say nothing.

 


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An Unbalanced Approach to a Balanced Approach

Using political forensics, notice any clues, perhaps telltale code words that reveal to whom he was really addressing his Monday message? Clearly, it wasn’t congressional Republicans — or Democrats, for that matter.

The nation’s top talker uttered 4,526 words in those remarks. He said “balanced approach” seven times, three times in a single paragraph.

That’s the giveaway. Obviously, David Plouffe and the incumbent’s strategists have been polling phrases for use in this ongoing debt duel, which is more about 2012 now than 2011. “Balanced approach” is no sweet talk for old Bernie or tea sippers on the other side.

Forks and tongues

Schadenfreude on July 26, 2011 at 12:42 PM

Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney has remained conspicuously quiet throughout the debt ceiling debates — a strategy that’s both curious and smart for someone who has made the economy the centerpiece of his campaign. As the past few weeks have demonstrated, the debt limit drama is difficult to pin down — and the political fallout of holding any given position is by no means clear.

Or…he ran out of Cheetos in the foxhole.

kingsjester on July 26, 2011 at 12:43 PM

Independents, if you have a shred of true independence and brain left, see the charlatan for what he is. If not, you are him.

Schadenfreude on July 26, 2011 at 12:43 PM

Romney who?

j_galt on July 26, 2011 at 12:43 PM

The one who will beat The One in 2012 has not entered the race yet.

Schadenfreude on July 26, 2011 at 12:44 PM

OT: Mentally unbalanced and sex-crazed Rep. David Wu (D-OR) is resigning.

KingGold on July 26, 2011 at 12:45 PM

OT: Mentally unbalanced and sex-crazed Rep. David Wu (D-OR) is resigning.

KingGold on July 26, 2011 at 12:45 PM

Wu?

Schadenfreude on July 26, 2011 at 12:46 PM

The pipsqueak pipes up.

Yawn.

Rebar on July 26, 2011 at 12:46 PM

The quick statement … overlooks the fact that Obama is actually backing the Reid plan.

Obama apparently overlooked the fact that Obama supports Reid’s plan too. He seemed to be talking about some stuff that’s not in Reid’s plan – at least as far as I can tell what’s actually in Reid’s plan.

forest on July 26, 2011 at 12:47 PM

This guy is sooo uninspiring.

KickandSwimMom on July 26, 2011 at 12:49 PM

Is he still in the running???

OmahaConservative on July 26, 2011 at 12:49 PM

Halp us, Rik Pary…

ddrintn on July 26, 2011 at 12:49 PM

Despite those hundreds of billions of blown stimulus dollars and almost as many upturn promises from Joe Biden, 82% of Americans still say their job market is struggling. Ninety percent rate the economy negatively, including half who give it the worst rating of “poor.”

Are You Better Off Today Than Jan. 20, 2009?

A slim 15% claim to be “getting ahead financially,” half what it was in 2006. Fully 27% say they’re falling behind financially. That’s up 6 points since February.

A significant majority (54%) says they’ve been forced to change their lifestyle significantly as a result of the economic times — and 60% of them are angry, up from 44%.

To be sure, 30 months after he returned to home cooking, George W. Bush still gets majority blame for the economy.

But here’s the breaking news for wishful Democrats: George W. Bush isn’t running for anything but exercise.

“More than a third of Americans now believe that President Obama’s policies are hurting the economy, and confidence in his ability to create jobs is sharply eroding among his base,” the Post reports.

Strong support among liberal Democrats for Obama’s jobs record has plummeted 22 points from 53% down below a third. African Americans who believe the president’s measures helped the economy have plunged from 77% to barely half.

Obama’s overall job approval on the economy has slid below 40% for the first time, with 57% disapproving. And strong disapprovers outnumber approvers by better than two-to-one.

Schadenfreude on July 26, 2011 at 12:50 PM

Like Obama, Romney only spoke, when it was politically relevant to do so. Which makes his opinion, suspect. If you don’t have the courage and fortitude to speak before a speech, or during this debacle…then what makes him think we want to hear it now. When it’s “safe”.

capejasmine on July 26, 2011 at 12:51 PM

Timing is everything.

