Obama speech: lots of words, no solutions

posted at 8:45 am on July 26, 2011 by Ed Morrissey

For the fifth time in three weeks, Barack Obama seized the bully pulpit in the debt-ceiling debate, this time using a prime-time speech instead of a press conference to do so.  And for the fifth time in three weeks, Obama literally did nothing with it except to utter the same platitudes and clichés as he did on the previous four occasions.  Obama offered no solutions, no specifics for a solution, and spent 15 minutes avoiding both.

And at least one media outlet noticed:

President Barack Obama elbowed his way back into the debt ceiling debate Monday night, three days after Republicans shoved him out, but he offered no hint of a solution to the escalating political and financial crisis.

Politico also got the impression that Obama was delivering a campaign speech rather than a solution to a crisis that Obama himself has hyped considerably:

Beyond the I’m-still-here theme of the speech, Obama sought to strike the larger themes of his 2012 campaign, aimed at independent voters who have only now begun tuning into the debt debate: the need for compromise, his disgust with partisan Washington and his determination to make the rich pay their fair share. If his campaign-style rhetoric was persuasive, it came at an awkward time, during the final days when a reasonable debt ceiling compromise can still be struck.

Awkward indeed.  Obama repeatedly blasted Republicans for not agreeing with his approach while providing no plan at all, and modeled the need for compromise with … a campaign speech.  Anyone listening to Obama’s fifth foray in front of the cameras this month — by far the most intense public-relations campaign Obama has conducted in more than a year — could be forgiven for wondering why the President didn’t spend at least some of that time actually developing and presenting his own plan.

The simple answer: Obama doesn’t want the responsibility for raising the debt ceiling, cutting spending, and/or raising taxes.  This is what passes for leadership in the era of Hope and Change — voting present.

Obama has worked hard to make himself irrelevant over the last few weeks, and he’s about to get his wish.  Harry Reid and John Boehner are now working on competing proposals for a solution to the debt crisis, which is what Republicans wanted all along.  As soon as something passes in the Senate, the House can pass a reworked version of the bill and send the issue into conference committee.  This is normal legislative procedure, abandoned by Reid with the Senate’s refusal to act over the last few months.  A conference committee will produce a bill that will get up-or-down votes in both chambers.

Assuming that process works — and there is no reason to believe it won’t, having been used for 222 years — Obama will find a bill on his desk, likely one with cuts and no new revenues and one that may or may not take the US past the next election.  Does he dare veto it?  Oddly, as National Journal’s Major Garrett discovered, “veto” was one word that didn’t appear in Obama’s rhetorical blizzard.   Reid and Boehner will finally get Obama out of the legislative process, a change that will not only highlight his status as the major obstacle to making a deal but also his near-total irrelevance to an eventual solution.

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Lame Duck

ted c on July 26, 2011 at 8:46 AM

Incompetent. Irrelevant. Illogical.

Just pass something, and he has to sign it, or take the full responsibility of his actions.

neoavatara on July 26, 2011 at 8:48 AM

Obama speech: lots of words, no solutions?

You were expecting anything different?

It is the only shtick Obama has.

coldwarrior on July 26, 2011 at 8:48 AM

The following is a list of campaign promises that Obama has kept:

The Mega Independent on July 26, 2011 at 8:49 AM

Different Day……..same lies.

PappyD61 on July 26, 2011 at 8:50 AM

Lame Duck

ted c on July 26, 2011 at 8:46 AM

Quack!

backwoods conservative on July 26, 2011 at 8:51 AM

Of course, you have to ask yourself:

“Do you really want his leadership?”

Barack Obama’a leadership means:

Advancement of Marxist Principles
Tax increases
Spending increases
Reduction in personal freedom
And so on…..

So ask yourself – do you really want him to lead?

cktheman on July 26, 2011 at 8:51 AM

The simple answer: Obama doesn’t want the responsibility for raising the debt ceiling, cutting spending, and/or raising taxes. This is what passes for leadership in the era of Hope and Change — voting present.

Or, not voting at all…

Obama has never voted to raise the debt ceiling

BKeyser on July 26, 2011 at 8:15 AM

Fallon on July 26, 2011 at 8:51 AM

The following is a list of campaign promises that Obama has kept:

The Mega Independent on July 26, 2011 at 8:49 AM

LOL!!!!!!

gophergirl on July 26, 2011 at 8:52 AM

but morning joe thought he gave a great speech

cmsinaz on July 26, 2011 at 8:52 AM

Schadenfreude: Tina Brown and her British accent on Morning Joe: “It’s not enough for the Republicans to have to compromise with him, they have to humiliate Obama. Just see him humiliated.” Awwwwwww!

What’s with the ass Joe Scarborough and his hate for The Tea Party while in the same breath saying what an “effective” Conservative he was in office? He’s baiting Obama to reject ANY thing they had to offer. “If I was president, I wouldn’t do it!”

Sweet, sweet tears at MSNBC. Must have been a VERY good night and morning after for The Tea Party, and Boehner.

Marcus on July 26, 2011 at 8:53 AM

Even the LAT & WAPO can’t hide his plummeting numbers and his overall suckiness.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2011/07/obama-poll-jobs-democratic-base-crumbling.html

544 days
544 days
544 days
544 days

PappyD61 on July 26, 2011 at 8:53 AM

Do people still listen to his blather?

