Allen West backing Boehner’s debt deal, Pelosi welcomes “age of austerity”

posted at 7:53 pm on July 25, 2011 by Allahpundit

Via the Standard, the scoop on West comes from Cox Radio reporter Jamie Dupree. West himself weighed in on Twitter:

I will support the new debt deal- it has enough of what I need including no tax hikes, spending caps and a step toward a balanced budget.

US Senate has no credibility. Sen Reid has had 815 days to produce a budget- nothing & now he wants to produce a debt plan. Zero credibility

Big news, needless to say. West’s support gives Boehner’s plan instant grassroots cred and therefore political cover for other tea-party freshmen to grudgingly support it, which is exactly what the GOP leadership needs to keep the plan viable in the House. It also signals a fracture within the Cut, Cap, and Balance Coalition, of which West is a member and which, as a group, opposes the plan because it punts entitlements to a commission and doesn’t demand a vote up front on a balanced-budget entitlement. Boehner’s back in the game!

Or … maybe not:

The chairman of the conservative Republican Study Committee wasted little time announcing his opposition to the House GOP leadership’s two-step plan to raise the debt ceiling.

Rep. Jim Jordan (R-Ohio), who stood — visibly uncomfortable — next to House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) during Monday’s announcement of the plan, released a statement saying he would vote “no” on the measure…

Jordan argued that his leadership team should stand behind a measure that the House approved on a party-line vote last week — the “cut, cap and balance” bill that failed in the Senate.

“The credit rating agencies have been clear that no matter what happens with the debt limit, the U.S. will lose its AAA credit rating unless we produce a credible plan to reduce the debt by trillions of dollars. Cut, Cap, and Balance is the only plan on the table that meets this standard. Only a Balanced Budget Amendment will actually solve our debt problems,” Jordan stated.

DeMint’s also against it, of course, but Mike Pence is reserving judgment and Grover Norquist’s group supports it because it includes no new tax hikes. (Neither does Reid’s plan, actually. Do they also support that?) With so many conservative power-brokers pointing different ways, maybe Boehner can get to 218 with most of his caucus plus a few Hoyer-ish Democrats.

Or … maybe not:

Washington, D.C. – Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi released the following statement on proposals announced today to reduce the deficit and avoid default:

It is clear we must enter an era of austerity; to reduce the deficit through shared sacrifice…

“The latest proposal from the House Republicans is a short-term plan that burdens the middle class and seniors, and continues this debate about whether we will default in a few months from now.

Senator Reid has put forward a responsible plan to reduce the deficit that protects the middle class, and Medicare, Social Security and Medicare beneficiaries. It also includes many proposals already supported by Republicans.”

So there’s the answer to my exit question in the earlier post about Reid’s proposal. Yes, in fact, House progressives will support a bill that doesn’t raise taxes and cuts over $2.5 trillion (almost half of it in phony war “savings,” of course) so long as it doesn’t touch entitlements and spares the Lightbringer the inconvenience of dealing with this issue again before the election. And if they’re willing to do that, maybe centrist Democrats will decide to go for broke by lining up behind Reid as a viable option and voting no on Boehner. Either way, take some comfort in the fact that the GOP’s resolute push for meaningful cuts now has Nancy Pelosi croaking out praise through gritted teeth for “austerity.”

Which brings us to the new exit question: Can either of these bills pass both chambers? With Democrats lining up behind Reid, Boehner will have to pass his bill mostly or even solely with Republican votes. Even with West on his side, I’m not sure he can get to 218 — although, ironically, the fact that Democrats are pulling together may help convince reluctant freshmen Republicans to back Boehner either in the name of party solidarity or to make sure that Reid’s plan, with the help of moderate GOPers, isn’t the only one that gets to the Senate. Even if Boehner gets it through the House, though, how does McConnell get it through the Senate with DeMint and a few other Republicans bound to vote no while Senate Democrats rally behind Reid’s plan as some sort of gaudy fiscally conservative alternative? Hard to see how the GOP gets to 60 but it’s pretty easy to see how Reid does thanks to Brown, Murkowski, Collins, Snowe and three or four other Republicans who’ll vote yes simply in the interest of averting default at the eleventh hour. The only question is whether House Republicans can hang together to block Reid’s bill in the lower chamber, which will now be much harder with Pelosi supporting it. If she and Hoyer deliver, say, 160 Democrats, are moderate Republicans really going to walk away from that, knowing that Default Day is impending and that Boehner’s bill is DOA in the Senate? I’m skeptical.

