Norway, with a substantial rate of gun ownership, is normally noted for non-violence

posted at 5:00 pm on July 24, 2011 by Tina Korbe

The nation of Norway was an especially unlikely setting for a shooting rampage that left at least 85 dead. The country of 4.9 million residents has one of the lowest per-capita homicide rates in Europe.

Interestingly, however, gun ownership is relatively common in Norway, the Los Angeles Times reports.

Gun ownership in Norway is common, although strict gun regulations and limitations are in place on ammunition for certain kinds of guns.

According to GunPolicy.org, an Australian university-based website, the estimated number of guns held by civilians in Norway was 1.4 million in 2007, the most recent year for which the site has such statistics for Norway.

Citing the “Small Arms Survey 2007: Guns and the City,” published by Cambridge University Press, the website give the rate of private gun ownership in Norway as 31.32 firearms per 100 people[.]

In the wake of a shooting, after the initial shock and sorrow subside, two reactions predictably emerge — calls for greater civility in discourse and calls for greater gun control. Such was the case, at least, after Jared Lee Loughner shot Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D-Ariz.) in January.

And, indeed, some have already begun to criticize the rhetoric in Europe that has supposedly contributed to the sort of climate of hate that would prompt someone to release fire as at Oslo:

The attacks in Oslo on Friday have riveted new attention on right-wing extremists not just in Norway but across Europe, where opposition to Muslim immigrants, globalization, the power of the European Union and the drive toward multiculturalism has proven a potent political force and, in a few cases, a spur to violence.

The success of populist parties appealing to a sense of lost national identity has brought criticism of minorities, immigrants and in particular Muslims out of the beer halls and Internet chat rooms and into mainstream politics. While the parties themselves generally do not condone violence, some experts say a climate of hatred in the political discourse has encouraged violent individuals.

“I’m not surprised when things like the bombing in Norway happen, because you will always find people who feel more radical means are necessary,” said Joerg Forbrig, an analyst at the German Marshall Fund in Berlin who has studied far-right issues in Europe. “It literally is something that can happen in a number of places and there are broader problems behind it.”

Perhaps the calls for increased gun regulations are not far behind. Both reactions are understandable. Natural to want to make sense of senseless violence and even more natural to want to forestall it by tempering tongues and enacting obstacles to gun ownership. But we must not seek solutions where they will not be found.

On some level, perhaps the wisest course is to remain a while longer in the spell of shock and grief that evil casts, allow ourselves to feel the full extent of its horror — precisely so we will realize that no carefully crafted words, no perfectly strategized policy will ever eliminate it entirely. Perhaps in that realization we will then awaken to a new realization — that evil will only fully and finally be overcome by something greater than ourselves.

Update: This post originally misidentified Rep. Gabby Giffords as a Republican.

 


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And, indeed, some have already begun to criticize the rhetoric in Europe

Any movement should be criticized which has a sizable portion which advocates violence and in particular sanctions killing of those with whom they disagree. Right wing politics isn’t such a movement. Islam is (fatwas and jihad).

Paul-Cincy on July 24, 2011 at 5:06 PM

There was only one guy on that island with a gun. Gun control was 99.9% effective.

pedestrian on July 24, 2011 at 5:11 PM

I’ll bet you numbers to nuts that this nugget of White Rightwing Extremism will be used by Janet Incompetano, Holder and Obama, to push for more gun restrictions and more domestic spying on Blond Blue Eyed Fatherland types.

Kini on July 24, 2011 at 5:12 PM

I’ll bet you numbers to nuts that this nugget of White Rightwing Extremism will be used by Janet Incompetano, Holder and Obama, to push for more gun restrictions and more domestic spying on Blond Blue Eyed Fatherland types.

Kini on July 24, 2011 at 5:12 PM

Already happening. See last weeks video saying just that from this crew. Coincidence? Know I’m not a conspiracy theorist. It was just strange timing…

sandee on July 24, 2011 at 5:14 PM

One sad element that has come out of this tragedy is the political point scoring from the Left and MSM. For years, they keep on telling us how we cannot let one man or one organization smear an entire group of people. Expect if he is a white male so is supposedly Christian I guess.