The LAMEST PRESIDENT EVAH!

j_galt on July 26, 2011 at 8:53 AM

when you’ve lost politico….

cmsinaz on July 26, 2011 at 8:54 AM

Marcus on July 26, 2011 at 8:53 AM

joe had a moment of clarity last week and now he’s back in the darkness….

cmsinaz on July 26, 2011 at 8:55 AM

By the way, for all of those in the past few days giving Boehner what-for in the comments, the guy’s doing a pretty good job of PR for the right thing to do.

I’m cautiously optimistic. Let’s keep the heat up.

beatcanvas on July 26, 2011 at 8:57 AM

Sweet, sweet tears at MSNBC. Must have been a VERY good night and morning after for The Tea Party, and Boehner.

Marcus on July 26, 2011 at 8:53 AM

Boehner was the one that sounded like the President last night and I’m sure the lsm knows it.

gophergirl on July 26, 2011 at 8:57 AM

Obama is overwhelmingly dishonest – even by politician standards. I don’t see how my opinion of this buffoon could go any lower, but it probably will.

His “default on our responsibilities” flimflam is pretty disgusting. And the media failing to call him on it is even more pathetic.

forest on July 26, 2011 at 8:57 AM

Quite often, I’ve used the term “Badministration” in reference to this President, but that tag does not even come close to describing this contemptible group of people currently occupying the White House. Watching him maneuver in these negotiations over the last few weeks has brought about a particular nausea.

I cannot recall a President in recent history who has engaged in such an Orwellian style of rhetoric. I cannot recall an executive in recent history who has displayed such a flippant, above-it-all demeanor.

2012 cannot come fast enough.

blatantblue on July 26, 2011 at 8:59 AM

Not sure whether this is the epitome of incompetence or simply insanity. When you are dealing with narcissism of this magnitude there is no difference. When the world’s economy is on the brink of destruction there is no one home in the White House. I guess this happens when you turn your public educational system over to a labor union.

volsense on July 26, 2011 at 9:00 AM

Ha, Mika just walked off Morning Joe in a huff. Claims “the Tea Party is the cause of all the problems in Washington” and the others laughed at her. Course, it was the end of the show – but she and Tina Brown are just boo-hooing.

Marcus on July 26, 2011 at 9:01 AM

And for the fifth time in three weeks, Obama literally did nothing with it except to utter the same platitudes and clichés as he did on the previous four occasions.

platitudes and clichés are the foundation of Greek Pillars…(add elmer’s glue if necessary)

Rovin on July 26, 2011 at 9:02 AM

I hadn’t thought of this and I am sure someone else has, but doesn’t The Won manufacturing crisis after needless crisis get him a lot of free TV time? I guess it is too soon to claim a pattern but it will be interesting to see if he leans on the office to make up for less funding. When he falls short, the answer is always the taxpayers wallet.

Cindy Munford on July 26, 2011 at 9:03 AM

Obama, Reid and their enablers in the media are out in force this morning, panic mongering and telling the American people they are just too dumb to understand the problem. Obama offers to solutions . . . destroy the country sooner or destroy the country later. I say let it go into default and we’ll start the process of rebuilding this once great Republic and run ever one of these Marxist bums out of office. This nation has become a zoo for parasites clamoring for more free stuff from the nanny government and it must be stopped.

rplat on July 26, 2011 at 9:04 AM

This debt ceiling “crisis”is nothing compared to the next JDAM when Obamacare kicks in.I guess people will notice their paychecks keep shrinking.

docflash on July 26, 2011 at 9:04 AM

Marcus on July 26, 2011 at 9:01 AM

Sometimes it appears as if liberals have never heard the word “No” in their entire lives.

Cindy Munford on July 26, 2011 at 9:05 AM

“the Tea Party is the cause of all the problems in Washington”

Marcus on July 26, 2011 at 9:01 AM

You’re welcome, Mika, lol.

Fallon on July 26, 2011 at 9:06 AM

If the GOP retakes the Senate in 2012 and continues to hold the House, it will be meaningless if Boenher remains Speaker and McConnell becomes Majority leader. We need DeMint to run the Senate and someone for the so-called Tea Party wing to run the House. The budget will NOT get truly fixed unless that happens.

michaelo on July 26, 2011 at 9:06 AM

Lame Dick.
Clear as a bell to me.

pambi on July 26, 2011 at 9:07 AM

rplat on July 26, 2011 at 9:04 AM

Unfortunately a default doesn’t give us a new president or Senate. These are not the people I would want to handle any rebuild of anything.

Cindy Munford on July 26, 2011 at 9:07 AM

Obama was and is nothing but an empty Marxist anti-God TOTUS from the beginning – complete with propagandized symbols (rainbows) songs, MMM,MMM, faux foam pillars,faux messiah talk, and an army of left leaning media types ready to protect and sell this image with all their might.

Now, as his halo rusts, his hope and change makes us cringe to hear it, his rainbow road morphed into quicksand, his totus grows angrier and more accusatory daily, he is on final trip back to whence he came-obscurity! An cold calculating man who shares the same color skin as MLK and nothing else, a man having no character worth searching the depths of his arrogance for.

Don L on July 26, 2011 at 9:09 AM

He really is voting “present.”

