Breaking: Boehner to postpone Wednesday vote on debt bill

posted at 8:45 pm on July 26, 2011 by Allahpundit

The default asteroid’s so close now that you can actually see its shadow.

The House Rules Committee will not report out a rule Tuesday evening on House Speaker John Boehner’s deficit-reduction package to lift the debt ceiling, postponing a scheduled Wednesday vote on the plan, according to three GOP sources. An announcement is expected later tonight.

A Twitter pal wondered whether this means they’ll have to break their pledge about waiting three days before taking up legislation. Alas, that one’s already been broken. Supposedly they’re delaying the vote because they’re scrambling to find new savings and rewrite the bill after the CBO score came in too low, but there may be a bigger problem:

Speaker John Boehner and House GOP leaders engaged in a furious last-minute lobbying effort inside and outside the Capitol on Tuesday evening to pass their debt ceiling package, but the outcome of that vote remains far from certain, according to Republican lawmakers and aides…

Boehner was hauling members who are undecided or leaning “no” into his Capitol suite for one-on-one meetings, using the time-honored tradition of his office to twist arms and win votes. Boehner had “made progress,” but late Tuesday there was speculation they may have to delay the vote…

No official whip counts are available, although some Republican lawmakers estimate 40 to 50 GOP lawmakers are no’s or undecided heading into the dramatic floor fight.

If House Democrats stick together in opposition, which they have every reason to do with Reid’s bill waiting in the wings, then the GOP can only afford to lose 20 or maybe 25 Republican votes, assuming they can pick off a handful of Blue Dogs. Over at the Corner, Andrew Stiles’s whip count has 21 confirmed or presumed no votes. They’re down to the bone, in other words, and that’s before the full effect of the shockwave from today’s disappointing CBO score has been felt. There are already five Republican no votes in the Senate, too: In addition to Lindsey Graham, who’s clearly trying to cover his flank ahead of his reelection campaign, DeMint, Rand Paul, Mike Lee, and David Vitter(!) sent out a letter today urging House Republicans to defeat Boehner’s bill. Even if it gets through the House, then, it would start with just 42 votes in the Senate. Are 18 Democrats prepared to vote yes when they have Reid’s bill as an alternative?

Assuming the new vote is set for Thursday, the calculus I described here has changed. The plan before was for the House to go first; if the GOP succeeded in passing Boehner’s plan, then the Senate GOP would filibuster Reid’s bill. That would leave Boehner’s bill the only game in town, which might shake loose enough Senate Democrats to pass it in the name of averting default. Now, thanks to the delay, the Senate might go first. What does that do to the votes of moderates like Scott Brown and Murkowski, who may now be convinced that Boehner’s bill can’t get out of the House and that the only thing standing between the U.S. and default is Reid’s plan? Reid, after all, needs only seven Republicans; if he can get through the Senate, there may be 25 GOPers in the House prepared to bite the bullet.

Exit question: Now that we’re so close to the wire, with both bills possibly DOA in their own chambers, will Boehner and Reid simply merge their bills somehow and roll them out jointly on Thursday? I’m thinking that may be the only way to get to 218 and 60.

Update: Note to hawkish Republicans who are thinking of voting for Reid’s bill: You sure?

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We are all Tea Partiers now.

Jaibones on July 26, 2011 at 10:04 PM

I know it’s fun to pick on Boehner, but let’s keep our eyes on 2012.

Take a deep breath.

faraway on July 26, 2011 at 10:05 PM

Boehner and company should do nothing at this point, except to demand that the senate act. The senate already has in its chamber two bills, the Ryan budget and CCB, both of which have passed overwhelmingly in the house and either of which will satiate the major rating houses.

If Reid or Obama want to avoid disaster, Reid can call up either for a vote and get enough Dems to join in. It’s that simple. If he doesn’t, the economic bomb is owned by him him and Obama. Tick, tick, tick …

TXUS on July 26, 2011 at 10:08 PM

What the media is ignoring or suppressing (or both):

Obamacare is what ruined our economy, and was effected by a Democrat majority in Congress with Obama’s boot and essentially pushes millions of people into Medicaid, thus driving up Medicaid (“entitlement spending”) massively, to unafforded territory (not that it was afforded before Obamacare).

