Breaking: Boehner to postpone Wednesday vote on debt bill

posted at 8:45 pm on July 26, 2011 by Allahpundit

The default asteroid’s so close now that you can actually see its shadow.

The House Rules Committee will not report out a rule Tuesday evening on House Speaker John Boehner’s deficit-reduction package to lift the debt ceiling, postponing a scheduled Wednesday vote on the plan, according to three GOP sources. An announcement is expected later tonight.

A Twitter pal wondered whether this means they’ll have to break their pledge about waiting three days before taking up legislation. Alas, that one’s already been broken. Supposedly they’re delaying the vote because they’re scrambling to find new savings and rewrite the bill after the CBO score came in too low, but there may be a bigger problem:

Speaker John Boehner and House GOP leaders engaged in a furious last-minute lobbying effort inside and outside the Capitol on Tuesday evening to pass their debt ceiling package, but the outcome of that vote remains far from certain, according to Republican lawmakers and aides…

Boehner was hauling members who are undecided or leaning “no” into his Capitol suite for one-on-one meetings, using the time-honored tradition of his office to twist arms and win votes. Boehner had “made progress,” but late Tuesday there was speculation they may have to delay the vote…

No official whip counts are available, although some Republican lawmakers estimate 40 to 50 GOP lawmakers are no’s or undecided heading into the dramatic floor fight.

If House Democrats stick together in opposition, which they have every reason to do with Reid’s bill waiting in the wings, then the GOP can only afford to lose 20 or maybe 25 Republican votes, assuming they can pick off a handful of Blue Dogs. Over at the Corner, Andrew Stiles’s whip count has 21 confirmed or presumed no votes. They’re down to the bone, in other words, and that’s before the full effect of the shockwave from today’s disappointing CBO score has been felt. There are already five Republican no votes in the Senate, too: In addition to Lindsey Graham, who’s clearly trying to cover his flank ahead of his reelection campaign, DeMint, Rand Paul, Mike Lee, and David Vitter(!) sent out a letter today urging House Republicans to defeat Boehner’s bill. Even if it gets through the House, then, it would start with just 42 votes in the Senate. Are 18 Democrats prepared to vote yes when they have Reid’s bill as an alternative?

Assuming the new vote is set for Thursday, the calculus I described here has changed. The plan before was for the House to go first; if the GOP succeeded in passing Boehner’s plan, then the Senate GOP would filibuster Reid’s bill. That would leave Boehner’s bill the only game in town, which might shake loose enough Senate Democrats to pass it in the name of averting default. Now, thanks to the delay, the Senate might go first. What does that do to the votes of moderates like Scott Brown and Murkowski, who may now be convinced that Boehner’s bill can’t get out of the House and that the only thing standing between the U.S. and default is Reid’s plan? Reid, after all, needs only seven Republicans; if he can get through the Senate, there may be 25 GOPers in the House prepared to bite the bullet.

Exit question: Now that we’re so close to the wire, with both bills possibly DOA in their own chambers, will Boehner and Reid simply merge their bills somehow and roll them out jointly on Thursday? I’m thinking that may be the only way to get to 218 and 60.

Update: Note to hawkish Republicans who are thinking of voting for Reid’s bill: You sure?

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Nightmare. But I’m sure many on here are tickled pink that the bill is dead.

andy85719 on July 26, 2011 at 8:47 PM

They passed CCB. Why not sit back and see what the Senate does? Maybe Obama will send his plan over for a vote. They did their job last week.

BKeyser on July 26, 2011 at 8:49 PM

Legislate in haste, repent at leisure.

cynccook on July 26, 2011 at 8:49 PM

Just great. All the anti-Boehner people on the other thread were so against his bill. Now it looks like the worst of all Worlds. Boehner-Reid? I don’t think so.

sandee on July 26, 2011 at 8:50 PM

They passed CCB. Why not sit back and see what the Senate does? Maybe Obama will send his plan over for a vote. They did their job last week.

BKeyser on July 26, 2011 at 8:49 PM

The Senate voted it down.

Tasha on July 26, 2011 at 8:50 PM

if he can get through the Senate, there may be 25 GOPers in the House prepared to bite the bullet.