So on that note, he is talking, and guess what everyone? He’s not a Christian. He’s agnostic. Being agnostic is not a bad thing, but its not fundamental Christianity either.

http://twitter.com/#!/bfcarlson/status/95185885976477696

http://twitter.com/#!/MZHemingway/status/95205572332359681

How much do you guys want to bet that this little titbit is going to be washed down the memory hole.

Lance Murdock on July 24, 2011 at 5:17 PM

The solution to gun crime is more good people with guns, not fewer. Evil will always be out there. Making it more difficult to oppose evil is stupid and will guarantee more good people being hurt.

SKYFOX on July 24, 2011 at 5:19 PM

He killed 80 People without being confronted by another person with a gun. That there tells you which side of the regulation on firearms the problem is. If people cannot, or are afraid to conceal carry due to heavy regulation or ambiguous regulation that makes it not worth the risk to carry, then having a billion guns per 1000 residents will be as effective at disarming the people completely.

astonerii on July 24, 2011 at 5:22 PM

I thought Giffords was a (D-AZ)?

Black Adam on July 24, 2011 at 5:26 PM

where opposition to Muslim immigrants, globalization, the power of the European Union and the drive toward multiculturalism has proven a potent political force

Opposition to that nation killing crap is a good thing. Killing innocent people to make your point isn’t.

I mean who in the hell is for that?

darwin on July 24, 2011 at 5:26 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01mTKDaKa6Q

check this out..this is what is in store for the mass murderer of 92. Unreal

lostinjrz on July 24, 2011 at 5:29 PM

I mean who in the hell is for that?

darwin on July 24, 2011 at 5:26 PM

People who have no power over their government, even when it is a known fact that they are the majority. Kind of like us having obamacare shoved down our throats. If the government continues to do things like that, cracks with start breaking, and more people like him will likely strike out. Likely, but not certainly. He is how revolutions begin, but not the good ones.

astonerii on July 24, 2011 at 5:31 PM

I’ll bet you numbers to nuts that …
Kini on July 24, 2011 at 5:12 PM

I’m betting dollars to donuts. Would you consider dollars to donuts?

petefrt on July 24, 2011 at 5:32 PM

lostinjrz on July 24, 2011 at 5:29 PM

Reminds me of that 60′s British television show, The Prisoner

Kini on July 24, 2011 at 5:35 PM

Giffords is a Democrat.

Ortzinator on July 24, 2011 at 5:37 PM

I’m betting dollars to donuts. Would you consider dollars to donuts?

petefrt on July 24, 2011 at 5:32 PM

Not really, because donuts mean entrepreneurship, which means capitalism, which means profits, which means free markets, and we all know that’s not shared sacrifice.

Nuts grow on trees, just like the nut farm in the White House.

Kini on July 24, 2011 at 5:41 PM

A pox on the politics.

God comfort the victims, and God comfort the families. Godless madmen do this. I don’t care what they claim.

Limerick on July 24, 2011 at 5:42 PM

Tina you need to correct the party of Rep. Gabrielle Giffords

CW on July 24, 2011 at 5:42 PM

Norway, with a substantial rate of gun ownership, is normally noted for non-violence

Don’t say that around any liberals, unless you’re prepared for their heads to explode.

“That does not compute. Norman, coordinate!”

There Goes The Neighborhood on July 24, 2011 at 5:43 PM

I thought Giffords was a (D-AZ)?

Yes, without question. If Giffords was a Republican, Loughner would already have his own show on MSNBC.

Fabozz on July 24, 2011 at 5:43 PM

I disagree. It is not natural to call for gun control in the wake of such mass murder mayhem. It IS typical of leftists to call for such things which started around 1968, if not before. Thus people who have no recollection of an America before the leftist media began clamoring for gun control that supposedly would bring an end to mass murder. Tina and others have been successfully brainwashed into thinking it is “natural”. Let’s have bomb control too. Oh yeah, we already have that just like we have gun control, but who’s calling for bomb control? Crazy people will always find a way to kill en masse, guns or no guns.

JimP on July 24, 2011 at 5:48 PM

Gun ownership in Norway is common, although strict gun regulations and limitations are in place on ammunition for certain kinds of guns.

California is just about to have extreme limits on ammunition in place.

The bastard looked for the gun free zone.

It wasn’t hard to find.