Obamacare has to be rescinded, tossed in the can, any can, every can, done away with. Medicaid HAS to be reduced as to enrollments and expenditures. So does Medicare but Medicaid is the runaway entitlement that is so abused it’s essentially now become foreign-aid.

Lourdes on July 26, 2011 at 10:08 PM

Merkel’s Boehner

darwin-t on July 26, 2011 at 10:10 PM

I stand by my prediction made months ago–there will be no tax hikes, no real cuts and the debt/deficit will continue to go up without impairment. We did not get trillions in debt by accident. Both sides will claim victory. The debt ceiling/default threats are all kabuki. Theatre created by the very same politicians who now claim to ride to the rescue.

Counter intuitively the best thing that could happen would be a technical default etc with all the chaos that would follow. After 50 years of this ongoing charade it is obvious we are not serious. Remember folks in case you get caught up in the carnival–there will be no cuts only apparitions.

patrick neid on July 26, 2011 at 10:10 PM

Boehner should just pass the Senate bill in the House with Democrat votes and get this over with. I’m as fiscally conservative as anyone else, but a majority of the people on this site are advocating economic seppuku. Some of you sound like Alinksyite/Cloward-Piveners, “destroy the system so we can build it anew according to our priorities.”

andy85719 on July 26, 2011 at 10:13 PM

andy85719 on July 26, 2011 at 10:13 PM

Sorry to break it to you andy…

… but the ‘system’ is already destroyed.

Seven Percent Solution on July 26, 2011 at 10:20 PM

Boehner should just pass the Senate bill in the House with Democrat votes and get this over with. I’m as fiscally conservative as anyone else, but a majority of the people on this site are advocating economic seppuku. Some of you sound like Alinksyite/Cloward-Piveners, “destroy the system so we can build it anew according to our priorities.”

andy85719 on July 26, 2011 at 10:13 PM

not me obviously.

Tim_CA on July 26, 2011 at 10:23 PM

Those that want another trillion or two….. The next year another trillion or two…….

…..when does it stop?

PappyD61 on July 26, 2011 at 10:23 PM

August 2 is not a default deadline, it’s an estimated date when Washington runs out of borrowed money. A default would result from a conscious decision not to pay a creditor.
Stop spreading the meme, AP!
Of course, this is in the hands of Obummer and Geithner, so I’m not exactly saying it won’t happen.

2ipa on July 26, 2011 at 10:30 PM

The Republican leadership has privately reached out to conservative TV personalities like Sean Hannity and Brit Hume, and Wall Street Journal editorial page editor Paul Gigot, National Review’s Kate O’Beirne, Stephen Hayes of The Weekly Standard, David Brooks of The New York Times, George Will, Laura Ingraham, Mark Levin,

A couple of these are good people above blandishment (whom Boehner is smart to try and wheedle anyway).

But generally speaking, that’s the source of disgust with the RINO media in a nutshell.

Boehner should just pass the Senate bill in the House with Democrat votes and get this over with. I’m as fiscally conservative as anyone else, but a majority of the people on this site are advocating economic seppuku.

andy85719 on July 26, 2011 at 10:13 PM

Economic seppuku? Heck, even faraway just thinks we’re committing political suppuku by giving Obama a hope for 2012. On the contrary, giving in to Obama is sacrificing economics for the sake of politics. Economically, the best choice to be as forceful as possible, even if it means Obama benefits politically (unlikely, given that he’s going to be running against a person, not The Republicans).

If you think waiting for One More Election just so we can have more Rs next to the names of politicians as we go over the falls, you haven’t been paying attention to politics very long or you’ve outsmarted yourself.

There’s always One More Election. You think entitlement reform or the BBA will be politically “feasible” in 2013? No. It will probably get the Republicans wiped out in 2014. But it will have to happen, or the country ceases to exist as an economic entity. Why, then, would you not call Obama’s bluff now? At least put something on the Dems table, tell them that it’s final, and see what they do.

The only possible rebuttal to that is the old refrain: One More Election.

HitNRun on July 26, 2011 at 10:33 PM

Attention Allahpundit: Please stop playing into the Democrat/Media narrative. There will be no default! The treasury takes in 10x the amount of revenues needed to service the debt every month. The only way debt service isn’t paid is if Obama refuses to tell treasury to pay it. Passing August 2nd or any other day the Democrats pull out of their rears without an increase of the debt ceiling means nothing as far as servicing the current public debt.