Where do you get the sense that that’s even a possibility? Judging the temperature of the House right now, there’s no way a Reid bill, that’s been laughed off the stage by Paul Ryan, pulls 5 GOPers to vote for it, let alone 25.

Weight of Glory on July 26, 2011 at 8:51 PM

It’s like watching the movie Titanic. You know what’s coming (debt downgrade followed by eventual financial chaos as we run out of lenders), but it’s still exciting to watch.

BadgerHawk on July 26, 2011 at 8:51 PM

Clowns to the left of me, Jokers to the right…

Gohawgs on July 26, 2011 at 8:51 PM

Whatever you might make of his unfortunate sexual history, Vitter is pretty conservative on fiscal issues, immigration, and other hot-button topics for conservatives. (And as for his unfortunate sexual history, the part few remember is that he dropped out of the governer’s race and dealt with his personal issues years before the scandal came out in the press with the publication of the DC madam’s address book.)

Laura Curtis on July 26, 2011 at 8:51 PM

He’s just waiting to see what Sarah says tonight on Greta so he knows exactly how to proceed.

tim c on July 26, 2011 at 8:51 PM

I’m hoping that all the BS since they passed the CCB thing is all a head fake and they know exactly what the hell they’re doing.

I’m kind of stupid that way.

BigWyo on July 26, 2011 at 8:51 PM

The Senate voted it down.

Tasha on July 26, 2011 at 8:50 PM

They voted to “table” the bill…

Gohawgs on July 26, 2011 at 8:52 PM

If Boehner’s bill is voted down say hello to the Reid bill or worse the McConnell bill.

Tasha on July 26, 2011 at 8:52 PM

If Boner had written a bill with actual cuts instead of smoke and mirrors, then there wouldn’t be a problem. Is there anyone in D.C. who listens to what the people want?

diditagain on July 26, 2011 at 8:52 PM

Rush said today that he talked to Boehner at 11:45 on his show. He said Boehner told him that he will not “present” the new bill until the end of this week. Sounds to me like Boehner knows he has O by the ba!!s……

sicoit on July 26, 2011 at 8:52 PM

Exit question: No way.

derft on July 26, 2011 at 8:53 PM

What a right mess.

I would imagine what feeble goodwill Boehner built up has now vanished, and we’re probably going to hit the deadline after all.

And even after the Boehner and Reid bills are inevitably merged and duly castrated to “please the middle,” I’m guessing the God-King is still going to whine about it.

KingGold on July 26, 2011 at 8:53 PM

If this delay causes the Reid bill to be shot down in the House first, then Senate democrats are going to have a hell of a time voting no on the “last, best plan to avoid default” or whatever scaretactic you want to label Boehner’s bill.

podank on July 26, 2011 at 8:53 PM

Just great. All the anti-Boehner people on the other thread were so against his bill. Now it looks like the worst of all Worlds. Boehner-Reid? I don’t think so.

sandee on July 26, 2011 at 8:50 PM

Look, Boehner didn’t do himself any favors by fumbling the rolling out of his plan with the last minute CBO debacle. I know he means well, and I can’t possibly imagine the strain on the guy, but he really shot himself in the foot on that one.

Weight of Glory on July 26, 2011 at 8:53 PM

Nightmare. But I’m sure many on here are tickled pink that the bill is dead.

andy85719 on July 26, 2011 at 8:47 PM

You’re damn skippy I am.

Aquateen Hungerforce on July 26, 2011 at 8:54 PM

I smell a debt limit increase vote on Aug 1.

And thats all. (unless they throw in a CR, again)

I have given up hope for any change in DC Think.

BobMbx on July 26, 2011 at 8:55 PM

Not sure if anyone noticed or not, but Boehner and the House has already passed a bill that takes care of all these problems.

ButterflyDragon on July 26, 2011 at 8:55 PM

Just great. All the anti-Boehner people on the other thread were so against his bill. Now it looks like the worst of all Worlds. Boehner-Reid? I don’t think so.

sandee on July 26, 2011 at 8:50 PM

Why not? They surely deserve each other. They are all Big Govt. hacks – different sides of the same coin.