Tucson, 6 dead. Oslo, 85,

” A FREE PEOPLE OUGHT NOT ONLY TO BE ARMED AND DISCIPLINED, BUT THEY SHOULD ALSO HAVE SUFFICIENT ARMS AND AMMUNITION TO MAINTAIN
A STATUS OF INDEPENDENCE FROM ANY WHO MIGHT ATTEMPT TO ABUSE THEM …
WHICH WOULD INCLUDE THEIR OWN GOVERNMENT!”

GEORGE WASHINGTON

Speakup on July 24, 2011 at 5:57 PM

Norway, with a substantial rate of gun ownership, is normally noted for non-violence

Norway, in particular, Oslo, has a media that routinely doesn’t report crimes, violent or otherwise. Norway has a gang and a islamic problem as bad, if not worse, than the rest of Europe.

Unni Wikan, a professor of social anthropology at the University of Oslo, in 2001 said that “Norwegian women must take their share of responsibility for these rapes” because Muslim men found their manner of dress provocative.

Kini on July 24, 2011 at 5:58 PM

Gun ownership is popular in Norway – that is … if you like collecting WWI bolt action rifles. Because – that’s what’s being counted in all these surveys of Norwegian gun ownership.

Last time I was there I was told of an old government program to turn civilians into militia for the protection of Norway. The government actually handed out rifles and ammo. This may have been during the cold war (Norway shares a border with Russia and would have been one of the first taken by the Soviets).

Anyway – these old guns are still out there – and I don’t think the government even knows where all of them are.

But yeah – you won’t find any Norwegians carting around a “Judge” pistol or anything like that (legally).

HondaV65 on July 24, 2011 at 5:58 PM

Crazy people will always find a way to kill en masse, guns or no guns.

JimP on July 24, 2011 at 5:48 PM

Guns don’t kill, but crazy people do.

Kini on July 24, 2011 at 6:00 PM

But what ever you do…

… Don’t rush to judgement on Major Nidal Malik Hasan.

Oh, wait…!

Seven Percent Solution on July 24, 2011 at 6:04 PM

The fact that Norway has a low rate of violent crime may actually be the result of high gun ownership; that’s the case in the US where states have enacted more gun ownership-friendly laws and regulations.

I suspect that if the US shows a high level of gun crime -that is, guns used in the commission of a crime as opposed to illegal gun ownership- it is precisely because the vast majority of legal gun owners don’t commit crimes, and the number of illegal gun owners is probably not accurately represented in the statistics.

Norway, on the other hand, is maniacally leftist, and the reason those poor children and young adults were targeted is because it was a political youth camp- a Norwegian indoctrination into far left ideology. Given their sparse population and total reliance upon the government for sustenance, I’m not surprised their crime rates are relatively low, irrespective of gun ownership or regulations. Tightening up the laws won’t do much to change the view of those opposed to their form of government.

BKeyser on July 24, 2011 at 6:07 PM

Seven Percent Solution on July 24, 2011 at 6:04 PM

The quotient ratio of crazy white extremist to crazy islamic extremist: 1 to 1,000,000,000

Kini on July 24, 2011 at 6:08 PM

Does anyone know how many people were on the island when the shooting began?

Blake on July 24, 2011 at 6:11 PM

I’d like to hear more about these curious indoctrination youth camp run by a political party.

I’ve read they instill these kids with anti-Isreal / Jewish information.

I hope after the pain of the senseless killing subsides, we can hear more about these curious lefty camps.

rickyricardo on July 24, 2011 at 6:15 PM

What am I missing here?

The guy is supposed to be a Right wing nutjob with a gun that hated Islam?

mmmm, then why didn’t he attack a Mosque?

Orrrrrrrr, maybe the Embassy of Iran or Saudi Arabia?

If they only had Holder and Napolitano over there they would have this solved already. Aren’t they looking this kind of whitey over here to go all whacko?

Something sounds fishy here.

PappyD61 on July 24, 2011 at 6:16 PM

The quotient ratio of crazy white extremist to crazy islamic extremist: 1 to 1,000,000,000

Kini on July 24, 2011 at 6:08 PM

My point exactly…

…”Kill Whitey!”