He knows damn well that Boehner and Reid will not abandon their posts even if he does; they will put something together with paper clips and baling wire (which we will all probably hate), and bring it to him, and he will sign it, and declare the crisis over thanks to the Republicans’ willingness to compromise. Then his operatives in the media will do their best to spin it as a capitulation by the Republicans in order to split the GOP and demoralize the Tea Party. This has been their goal all along.

He is playing a bad hand here as well as he can, and using the opportunity to practice his campaign stump speech. What is infuriating is that so far the media are letting him get away with it, and convincing a large swath of voters that Republicans are at fault for the whole mess.

rockmom on July 26, 2011 at 9:09 AM

Would our side please quit using the word “Revenues”? The Dims have successfully gotten our side from using the word TAXES!!!!

Dingbat63 on July 26, 2011 at 9:10 AM

CHRIS MATTHEWS: Well, I thought the President used a couple of words we’re familiar with: “Fair and balanced.” It was like a Fox commercial there. I thought that was interesting. Fair then balanced then fair again then balanced again, over and over again to make a case for his position.

Del Dolemonte on July 26, 2011 at 9:10 AM

You hear this kind of nonsense from Obama, and you realize why the left is so upset with him. They thought they’d elected a man of leftist principle, and instead discover they elected and empty suit who cares about nothing but himself. No wonder the Tina Browns of the world are boo-hooing.

Athanasius on July 26, 2011 at 9:11 AM

Does anyone even listen to Obama anymore? He has managed to make himself completely irrelevent.
The only thing stunning about this is that the media keep giving him free airtime for his campaign speeches. You would think they’d need the money. But Obama needs the money…………….ha.
Thank you Tea Party. If this is indeed your fault, you’ve done a spectacular job.

ORconservative on July 26, 2011 at 9:13 AM

Down the Rabbit Hole—A President’s Fairy Tale

Here’s an idea, lets keep Pelosi, Reid, and Obama running the government for another five years and we can all live in caves—well, half of us, ‘cause the other half will be deceased or heading there, (if a complete financial meltdown occurred). The Obama presser on Friday, (and again last night), told us much. 1) The President’s threshold for blaming Bush for his own ineptitudes are long over. The liberal progressive experiment with “beta-socialism” is hopefully history, and Obama knows this is a loosing pipe dream. And 2), even the mainstream media can’t cut and paste over the fact that Pelosi, Reid, and Obama have everything to do with adding trillions of debt to a nation that was already in deep financial trouble. Yes, it’s still the economy, stupid. Pelosi would let entitlement programs turn to dust before accepting they have to be reformed to stay solvent. Yet this woman would let them all tank to maintain this sycophantic lust for power. Reid, well why would any one waste the words for a Las Vegas union pawn. Both Pelosi and Reid started their long awaited lame duckness last November and half the nation will rejoice as they fade away. Barack Obama is not far behind. In three short years, these three have managed to take a financial recession crisis and turn it into a crusade for big government, spending like drunken sailors even as Joe Q. Public cut their family budgets to the bone.

And, as if on cue, the liberal media, (Barack Obama’s back-up TOTUS), falsely claims Republicans are not willing to compromise to allow another 2.5 trillion to be added to a 14 trillion dollar debt. Yet the narrative is slipping from their grasp as the general public engages themselves, (despite Obama’s claim that they are not paying attention) wondering how a government can run for over two years without a national budget. With a conservative controlled House, Republicans have passed a budget, passed a debt ceiling agreement, (CCB), and sent the legislation to the Senate only to have both measures die without even a serious debate. Meanwhile President Obama and the liberal progressives have offered nothing on paper as even the CBO makes the embarrassing statement that they can’t score rhetorical speeches. As the same backroom deals that gave us the hugely unpopular ObamaCare continues to get carried out, the only concern for the President is to kick the debt can past next year’s election as if the whole crisis will some how disappear into thin air—-or down the rabbit hole—either way Obama’s not accepting any reality that Americans expect this government to STOP SPENDING!

Rovin on July 26, 2011 at 9:13 AM

If the GOP retakes the Senate in 2012 and continues to hold the House, it will be meaningless if Boenher remains Speaker and McConnell becomes Majority leader. We need DeMint to run the Senate and someone for the so-called Tea Party wing to run the House. The budget will NOT get truly fixed unless that happens.

michaelo on July 26, 2011 at 9:06 AM

I don’t trust DeMint either. How about Ron Johnson or Marco Rubio as Majority Leader? Let’s get rid of the “Southern ‘cracker’ image of the GOP once and for all.” I would LOVE to see Johnson in a meeting with Obama, or even with Harry Reid . Let’s start electing leaders who have actually run businesses and created jobs! One thing I love about John Boehner is he always talks about having owned a small business before he ran for Congress. He understands what the rest of us are going through right now.

rockmom on July 26, 2011 at 9:13 AM

Flaccid

ted c on July 26, 2011 at 9:14 AM

but morning joe thought he gave a great speech

cmsinaz on July 26, 2011 at 8:52 AM

Obama could fire off a loud wet fart live on camera and Morning Schmo would still say it sounded great.

pilamaye on July 26, 2011 at 9:15 AM

‘utter the same platitudes and clichés’,,, my, my, did anyone expect differently.
‘Obama offered no solutions, no specifics for a solution, and spent 15 minutes avoiding both.’ What I said.