TheRightMan on July 26, 2011 at 8:55 PM

I guess now might be a good time to explain to the American people that if the debt ceiling isn’t raised…

… we won’t default. We just can’t spend more money than what we take in.

I think the half of the country that still pay taxes will get the message…

Seven Percent Solution on July 26, 2011 at 8:57 PM

Obama and his panic mongering administration will stop at nothing in their quest to get little Caesar reelected. Get ready for impact because this poor sick Republic is about to implode.

rplat on July 26, 2011 at 8:57 PM

Its too bad… the dems are in effect using a no-huddle defense, and it is making the republicans fail to execute a discernable two minute drill.

singlemalt 18 on July 26, 2011 at 8:57 PM

Rush said today that he talked to Boehner at 11:45 on his show. He said Boehner told him that he will not “present” the new bill until the end of this week. Sounds to me like Boehner knows he has O by the ba!!s……

sicoit on July 26, 2011 at 8:52 PM

Yup. Wait until evening 1 August — then send the bill over to the Senate. If the bill raises the debt limit sufficiently for a few months, it will be on Obama’s desk within hours and he’ll sign, regardless of anything else in it. He needs the money that bad.

unclesmrgol on July 26, 2011 at 8:58 PM

What a great leader he is! All hail and bow down to Boehner! These people have no clue what to do and all they can do is send in their dirty dogs to destroy conservatives who can do it.

This is a good opportunity for all to see RINOS drown in their own incompetence. They might smear conservatives all they want but when the chips fall down, they don’t have any of their cards to play.

promachus on July 26, 2011 at 8:59 PM

Reid, after all, needs only seven Republicans; if he can get through the Senate, there may be 25 GOPers in the House prepared to bite the bullet.

Yeah, if those Republicans are willing to commit political suicide for Reid, they are welcome.

TheRightMan on July 26, 2011 at 9:00 PM

Where do you get the sense that that’s even a possibility? Judging the temperature of the House right now, there’s no way a Reid bill, that’s been laughed off the stage by Paul Ryan, pulls 5 GOPers to vote for it, let alone 25.

Weight of Glory on July 26, 2011 at 8:51 PM

You keep saying that but that’s what is going to happen.

promachus on July 26, 2011 at 9:01 PM

Now that we’re so close to the wire, with both bills possibly DOA in their own chambers, will Boehner and Reid simply merge their bills somehow and roll them out jointly on Thursday?

S&P says we could see a bond downgrade as early as Friday. They can merge the bills, give them Vigra, throw some glitter on them but it will be too little too late if they don’t cut at least 4 trillion in spending.

NickDeringer on July 26, 2011 at 9:01 PM

Update: Note to hawkish Republicans who are thinking of voting for Reid’s bill: You sure?

Well, that does it then. We’re completely at a stalemate. There’s no way the House will pass Reid’s plan, and Boehner’s plan looks like a no go on many levels, unless he makes it substantially better in the re-write. What now?

Weight of Glory on July 26, 2011 at 9:01 PM

I’m sure glad Rand Paul is in there instead of Trey Grayson.

Spathi on July 26, 2011 at 9:01 PM

If Boner had written a bill with actual cuts instead of smoke and mirrors, then there wouldn’t be a problem. Is there anyone in D.C. who listens to what the people want?

diditagain on July 26, 2011 at 8:52 PM

This.

davek70 on July 26, 2011 at 9:01 PM

Tasha on July 26, 2011 at 8:52 PM

There is a process by which a bill becomes a law. Short of passage in both houses and signage by the executive branch, that legislation is not law.

Neither Reid’s bill, nor McConnell’s will pass the House.

BKeyser on July 26, 2011 at 9:01 PM

Where do you get the sense that that’s even a possibility? Judging the temperature of the House right now, there’s no way a Reid bill, that’s been laughed off the stage by Paul Ryan, pulls 5 GOPers to vote for it, let alone 25.

Weight of Glory on July 26, 2011 at 8:51 PM

You keep saying that but that’s what’s gonna happen, you wait n see.

promachus on July 26, 2011 at 9:02 PM

DeMint on Hannity right now.

steebo77 on July 26, 2011 at 9:02 PM

You keep saying that but that’s what is going to happen.

promachus on July 26, 2011 at 9:01 PM

Are you telling me that there’s not enough RINO GOP pull in the House to move Boehner’s bill, but there is enough RINO pull to move Reid’s bill? Even I don’t lack that much faith in the GOP. Reid’s bill is DOA in the House.