/

Seven Percent Solution on July 24, 2011 at 6:18 PM

How many crazy rightwing nutjobs have Glamor pictures of themselves?

Smell test?

Kini on July 24, 2011 at 6:22 PM

Come on people…just what did you expect? To never see a revenge attack against the liberalism, leftism, socialism that permeates Europe and Scandinavia?

Did you think that with the failure of multiculturalism ( voiced by Merkel and other Euro leaders? ) that there would never be a time of backlash?

Horrifying as it is…we now have a score card of 3 Christian attacks against about 78,000 muslim attacks throughout the world.

Why is it that this loons actions are less sever than the mooslims killing of children, women and innocent civilians?

If you push the wrong buttons ( and in this case I think this guy did ) there has to be a line in the sand.

So don’t give me this kumbaya stuff…..people everywhere have had enough. This guys attack was against the libbie nonsense that has crippled and infested Europe.

I’m sure there’ll be more too. I don’t advocate it…but it’s human nature to fight back against their oppressors and in this case Norways suicidal march towards capitulation and surrender to muslim…right wing hordes.

Twana on July 24, 2011 at 6:26 PM

Breivik was a freemason (there ya go NEW WORLD ORDER etc.), said a spokesman for the organization. Freemasons meet in secretive fraternal groups in many parts of the world.

The suspected killer was also a member of the Oslo gun club and was fond of weightlifting (check Golds Gyms immediately). Police said Breivik carried a pistol and an automatic weapon during the attack, adding he had never before come to the attention of the police.

“He was rather introverted at school, even though he was a good student,” said Michael Tomola, who knew Breivik from the age of 13 to 16 at the school they went to in an Oslo suburb.

“I’m very surprised by this (attack). I had a good impression, although he became very engaged in subjects he cared for. He got very extreme about things he cared for,” Tomola told Reuters.

The Facebook page set up last week included a variety of interests such as hunting and political and stock analysis.

His tastes in music included classical and trance, a hypnotic form of dance music.

The profile veered between references to political philosophers and gory popular films, TV shows and video games.

I’m guessing if any of these “political philosphers” were Conservatives that Reuters would have mentioned them. Wonder if they could be Nazi or Anti-semitic types.

And what about this “camp” on the island? What was going on that would have been so offensive or made them a target for a mass murderer?

And somehow Palin or Bush or Halliburton must have been involved.

PappyD61 on July 24, 2011 at 6:27 PM

Norway, with a substantial rate of gun ownership, is normally noted for non-violence

Just shotguns, double barrel side by side or over and under and bolt action rifles with 5 shot capacity for hunting. The population in general is not allowed to own or possess semi-autos, full autos or multi-shot handguns (revolvers) although in this case, one guy nearby with a bolt action hunting rifle could have handled the situation with one shot.

gstrickler on July 24, 2011 at 6:32 PM

Oops, I pulled up the wrong country. However there still are many restrictions on firearms ownership and use. ….

gstrickler on July 24, 2011 at 6:43 PM

If someone has an ax to grind, grind it they will.

People kill people; guns are a means to an inevitable end.

Don’t blame the guns; blame the people.

If it weren’t a gun, it would be a kitchen knife, a baseball bat, or some other innocent object.

THINK.

hillbillyjim on July 24, 2011 at 6:43 PM

Just shotguns, double barrel side by side or over and under and bolt action rifles with 5 shot capacity for hunting. The population in general is not allowed to own or possess semi-autos, full autos or multi-shot handguns (revolvers) although in this case, one guy nearby with a bolt action hunting rifle could have handled the situation with one shot.

gstrickler on July 24, 2011 at 6:32 PM

Yep, that is correct. And probably 75% of these guns are WWII era Mauser rifles.

The statistic is misleading, Norway’s gun control is very strict compared to the United States; but better than the horrible gun laws in the UK and Germany.

One thing that has not been discussed much is the truly abmysmal handling of this massacre by the Police in Norway.
Over 1 1/2 hour before they could get forces on the island? Totally unacceptable. The island is less than 15 minutes by helicopter from Oslo.