KSgop on July 26, 2011 at 10:34 PM

Simple GOP solution … Double the terms of the CCB and send it back to the Senate. Every time it fails double it again.

The “no planners” will only wish for the original back. Don’t let that happen. The backup baseline room for negotiations is 25% of the last one sent.

CbR on July 26, 2011 at 10:42 PM

Alright, not sure I could be more pissed off about this.

Hey Boehner – CCB, you prick.

Call Harry and tell him that he already has the House’s bill and to vote on it, there won’t be another one.

In. Furiating.

Midas on July 26, 2011 at 10:47 PM

The Senate voted it down.

Tasha on July 26, 2011 at 8:50 PM
They voted to “table” the bill…

Gohawgs on July 26, 2011 at 8:52 PM

What happened (or is happening) with Sen. DeMint’s efforts to untable CCB? I think that Dems up for re-election could have their arms twisted to pass it. Does Reid have that much sway over his caucus to keep it on the table?

onlineanalyst on July 26, 2011 at 10:52 PM

Simple GOP solution … Double the terms of the CCB and send it back to the Senate. Every time it fails double it again.

The “no planners” will only wish for the original back. Don’t let that happen. The backup baseline room for negotiations is 25% of the last one sent.

CbR on July 26, 2011 at 10:42 PM

I like it.

Midas on July 26, 2011 at 10:52 PM

andy85719 on July 26, 2011 at 10:13 PM

LOL, yeah, you’re a fiscal conservative alright.

roflmao

Midas on July 26, 2011 at 10:54 PM

I’m simply sane. You people are acting like wacky liberals who want to close down Guantanamo and have civilian trials. No practicality. We all have to live in this country and if you get your way, interest rates will be a thirty percent and Obama will most certainly be re-elected. You can’t run the government from one-sixth of the government. Let’s get the whole kaboodle first.

andy85719 on July 26, 2011 at 11:00 PM

andy85719 on July 26, 2011 at 11:00 PM

I’m betting that you thought McCain was a GREAT choice for Pres……am I right?

Tim_CA on July 26, 2011 at 11:07 PM

Senator Toomey, with 32 Senate cosponsors including Rand Paul, introduced the Full Faith and Credit Act.

The bill allows for us to hit the debt ceiling but prioritizes revenue to paid to debt.

This plan will reassure the markets that default is not possible and still stop the spending.

Not that the markets believe we’re going to default anyways. That’s just rhetoric so Obama and Boehner can cause panic,,,

Spathi on July 26, 2011 at 11:08 PM

Boehner should just pass the Senate bill in the House with Democrat votes and get this over with. I’m as fiscally conservative as anyone else, but a majority of the people on this site are advocating economic seppuku. Some of you sound like Alinksyite/Cloward-Piveners, “destroy the system so we can build it anew according to our priorities.”

Wow Andy, you’re incredibly naive (or stupid). Anyone who’s been watching this train wreck could see that the Alinskyite/Cloward-Piveners are Obama and his administration. Who advocates increased spending to address the crisis? It was defeated 97-0 in the Senate. Any other solutions offered by the administration? No. Moodys will downgrade America’s credit rating regardless of passing a new debt ceiling, so we need to confront the prevailing attitude of the liberal camp and force cuts in government spending. A weak compromise is worse than no action at all. Are you afraid, Andy? If so, Obama’s done his job. The “Great One” who would rise above partisan politics has continually employed the tactics of fear and class warfare to attempt to get his way. Wake up, people! Go back to the Daily Kos, Andy. You are a troll.

Eff Cliffy on July 26, 2011 at 11:09 PM

I’m not a troll. I’m just afraid everyone here is involved in dangerous groupthink. If this tactic flops and the economy plunges into the abyss, Republicans won’t win an election for decades.

andy85719 on July 26, 2011 at 11:14 PM

What is truly maddening is that the Republicans win by doing nothing. Without a debt limit increase there will be no additional spending. Obama has to move to them to get the debt ceiling raised.

But the Republicans are acting like they have no power and Boehner’s horrible plan gives Obama a $Trillion in exchange for worthless Democrat promises of spending cuts in the future. Democrat promises like this have never been fulfilled in the past.