Kissmygrits on July 26, 2011 at 9:15 AM

CHRIS MATTHEWS: Well, I thought the President used a couple of words we’re familiar with: “Fair and balanced.” It was like a Fox commercial there. I thought that was interesting. Fair then balanced then fair again then balanced again, over and over again to make a case for his position.

Del Dolemonte on July 26, 2011 at 9:10 AM

Yes, that was a deliberate shout-out to Fox viewers, and he invoked Reagan again. These numbskulls in the White House seem to think they know the right dog-whistles to use on us dumb conservative rubes to get us behind whatever Obama wants and make us turn on the Republican leadership. It’s so ham-handed and clumsy it is hilarious. They are morons.

rockmom on July 26, 2011 at 9:15 AM

Would our side please quit using the word “Revenues”? The Dims have successfully gotten our side from using the word TAXES!!!!

Dingbat63 on July 26, 2011 at 9:10 AM

You forget that many on our side don’t really want to shrink government. To sustain it in its current form, they will need increased revenue – they just don’t want to remind you that increased revenue is taxes.

beatcanvas on July 26, 2011 at 9:16 AM

pilamaye on July 26, 2011 at 9:15 AM

tru dat

cmsinaz on July 26, 2011 at 9:16 AM

Ha, Mika just walked off Morning Joe in a huff. Claims “the Tea Party is the cause of all the problems in Washington” and the others laughed at her. Course, it was the end of the show – but she and Tina Brown are just boo-hooing.

Marcus on July 26, 2011 at 9:01 AM

Evidence that the era of hope and change is over -the leftist media guard (Mike and Crissy)is having a melt-down.

All it took was for the GOP to finally say no and back it up. They put all their eggs into the game of overspending and then in a grand show of blame, accuse the hapless GOP of heartlessly destroying the lives of the poor, the kids and old folks.
Forcing the Dems to do the choosing of what to cut was like a nuke in the heart of their long-planned strategy.

Double down GOP and start attacking the media for selling out America for this Marxist-watch them run.

Don L on July 26, 2011 at 9:17 AM

BO reminds me of the roasted ducks hanging in the asian markets throughout SanFran. They’re plucked, gutted, and roasted…and just hanging around waiting to be divided into a million pieces….

jbh45 on July 26, 2011 at 9:18 AM

The following is a list of campaign promises that Obama has kept:

The Mega Independent on July 26, 2011 at 8:49 AM

Sorry pal, but I get your post but it is wrong, there has been many promises he made, that he has kept.
Abortion
Raising energy prices
More government oversight
Obamacare
The problem is, he has kept many of HIS promises, but none of the American promises of “change”.

right2bright on July 26, 2011 at 9:20 AM

Laura Ingraham:

Basically just told DeMint, Chaffetz, et.al to shut-up, back up Boehner and resume the fight in 5-6 months again because…

Boehner has done what he needed to do and he has Obama sweating bullets b/c Boehner now holds the upper hand…

Interesting take…she admits she has been hard on Boehner but today will have to be different b/c the Tea Party can’t expect to have everything and to stop grumbling everytime there is some progress…

Hmmmmmmmm

LordMaximus on July 26, 2011 at 9:22 AM

I don’t trust DeMint either. How about Ron Johnson or Marco Rubio as Majority Leader? Let’s get rid of the “Southern ‘cracker’ image of the GOP once and for all.” I would LOVE to see Johnson in a meeting with Obama, or even with Harry Reid . Let’s start electing leaders who have actually run businesses and created jobs! One thing I love about John Boehner is he always talks about having owned a small business before he ran for Congress. He understands what the rest of us are going through right now.

rockmom on July 26, 2011 at 9:13 AM

You’ ve got a problem with Jim DeMint’s history of small business ownership, common sense remedies to our health care issues (which we will still have even if O’care is eliminated) and pre-TEA Party conservatism? What makes Boehner and Rubio so superior in your mind?

rwenger43 on July 26, 2011 at 9:23 AM

Still can’t get through to the Speaker’s email…

Don’t let Obama’s union minions sway you one bit, Mr. Speaker.

Stay strong, GOP. Be Bold.

Fallon on July 26, 2011 at 9:23 AM

Liar.

BKeyser on July 26, 2011 at 9:24 AM

LordMaximus on July 26, 2011 at 9:22 AM

Laura knows what’s up. The White House is throwing a Hail Mary here, hoping the GOP will self-destruct and dissolve into a circular firing squad. It’s the only chance Obama has in 2012.

We need to keep our eye on the long game here, which is electing Republican Senators and a new President in 2012. We cannot die on this hill.

rockmom on July 26, 2011 at 9:26 AM

I wrote in this article that, for Minnesotans, President Obama’s speech sounded like one of Gov. Dayton’s.

PS- If I’m a TV network, I’d be upset that President Obama asked for time to deliver a campaign speech. Let’s see if the networks say anything about that this morning.