Weight of Glory on July 26, 2011 at 9:03 PM

I’m sure glad Rand Paul is in there instead of Trey Grayson.

Spathi on July 26, 2011 at 9:01 PM

And Marco Rubio instead of Charlie Crist… :)

TheRightMan on July 26, 2011 at 9:03 PM

I’m sure glad Rand Paul is in there instead of Trey Grayson.

Spathi on July 26, 2011 at 9:01 PM

He’s proving to be Gov.Palin’s most valuable endorsement.

promachus on July 26, 2011 at 9:04 PM

This is all being done so the McConnell’s wormhole for Obama can be done. It was the plan all along!

SouthernGent on July 26, 2011 at 9:04 PM

Update: Note to hawkish Republicans who are thinking of voting for Reid’s bill: You sure?

I’m not worried. Part of the castration I mentioned earlier will be restoring “necessary” programs that have been cut.

You know, like funding Pentagon bureaucratic waste and constructing stupid “community centers” that will be torn down before they’re built.

KingGold on July 26, 2011 at 9:05 PM

How bout real cuts today for real increase in debt ceiling dollar for dollar or better yet, $5 cuts to $1 in increase. Then get serious and cut, cut, cut. Sick and tired of closed door back room deals, and phantom accounting.

kringeesmom on July 26, 2011 at 9:05 PM

If Boehner were smart he’d adjourn the house for 2 weeks forcing the Senate to either pass the house bill already passed or shut the govt down.

clement on July 26, 2011 at 9:07 PM

This is all being done so the McConnell’s wormhole for Obama can be done. It was the plan all along!

SouthernGent on July 26, 2011 at 9:04 PM

You are giving me a heart attack!

promachus on July 26, 2011 at 9:07 PM

I hate myself for saying this, and for making light of the situation, but I kind of feel a little sorry for Boehner. It’s like that awkward moment watching the uber nerdy kid trying to ask a girl out … it’s so uncomfortable and that’s when you make the mistake of agreeing to the ‘pity date.’

If Reid and Obama know Boehner can’t get enough votes and the Senate repubs stand firm (big “if”), then we have them where we want them because they’ll have to go for Boehner “plus real, immediate cuts” or CCB.

Firefly_76 on July 26, 2011 at 9:08 PM

The House minus Boehner and his cadre of RINOs should draw a line in the sand:

If all Boehner can find now is $1 billion dollars in cuts, then the debt limit will rise by only $1 billion. I bet the Dems/RINOs will scurry quickly to find more immediate cuts!

TheRightMan on July 26, 2011 at 9:08 PM

Judging the temperature of the House right now, there’s no way a Reid bill, that’s been laughed off the stage by Paul Ryan, pulls 5 GOPers to vote for it, let alone 25.

Weight of Glory on July 26, 2011 at 8:51 PM

Exactly. How do the House conservatives conceivably vote “no” on Boehner, then turn around and vote “yes” on Reid?

Barnestormer on July 26, 2011 at 9:10 PM

How do the House conservatives conceivably vote “no” on Boehner, then turn around and vote “yes” on Reid?

Barnestormer on July 26, 2011 at 9:10 PM

Obviously, they won’t be the same house members. Duh!

promachus on July 26, 2011 at 9:13 PM

There are already five Republican no votes in the Senate, too: In addition to Lindsey Graham, who’s clearly trying to cover his flank ahead of his reelection campaign, DeMint, Rand Paul, Mike Lee, and David Vitter(!) sent out a letter today urging House Republicans to defeat Boehner’s bill

and

And Marco Rubio instead of Charlie Crist… :)

Huh?

I bet Rubio will vote for it. I supported Alexander Snitker (Libertarian) for that race.

Spathi on July 26, 2011 at 9:13 PM

If Boehner were smart he’d adjourn the house for 2 weeks forcing the Senate to either pass the house bill already passed or shut the govt down.

clement on July 26, 2011 at 9:07 PM

I hear Illinois is the place to be for wayward legislators.

kringeesmom on July 26, 2011 at 9:15 PM

When is the line in the sand drawn?