RJL on July 26, 2011 at 11:14 PM

“Full Faith and Credit Act” is what the house should be passing.

Toomey’s bill is excellent.

Spathi on July 26, 2011 at 11:15 PM

Yeah….I’m right.

Tim_CA on July 26, 2011 at 11:15 PM

And no, McCain was a terrible flop. Stop trying to impugn my motives.

andy85719 on July 26, 2011 at 11:16 PM

Boehner and company should do nothing at this point, except to demand that the senate act. The senate already has in its chamber two bills, the Ryan budget and CCB, both of which have passed overwhelmingly in the house and either of which will satiate the major rating houses.

If Reid or Obama want to avoid disaster, Reid can call up either for a vote and get enough Dems to join in. It’s that simple. If he doesn’t, the economic bomb is owned by him him and Obama. Tick, tick, tick …

TXUS on July 26, 2011 at 10:08 PM

This^^^^^

All Boehner has to say is that the credit agencies agree that either of these plans meets the criteria for the US to keep its ratings. If we are already downgraded, then refusing to raise the debt ceiling puts the onus on Big O. Then Boehner should announce loudly and clearly that the president will be the “decider” of who gets paid once our interest payments are met. QED

onlineanalyst on July 26, 2011 at 11:19 PM

And no, McCain was a terrible flop. Stop trying to impugn my motives.

andy85719 on July 26, 2011 at 11:16 PM

But why Andy….he’s the perfect “compromise”….like you said…”We all have to live in this country “?

Wake up brother.

Tim_CA on July 26, 2011 at 11:19 PM

If this tactic flops and the economy plunges into the abyss, Republicans won’t win an election for decades.

andy85719 on July 26, 2011 at 11:14 PM

And if Boehner is successful in giving Obama a $Trillion in exchange for Democrat promises of spending cuts in the future it’s goodbye Republicans, Hello Tea Party!

RJL on July 26, 2011 at 11:21 PM

Alright, whatever, blow the country up. I’m a RINO for wanting to compromise so that the country doesn’t implode, but obviously purists know better. Just like the purists on the Dem side who absolutely refused to approve war funding even with troops in Iraq and are still pining for a public option. Geez.

andy85719 on July 26, 2011 at 11:23 PM

Andy, Andy, Andy. You’re a coward.

Eff Cliffy on July 26, 2011 at 11:26 PM

Ad hominem. Ad hominem. Ad hominem.

andy85719 on July 26, 2011 at 11:27 PM

Alright, whatever, blow the country up. I’m a RINO for wanting to compromise so that the country doesn’t implode, but obviously purists know better. Just like the purists on the Dem side who absolutely refused to approve war funding even with troops in Iraq and are still pining for a public option. Geez.

andy85719 on July 26, 2011 at 11:23 PM

C’mon buddy….don’t go all obama and weepy on us…no one’s talking about “blowing up the country”.

What I’m saying anyway…is that this is an opportunity…..it’s time to repay all of the good people that were looking for something better and helped us during the midterms, giving us the keys to the lower house (and the purse-strings)…..they deserve better (and frankly, so does every other American citizen).

Don’t be afraid to take a stand when you’re right…..it’s very un-conservative (fiscal or otherwise).

Tim_CA on July 26, 2011 at 11:30 PM

What is truly maddening is that the Republicans win by doing nothing. Without a debt limit increase there will be no additional spending. Obama has to move to them to get the debt ceiling raised.

The problem, RJL, is that Congress “appropriated” money that it didn’t have, thus escalating the debt. Congress acted with the connivance of Big O as if the well would never run dry. Why can these appropriations not be subject to rescision?

onlineanalyst on July 26, 2011 at 11:31 PM

This latest push merely guarantees that a “compromise” plan out of necessity will have to be adopted as there will be “no other options” or at least that is how it will be spun by the GOP. The result will be, just as expected, a plan that has been completely and utterly gutted and who only point is to flick the switch allowing not only another $2.5 trillion in debt to be issued, but the long overdue QE3 to be launched.

Because Bernanke has to monetize something.

Why even bother with a debt ceiling, or a budget, or even taxes for that matter?! The glorious Fed can just print all the money the USG needs.