Update: West on the Boehner plan:

Even Rep. Allen West (R., Fla.), a freshman and tea-party favorite, told National Review Online that while the plan was a “75 to 80 percent solution,” it was something he could ultimately support. “You know, son, one thing they tell you in the military — if you sit around and wait to come up with the 100 percent plan, then the enemy has probably already attacked you,” he said.

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This plan is crap.

The current deficit is ~$1.5 trillion a year ($15 trillion over 10 years). If both rounds of cuts in Boehner’s plan are enacted they amount to $300 billion a year ($3 trillion over 10 years). That means we would still face new debt accumulated over the next decade of ~$12 trillion. Current debt totals ~$14.3 trillion. The two debt ceiling hikes would allow it to rise to ~$16.9 trillion by 2012. The debt ceiling would have to be raised many times after the second hike in 2012. And we would still be on a trajectory to accumulate total debt of ~$26.3 trillion by 2022.

This plan is crap.

steebo77 on July 25, 2011 at 7:54 PM

RINO!!

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KingGold on July 25, 2011 at 7:55 PM

What if one of the reasons that they are so desperate to make a deal is that there IS no money to pay SS, or anything else? That the $200 billion they say comes in every month is ephemeral, vapor, gone, gone, gone, in advance. We know that the Social Security ‘lockbox’ is empty, but what if it is ALL empty now? And without the ‘deal’ everyone will find out about it, and hang them all from lampposts.

Schadenfreude on July 25, 2011 at 7:56 PM

“He’s not a gentleman” –Debbie Wasserman-Schultz

Schadenfreude on July 25, 2011 at 7:57 PM

The thing to hope for: gridlock on all these proposals until the public has at least 3 days to read them and a week would be better.

No more rushed bills from EITHER party as those have been an unmitigated disaster for this country.

ajacksonian on July 25, 2011 at 7:58 PM

Can Reid’s bill pass the Senate?

BKeyser on July 25, 2011 at 7:58 PM

HEADACHE!

Back to the Perry thread – more enjoyable.

gophergirl on July 25, 2011 at 7:59 PM

I call this new plan by Boehner….

….”THE NO POLITICAL COURAGE PLAN“.

First off, there will be no cuts because it will NEVER get out of this “SUPER CONGRESS” Committee.

Secondly, the Balanced Budget Amendment will NEVER pass both houses, and Obama would veto it.

Thirdly, this pissy little $1 trillion over 10 years is A FREAKING JOKE!!! That’s about $100 billion a year on a $1.5 Trillion dollar DEFICIT.

If this isn’t LYING to the American People I don’t know what is. How can you stand up and call this “responsible”?

The only thing in this plan that I support is setting up Obama to have to deal with this again in Spring of next year. But the GOP will probably cave on that one too.

We are Greece!!!

PappyD61 on July 25, 2011 at 8:02 PM

How hard is it to demand a floor vote and open debate on Cut, Cap and balance first?

Daemonocracy on July 25, 2011 at 8:02 PM

I will “share sacrifice” with Pelosi when she starts flying coach, drinking Two-Buck Chuck, and wearing jeans she bought at Value Village.

theotherone on July 25, 2011 at 8:03 PM

/face palm

FloatingRock on July 25, 2011 at 8:04 PM

The only question is whether House Republicans can hang together to block Reid’s bill in the lower chamber, which will now be much harder with Pelosi supporting it.