When do “We the People” say “ENOUGH!”????

If not now, when?

Time has run out.

No more debt ceiling increases!

This is your last chance America.

Talon on July 26, 2011 at 9:16 PM

So are all the rallies still on in Upper Senate Park tomorrow? Can’t go …

Firefly_76 on July 26, 2011 at 9:18 PM

And Marco Rubio instead of Charlie Crist… :)

TheRightMan on July 26, 2011 at 9:03 PM

And Mike Lee instead of Bob Bennett…

steebo77 on July 26, 2011 at 9:18 PM

Time to transfer the 401K funds into the “Capital Preservation” account?

kurtzz3 on July 26, 2011 at 9:20 PM

August 2nd is an arbitrary date. Why should a vote tomorrow be make or break it? This is all fabricated BS.

Dr Evil on July 26, 2011 at 9:23 PM

Reid should be working in Sacramento. They know all about accounting tricks and fake cuts.

GarandFan on July 26, 2011 at 9:25 PM

Still can’t believe that no one’s brought forward a bill that rolls spending back to pre-Obama levels to fight this crisis. Yearly spending has increased by about a trillion dollars since 2007 and the the yearly deficit in now hovering around a trillion dollars.

You would think the link between trillion dollar deficits and an increase in spending of a trillion dollars would be a relatively simple concept even for Washington to grasp.

Jay Mac on July 26, 2011 at 9:25 PM

Washington, DC.

Ugly people that wish they could be in Hollywood.

Key West Reader on July 26, 2011 at 9:27 PM

Obama and Harry Reid in the Democrat-majority Senate are working toward the end goal of squeezing all constructive sense out of any plan from the House.

Obviously, playing politics on the long-shot that they’ll be able to re-elect Obama after blaming the GOP for all that ails everyone.

Thus, I doubt any Plan from the House GOP will ever pass the Senate nor will Obama ever sign such. They are forcing a default for the basis of re-electing Obama — so it seems to me as a voter.

Cut Cap and Balance would have resolved the current “crises” and we all know how Reid and Obama handled that. They refuted it (and refused to agree to it) because it would have redirected the nation and that’s not what Obama or Reid appear to want.

Lourdes on July 26, 2011 at 9:30 PM

The asteroid has already hit out in my area. I saw a cattle truck with “Federal Government” emblazoned on the side and it was stuffed full of old people, nut to butt. They were being carted away to be tossed into a deep flooded gravel pit.

I can still hear their pitiful wailing….then I had a beer and took a swim.

Bishop on July 26, 2011 at 9:30 PM

Washington, DC.

Ugly people that wish they could be in Hollywood.

Key West Reader on July 26, 2011 at 9:27 PM

Yep drama queens the whole lot of them :)

Dr Evil on July 26, 2011 at 9:31 PM

After his principled, statesmanlike public actions these past weeks, Boehner wounded himself and his professed budget agenda in one unnecessary misstep. I am no RINO, but I felt forced to support his flawed plan to salvage his political momentum and prevent Obama from being able to tell gullible voters, “See! I told you the GOP is the problem.”

It’s not fair, but the GOP has the lazy media, biased financial ratings institutions, the corrupt Democratic party and its shameless allies against them in this fight. After Boehner’s speech last night, the GOP is expected to produce another plan.

I feel for the GOP leadership, but they failed to defend Ryan’s plan and let Obama create this last-minute negotiations farce. If the future of our nation were not at stake, I’d kick Boehner to the curb now. But that isn’t an option.

Terrie on July 26, 2011 at 9:31 PM

August 2nd is an arbitrary date. Why should a vote tomorrow be make or break it? This is all fabricated BS.

Dr Evil on July 26, 2011 at 9:23 PM

They enjoy their drama.

As for us “sloped foreheaded people” on the ground? There is a big surprise.

We don’t care anymore. Don’t Care Anymore

For the O camp? Keep testing.

For the B Camp? Get your shiite together; that includes herding the cats.

Nevertheless, I post this song to DC. Don’t care anymore.