Rae on July 26, 2011 at 11:34 PM

It’s like this is rocket science. I can get you $400 billion in 2 minutes. Does anyone doubt that? It’s easy, $400 billion in the next year no ifs, ands, or buts. Cut the budget 10% right now. Tell every agency, bar none, every agency they have to trim 10% from their budgets. There is no agency in government, right now, that could not cut 10% from their budget and hardly notice the difference.

Why can’t they do that? I don’t know why they can’t, but when I hear Boehner’s plan gets a couple of billion here or there for the next year I get sick to my stomach. How about Boehner and Reid get closer to my $400 billion and then let Obama vote on that.

Obama and the Democrats increased the budget 25% in the first 2 years, if I get my 10% cuts, they still would have increased the budget 15%, and they’d still be bitching.

Can someone tell these guys it’s time to get serious? Just keep thinking about my $400 billion the next time one of these guys comes out with some dismal figure like $85 billion in the next year and 2 trillion in 10 years. We could get serious later and take my $400 billion and do some real cuts like cut the whole Department of Energy. Their mandate was to make us less dependent of foreign oil. They’ve failed so, shut them down, we can’t be any worse off without them. There’s more that can happen. Hell, I’ll bet if you shut down one agency the rest of them would be looking over their shoulders finding more ways to be efficient so they don’t get shut down. Any bets on that?

No more rants tonight.

bflat879 on July 26, 2011 at 11:37 PM

Andy, you’ve been exposed as a troll many times. Give it a rest.

angryed on July 26, 2011 at 11:44 PM

Something I never hear Boehner or any of the other dolts in DC mention…

Spending has increased by 100% in 10 years.
Tax rates are the same as they were 10 years ago.

So what is the problem? Too much spending or tax rates that are too low? Even an Olbermann viewer could figure this puzzle out.

angryed on July 26, 2011 at 11:46 PM

Part of the problem with attempting to “compromise” with Obama is that Obama is with increasing obviousness not a rational sane person. Giving Zero the spending addict more to spend only postpones the tough love and increases the addiction. One response to Dingy and Zero when they balk is to pass a bill in teh house and begin loudly suggesting Dimocrat pet projects to defund returning authority to the states and to the people as the “compromise.”

viking01 on July 26, 2011 at 11:48 PM

Even an Olbermann viewer could figure this puzzle out.

angryed on July 26, 2011 at 11:46 PM

whoa…slow down there dude…..they need help getting dressed (and have to wear helmets outside).

Tim_CA on July 26, 2011 at 11:48 PM

Compromising with Obama is like compromising with Al Qaeda.

Obama wants to annihilate the country. So what do you do, compromise with him to only annihilate 20% of the country?

It’s like negotiating with AQ. They want to kill all non-Muslims. So what do you do, say fine, you can kill 10%?

Some times you just have to say no, I will not negotiate with you because even giving you a little of what you want is disastrous for me.

angryed on July 26, 2011 at 11:51 PM

This should provide further insight into how Obamacare would operate (pun intended). They would be postponing until tomorrow or Thursday whether or not your appendix needs to be removed now.

viking01 on July 26, 2011 at 11:53 PM

This should provide further insight into how Obamacare would operate (pun intended). They would be postponing until tomorrow or Thursday whether or not your appendix needs to be removed now.

viking01 on July 26, 2011 at 11:53 PM

LMAO.

Perfect.

(don’t worry though….they’ll be sure to MAIL you an answer)

Tim_CA on July 26, 2011 at 11:56 PM

We all have to live in this country and if you get your way, interest rates will be a thirty percent and Obama will most certainly be re-elected.
andy85719 on July 26, 2011 at 11:00 PM

The media is scaring you. Too bad. Name me one president in the free world ever who got re-elected with 30% interest rates, anywhere in the world.

However, why shouldn’t US interest rates be 30%? If a free market says they should be 30%, who are you or Bernanke to say no? Greece is paying over 30% for 2-year money, though that will be more a broken promise than a real coupon payment. Why are we different from Greece?

If the fiscal situation is so screwed up that the market wants 30%, then it will be 30%. You can’t fool Mother Nature.