Yes they will. Paul Ryan says Reid’s plan is a joke:

It is encouraging to see Senate Democrats acknowledge that job-destroying tax increases are a bad idea – and that they are ready to work with House Republicans to cut government spending. Yet it is critical for policymakers to maintain credibility as they work together to deal responsibly with the debt ceiling. Senator Reid’s misleading claims will not pass muster with credit markets. Such gimmickry does a disservice to the American people, who deserve responsible, honest leadership.

Weight of Glory on July 25, 2011 at 8:05 PM

Big news, needless to say. West’s support gives Boehner’s plan instant grassroots cred

Not in my opinion, it only diminishes his own.

FloatingRock on July 25, 2011 at 8:05 PM

Big news, needless to say. West’s support gives Boehner’s plan instant grassroots cred and therefore political cover for other tea-party freshmen to grudgingly support it,

You think grassroots are some kind of mice that can be lead by any new piped piper? Allen West voted on Pigford etc and is too green. I’d give him time to learn the ropes ahd he is promising for future but certainly does not have enough cachet to sweeten Boehner’s idiotic plans.

promachus on July 25, 2011 at 8:05 PM

“It is clear we must enter an era of austerity; to reduce the deficit through shared sacrifice…

All that means is they are losing the media war – they say what they think the credit rating agencies want to hear. But there is nothing Harry Reid is proposing that substantially backs that talk up.

Someone needs to let Harry and Nan know not everyone they are trying to persuade, went to public school in California. The folks they are trying to persuade, probably went to private schools, and graduated from Ivy league schools. So not the usual schmucks who buy into their class warfare BS.

The people they are effecting – the ones that invest, financiers are not going to appreciate our credit rating going down, and having their interest rates going up. Those folks weren’t dumbed down by the American public school system. I doubt seriously they watch cable news, the Democrat propaganda outlets. It will be interesting when they go begging for donations for their campaigns from the same wealthy people, they keep attacking and villianizing in the media. Let their welfare constituents fund their campaigns.

Dr Evil on July 25, 2011 at 8:05 PM

How disappointing, I was a West fan.

FloatingRock on July 25, 2011 at 8:06 PM

If Reid’s plan wins in the Senate but fails in the House (which it will) and CCB/BBA or Boehner’s plan wins in the House but fails in the Senate, then we’re back to square one. At that point it becomes a message game. If there’s no McConnell fallback plan-which is toxic in the House- then the nation will not raise the debt ceiling and the balance budget amendment goes into effect by default, as we will no longer be able to fund anything beyond our credit obligations and a few social safety net programs like SS and Medicare. This is going to be one of the more interesting weeks in politics.

Weight of Glory on July 25, 2011 at 8:10 PM

How disappointing, I was a West fan.

FloatingRock on July 25, 2011 at 8:06 PM

There is no avoiding the slime of DC. Once you step into the cesspool, it gets all over you. Resistance is futile. West will become corrupt just like they all do.

j_galt on July 25, 2011 at 8:10 PM

Damn it West…..MAN UP SOLDIER!!

Don’t fall for boner’s crap…..TAKE A PRINCILPLED STAND!

Tim_CA on July 25, 2011 at 8:12 PM

“lightbringer”
Awesome.

AntonDomi on July 25, 2011 at 8:13 PM

Looks like Bill O finally sees O for the twisted freak he is. Just eviscerated him in his talking points and discussion with Brit Hume. Took him long enough.

andy85719 on July 25, 2011 at 8:14 PM

I hope it gets voted down. On to default! We’ll clean Washington out yet!