LFRGary on July 26, 2011 at 9:26 AM

While it’s clear President Cry Baby is crashing and burning pretty hard these days, I’d hold my celebration until the day after the 2012 election. Americans love an underdog, a “come back kid.” What a perfect image for Team Obama to craft: the scrappy, come-from-behind “workhorse” who “almost” lost his presidency because he was “doing it for the little people.” Barry needs a theme, and “coming back” is a good one. Watch for it to take hold over the next few weeks. Every news magazine — every single one — will have a smiling Barry on its cover soon under the blaring headline “The Come Back Kid!” And every MSM outlet will do story after story about Obama “rebounding” as Americans “consider the alternative.” Once the debt ceiling is raised, and of course it will be, we will see a “rehabilitate Barry” effort like you cannot imagine.

Rational Thought on July 26, 2011 at 9:26 AM

Hope everyone is contacting their congressperson today!

ctmom on July 26, 2011 at 9:28 AM

You’ ve got a problem with Jim DeMint’s history of small business ownership, common sense remedies to our health care issues (which we will still have even if O’care is eliminated) and pre-TEA Party conservatism? What makes Boehner and Rubio so superior in your mind?

rwenger43 on July 26, 2011 at 9:23 AM

Aren’t we wrong to trust any politician?

Anyone with that much power over us is not to be trusted – even if their intentions are noble, all that matters is whether they’re preserving our freedom and reducing the power of government.

Therefore, they only have value to the degree that I am free. And right now, I’m unimpressed with all of them. Keep the heat up.

beatcanvas on July 26, 2011 at 9:29 AM

You’ ve got a problem with Jim DeMint’s history of small business ownership, common sense remedies to our health care issues (which we will still have even if O’care is eliminated) and pre-TEA Party conservatism? What makes Boehner and Rubio so superior in your mind?

rwenger43 on July 26, 2011 at 9:23 AM

DeMint is just as power-hungry as any of the so-called Establishment RINOs. I have some friends in the South Carolina GOP (no, not Lindsey Graham’s people either) who hate him and think he is a snake. Every time I hear DeMint, he is criticizing other Republicans more than he is the Democrats.

DeMint is also a perfect caricature of Republicans as far as the general public is concerned. Another tired old Southern good old boy.

rockmom on July 26, 2011 at 9:30 AM

1
Both Boehner and Obama were being partisan and pissypantsed.

2
Obama basically regurgitated his previous stance that clearly outlined the 10,000 feet up generalities of his solutions so it’s ludicrous to claim Obama didn’t offer any solutions.

How come you’re not claiming Boehner offered no solutions? He did the exact same detail-free regurgitation. I guess I’m forgetting this is Hotair. Oh well. Lesson learned.

3
Boehner: “The sad truth is that the president wanted a blank check six months ago, and he wants a blank check today”

Given that there would be a very specific number by which the debt ceiling would be raised, this is clearly a bullsh*t lie/stretch, meant to rally the/pander to the base.

4
The Balanced Budget Amendment to the Constitution is a childish spiteful stupid idea that panders to stupid people. It insults the electorate’s intelligence.

Dave Rywall on July 26, 2011 at 9:31 AM

rockmom

CCB/BBA CAN BE passed in the Senate

That is the issue…Yes, Boehner has shown that Obama has his back up against the wall and we should celebrate

But…why stop? We are 4 votes from Senate passing b/c it has been tabled.

If it passed, Obama would not DARE veto it at this point.

LordMaximus on July 26, 2011 at 9:31 AM

Obama channeled Jim Bakker last night.

kingsjester on July 26, 2011 at 9:31 AM

That’s what community organizers do. Just talk.

SouthernGent on July 26, 2011 at 9:32 AM

The problem is, he has kept many of HIS promises, but none of the American promises of “change”.

right2bright on July 26, 2011 at 9:20 AM

His Cloward-Piven approach to “fundamentally change” America has been very successful. He’s lowered America’s status in the world. He’s bankrupted the country and created a large army of “folks” dependent on the government. 80 million checks go out from the treasury every month to Americans. He’s run around the Constitution and Congress with czars and fiats. He’s created divisions in society based on class and race. He’s been very successful keeping his promises.

Fallon on July 26, 2011 at 9:32 AM

Obama could fire off a loud wet fart live on camera and Morning Schmo would still say it sounded great.

pilamaye on July 26, 2011 at 9:15 AM

No, they would ignore it like it didn’t happen. Little Bammie gave the middle finger to Hillary in speeches during the campaign, to Republicans in a speech before the Congress, and in Republicans in meetings at the White House, and according to the old media it didn’t happen.

slickwillie2001 on July 26, 2011 at 9:34 AM

but morning joe thought he gave a great speech

cmsinaz on July 26, 2011 at 8:52 AM

He was able to hear it above his own slurping noises?

Extrafishy on July 26, 2011 at 9:34 AM

It’s great for members of Congress to have been small business owners but are they still? How long ago was it and how representative is it under current circumstances?

Cindy Munford on July 26, 2011 at 9:37 AM

Dave Rywall on July 26, 2011 at 9:31 AM

No, Mr. Rywall, number 3 is incorrect. The Won wanted “revenue” which means taxes. That is where the blank check comes in. The point that neither you nor The Won seems to understand is that this behavior has gone on for too long. Why make disparage those who want to stop it? You can’t do the same things over and over again and expect different results.

Cindy Munford on July 26, 2011 at 9:41 AM

It’s great for members of Congress to have been small business owners but are they still? How long ago was it and how representative is it under current circumstances?