Except for Romney.

SlaveDog on July 26, 2011 at 12:51 PM

We have nothing but RINOs and lightweights in this presidential race . . . somebody of strength, moral character and a fire in their belly please step up before it’s too late.

rplat on July 26, 2011 at 12:51 PM

“Whichever way the wind blows, rest assured I’ll be there.”

-Mitt

Bat Chain Puller on July 26, 2011 at 12:52 PM

The one who will beat The One in 2012 has not entered the race yet.

Schadenfreude on July 26, 2011 at 12:44 PM

He isn’t officially throwing his hat in the ring till late August.

a capella on July 26, 2011 at 12:53 PM

Ex cons to get same rights as minorities.

However, the unemployed can be discriminated against, royally.

Schadenfreude on July 26, 2011 at 12:53 PM

How fired up are Repubs?

Many of them are waiting for a Facebook post from someone that isn’t even running.

Moesart on July 26, 2011 at 12:53 PM

That Tweet makes me so excited that I want to get up out of my chair and shout Hallelujah!. Or not.

faraway on July 26, 2011 at 12:54 PM

How fired up are Repubs?

Many of them are waiting for a Facebook post from someone that isn’t even running.

Moesart on July 26, 2011 at 12:53 PM

Yet

Schadenfreude on July 26, 2011 at 12:54 PM

Meh. At least he said something.

MeatHeadinCA on July 26, 2011 at 12:56 PM

Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney has remained conspicuously quiet throughout the debt ceiling debates

This is intentional. He has to flip before he can flop.

rukiddingme on July 26, 2011 at 12:56 PM

At least he has a smokin hot wife

faraway on July 26, 2011 at 12:57 PM

How typical that Mittens was given a chance to lead and chose not to do so. Leadership is not waiting to see what topic is safe and what isn’t.

search4truth on July 26, 2011 at 12:57 PM

ZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz……….

OmahaConservative on July 26, 2011 at 12:59 PM

Romney is using the invisible man campaign strategy.

Cindy Munford on July 26, 2011 at 12:59 PM

Nobody admits to being for Romney so how does he lead in the polls?

huckleberryfriend on July 26, 2011 at 1:00 PM

a strategy that’s both curious and smart for someone who has made the economy the centerpiece of his campaign. As the past few weeks have demonstrated, the debt limit drama is difficult to pin down — and the political fallout of holding any given position is by no means clear.

This should be the dictionary definition of leading from behind.

JonPrichard on July 26, 2011 at 1:01 PM

30 economists say the U.S. will be downgraded no matter what the Congress and the NOone do.

Schadenfreude on July 26, 2011 at 1:03 PM

Hey…doesn’t that Newt guy have a little experience in these matters? Strange how he’s been silent and unable to capitalize on this situation.

OxyCon on July 26, 2011 at 1:05 PM

Romney: Leading an attack from behind on the guy leading the country from behind.

Left Coast Right Mind on July 26, 2011 at 1:05 PM

NOone was anticipating defeat and was setting up Rs, in last night’s speech, for the blame. May he be punished for his charlatanry.

Schadenfreude on July 26, 2011 at 1:07 PM

The one who will beat The One in 2012 has not entered the race yet.

Schadenfreude on July 26, 2011 at 12:44 PM

He isn’t officially throwing his hat in the ring till late August.

a capella on July 26, 2011 at 12:53 PM

And if she had put together the words “An historic” in a tweet the media would be wall-to-wall with Palin is teh stoopid coverage.

Besides, she said all that needed saying a week ago on this subject. Mitt is once again a day late and a dollar short.

turfmann on July 26, 2011 at 1:10 PM

Nobody admits to being for Romney so how does he lead in the polls?

huckleberryfriend on July 26, 2011 at 1:00 PM

Not true. I got into a spirited(it was cordial, not contentious) debate with my dad over the weekend about 2012. He said Mittens was the most electable and that he was supporting him. I countered that only the media and the establishment claim he’s “electable” and that polls show a significant number of Americans would openly refuse to vote for a Mormon. Plus I offered up his questionable record which includes Romneycare, lackluster job growth in MassachusettEs, and his belief in manmade global warming.