Emperor Norton on July 27, 2011 at 12:50 AM

Power Line has what I think is an eminently sensible post on this mess–including a quote from Jeff Sessions, ranking Republican on the Senate Budget Committee:

I have warned from the beginning that if we skirted legislative process in favor of closed-door White House meetings, we would find ourselves in the 11th hour with gimmick-filled legislation being rushed through to a panic-driven vote. As feared, the Majority Leader’s bill does not achieve anything close to the promised savings. Given the late hour, rather than rush through poorly-vetted legislation to grant the president the largest debt ceiling increase in history, we should pursue a more reasonable approach: a short-term extension with real cuts during the immediate time period the extension covers, not ten years down the road. We should try the one thing that has been refused from the beginning: open hearings, regular order, and real legislative process.

INC on July 27, 2011 at 1:22 AM

Sessions is one of the sane adults in the Senate. DeMint, Toomey, and Rand Paul rank up there, too.

onlineanalyst on July 27, 2011 at 1:31 AM

It’s time to replace Boehner, if not more of the GOP ‘leadership’. The Tea Party House members should revolt en masse. The GOP holds the winning hand but like days of yore they are such a bunch of lilly livered old maids they would rather fold. The polls favor the Repubs but Boehner and the others in leadership have no clue how to use it to their own advantage. They are too busy wetting their pants to get a deal, any deal, so they don’t get ‘blamed’ they come up with a bad plan instead of shifting to an alternate plan, like DeMint’s plan to go back to ’08 spending levels for example, that will keep the pressure and the spotlight on Obama and the Dems. Yet another example of why they are called The Stupid Party. It’s sickening.

JimP on July 27, 2011 at 6:21 AM

Some times you just have to say no, I will not negotiate with you because even giving you a little of what you want is disastrous for me.

angryed on July 26, 2011 at 11:51 PM

The tactical similarities between Obama and AQ are a bit frightening.
Of course, you could be like the appeasers of the world and just ask AQ to kill you last. Can’t guarantee they’ll listen.
We already know Obama won’t.

SKYFOX on July 27, 2011 at 7:07 AM

my take.

kingsjester on July 27, 2011 at 7:27 AM

We are all Tea Partiers now.

Jaibones on July 26, 2011 at 10:04 PM

yaoohrah.

bloviator on July 27, 2011 at 8:04 AM

This is one time when it would be nice to actually have a do-nothing Congress because if they did nothing we would automatically have a balanced budget and they would be forced to stop spending. It is like a massive boil that won’t get better until it is lanced.

txmomof6 on July 27, 2011 at 8:07 AM

Given the late hour, rather than rush through poorly-vetted legislation to grant the president the largest debt ceiling increase in history, we should pursue a more reasonable approach: a short-term extension with real cuts during the immediate time period the extension covers, not ten years down the road. We should try the one thing that has been refused from the beginning: open hearings, regular order, and real legislative process.

- Senator Jeff Sessions, Alabama

INC on July 27, 2011 at 1:22 AM

Sweet. As for Andy and the other Chicken Little RINOs who think their little world is going to “implode” on August 2nd without a $3 Trillion increase in the debt ceiling, let me inform/remind you about the concessions that the conservatives make in every single discussion of government debt and spending, right off the bat:

In a conservative government, there would be no departments of Education, Commerce, Energy, Housing and Urban Development, Agriculture, Labor or the EPA. Their presence represents several hundred billion dollars of annual spending that is superfluous and/or duplicative. They are patronage operations for sleazy Federal bureaucrats, designed to buy votes from those who feed off of government givaways.

So when we begin a negotiation about “cutting the rate of growth of spending” without actually cutting a penny of existing spending, conservatives have already conceded a trillion of annual spending.

Jaibones on July 27, 2011 at 8:23 AM

To paraphrase an old saying . . . if the Republicans don’t hang together they’ll all hand separately. Finding an accounting error in that funny money budget is no big deal. The Republicans need to keep their feet firmly planted in reality and stick with their leader.

rplat on July 27, 2011 at 8:25 AM

An accounting error in that funny money budget proposal is not unusual. They need to stop trashing Boehner and support him so we don’t end up with something much worse with Obama’s name on it. The Republicans need to take a good dose of reality and hang with their leader. To paraphrase an old saying . . . they had better all hang together lest they all hang separately. If they keep up their bickering and whining they’ll again snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. i think they have forgotten how to be winners.

rplat on July 27, 2011 at 8:41 AM

Doesn’t the CBO scoring open up an opportunity to tweak Boehner’s to become half-decent? The GOP can at least say they had a plan that could be scored and that the Dem non-plan would be worse than advertised if it could be scored, and then craft a plan that is “sure to be at least” $1.1 trillion when scored by the CBO by cutting like $2 trillion and front loading the cuts in the next few years instead of only on the tail end of the 10-year window. Then the GOP gets the Tea Party back on its side while the Dems still have no leg to stand on to protest.

theperfecteconomist on July 27, 2011 at 8:56 AM

Those that want another trillion or two….. The next year another trillion or two…….