Key West Reader on July 26, 2011 at 9:32 PM

The asteroid has already hit out in my area. I saw a cattle truck with “Federal Government” emblazoned on the side and it was stuffed full of old people, nut to butt. They were being carted away to be tossed into a deep flooded gravel pit.

I can still hear their pitiful wailing….then I had a beer and took a swim.

Bishop on July 26, 2011 at 9:30 PM

Soylent Green Is People, pass the word :)

Dr Evil on July 26, 2011 at 9:32 PM

The Senate voted it down.

Tasha on July 26, 2011 at 8:50 PM

No, the senate voted not to vote on it. Not to pick nits, but we all need to use the precise language. Remember, we never got a true vote on this in the Senate.

massrighty on July 26, 2011 at 9:33 PM

Neither bill makes enough difference to matter.

Add the Balanced Budget Amendment to either one. That is the only thing that would make this process meaningful.

The down grade is inevitable at this point, and neither bill will do anything but put lip stick on a pig.

Who gets the blame for the downgrade is the only thing at stake now.

Unless, you put the Balanced Budget Amendment into Reid’s bill and pretend to take the loss. Then when the downgrade comes everyone takes the blame, but… you get some hope for the future.

petunia on July 26, 2011 at 9:33 PM

Don’t care anymore.

Key West Reader on July 26, 2011 at 9:32 PM

Nice Pick

Dr Evil on July 26, 2011 at 9:34 PM

Bamie said he would veto this.

William Amos on July 26, 2011 at 9:35 PM

promachus on July 26, 2011 at 9:13 PM

Oh, I see. Boehner can’t whip 218 votes for his bill, but enough Republicans will join Democrats to vote for Reid’s?
To be charitable, let’s just say the idea is counter-intuitive.

Barnestormer on July 26, 2011 at 9:35 PM

They were being carted away to be tossed into a deep flooded gravel pit.

I can still hear their pitiful wailing….then I had a beer and took a swim.

Bishop on July 26, 2011 at 9:30 PM

Nah. The Feds would at least recycle. Soylent Green.

Firefly_76 on July 26, 2011 at 9:35 PM

It is now time to sharpen the pitchforks and to light the torches…

Khun Joe on July 26, 2011 at 9:35 PM

Dr Evil on July 26, 2011 at 9:32 PM

speedtypers.

Firefly_76 on July 26, 2011 at 9:36 PM

We need some more garnish on the crap sandwich, I guess.

OhioCoastie on July 26, 2011 at 9:37 PM

“Cuts” in future spending increases, not current spending, while raising the amount of future spending above and beyond what is taken in as revenue in the amount of Trillions of dollars…

… All in the name of a default that won’t happen, fueled by a Liberal media propaganda blitz sponsored by the political elite ruling class so they can hold onto power.

There is only one proper response to this nonsense…

… Are all of you out of your fuc%ing minds?

Seven Percent Solution on July 26, 2011 at 9:37 PM

This is the fruit of the Tea Party and its influence.

deee-FAULT, deee-FAULT, deee-FAULT, deee-FAULT, deee-FAULT…

Mojave Mark on July 26, 2011 at 9:38 PM

This is so frustrating.
On one level I have respect for Boehner. He obviously is a good man. Doesn’t seem corrupt or anything. But we cannot afford this kind of leadership right now.
We’ve got a Democrat party that wants to shred this nation while we have a President openly saying he’s tempted to become a dictator!

I take Obama at his words when he says he is tempted to take more power I believe the man wants more power! And a freaking GOP cluster plays right into that!

JellyToast on July 26, 2011 at 9:38 PM

I’m guessing the God-King is still going to whine about it.

KingGold on July 26, 2011 at 8:53 PM

I read on twitter earlier today that someone referred to O as “King Mumbo Jumbo”. Thought that was appropriate…

Lourdes on July 26, 2011 at 9:39 PM

The “lame stream media” is alive and well. Just read Charles Babington’s “fair and balanced” AP story:

http://news.yahoo.com/boehner-delays-vote-debt-ceiling-measure-011558558.html

slp on July 26, 2011 at 9:40 PM

Nah. The Feds would at least recycle. Soylent Green.
Firefly_76 on July 26, 2011 at 9:35 PM

This federal government? They couldn’t properly recycle a bag of AA batteries.