Norwegian on July 24, 2011 at 6:44 PM

As I was told when I was just about as big as a bug:

“Use your head for something besides a hat rack, son.”

hillbillyjim on July 24, 2011 at 6:47 PM

Here’s the guy’s video.

http://www.twitvid.com/EXJWW

bridgetown on July 24, 2011 at 6:51 PM

From an independent writer in Oslo, the police are not armed as in GB. It was commented that there was a plainclothes police officer on the island, but chances he was also not armed and died early in the incident. When I was in Norway, 4 years ago, I don’t remember ever seeing police officers much less armed officers in the government area or anywhere else.

The situation with the Muslim immigrants is bad, for example, last year all reported rapes were by Muslims. Street attacks by Muslims is not uncommon and they call the police first and report they were attacked. There have been serious demonstrations by Muslims in the recent past. See this article: http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/a-double-tragedy-for-norway/.

The murderer may have seen his world deteriorating; most people don’t react very well to great amounts of change although mass murder is not the usual response.

amr on July 24, 2011 at 6:53 PM

When you watch that video and realize how deeply this man was into what he believed….no gun laws were ever going to stop this man.
People like this don’t follow laws.

bridgetown on July 24, 2011 at 6:56 PM

Gun ownership is not THAT common. And even if you do have one, it’s largely useless unless you are at a shooting range.

tx2654 on July 24, 2011 at 6:58 PM

amr on July 24, 2011 at 6:53 PM

Thanks for the info.

This is reason for governments, namely our own, to define the threat in real terms..NOT with that silly hate whitey video they just put out there recently.

bridgetown on July 24, 2011 at 6:58 PM

I’m guessing if any of these “political philosphers” were Conservatives that Reuters would have mentioned them. Wonder if they could be Nazi or Anti-semitic types.

He posted references to Shakespeare, John Locke, Immanuel Kant and John Stuart Mill.

aengus on July 24, 2011 at 7:20 PM

Norwegian on July 24, 2011 at 6:44 PM

Do you know how many people were on the island?

Blake on July 24, 2011 at 7:23 PM

“If it weren’t a gun, it would be a kitchen knife, a baseball bat, or some other innocent object.THINK.
hillbillyjim on July 24, 2011 at 6:43 PM”

Now see. This is the kind of seditious talk I would expect here at HA. “THINK”? Think, indeed. How dare you, James, call on the sheep to think. Only the pigs are allowed to think. Knives and baseball bats are on the list too,I’m sure, because when all the guns are gone people will be too afraid of knives and bats to take action against a perp also. They’ll cower in fear, as in Norway’s New Fascist Youth Camp (or whatever leftist brainwashing was going on), rather than take action against a maniac with a “weapon”.

JimP on July 24, 2011 at 7:26 PM

Conservatism had nothing to do with the Norway terrorist attacks. Neither did Christianity, video games, freemasonry, or Norwegian dance music.

There’s a passage in Breivik’s “manifesto” where he describes his preparation for the attack. He talks about what he’ll have playing on his iPod. Refers to a possible additional attack as a “bonus mission” he might complete if he escaped the island. Prattles on a bit about he’s going to conquer his fear (a lone gunman on an island full of unarmed children; he must have been terrified). He writes about it the same way someone might write in their diary about going hang-gliding for the first time. It’s all just an adrenaline rush for him.

There are good reasons to be leery of the increasingly radical nationalist, so-called “anti-jihadist” movement in Europe, but Breivik’s ideology seems incidental to his true motivation. More than anything, I think he did it for fun. He’s more in the mold of the “I don’t like Mondays” shooter Brenda Ann Spencer than any kind of political terrorist.

RightOFLeft on July 24, 2011 at 7:45 PM

On some level, perhaps the wisest course is to remain a while longer in the spell of shock and grief that evil casts, allow ourselves to feel the full extent of its horror — precisely so we will realize that no carefully crafted words, no perfectly strategized policy will ever eliminate it entirely. Perhaps in that realization we will then awaken to a new realization — that evil will only fully and finally be overcome by something greater than ourselves.

Very well said, Tina.

Mirimichi on July 24, 2011 at 7:53 PM

JimP on July 24, 2011 at 7:26 PM

Well said, James.

hillbillyjim on July 24, 2011 at 7:57 PM

I understand Breivik was liked to this.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/60739170/2083-a-European-Declaration-of-Independence

Speakup on July 24, 2011 at 7:59 PM

liked=linked

Speakup on July 24, 2011 at 8:05 PM

I’m pretty sure sending that maggot to the hell he deserves would help me get over this evil.