Needless to say, my dad was almost silent after I told him all of this(a rare occurrence, BTW). What’s shocking is he’s politically astute, fiscally conservative, and works in the medical field. You’d think he’d despise Mittens, but this whole “electability” argument is apparently all he needs for the guy. So it’s safe to assume there are many others out there who are the same. They just want Obama gone in 2012 and if Romney looks like the candidate with the best shot at winning, so be it.

Doughboy on July 26, 2011 at 1:11 PM

Faraway @ 12:57 PM
At least he has a hot smokin wife.

Rick Perry does too.

volsense on July 26, 2011 at 1:13 PM

You’d think he’d despise Mittens, but this whole “electability” argument is apparently all he needs for the guy. So it’s safe to assume there are many others out there who are the same. They just want Obama gone in 2012 and if Romney looks like the candidate with the best shot at winning, so be it.

Doughboy on July 26, 2011 at 1:11 PM

There ya go. It’s been hammered into everyone’s heads since 2009 that Romney is the most electable, and therefore the herd is going with Romney. Same thing with the idea that Palin is poison, which incidentally did not begin with her resignation.

ddrintn on July 26, 2011 at 1:14 PM

Romney, as anyone who has watched him knows, has been voting “almost present” on any issue that might lose him a vote. He is the GOP’s version of Obama when it comes to leadership and problem solving. He is transparently, only concerned with 2012 -the worse kind of RINO.

Don L on July 26, 2011 at 1:16 PM

Tina Korbe

Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney has remained conspicuously quiet throughout the debt ceiling debates — a strategy that’s both curious and smart for someone who has made the economy the centerpiece of his campaign. As the past few weeks have demonstrated, the debt limit drama is difficult to pin down — and the political fallout of holding any given position is by no means clear.

SO IF ECONOMY IS THE CENTERPIECE OF YOUR CAMPAIGN … YOU SHOULD NOT SAY ANYTHING ABOUT IT … EXCEPT WHEN YOU SEE ALMOST EVERYONE INCLUDING CNN SO FRUSTRATED ABOUT OBAMA? THAT’S NON LEADERSHIP FROM ROMNEY. AND NOT SMART AT ALL!

The way I see it, Obama and Romney are one and the same when it comes to economy and leadership! Their records speak for themselves!

TheAlamos on July 26, 2011 at 1:23 PM

But it underscores the delicate dance Romney’s engaged in on the debt negotiations…

Hiding in the ballroom’s bathroom (men’s or women’s?) while the fight is going on, can hardly be called a ‘delicate dance.”

Come November next, his dance card won’t have a pencil mark on it, Unless his hearthrobs, George Will, or Karl Rove ask him for a dance.

Don L on July 26, 2011 at 1:23 PM

Is Mitt Romney still around? Could have fooled me. Anyway, I could care less what he has to say about this or anything else. Go away Willard.

james23 on July 26, 2011 at 1:26 PM

There ya go. It’s been hammered into everyone’s heads since 2009 that Romney is the most electable, and therefore the herd is going with Romney. Same thing with the idea that Palin is poison, which incidentally did not begin with her resignation.

ddrintn on July 26, 2011 at 1:14 PM

Definitely. And he doesn’t like Palin at all(politically, not personally) and thinks Bachmann’s a nut. Now full disclosure. He’s an atheist, so any politician who talks openly about religion will turn him off at least somewhat. But this is not a RINO we’re talking about here. I’ve seen the political books he reads. They range from Savage and Coulter to Amity Shlaes.

So this is what we’re up against. Politics is perception. And if the media and GOP establishment keep hammering away that certain candidates are electable and others are poison at the ballot box, it’s bound to influence even folks who actually do have 2 brain cells to rub together and are engaged in the process. Thankfully no one I know has been suckered into backing Huntsman yet.