Cindy Munford on July 26, 2011 at 9:37 AM

Here in Des Moines, I’m tired of driving by strip malls and seeing vacated store after vacated store. You’re right – that’s not the America they knew when they owned their businesses.

beatcanvas on July 26, 2011 at 9:41 AM

1
Both Boehner and Obama were being partisan and pissypantsed.

2
Obama basically regurgitated his previous stance that clearly outlined the 10,000 feet up generalities of his solutions so it’s ludicrous to claim Obama didn’t offer any solutions.

How come you’re not claiming Boehner offered no solutions? He did the exact same detail-free regurgitation. I guess I’m forgetting this is Hotair. Oh well. Lesson learned.

3
Boehner: “The sad truth is that the president wanted a blank check six months ago, and he wants a blank check today”

Given that there would be a very specific number by which the debt ceiling would be raised, this is clearly a bullsh*t lie/stretch, meant to rally the/pander to the base.

4
The Balanced Budget Amendment to the Constitution is a childish spiteful stupid idea that panders to stupid people. It insults the electorate’s intelligence.

Dave Rywall on July 26, 2011 at 9:31 AM1
Both Boehner and Obama were being partisan and pissypantsed.

2
Obama basically regurgitated his previous stance that clearly outlined the 10,000 feet up generalities of his solutions so it’s ludicrous to claim Obama didn’t offer any solutions.

How come you’re not claiming Boehner offered no solutions? He did the exact same detail-free regurgitation. I guess I’m forgetting this is Hotair. Oh well. Lesson learned.

3
Boehner: “The sad truth is that the president wanted a blank check six months ago, and he wants a blank check today”

Given that there would be a very specific number by which the debt ceiling would be raised, this is clearly a bullsh*t lie/stretch, meant to rally the/pander to the base.

4
The Balanced Budget Amendment to the Constitution is a childish spiteful stupid idea that panders to stupid people. It insults the electorate’s intelligence.

Dave Rywall on July 26, 2011 at 9:31 AM

You’re wrong, desperate and really not very amusing. Try MSNBC they love your ilk.

rplat on July 26, 2011 at 9:44 AM

beatcanvas on July 26, 2011 at 9:41 AM

I have such a jaundiced view of politicians that I am certain if they still own a business they have written the laws so that somehow they don’t pertain to them. I’m sure I am being grossly unfair but they have only themselves to blame when people see them as dishonest.

Cindy Munford on July 26, 2011 at 9:47 AM

Since Obama is a communist (in all but official name- he is a genuine “Red Diaper Baby”) of course he only spoke in platitudes and cliches. That’s what all communists do all the time. They are the most amazingly boring, unimaginative people on the planet. Commies make you long for Nazis for enemies just so there will be some excitement. Anyone who has ever been around a committed communist recognizes Obama’s perpetually redundant schtick. All he knows is boilerplate agitprop.

JimP on July 26, 2011 at 9:47 AM

beatcanvas on July 26, 2011 at 9:41 AM

When I (finally) was called back to work here in Elkhart County, I started to drive around and was astounded at the number of closed/abandoned factory buildings. Many of these were businesses I had sold to a couple years back. Truly depressing and makes me fear for the future as we rely on new business openings and existing business upgrades.

Extrafishy on July 26, 2011 at 9:47 AM

Would our side please quit using the word “Revenues”? The Dims have successfully gotten our side from using the word TAXES!!!!

Dingbat63 on July 26, 2011 at 9:10 AM

You forget that many on our side don’t really want to shrink government. To sustain it in its current form, they will need increased revenue – they just don’t want to remind you that increased revenue is taxes.

beatcanvas on July 26, 2011 at 9:16 AM

Exactly. Many Republics are just as interested in the status quo as Bama is. We don’t need any Constitutional amendment to cap spending. That’s a distraction. Congress can simply say, “no more.”

But the Repubs and the Dems are two side of the same coin – the political establishment. Right now, they are just fighting for control, but the outcome is always the same.

j_galt on July 26, 2011 at 9:49 AM

Dave Rywall on July 26, 2011 at 9:31 AM

No, Mr. Rywall, number 3 is incorrect. The Won wanted “revenue” which means taxes. That is where the blank check comes in. The point that neither you nor The Won seems to understand is that this behavior has gone on for too long. Why make disparage those who want to stop it? You can’t do the same things over and over again and expect different results.

Cindy Munford on July 26, 2011 at 9:41 AM
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Oh come the hell on – the bill would be excrutiatingly specific about any new taxes. It wouldn’t just say there will be new taxes of some sort sometime somewhere so get ready.

Your reaction is exactly the reaction he wants.

Dave Rywall on July 26, 2011 at 9:52 AM

It’s great for members of Congress to have been small business owners but are they still? How long ago was it and how representative is it under current circumstances?

Cindy Munford on July 26, 2011 at 9:37 AM

The ol’ look-I’m-just-like-you garbage. People drink it up.

Not sure when Boehner owned a small business though, since after college he had the same job with the same company for 13 years, climbing the ladder to become president, then went to congress.

Dave Rywall on July 26, 2011 at 9:53 AM

I have such a jaundiced view of politicians that I am certain if they still own a business they have written the laws so that somehow they don’t pertain to them. I’m sure I am being grossly unfair but they have only themselves to blame when people see them as dishonest.