…..when does it stop?

PappyD61 on July 26, 2011 at 10:23 PM

To paraphrase Ray Milland in that classic oldie: “Just one more drink, I promise!”

Don L on July 27, 2011 at 9:07 AM

Obama is on the ropes here. The LSM is actually running stories that his base is “disintegrating,” lefty polls are showing that if the election were held today he’d lose in a GOP “landslide,” and no one except the most committed leftists trust him on the economy. This is the time to stuff a bill in his face and make him choke on it. It is not the time to dig in and grab defeat from the jaws of victory. If Obama gets burned here — if he is forced to sign a GOP bill, and then revisit his spending record next April — it will all but ensure a GOP win for the White House and likely the Senate in 2012. THEN it will be the time to dig in and settle for nothing less than cut, cap, and balance.

Rational Thought on July 27, 2011 at 9:28 AM

if he is forced to sign a GOP bill, and then revisit his spending record next April — it will all but ensure a GOP win for the White House and likely the Senate in 2012. THEN it will be the time to dig in and settle for nothing less than cut, cap, and balance.

Rational Thought on July 27, 2011 at 9:28 AM

What makes you think a GOP ledership that is running scared and refuses to FIGHT NOW will all of a sudden develop some testicular fortitude and fight before the elections?

Trust me, it will be way easier for Obama to demagogue them and accuse them of putting their political interests before the country. And the GOP will fold, trust me, allowing Obama to claim the high ground and coast into re-election.

TheRightMan on July 27, 2011 at 9:33 AM

Moreso, Rational Thought, if Boehner really subscribes to CCB, why didn’t he base tier 2 of his plan on CCB? Tier 1 could have been based on a short term increase and Tier 2 on passing CCB, thus giving time to pressure Reid to bring up the bill for a vote.

TheRightMan on July 27, 2011 at 9:36 AM

It would be nice if the cuts were phrased as cuts from what we are paying now over the course of the time we expect to hit the new debit limit, not cuts from projected budgets over the next ten years.

Count to 10 on July 27, 2011 at 9:43 AM

TheRightMan on July 27, 2011 at 9:36 AM

Yeah, CCB could be the tier 2 plan, totally agree. I do not like the idea of a “commission,” and I imagine Boehner is getting an earful about that right about now. Of course, it’ll never get through the Senate, so then the GOP will have to decide on Reid’s bill. That’s a disaster, too. I still think the strongest hand for the GOP right now is to give Reid and Obama an offer they can’t refuse — and leave town.

Rational Thought on July 27, 2011 at 9:48 AM

Some of you sound like Alinksyite/Cloward-Piveners, “destroy the system so we can build it anew according to our priorities.”

Not hardly. The only Cloward-Piveners I see are the ones who grabbed the keys 30 years ago, pointed us toward that cliff up ahead, and turned on the cruise control. I don’t think that we can continue speeding toward the cliff until 2012, when we debate about gradually applying the brakes in, oh, 2019 or so. If spending is a serious and imminent problem then it must be dealt with as a serious an imminent problem.

GalosGann on July 27, 2011 at 10:34 AM

What does that do to the votes of moderates like Scott Brown and Murkowski

Why do you call these idiots “moderates”? It’s a label they don’t deserve.

If you need a label for them … I would say “Attention Whores” would fit nicely.

HondaV65 on July 27, 2011 at 10:35 AM

I’m just kind of laughing at all this and thinking …

You know … the founders of this nation had a real problem on their hands. The problem was – that if they rev0lted, surely the King would come after colonies and a lot of people would be killed.