Doughboy on July 26, 2011 at 1:26 PM

huckleberryfriend on July 26, 2011 at 1:00 PM

Because it’s his turn, stop asking questions.

Cindy Munford on July 26, 2011 at 1:26 PM

Doughboy on July 26, 2011 at 1:11 PM

My dad, also conservative and successful, is also susceptible to the CW on Mitt’s “electability.” Then again, he was certain that no one could beat Hillary in the 2008 primary.

So, patience. Minds can and will change.

Missy on July 26, 2011 at 1:28 PM

Romney fights from rear, with the gear.

Coward.

portlandon on July 26, 2011 at 1:28 PM

That’s it? That’s his tweet? A comment you could find in a blog post or comments section of just about any center to right blog (not to mention a few dinosaur media publications?

I’m impressed Romney has such top-rung leadership insight. Or should I call it delicate dancing, whatever that is supposed to mean?

Dusty on July 26, 2011 at 1:34 PM

Faraway @ 12:57 PM
At least he has a hot smokin wife.

Rick Perry does too.
volsense on July 26, 2011 at 1:13 PM

Vote Palin!

huckleberryfriend on July 26, 2011 at 1:36 PM

The MSM’s #1 choice for the GOP nominee… they can simply dust off the skeletons and strategies they had prepared four years ago to blast him and defend the Won. He hasn’t really done anything since, so they don’t really even need to update their “research”…

He who does nothing makes no mistakes… problem is, we need someone who’ll grab the steering wheel, hit the brakes and steer, to try to keep this runaway bus from going over a cliff…

OnlyOrange on July 26, 2011 at 1:37 PM

a strategy that’s both curious slippery and smart cowardly

You’re welcome.

Western_Civ on July 26, 2011 at 1:41 PM

Mitt is using the “Prevent Defense,” which usually just prevents you from winning. His idea is to be the last mnimally acceptable person in the room In other words, the guy no one especially hates or even likes, but who is everyone’s third choice. That might seem a great strategy on paper, but I have one question. Who was the last candidate who used it successfully?

Fred 2 on July 26, 2011 at 1:46 PM

Me-Too-Mitt strikes…eventually.

SKYFOX on July 26, 2011 at 1:52 PM

Plus, other candidates’ reactions.

Other candidates?…Is there anyone else?

Falz on July 26, 2011 at 1:58 PM

Hey Mittens, long time no hear. What’s your take on this? Uh, never mind — Johnny come lately.

AH_C on July 26, 2011 at 1:59 PM

Faraway @ 12:57 PM
At least he has a hot smokin wife.

Rick Perry does too.
volsense on July 26, 2011 at 1:13 PM

I’ll see their smokin hot wives and raise with a smokin hot husband!

Palin 2012! Bringing the USA the first smokin hot First Gentleman! :D

pannw on July 26, 2011 at 2:01 PM

So he tweeted while hiding under his desk…Better than nothing, I guess…

Gohawgs on July 26, 2011 at 2:05 PM

So, Romney waits until EVERY other candidate (and one notable non-candidate) weighs in, sticks his head out of his hole, sees his shadow and makes a statement as non-substative as the one he is “criticizing.”

Nothing to see here, move along.

PJ Emeritus on July 26, 2011 at 2:06 PM

It’s looking increasingly like Romney’s race to win unless Perry gets in.

MJBrutus on July 26, 2011 at 2:08 PM

MJBrutus on July 26, 2011 at 2:08 PM
The race doesn’t begin for another couple of weeks.

sleepy-beans on July 26, 2011 at 2:14 PM

As I’ve said, Mitt won’t hit the Bamster… You can’t rope-a-dope this guy…

Perry is our only real chance to bodyslam this boob. Perry, warts and all, is the only person, I believe, who will do it.

PA Guy on July 26, 2011 at 2:15 PM

Anyway, Romney was on safe territory with his tweet

You’ve just summed up his entire political career.