Cindy Munford on July 26, 2011 at 9:47 AM

As I said earlier in the thread, no one with that much power should be trusted, and we’re fools if we start to trust them.

I’m pretty hopping mad at those who demagogue businesses and the people who start/own/manage them. Business is start and root of everything in this country.

There would be no jobs without business.
There would be no tax revenue without business.
There would be no government jobs without business.
There would be no money for non-profits without business.

Small business owners are the heroes of our society, and to see them get pilloried endlessly by some, or squeezed by others, infuriates me. Hopefully, it infuriates everyone else as well and spurs them to action.

beatcanvas on July 26, 2011 at 9:56 AM

It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
signifying nothing.

Quite the clairvoyant, the Bard was.

crazy_legs on July 26, 2011 at 9:56 AM

Obama: But where’s my adoration? Where’s my parade? Where’s the pictures and video of me with my halo???

capejasmine on July 26, 2011 at 9:57 AM

It insults the electorate’s intelligence.

Dave Rywall on July 26, 2011 at 9:31 AM

Spoken by a true expert on the subject!

Del Dolemonte on July 26, 2011 at 9:59 AM

“Not sure when Boehner owned a small business though, since after college he had the same job with the same company for 13 years, climbing the ladder to become president, then went to congress.
Dave Rywall on July 26, 2011 at 9:53 AM”

I agree, Dave. I checked into Boehner’s alleged entrpreneurial bona fides a while back and could only find that he climbed the ladder withing a company someone else established. I was left with that “less filling”-as in not satisfied- sense of him as a businessman.

JimP on July 26, 2011 at 9:59 AM

Dave Rywall on July 26, 2011 at 9:52 AM

What reaction? Our bills are so excruciatingly specific that on any day of the week you can find Medicare fraud to the tune of $350 million in Florida. The same government that gives out money hand over fist won’t allow verification of qualifications because it is either discriminatory or burdensome. The other thing about our specific bills is that they usually exempt Congress and their cronies. I think I have a pretty good handle on what goes on here but I appreciate your concern.

Cindy Munford on July 26, 2011 at 10:02 AM

“Not sure when Boehner owned a small business though, since after college he had the same job with the same company for 13 years, climbing the ladder to become president, then went to congress.
Dave Rywall on July 26, 2011 at 9:53 AM”

I agree, Dave. I checked into Boehner’s alleged entrpreneurial bona fides a while back and could only find that he climbed the ladder withing a company someone else established. I was left with that “less filling”-as in not satisfied- sense of him as a businessman.

JimP on July 26, 2011 at 9:59 AM
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Wait – maybe he’s counting a lemonade stand or a paper route as a small business.

Dave Rywall on July 26, 2011 at 10:02 AM

Dave Rywall on July 26, 2011 at 9:31 AM

Do you ever stop being negative, and insulting? It really doesn’t even concern you, but yet you come here, insult, offend, diss, and name call. Really now. Have you nothing better to do? Do the people in your own country even like you, that you feel the need to come here, and do nothing but bash America, and Americans?

capejasmine on July 26, 2011 at 10:03 AM

How come you’re not claiming Boehner offered no solutions? He did the exact same detail-free regurgitation. I guess I’m forgetting this is Hotair. Oh well. Lesson learned.

Dave Rywall on July 26, 2011 at 9:31 AM

The Republicans have now passed several bills that can be evaluated and scored.

The Dems?

The CBO can’t score a speech, press conferences, or press leak, Dave.

Call us when the President puts something in writing.

PackerBronco on July 26, 2011 at 10:03 AM

What reaction? Our bills are so excruciatingly specific that on any day of the week you can find Medicare fraud to the tune of $350 million in Florida. The same government that gives out money hand over fist won’t allow verification of qualifications because it is either discriminatory or burdensome. The other thing about our specific bills is that they usually exempt Congress and their cronies. I think I have a pretty good handle on what goes on here but I appreciate your concern.

Cindy Munford on July 26, 2011 at 10:02 AM
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If your legislation is so vaguely conceived and poorly written, then every single bill going through is a blank cheque. The bank bailout joke-for-the-ages would be the greatest example of all.

Dave Rywall on July 26, 2011 at 10:04 AM

I agree, Dave. I checked into Boehner’s alleged entrpreneurial bona fides a while back and could only find that he climbed the ladder withing a company someone else established. I was left with that “less filling”-as in not satisfied- sense of him as a businessman.

JimP on July 26, 2011 at 9:59 AM
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Wait – maybe he’s counting a lemonade stand or a paper route as a small business.

Dave Rywall on July 26, 2011 at 10:02 AM

I believe his family owned a pub, and he and his siblings worked there. They were probably all brought into the daily dealings of dollars, and sense!

So where is Obama’s expertise? Lying, hiring ghost writers for books about a dad he never knew, and community organizing? Puleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeze.

capejasmine on July 26, 2011 at 10:05 AM

Beyond the I’m-still-here theme of the speech, Obama sought to strike the larger themes of his 2012 campaign, aimed at independent voters who have only now begun tuning into the debt debate

My impression is that independents have been watching this. Maybe low-information non-voters having been ignoring this, but the debt ceiling is all that’s been on the news for quite some time.