No, I think it’s easier for them to simply dump the bodies and call it the ultimate eco-friendly fertilizer.

Bishop on July 26, 2011 at 9:42 PM

Don’t Care

What will the Feds do when we all go Galt?

Key West Reader on July 26, 2011 at 9:42 PM

The debt is going to pile up and the Unions will continue to get the money and they will funnel it back to Obama2012.

The GOP is hopeless so it looks like the Founders were wrong…..PEOPLE CANNOT GOVERN THEMSELVES.

Republic doomed.

PappyD61 on July 26, 2011 at 9:43 PM

Everyone calm down. We don’t control the Senate or the WH. It’s only 15 months until the election.

faraway on July 26, 2011 at 9:44 PM

Obama wants you to think of impending doom and chaos. Be smart.

faraway on July 26, 2011 at 9:45 PM

Cut Cap and Balance would have resolved the current “crises” and we all know how Reid and Obama handled that. They refuted it (and refused to agree to it) because it would have redirected the nation and that’s not what Obama or Reid appear to want.

Lourdes on July 26, 2011 at 9:30 PM

Yep, pretty much. And the “they” that refuted it (and refused to agree to it) should include the GOP Establishment.

The crux of the matter, however you hash it, is that this last minute plan from Boehner was totally uncalled for.

Cut, Cap, and Balance has the support of a majority of Americans. It is easy to defend it in the lack of any serious plan from Obama and the Dems. But oh no… Boehner had to go pitch another plan therefore accepting the Dems meme that it was EXTREME!

What is extreme about cutting waste from an overbloated budget, capping future spending, and asking for the budget to be balanced?

TheRightMan on July 26, 2011 at 9:45 PM

Everyone calm down. We don’t control the Senate or the WH. It’s only 15 months until the election.

faraway on July 26, 2011 at 9:44 PM

Did you forget the sarc tag or was faraway replaced by the body snatchers?

Firefly_76 on July 26, 2011 at 9:46 PM

Bamie said he would veto this.

William Amos on July 26, 2011 at 9:35 PM

Obama’s re-election slogan:

“Dee-fault Your Change!”

Lourdes on July 26, 2011 at 9:48 PM

America is unable to make things because of the Unions.

Key West Reader on July 26, 2011 at 9:49 PM

Did you forget the sarc tag or was faraway replaced by the body snatchers?

Firefly_76 on July 26, 2011 at 9:46 PM

No, this time I’m serious. We are playing into Obama’s hands.
- we splinter the party
- we pass our bill and Obama can say our bill caused the Great Depression and credit downgrade
- Obama re-elected

Let Obama pass a Dem plan (within reason). It’s only 15 months and we can reverse and fix everything.

faraway on July 26, 2011 at 9:50 PM

You would think that Boehner would at least include opening up all Federal lands to energy harvesting in the bill and call it “revenue” to pay for everything…

… Especially after Obowma has called for more “revenue” (more taxes) every times he opens his pie hole.

Let’s see Obowma choke on that.

If someone has Boehner’s number…

… Feel free to pass it along.

Seven Percent Solution on July 26, 2011 at 9:50 PM

No, I think it’s easier for them to simply dump the bodies and call it the ultimate eco-friendly fertilizer.

Bishop on July 26, 2011 at 9:42 PM

Ah, a new “humanure” — creative.

Firefly_76 on July 26, 2011 at 9:51 PM

postponed? good. gives GOP a chance to replace the Speaker, who is way over his head.

james23 on July 26, 2011 at 9:51 PM

Everyone calm down. We don’t control the Senate or the WH. It’s only 15 months until the election.

faraway on July 26, 2011 at 9:44 PM

But it’s only 7 days until financial Armageddon.

JellyToast on July 26, 2011 at 9:54 PM

Let Obama pass a Dem plan (within reason). It’s only 15 months and we can reverse and fix everything.

faraway on July 26, 2011 at 9:50 PM

I see your point, but the last time the GOP had congress and the WH I seem to recall there being little no incentive to cut spending. Absolute power and all that. Do we hold the GOPs feet to the fire with fear of not getting reelected now, or we trust they’ll live up to their promises later? hmmm ….