Aquateen Hungerforce on July 24, 2011 at 8:08 PM

RightOFLeft on July 24, 2011 at 7:45 PM

Have you watched his video? http://www.twitvid.com/EXJWW

bridgetown on July 24, 2011 at 8:08 PM

RightOFLeft on July 24, 2011 at 7:45 PM

Norwegians Dance?

Kini on July 24, 2011 at 8:12 PM

The problem with Norway is its bleeding heart liberal socialist government that is doing nothing about their Pakistani immigration problem. Crime is up and you can hardly walk down Karl Johansgaten without being panhandled anymore.

Jocundus on July 24, 2011 at 8:22 PM

Norwegians Dance?

Kini on July 24, 2011 at 8:12 PM

Did some research (searched youtube for “Norway” and “David Hasselhoff”) and…

yep.

RightOFLeft on July 24, 2011 at 8:26 PM

Blake, I think I saw that there was somewhere between 5 and 6 hundred on the Island. They had just finished an information session and rally for the Palestinians suffering under the Zionist genociders in Israel.

BL@KBIRD on July 24, 2011 at 8:58 PM

Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (R-Ariz.)

should be

Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D-Ariz.)

F15Mech on July 24, 2011 at 9:03 PM

Here’s the guy’s video.

http://www.twitvid.com/EXJWW

bridgetown on July 24, 2011 at 6:51 PM

Watched it. I am now beginning to think that Breivik had just got fed up with all of the liberalism/socialism/markism/muslims in Europe and Norway and went off the deep end.

Mirimichi on July 24, 2011 at 9:04 PM

Mirimichi on July 24, 2011 at 9:04 PM

I’m glad somebody watched it. This stuff is scary to me.
I know that we can all “understand” his feelings, but this is not just one man. This is believed and followed, I think, by many around the globe….coupled with the ‘other side’…freakin’ Islam….
Very Scary to me….this is nowhere near over. Things like this or things like 9-11 will not stop anytime soon, I fear.

bridgetown on July 24, 2011 at 9:11 PM

Watched it. I am now beginning to think that Breivik had just got fed up with all of the liberalism/socialism/markism/muslims in Europe and Norway and went off the deep end.

Mirimichi on July 24, 2011 at 9:04 PM

I was examining my feelings about this and it occurred to me that if a subject in Cuba attacked Castro’s nerve center and opened fire with a machine gun at one of Castro’s subjugator training camps, I would tip my hat to him.

I’m not sure why I don’t have the same feeling about this incident. Perhaps it’s because I don’t see Norway’s Marxists as being as evil as Cuba’s, but then I don’t have to live under them so it might be kind of an arrogant presumption on my part. Maybe it’s because they are white like me, but then again I’d certainly applaud a subject who opened fire at a subjugator training camp in Hitler’s Germany or the USSR.

Oh well, I’ll keep trying to sort these feeling out.

Buddahpundit on July 24, 2011 at 9:17 PM

I am very sad this happened. My heart grieves for their families and this nation. My heart also grieves for the survivors of this attack on the island. This horror will never be forgotten.

karenhasfreedom on July 24, 2011 at 9:29 PM

But what ever you do…

… Don’t rush to judgement on Major Nidal Malik Hasan.

Oh, wait…!

Seven Percent Solution on July 24, 2011 at 6:04 PM

Yet a blond, blue-eyed caucasian is labeled a Christian fundamentalist within hours of the shooting (although it sounds like he was more of an agnostic, based on what he’s saying now). Amazing.

mbs on July 24, 2011 at 9:35 PM

Buddahpundit on July 24, 2011 at 9:17 PM

If I may offer my 2 cents…the Castro clan is a snake that can be killed by cutting off the head. By comparison, the Islamonazi threat is a thousand-headed hydra that nuclear weapons would be hard pressed to defeat.

Uncle Sams Nephew on July 24, 2011 at 9:36 PM

Things were good until islam showed up. That is how islam is playing out in civilization. Get islam out of civilization and back to desert tents end up like Norway.

frizzbee on July 24, 2011 at 10:30 PM

Do you know how many people were on the island?