Obama seems hopelessly adrift.

BuckeyeSam on July 26, 2011 at 10:05 AM

I’m expecting at least one more televised speech on or before August 2nd.

vcferlita on July 26, 2011 at 10:06 AM

Mika walked off Morning Joe? To be honest I have never watched Morning Joe. There’s something about illiteracy that is not entertaining.

volsense on July 26, 2011 at 10:07 AM

I am starting to see an amazing trend on other news websites, even at CNN and LATimes I see 99% of comments on various missteps by Obama being critical of him…excellent Smithers!

royzer on July 26, 2011 at 10:08 AM

Dave Rywall on July 26, 2011 at 9:31 AM

Do you ever stop being negative, and insulting? It really doesn’t even concern you, but yet you come here, insult, offend, diss, and name call. Really now. Have you nothing better to do? Do the people in your own country even like you, that you feel the need to come here, and do nothing but bash America, and Americans?

capejasmine on July 26, 2011 at 10:03 AM
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Every single person on Hotair criticizing Obama = okay

Me criticizing Obama AND Boehner AND the blind partisan hackery of Hotair= not okay

Thanks for the heads up.

Have a really swell day.

Dave Rywall on July 26, 2011 at 10:08 AM

Dave Rywall on July 26, 2011 at 9:53 AM

While I think it is very impressive to be hired out of college and end up running it. There are obviously basics that are helpful in running all businesses. The trick is to use power to help all of them but too often it used to help a focused number. Which is why I think we should have a legislative secession instead of professional politicians. But I would also like to win the lottery and I don’t see either of those things happening.

Cindy Munford on July 26, 2011 at 10:09 AM

So where is Obama’s expertise? Lying, hiring ghost writers for books about a dad he never knew, and community organizing? Puleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeze.

capejasmine on July 26, 2011 at 10:05 AM
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Obama never claimed to have small business experience.

It’s hilarious how you simply refuse to acknowledge that he was a college professor for 12 years.

Keep up the hackery.

And have a really swell day.

Dave Rywall on July 26, 2011 at 10:11 AM

The Balanced Budget Amendment to the Constitution is a childish spiteful stupid idea that panders to stupid people. It insults the electorate’s intelligence.
Dave Rywall on July 26, 2011 at 9:31 AM

A supermajority of Americans in the Clinton era said they favored a balanced budget amendment. In 1995, the House voted to put one on the table. It failed (by one vote) to clear the Senate.

I guess all of these people were “stupid” and “insulted” too, right Dave?

Rovin on July 26, 2011 at 10:12 AM

Dave Rywall on July 26, 2011 at 10:08 AM

I think we’re allowed to criticize a president , with which we disagree on. Not the man, his policies.

I don’t go to Canadian political sites and bash your people or country. SO why do you do this here? I’m curious.

As for partisan hackery…this IS A CONSERVATIVE site. There are liberal sites out there, and plenty of them. I partake with none of them. Not one. They aren’t interested in my opinion, and while I’m always open to reading, and listening, I rarely agree.

I’m all for constructive criticism, but you go beyond that, with outright name calling, and attacks. I don’t get it! Why?

capejasmine on July 26, 2011 at 10:12 AM

Fallon on July 26, 2011 at 9:32 AM

Exactly right. He has been very successful. The funny part is that at this point he is not quite sure where to go. It is the only funny part.

ORconservative on July 26, 2011 at 10:18 AM

Boehner was the one that sounded like the President last night and I’m sure the lsm knows it.

gophergirl on July 26, 2011 at 8:57 AM

Exactly! He looked more Presidential too.

Did anyone notice that Boehner stood before an American flag to give his speech? Yet Obama stood in that hallway after a casual swagger/sashay to the podium, without a flag in the background. I know the flags were off to the side of him, but they were off camera. Flags were always visible during presidential speeches in the past, before the Won.

GrannySunni on July 26, 2011 at 10:18 AM

Dave Rywall on July 26, 2011 at 10:04 AM

I don’t mind that you are critical of our laws, we deserve it. What I don’t understand is why you denigrate the desire to fix it? Yes, plenty in both parties are culpable so do we just throw up our hands and give up? We are basically in uncharted waters here, no one in the past has actually demanded for the spending to be curtailed. I just don’t think it is worthy of scorn.

Cindy Munford on July 26, 2011 at 10:19 AM

The Balanced Budget Amendment to the Constitution is a childish spiteful stupid idea that panders to stupid people. It insults the electorate’s intelligence.
Dave Rywall on July 26, 2011 at 9:31 AM

A supermajority of Americans in the Clinton era said they favored a balanced budget amendment. In 1995, the House voted to put one on the table. It failed (by one vote) to clear the Senate.

I guess all of these people were “stupid” and “insulted” too, right Dave?

Rovin on July 26, 2011 at 10:12 AM
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Hell yes they were stupid too.

A BBA is simply ridiculously dismissive of a future nobody knows.

The whiny bloodshed you’re going through now is the painful but awesome process that happens when the people say f this we’ve had enough of government waste/bloat and (at least on the dem side) a tax system that benefits the rich beyond all understanding.

Sorry to disappoint you. You were hoping I was going to be stymied by the dems having the same bba idea.

And have a swell day.

Dave Rywall on July 26, 2011 at 10:20 AM

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