GarandFan on July 25, 2011 at 8:15 PM

Weight of Glory on July 25, 2011 at 8:10 PM

Are you sure Beohner’s house won’t vote for Reid’s plan?

promachus on July 25, 2011 at 8:16 PM

Palin/and any principled conservative at this point…there may not be any out there.

wheelgun on July 25, 2011 at 8:17 PM

are moderate Republicans really going to walk away from that, knowing that Default Day is impending and that Boehner’s bill is DOA in the Senate? I’m skeptical.

Turn that question around: are moderate Dems in the Senate really going to walk on Boehner’s plan, knowing default day is impending and Reid’s bill is DOA in the House? I’m skeptical. I don’t know why we give more legitimacy to the Senate. If bill ‘A’ is dead in the Senate, and bill ‘B’ is dead in the House, then the effect is the same, and the realities of “walking away” or not apply to both situations.

Weight of Glory on July 25, 2011 at 8:17 PM

I’m not sure I understand why people continue to trash Boehner and others whenever a new plan comes out that is short of impeaching Obama. The House has passed two budgetary measures since January; the Ryan budget and the CCB plan to raise the debt limit. The Senate has passed nothing in more than two years.

Boehner had a decent plan until Obama blew it up this weekend, which, I’m starting to believe, was an immature payback for Boehner walking out last week.

We can’t balance the budget this year. It will take many years to turn this around. Everything the GOP has tried has been stymied in the House or shot down from Obama.

So, it seems pretty logical at this point that nothing the GOP puts forth that isn’t either clean or raises taxes, will fail. So why not keep passing stuff that is closer and closer to what the Dems want? They won’t pass it anyway so long as there are no tax hikes. This way they can say, “Hey, we passed multiple bills in the House and each one showed more compromise; all in an effort to negotiate with the President. Clearly, he had no intention of ever signing anything and preferred default. No SS checks? Blame the President.”

No?

BKeyser on July 25, 2011 at 8:17 PM

OT: Wow, what a handsome picture of this man! Thank you.

petefrt on July 25, 2011 at 8:17 PM

Are you sure Beohner’s house won’t vote for Reid’s plan?

promachus on July 25, 2011 at 8:16 PM

Yeah. Paul Ryan’s given them cover. I can’t possibly see House Republicans voting for “cuts” when the economic wonk-in-chief says those cuts are gimmicks. Reid’s plan is dead. It’ll be Boehner’s plan in the Senate or no ceiling raise.

Weight of Glory on July 25, 2011 at 8:19 PM

“It is clear we must enter an era of austerity; to reduce the deficit through shared sacrifice…

Ok, Nancy – I suppose you won’t mind if we start with Obamacare then, right?

Midas on July 25, 2011 at 8:19 PM

I love the fact that gridlock unenviably favors the GOP in this.

Scott H on July 25, 2011 at 8:21 PM

A default is not imminent. There is no need to raise the debt ceiling. It’s ridiculous to even acquiesce to that talking point.

SouthernGent on July 25, 2011 at 8:22 PM

West’s support gives Boehner’s plan instant grassroots cred …

Eh… not so much.

Midas on July 25, 2011 at 8:22 PM

Allahpundit seems confused by this whole thing.

Or Maybe not…

Allahpundit has a good read on what West is doing.

Or Maybe not…

Allahpundit is hoping that he can look like he’s on top of this by throwing out multiple reads on the situation so can say “As I said in the past” and then proclaim “See? I told you so”.

Or Maybe not…

NickDeringer on July 25, 2011 at 8:23 PM

Does Pelosi ever utter a phrase that hasn’t gone through the Lakoff school of rhetoric and been poll-tested by the brain dead?

onlineanalyst on July 25, 2011 at 8:23 PM

A very lucid comment on C4P on what Boehner’s strategy is:

What did we expect? Boehner is real good at allowing cover for all those who want to be seen as voting the right way on meaningless votes that don’t have a prayer of going beyond the House in setting the table to cave later. This happened before when the Obamacare repeal was passed out of the House, but, suddenly dropped from Boehner’s radar when he could have pulled the plug on it instead of going the continuing resolution ad nauseam road which did nothing. My Congressman Thompson of the 5th PA District is real good at touting how he voted to repeal Obamacare and the rest of the litany of House votes that went nowhere, then voting with Boehner to essentially do nothing but play right into the hands of the Obamunists. Enough of that con!