Mitt talking about leadership… that’s a laugh.

mankai on July 26, 2011 at 2:15 PM

The race doesn’t begin for another couple of weeks.

sleepy-beans on July 26, 2011 at 2:14 PM

And yet, for all but Mitt and Perry it is over.

MJBrutus on July 26, 2011 at 2:20 PM

… a strategy that’s both curious and smart for someone who has made the economy the centerpiece of his campaign.

Really, Tina? So, assuming Palin had been trumpeted as the frontrunner and she had been as hesitant as “Mr. Frontrunner” Romney in weighing in on the debt limit debate, would you have described her strategy as curious and SMART?

TheRightMan on July 26, 2011 at 2:22 PM

I’m getting sick of his claims that the American people agree with him on everything. Last night he told the nation that most of us don’t know what a debt ceiling is. It’s a rhetorical trick as old as politics, but like any trick, if you rely on it too much, people catch on and get tired of being treated like dummies.

flataffect on July 26, 2011 at 2:39 PM

I’m a bit concerned, Tina.

A blog entry on Santorum (as though anybody here cares about his 2% support) and now a blog entry on Mitt’s uninteresting and timid tweet?

mankai on July 26, 2011 at 3:13 PM

If you want to read something that explains what we need in our Republican candidate read this mornings WSJ article on the opinion page called “Steel”. It is so close to the way I look at this that I think the guy who wrote it must have read my mind. Windsock Romney has no steel in his entire body. He is a sniper who NEVER leads on anything unless it has been PR tested. Look at the rest of the field. Not too much steel there either. Who do we all know who is made of steel? Sarah Palin!!!

inspectorudy on July 26, 2011 at 3:46 PM

And if she had put together the words “An historic” in a tweet the media would be wall-to-wall with Palin is teh stoopid coverage.

And cult members like you would be busy rewriting English history to show she got it exactly right, even though she was wrong. But thanks for proving, once again, why she has no chance of winning. The media will treat her differently from almost every other candidate.

Besides, she said all that needed saying a week ago on this subject. Mitt is once again a day late and a dollar short.

So, Palin doing her own thing = good. Mitt not doing things your way = bad. In other words, Palin is allowed to march to her own drummer. Everyone else has to march to your drummer. Gotcha

turfmann

xblade on July 26, 2011 at 4:00 PM

xblade on July 26, 2011 at 4:00 PM

Mitt, after a couple of weeks of Kabuki theater in D.C., tweeted one line about the charade going on. His forte is supposed to be his business acumen. As the current front runner, why wasn’t he engaged (at least some) before this tweet? Playing not to lose is not playing to win…

Gohawgs on July 26, 2011 at 4:10 PM

Wow, Candidate Irrelevant really let President Irrelevant have it this time!! I can’t wait to not vote or either one next year!!!

PetecminMd on July 26, 2011 at 4:19 PM

(I’m still appalled that the president baldly suggested Americans don’t understand what a debt ceiling increase means — and tried to tell us it isn’t a license to spend more!)

One must understand fund accounting to know why this makes sense to a government official.

Your budget is what you appropriate, not what you have to spend. So, raising the debt limit is only allowing them to spend for something that was already budgeted for. It’s not new spending to them, they already accounted for the spending, just not the revenue to pay for it.

Keith_Indy on July 26, 2011 at 4:32 PM

Because of the deep haterd for Romney at Hot Air his supporters no longer feel like discussing politics here. You have succeeded in making this a Romney free zone. Congratulations.

petunia on July 26, 2011 at 5:35 PM

Because of the deep haterd for Romney at Hot Air his supporters no longer feel like discussing politics here. You have succeeded in making this a Romney free zone. Congratulations.

petunia on July 26, 2011 at 5:35 PM

I don’t hate him, just feel he’s a weak candidate with nothing to offer that is of interest to me.