Firefly_76 on July 26, 2011 at 9:54 PM

I’m wondering where my ObamaMark will look best. My forehead or the back of my hand. I can’t decide.

JellyToast on July 26, 2011 at 9:56 PM

Cut Cap and Balance would have resolved the current “crises” and we all know how Reid and Obama handled that. They refuted it (and refused to agree to it) because it would have redirected the nation and that’s not what Obama or Reid appear to want.

Lourdes on July 26, 2011 at 9:30 PM

Yep, pretty much. And the “they” that refuted it (and refused to agree to it) should include the GOP Establishment.

The crux of the matter, however you hash it, is that this last minute plan from Boehner was totally uncalled for.

Cut, Cap, and Balance has the support of a majority of Americans. It is easy to defend it in the lack of any serious plan from Obama and the Dems. But oh no… Boehner had to go pitch another plan therefore accepting the Dems meme that it was EXTREME!

What is extreme about cutting waste from an overbloated budget, capping future spending, and asking for the budget to be balanced?

TheRightMan on July 26, 2011 at 9:45 PM

What most of the complaints I read and hear from many taxpayers are about is: reduce spending (“Cut” – cuts in spending guaranteed and done now not promised at some future time, “if”…), balance the budget (“Balance”) and cap the debt-ceiling (“Cap”, either don’t raise it or raise it with a definitive cap to avoid future raises)…

Offset spending inline with what is available to spend, no more spending on borrowing or spending based upon ideas of what “may” be available later. Debt obligations inline with what CAN and will be repaid.

These objectives, though, don’t mesh with what the Left wants and what the Left wants (Reid, Obama, etc.) is a checkbook they don’t have to balance or even check what’s there to spend, just the ability to spend at will.

Their objectives are entirely political as to how the Left “buys” votes and keeps voter support, to no one’s surprise.

While the Republicans do appear to me to be trying to effect actual change economically in our nation to protect our nation and maintain a productive economy. Some voters don’t like that on the Right, either.

I think there are more voters associated with the Right who recognize that the GOP is trying to accomplish their goals (above, my rehash of what those are) while actually getting their plan passed by both divisions of Congress and signed by Obama afterward.

At this rate, I doubt Obama will ever sign anything constructive and sensible that the GOP might manage to get through the Senate (if at all there, either), as long as Obama *thinks* he’s able to “blame the GOP” for some plaintive blame-tale he’ll continue to tell the hapless voters who continue to support him.

That Boehner even had to tell Obama that “we write the legislation, you decide what you want to sign” is pathetic as to who Obama is but it’s telling about who he is: he’s not in touch with the nation itself as defined by the Constitution and he’s entirely psychologically motivated toward his ideology that isn’t in touch with our Constitution. At this rate, also, there seems to be about 25% of the voting population who find that appealing, unfortunately.

The media, of course, is not placing blame where it belongs and it belongs on Obama, as also on Reid and the Left for the greedy political games they’re playing with all our futures.

Lourdes on July 26, 2011 at 10:00 PM

Let Obama pass a Dem plan (within reason). It’s only 15 months and we can reverse and fix everything.

faraway on July 26, 2011 at 9:50 PM

You mean like Stimulus and Obamacare? No thanks.

obladioblada on July 26, 2011 at 10:01 PM

Where is the John Boehner who yelled “Heck No” on the House floor during the Health Care debate??? I want that guy.

kringeesmom on July 26, 2011 at 10:01 PM

Good and double good, the tea party has held that fake conservitive Bonheaer to there position of immediate spending cuts then raise the cieling or not/

swimcoachmike on July 26, 2011 at 10:02 PM

They’re down to the bone, in other words, and that’s before the full effect of the shockwave from today’s disappointing CBO score has been felt.

What? Well they should lose every single conservative vote over the news of this worthless waste of time. I would rather see us slam against the ceiling than raise the debt ceiling for $1 FUC*ING BILLION in first-year cuts, and less than $1 Trillion over ten years.

What a joke. Start over and get it right.

Jaibones on July 26, 2011 at 10:03 PM

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