promachus on July 25, 2011 at 8:23 PM

Look, Paul Ryan issued his statement from the House Budget Committee website and he began his analysis of Reid’s plan with this quote of George Will in the Washington post:

“Why, one wonders, not ‘save’ $5 trillion by proposing to spend that amount to cover the moon with yogurt and then cancelling the proposal?”

There is no way Republicans in the House will vote for a plan that defines cuts in such a way that brings Ryan into the fray using George Will quotes about budget gimmicks. Aint gonna happen. Reid’s plan is dead in the House.

Weight of Glory on July 25, 2011 at 8:23 PM

BKeyser: And you think that that is a stronger hand, media speaking than

“If President Obama wanted to spend even more of our children’s money, he should have done that while his party controlled both houses of Congress.”

?

Seriously, all of this is a joke. Why is the GOP even trying to negotiate with the liberals? This Charlie Brown and Lucy kabuki needs to stop, NOW.

Scott H on July 25, 2011 at 8:24 PM

“75 to 80 percent solution,”

HEY…!

Seven Percent Solution on July 25, 2011 at 8:24 PM

Credit agencies are not buying into Reid’s phony “savings.” End of story.

onlineanalyst on July 25, 2011 at 8:25 PM

“It is clear we must enter an era of austerity; to reduce the deficit through shared sacrifice…

I spent 35 years as a soldier . . . that’s my share, what’s yours?

rplat on July 25, 2011 at 8:25 PM

It seems some people can never be happy, no matter whom they support in Washington.

Well, at least this should plug up the asinine PALIN/WEST 2012! posts for a while.

KingGold on July 25, 2011 at 8:26 PM

As an former Allen West fan it pains me to say that if he votes for Boehner’s crooked deal he should be primaried. :(

FloatingRock on July 25, 2011 at 8:27 PM

West is a realist. He’ll take 3/4 loaf rather than none and live to fight for the other 1/4 another day.

SilentWatcher on July 25, 2011 at 8:29 PM

It seems some people can never be happy, no matter whom they support in Washington.

Well, at least this should plug up the asinine PALIN/WEST 2012! posts for a while.

KingGold on July 25, 2011 at 8:26 PM

This is the second vote that wasn’t principled, he losing me

wheelgun on July 25, 2011 at 8:30 PM

Scott H on July 25, 2011 at 8:24 PM

No, I’m not making a comparison between attempts to negotiate in good faith yet remaining strong on core principles- that’s what negotiation is.

But you asked: Why is the GOP negotiating with liberals?

6,400,000 in 0.18 seconds

We lose if we cut off negotiations.

BKeyser on July 25, 2011 at 8:31 PM

I don’t know if either of these bills can pass both chambers. I don’t know if a lot of the conservatives could ever support a bill that could pass the Senate and I don’t know that the liberals could support a bill that could pass the Senate.

I know the WaPo is biased {most media is}, but according to them this is in Boehner’s plan:

• Cuts that exceed the debt hike. The framework would cut and cap discretionary spending immediately, saving $1.2 trillion over 10 years (subject to CBO confirmation), and raise the debt ceiling by less – up to $1 trillion.

• Caps to control future spending. The framework imposes spending caps that would establish clear limits on future spending and serve as a barrier against government expansion while the economy grows. Failure to remain below these caps will trigger automatic across-the-board cuts (otherwise known as sequestration).

• Balanced Budget Amendment. The framework advances the cause of the Balanced Budget Amendment by requiring the House and Senate to vote on the measure after Oct. 1, but before the end of the year, allowing the American people time to build sufficient support for this popular reform.