Siddhartha Vicious on July 26, 2011 at 9:01 PM

Hey, petunia:

George Voinovich to endorse Romney

Hahahahahahahahahah

steebo77 on July 26, 2011 at 9:06 PM

Needless to say, my dad was almost silent after I told him all of this(a rare occurrence, BTW). What’s shocking is he’s politically astute, fiscally conservative, and works in the medical field. You’d think he’d despise Mittens, but this whole “electability” argument is apparently all he needs for the guy. So it’s safe to assume there are many others out there who are the same. They just want Obama gone in 2012 and if Romney looks like the candidate with the best shot at winning, so be it.

Doughboy on July 26, 2011 at 1:11 PM

Exactly. Part of the problem is that folks haven’t even begun to focus on the primaries, so they do a quick read on CW and conclude: yep, sounds about right, Mitts’ the one.

Right now, the candidates are contrasting their positions against Obie, but sooner or later, they’re going to have to start on each other, contrasting their positions. Contrary to the LSM meme, vigorously comparing their positions and pointing out flaws in each other’s positions does not violate Reagan’s 11th commandment. Failure to do that in ’08 is what gave us McVain.

AH_C on July 26, 2011 at 9:23 PM

I think it is wise for the candidates to let this play out. The enemy is Obama and there is no reason to get involved in such a fluid situation. Especially when it is not clear if the reps are going to stand firm or cave. There is no reason to take a position that Obama can use to help himself get reelected in 2012. We will let him defend his record.

Like him or not, Romney is playing to the indies because they will decide the 2012 election. He knows because of the universal disgust with Obama that he can count on the support of a majority of the GOP. Only the loons will stay home or vote third party. Thankfully, those people are such a miniscule amount of the smallest minority, that they wont matter one whit. They’ll just sit at home hacking away at their noses with a dull butter knife to spite their face.

csdeven on July 26, 2011 at 10:52 PM

Only the loons will stay home or vote third party. Thankfully, those people are such a miniscule amount of the smallest minority, that they wont matter one whit. They’ll just sit at home hacking away at their noses with a dull butter knife to spite their face.

csdeven on July 26, 2011 at 10:52 PM

You ignore the history of how the 3rd party GOP replaced the founding Whigs between 1856 & 1860 — because they wanted to maintain the centrist status quo. We’re long overdue for new party if the GOP won’t reform.

AH_C on July 26, 2011 at 11:38 PM

You ignore the history of how the 3rd party GOP replaced the founding Whigs between 1856 & 1860 — because they wanted to maintain the centrist status quo. We’re long overdue for new party if the GOP won’t reform.

AH_C on July 26, 2011 at 11:38 PM

I remember that the population of this country was decidedly smaller (31 million) and it was much easier to generate the support needed to make that change. The only outcome of a conservative third party would be to hand the 2012 election to the demrats.

csdeven on July 27, 2011 at 9:55 AM

I remember that the population of this country was decidedly smaller (31 million) and it was much easier to generate the support needed to make that change. The only outcome of a conservative third party would be to hand the 2012 election to the demrats.

csdeven on July 27, 2011 at 9:55 AM

And I see that America, and by extension, the world is more connected than ever. It is now possible for 100% of the people to hear and see the candidate thru any number of media venues.

Of the 31 million people back then, at best 1 million ever heard Abe speak live once. Today, more people have access to 1st hand info, straight from the candidate’s mouth, material etc, whereas back then, 10% were lucky to even get an accurate 2nd hand account from a reporter. Others had to settle for word of mouth info. About the only thing in common between now and then is the literacy rate, although back then, the illiterate had bucketloads of commonsense compared to the 50% functional idiots that elected this marxist puppet.

So in essence, it was much harder to generate support needed to make the change, more so when the pivotal issue was slavery and split 3 ways by the parties: keep the status quo, abolish or promote the institution of slavery.

No, a committed 3rd party can win, when it presents a clear alternative to the current parties, especially if the GOP offers up a RINO. The critical mass is there and I hope this debt fiasco pushes it over. It will be that or in short time, we’ll be talking the S word when more states assert the 10th and failing that, forced to take drastic measure. Once we lose TX, which constitutionally retained that right, expect others to follow.

AH_C on July 29, 2011 at 12:12 AM