Blake on July 24, 2011 at 7:23 PM

I think it was roughly 500 people.

Some interesting stuff in the Norwegian news; apperantly he met with 9 other members of thie “Knights Templar” group in London in 2002. He has suggested in police interrogation that similar attacks have been planned in several countries in Europe, but refused to give any names or details.

Norwegian on July 24, 2011 at 11:44 PM

Stole material from Unabomber: Oslo Killer Plagiarized Unabomber’s Manifesto

slickwillie2001 on July 24, 2011 at 11:51 PM

You don’t fight Terrorism with Terrorism.

That’s insanity, - because you become identical to what you purport to oppose.

As the saying goes: “Be careful when you battle with monsters that you do not become a monster; and remember- if you gaze into the the Abyss, the Abyss also gazes into you.”

profitsbeard on July 24, 2011 at 11:59 PM

Interestingly, however, gun ownership is relatively common in Norway, the Los Angeles Times reports.

Not common enough on one island.

Ronnie on July 25, 2011 at 12:28 AM

slickwillie2001 on July 24, 2011 at 11:51 PM

Yeah, I just read a FR thread on that. Isn’t it odd that a “conservative Christian racist-capitalist would be a Ted Kaczynski fanboi?

Lots of interesting, perhaps tin-foil hat stuff at the FR thread:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2753128/posts

LegendHasIt on July 25, 2011 at 12:36 AM

profitsbeard on July 24, 2011 at 11:59 PM

Dude. You are the man.

hillbillyjim on July 25, 2011 at 1:06 AM

Pamela Geller asks: Who changed the killer’s Facebook page?”

Sheesh, I’m not a conspiracy theorist by any means but there’s so much that just doesn’t ring right about all this. Why no FB page until the 17th? A typical nutjob broadcasts far and wide as much as he can for as long as he can.

I’ve really got to say though that I believe this event will go down as the fuse being lit for a European Civil War. I always imaged it would be Islam vs The Rest, though. I’d not allowed for an uprising against their own governments.

– Nick

The Thin Man Returns on July 25, 2011 at 2:20 AM

On some level, perhaps the wisest course is to remain a while longer in the spell of shock and grief that evil casts, allow ourselves to feel the full extent of its horror — precisely so we will realize that no carefully crafted words, no perfectly strategized policy will ever eliminate it entirely. Perhaps in that realization we will then awaken to a new realization — that evil will only fully and finally be overcome by something greater than ourselves.

Wow. You wrote this?

Jaibones on July 25, 2011 at 6:32 AM

The gun ownership stats here are a bit misleading.

In 2010 there were 1.2 million registered weapons, amongst about 500,000 owners. That is, there’s about 10% of the population that own guns, which is about 1/3 of the figure cited for firearms per 100 people.

In the US, gun ownership is at aroudn 35%, 3.5 times that of Norway.

Seixon on July 25, 2011 at 7:46 AM

How many crazy rightwing nutjobs have Glamor pictures of themselves?

Kini on July 24, 2011 at 6:22 PM

Wait a minute…you guys don’t? Well, Glamour Shots was running a birthday special, and I was at the mall anyway, and I’d just bought that new shirt….

Do I have to get rid of my picture??

TugboatPhil on July 25, 2011 at 8:05 AM

This kook is a right wing Christain fundamentalist because the narrative needs it to be that way.
Geraldo had a picture of this guy up next to Timothy McVeigh. I know no one watches Geraldo, but did anyone catch that? For once a screen shot of Geraldo that was important.
This guy will be m made famous as the poster child for right wing Christian fanatics. And like Timothy McVeigh it will stay that way if they can pull it off. I hope Europe is not like this country and some one is successful in not only getting out the truth but also the unknowns. The FB page might be a good start.

ORconservative on July 25, 2011 at 9:34 AM

Crazy Evil people will always find a way to kill en masse, guns or no guns.

JimP on July 24, 2011 at 5:48 PM

Guns don’t kill, but crazy evil people do.

Kini on July 24, 2011 at 6:00 PM

Slowburn on July 25, 2011 at 7:33 PM

Eh *shrugs* just blame computer games, right?

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..right?

Reaps on July 26, 2011 at 3:48 AM