• Entitlement Reforms & Savings. The framework creates a Joint Committee of Congress that is required to report legislation that would produce a proposal to reduce the deficit by at least $1.8 trillion over 10 years. Each chamber would consider the proposal of the joint committee on an up-or-down basis without any amendments. If the proposal is enacted, then the president would be authorized to request a debt limit increase of $1.6 trillion.

I think West supports it because he thinks it is the best chance to get something passed. Otherwise, it hits the fan. Sometimes all the choices are bad ones.

Terrye on July 25, 2011 at 8:31 PM

C’mon people, we need to make sure any agreement doesn’t go beyond the next election. We have to make sure there is another tussle next year, just before the primaries get heated. This agreement does it…. probable why Obama is going to invoke his interpretation of the 14th ammendment in about 20 minutes.

PaCadle on July 25, 2011 at 8:35 PM

I spent 35 years as a soldier . . . that’s my share, what’s yours?

rplat on July 25, 2011 at 8:25 PM

Thank you.

massrighty on July 25, 2011 at 8:37 PM

We still have a budget that needs to be approved by the end of September. How does this impact that? As we all know, we have a $1.6T deficit this year. We need to cut spending by at least $700B this year and look for further cuts in the near future. Can you hear the Democrats/media screeching about this? Can you hear them defending a $1T+ deficit? Who do you think will buy that?

djaymick on July 25, 2011 at 8:37 PM

steebo77, sadly I agree that the plan is crap although perhaps not for all the same reasons. If we get hoodwinked again the future will not be pretty in any number of ways.

Mason on July 25, 2011 at 8:39 PM

A very lucid comment on C4P on what Boehner’s strategy is:

What did we expect? Boehner is real good at allowing cover for all those who want to be seen as voting the right way on meaningless votes that don’t have a prayer of going beyond the House in setting the table to cave later.

This happened before when the Obamacare repeal was passed out of the House, but, suddenly dropped from Boehner’s radar when he could have pulled the plug on it instead of going the continuing resolution ad nauseam road which did nothing. My Congressman Thompson of the 5th PA District is real good at touting how he voted to repeal Obamacare and the rest of the litany of House votes that went nowhere, then voting with Boehner to essentially do nothing but play right into the hands of the Obamunists.

Enough of that con!
promachus on July 25, 2011 at 8:23 PM

What exactly has the U.S. House actually ACCOMPLISHED in the 6 months since the GOP took over?

PappyD61 on July 25, 2011 at 8:40 PM

we can’t do much under this president so don’t whine…

let’s get this done now before our economy collapses.

TimeTraveler on July 25, 2011 at 8:40 PM

I’m sick of this crap.

Bugler on July 25, 2011 at 8:41 PM

I’m glad that West exposed himself before he was nominated for VP. That would have sucked if we found out too late.

FloatingRock on July 25, 2011 at 8:47 PM

West seriously overestimates his cred with the TEA Party if he thinks we are going to accept this deal. We cannot raise the debt ceiling anymore. We have to cut spending. If it throws a bunch of Federal employees onto the unemployment rolls that is the Dem’s problem. Obama hired them, Obama can tell them why they are beng laid off…. We the People won’t pay for them anymore.

CCRWM on July 25, 2011 at 8:47 PM

I could be very wrong, but I trust Allen West.

IMO, the main thing here is we keep our options open and revisit the issue next year, prior to the election. Let’s see how Øbama reacts then.

petefrt on July 25, 2011 at 8:50 PM

Like Nanzi knows what auterity is, huh?

Eren on July 25, 2011 at 8:52 PM

*austerity*

Eren on July 25, 2011 at 8:52 PM

This plan is crap.