Soooo … the founders had to face the very real threat that Britain would send her armies into the colonies, start killing people, start hangining anyone who didn’t support the King, start confiscating property and burning people out of their homes – leaving people homeless … refugees everywhere … food shortages … starvation.

Or …

They could have gotten on their knees before the King and continued to live in peace for themselves and their families – not as free men of course – but they would have lived comfortably.

Which choice did they make in the end? Certainly they didn’t make the easy one.

And here we have today – a bunch of castrated males in Washington DC who can resolve to STOP BORROWING 40 CENTS OUT OF EVERY DOLLAR WE SPEND!

We’re broke – we either default on the debt now – or do it later – or we completely avoid the crisis through RADICAL, let me repeat that … RADICAL reductions in spending.

Republicans – if you can’t get the radical reductions necessary to save the nation – then what is the use of putting off a default?

RADICALLY REDUCE SPENDING OR DEFAULT NOW!!

Founding Fathers > Emasculated Eunuchs we have today.

HondaV65 on July 27, 2011 at 10:45 AM

And now the CBO says Reid’s bill “cuts more” than Boehner’s. That’ll be the number one story for the next 24 hours. The GOP had the win here, and they are letting it all slip away. Damn. Damn. Damn.

Rational Thought on July 27, 2011 at 11:13 AM

And now the CBO says Reid’s bill “cuts more” than Boehner’s. That’ll be the number one story for the next 24 hours. The GOP had the win here, and they are letting it all slip away. Damn. Damn. Damn.

Rational Thought on July 27, 2011 at 11:13 AM

Maybe, but notice that the competition is now about whose bill will cut more. The symbolics are all Tea Party ones.

unclesmrgol on July 27, 2011 at 11:41 AM

**From one of my astute fellow local bloggers here in Texas**

Simple GOP solution … Double the terms of the CCB and send it back to the Senate. Every time it fails double it again.

The “no planners” will only wish for the original back. Don’t let that happen. The backup baseline room for negotiations is 25% of the last one sent.

Katfish on July 27, 2011 at 12:17 PM

Some times you just have to say no, I will not negotiate with you because even giving you a little of what you want is disastrous for me.

angryed on July 26, 2011 at 11:51 PM

Exactly. 50% good ideas and 50% bad ideas does not create a “balanced approach.” It creates a bad plan. Boner needs to be saying this, and continue handing the exact same bill (CCB?) to the Senate till they either pass it or get voted out of office.

samuelrylander on July 27, 2011 at 12:25 PM

Get Real People. It’s all Smoke and Mirrors.

Any Bill that relies on ‘out years’ action: i.e. Debt reduction over the next 10 years or promises to establish a committee to come up with cost reductions next year, is like having your drunken brother-in-law promise that, after imbibing just a little more this year, he will quit drinking altogether for the next 10 years.

Voters, know this:
• Any Tax increases (under any pseudonym that Obama chooses to use) will be implemented immediately.
• Any cuts to the national debt that fall in this congressional session, may or may not be implemented.
• Any future cuts over the next (10) years will not be implemented. After 2012, any Future President, Senate or House members can and will do whatever they think will get them reelected.

Our national debt to GNP ratio is real. It is now. It is what it is.

Any ‘Congressional Cacophony’ you hear that is going to fix the problem in 8 to10 years is just the politician’s way of telling you that they know you are a fool.

Uniblogger on July 27, 2011 at 12:34 PM

HondaV65 on July 27, 2011 at 10:45 AM

If only the Founding Fathers had instituted term limits for all politicians. Their one fatal flaw.

revolutionismyname on July 27, 2011 at 12:47 PM

I don’t like to be crude or vile but if these stupid bastards don’t stop their childish fighting among themselves we’ll all be left in the cold. Does the Republican Party have death wish?

rplat on July 27, 2011 at 1:05 PM

Leave it to Boehner to clutch defeat from the jaws of victory.

The House passed the Ryan plan and CCB.

They were not simply aspirational or something for Boehner to take to the Tea Partiers.

It doesn’t need to pass any more budget legislation.

Beohner’s bill is garbage, which should come as no surprise to those of us who thought he was an awful pick as Speaker in January.

The man is useless.

molonlabe28 on July 27, 2011 at 1:45 PM

Ah the private citizen says it BEST folks!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SGyVNippvA&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Katfish on July 27, 2011 at 1:59 PM

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