The current deficit is ~$1.5 trillion a year ($15 trillion over 10 years). If both rounds of cuts in Boehner’s plan are enacted they amount to $300 billion a year ($3 trillion over 10 years). That means we would still face new debt accumulated over the next decade of ~$12 trillion.

steebo77

You do know the 10 year part is virtually meaningless right? This plan will be null and void once we take back the senate and the White House in 2012. This isn’t a 10 year plan, it’s a temporary plan to get us through the next election. Then when we control everything, and we will, we can make changes that will actually make a difference.

xblade on July 25, 2011 at 8:53 PM

What is even sadder is that we don’t even have any conservatives waiting in the wings (or on deck as my husband says) to primary the frauds in government now…

CCRWM on July 25, 2011 at 8:53 PM

xblade on July 25, 2011 at 8:53 PM

That’s the bottom line, the way I see it too.

petefrt on July 25, 2011 at 8:56 PM

Can someone please help me understand this?

Credit ratings agencies are threatening to downgrade our bond rating, correct? They’re saying we need to show real spending control and not trickery with the books. Right again?

If that’s the case, why would Obama get behind the Reid plan when he surely knows that while he may be able to convince the inner city masses, they won’t sway Moody’s.

And then you have this Politico opinion piece that calls for a clean bill. That obviously doesn’t address the possible downgrade, and, if the same thing was done for an individual Equifax would probably lower your credit score. This woman must realize that, right?

BKeyser on July 25, 2011 at 8:58 PM

Optics this makes the Republicans look reasonable right before the next speech by the speechinator.

Dr Evil on July 25, 2011 at 8:58 PM

here’s dummy!

BKeyser on July 25, 2011 at 9:01 PM

I hope it gets voted down. On to default! We’ll clean Washington out yet!

GarandFan on July 25, 2011 at 8:15 PM

We aren’t going to default we can pay the interest on our loans we take in enough revenue. But if they don’t trim 4 trillion dollars from our budget REAL SPENDING CUTS, we will get our credit rating downgraded. It doesn’t look like the credit agencies are going to wait much longer.

Dr Evil on July 25, 2011 at 9:01 PM

blame bush, really?

BKeyser on July 25, 2011 at 9:02 PM

Leadership. Someone has the balls to tell the truth and not pander to to the nihilsts.

swamp_yankee on July 25, 2011 at 9:05 PM

Secondly, the Balanced Budget Amendment will NEVER pass both houses, and Obama would veto it.

PappyD61 on July 25, 2011 at 8:02 PM

What is it with conservatives and US civics? Sheesh. Might want to re-read Article V, buckaroo.

hicsuget on July 25, 2011 at 9:07 PM

It seems most people here don`t want a person as their congressman or senator….. They want a robot. I`m quite convinced that towards the end of Reagan`s 2nd term (if it was occurring now), many here would call him a RINO.

ThePrez on July 25, 2011 at 9:07 PM

Jordan argued that his leadership team should stand behind a measure that the House approved on a party-line vote last week — the “cut, cap and balance” bill that failed in the Senate.

Yes!!!!!!!!!!

unclesmrgol on July 25, 2011 at 9:15 PM

The only thing that’s going to keep us from a bond ratings downgrade, and the resulting higher interest rates that will wipe out any savings from Reid 1.0 or Boehner 2.0, is the passage of CCB. Anything else is masturbation.

TXUS on July 25, 2011 at 9:17 PM

What is it with conservatives and US civics? Sheesh. Might want to re-read Article V, buckaroo.

hicsuget on July 25, 2011 at 9:07 PM

Probably the same thing that liberals have with it — fine meaning escapes the mind.

unclesmrgol on July 25, 2011 at 9:25 PM

Even Rep. Allen West (R., Fla.), a freshman and tea-party favorite, told National Review Online that while the plan was a “75 to 80 percent solution,” it was something he could ultimately support.

Boys, we’ll let the cut-throats kill 20-25 percent of you to be fair. It’s called compromise.

“You know, son, one thing they tell you in the military — if you sit around and wait to come up with the 100 percent plan, then the enemy has probably already attacked you,” he said.

You mean they haven’t already attacked us and this isn’t one of their favorite ploys?

Feedie on July 25, 2011 at 9:27 PM

Come on, West. You know better than that. This plan isn’t “75% or 80% there), it’s 0% there. Any plan that raises the debt ceiling is a massive FAIL.

AUH2O on July 25, 2011 at 9:56 PM

Posted something similar on another thread, but I truly, truly think the plan (all along) is to run the clock down, resurrect CCB and proclaim that since legislation HAS to originate in the house, and since it has already passed that body, the Senate will be forced to vote on it and it will pass…handily!

Chewy the Lab on July 25, 2011 at 10:03 PM

Palin/and any principled conservative at this point…there may not be any out there.

wheelgun on July 25, 2011 at 8:17 PM

I think Palin is waiting til after August 2 to announce. This way she can react to the actual events rather than go out on too long of a limb with a hard-line no-debt-raise position. It will keep her safe and her powder dry to wait.

leftnomore on July 25, 2011 at 10:10 PM

A principled TP-er doesn’t need “cover” by West to vote for something. This is an asinine comment.

leftnomore on July 25, 2011 at 10:12 PM

Anything else is masturbation.

TXUS on July 25, 2011 at 9:17 PM

Great idea, I need a break from this depressing thread.

leftnomore on July 25, 2011 at 10:14 PM

Not in my opinion, it only diminishes his own.

FloatingRock on July 25, 2011 at 8:05 PM

Same here. This is a mistake.

holygoat on July 25, 2011 at 10:25 PM

cutting welfare, Enforce immigration laws, gut the EPA.
Cut EBT to 20 dollars per head.
, Bring home all military to guard our borders, End bullsh!t mil spending (keeping the good stuff) No private contractors cooking out GI’s chow (what ever happened to Cooks?)
Use 10,000 dollar jeeps instead of 250,000 dollor humvees.

END ALL FOEIEGN AID, I CAN’T AFFORD IT.
END ALL SUBSIDIES.

And Drill baby Drill!
The genesis of all wealth in and economy is production of raw materials and then make crap out of it.

esnap on July 25, 2011 at 10:32 PM

I agree with West. This is Boehner vs Obama. This is us against him. It is important that Boehner win.

Connie on July 26, 2011 at 12:38 AM

Reid’s deal gives the Dems almost a Trillion to BLOW between now and the election.

Those “phony war savings” have already been accounted for; that trillion of increase in the debt ceiling they represent in Reid’s plan just becomes a 1 trillion dollar blank check.

This is beyond ridiculous, Nov. 2012 can’t come soon enough.

Jason Coleman on July 26, 2011 at 2:36 AM

I have a new slogan for 2011: “World Can’t Wait!” :’?

leftnomore on July 26, 2011 at 3:33 AM

It seems some people can never be happy, no matter whom they support in Washington.

Well, at least this should plug up the asinine PALIN/WEST 2012! posts for a while.

KingGold on July 25, 2011 at 8:26 PM

This is the second vote that wasn’t principled, he losing me

wheelgun on July 25, 2011 at 8:30 PM

Well there’s always Palin/Palin -Todd seems to have more principle than our congress-critters.

Don L on July 26, 2011 at 7:43 AM

West is pragmatic enough to know that we’re never going to get what we want until we have super majorities in the house and senate and a good Tea Party candidate in the POTUS position. DD

Darvin Dowdy on July 26, 2011 at 8:03 AM

You do know the 10 year part is virtually meaningless right? This plan will be null and void once we take back the senate and the White House in 2012. This isn’t a 10 year plan, it’s a temporary plan to get us through the next election. Then when we control everything, and we will, we can make changes that will actually make a difference.

xblade on July 25, 2011 at 8:53 PM

If we want to avoid a downgrade, we’re going to need a plan that carries us past 2012. Just listen to what the NRSROs are saying and have been saying for months…

steebo77 on July 26, 2011 at 10:22 AM