Breaking: Senate shoots down CCB, 51-46; Update: DeMint vows to force new CCB vote

posted at 11:10 am on July 22, 2011 by Ed Morrissey

When Harry Reid scheduled a rare motion-to-table vote for this morning rather than waiting for the cloture vote tomorrow, one had to presume that he had the votes to kill the Cut, Cap, and Balance Act.  He did — but but it was close.  From the Boss Emeritus:

Update: 10:57am Eastern…The Senate just voted down the House Cut Cap and Balance bill, 51-46. Reid danced on its grave, proclaiming it “over, dead, and done.” Back to the Democrat plan:

Nothing!

Speaking of which, remember when Reid insisted on Wednesday that it was just terrible for the House to take the weekend off in the middle of the crisis, just in case the Senate needed them to act on a proposal from the upper chamber?  Now, apparently, it’s Miller Time, according to Politico’s Manu Raju:

Senators catching flights home now – weekend votes ain’t gonna happen, we’re told

The House has at least proposed two different plans to deal with the debt crisis.  The Senate has yet to come up with any plan.  Neither has the White House, despite the hysteria over the August 2nd deadline.  So why are Senators streaming out of Washington DC, Senator Reid?  And doesn’t that make this earlier whining a little more hypocritical?

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) confronted White House budget director Jack Lew during a Thursday afternoon meeting about secret talks on a deficit-reduction deal between the president and Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio).

“I’m the Senate majority leader — why don’t I know about this deal?” Reid demanded as soon as the budget director walked into the historic Mansfield Room for a meeting with Senate Democrats, according to a lawmaker who witnessed the exchange.

Maybe if the Senate Majority Leader spent some time leading, he might be important enough to include.

Update: Actually, Reid could have filibustered it had he chosen to do so.  I’ve fixed the first paragraph.

Update II: Straight party-line vote.  It will be interesting to see how Ben Nelson and Claire McCaskill defend their decision to deny a balanced-budget amendment vote when it comes time to run for re-election next year.

Update III: Senator Jim DeMint pledged in a statement to force another vote on CCB:

“The bipartisan House-passed Cut, Cap, Balance bill remains the only plan on the table, the only one that preserves our AAA rating, and is only four Democrat votes away from a Senate majority to end this debt crisis,” said Senator DeMint. “I will work to force another vote on Cut, Cap & Balance next week because the President and Democrats have not offered the American people any other viable solution.

“It is outrageous that every Senate Democrat voted against even allowing a debate on balancing the budget within 10 years, a plan supported by two-thirds of Americans with wide support across all party lines. Why are Senate Democrats so afraid to debate a balanced budget? Cut, Cap, Balance is the compromise plan that passed the House and can end the wasteful spending that caused this debt crisis. It gives the President the debt limit increase he has asked for in return for immediate spending cuts, enforceable spending caps, and a constitutional amendment to force Washington to stop spending more than it brings in.

“The President and Democrats have been beyond reckless in this debate, refusing to offer any serious solution to our fiscal crisis. The only plan the President has offered would increase our debt by $10 trillion and push our nation into bankruptcy.

“I urge Republican leaders to stop letting the President to drag you back like children into secret meetings where he pretends to do something constructive. The President created this crisis by irresponsible spending and borrowing that has left our economy in shambles, and if he’s unwilling to simply agree to balance the budget in 10 years then he is not a credible negotiating partner.

“No more closed door meetings, no more phony compromises that don’t solve the problem, no more useless commissions. We have a balanced approach supported by a bipartisan House majority that ends our debt crisis if just four Senate Democrats would keep their promise and support a balanced budget.

“We must pass Cut, Cap & Balance to keep our nation from falling off a fiscal cliff.”

The bill has not been entirely killed.  The House does not have to re-send the CCB in order for the Senate to reconsider it after it has been tabled.  If DeMint can get enough votes, he can force Reid to bring it back to the floor from the table.

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And I read the comments over at CNN and the like and everyone blames the republicans….and they believe it.
I’m so confused.
How are people so freakin’ stupid?

A lot of that is the Republican’s fault the media frames the debate about “compromise” and how Republicans should resign if they put the country into a bad position… Instead of answering that question with a yes or no they need to fight back…”why aren’t you asking the same question of democrats?”. Or “I’ll resign if Barack Obama resigns as well for his intransigence.”. People don’t mind honesty… Why won’t you compromise… Because raising taxes is non-negotiable. I was elected on a promise to my constituents to not raise taxes it is more important to keep my promise to my constituents than my standing in the minds of talking heads in New York.

Compromise needs to be consistently reframed We’ve offered 6 different ways to get to a debt limit increase. That’s compromise. What the democrats want is to turn me into a liar. It’s not going to happen…and if the President didn’t want to deal with 218 members of the House who have signed no new tax pledges maybe he should have governed differently between 2009-2010. But that ship has sailed.

Gov98 on July 22, 2011 at 11:43 AM

I’m so angry right now

It’ll be blame the gop all weekend long

cmsinaz on July 22, 2011 at 11:43 AM

The AP is reporting that Boehner has said “no deal”

WASHINGTON (AP) — Speaker John Boehner declared Friday that the House has “done its job” toward resolving the impasse over raising the government’s debt limit and said it was time for the Senate to act.

“There is no deal. There is no agreement in private” with Democrats, Boehner told reporters at the Capitol as the Senate was voting on a bill pushed through the House by majority Republicans which is called “cap, cut and balance”

dogsoldier on July 22, 2011 at 11:43 AM

Back to the Democrat plan:

Nothing!

As usual the Boss says all there really is to say.

gwelf on July 22, 2011 at 11:44 AM

WTG Senator DeMint! LOve that guy

clnurnberg on July 22, 2011 at 11:45 AM

If this defaults on August 2 then it will mess up Obambi’s birthday bash two days later. If you think Obambi is a spoiled brat now,wait until this happens to mess that up.The tantrum will be amazing.

volsense on July 22, 2011 at 11:45 AM

Why do GOP reps keep talking about simple majorities needed to pass CCB? The amendment portion needs 2/3 vote in both houses. Simple majorities don’t cut it.

WashJeff on July 22, 2011 at 11:36 AM

20 Dem Senators are on record as being in favor of a balanced budget amendment. 47 Rs plus 20 Ds equals 67. CCB only requires that 2/3rds of both houses send it to the states. They can get there if they pass CCB by a majority. However if they are prevented from actually voting on CCB then they will never have to go on the record as voting against a BBA (which is what they would have to do to please the Dem party). It protects vulnerable Dems from being on the record.

txmomof6 on July 22, 2011 at 11:45 AM

But once again, where’s the leadership here?

CC&B was put together by Cantor, Ryan, and others, and Boehner only got behind it AFTER he tried to sell us out by agreeing to huge tax increases and got caught doing so.

While I like DeMint’s sentiments, where’s our Senate leader? McConnell’s only contribution to this mess has been his “Stop, Duck & Cover” bill to let Obama unilaterally increase the debt ceiling.

The GOP has the ability to convincingly win on this issue, but the lack of leadership and a cohesive message is letting Obama and the Democrats outmaneuver us.

Outlander on July 22, 2011 at 11:46 AM

..I know it did not matter, but where the hell was McCain on this that he could not cast a vote?

The War Planner on July 22, 2011 at 11:46 AM

“What does the Senate have against the economy?”

The dems care not about the people, the States, or the country. All they care about is power, control, the Democrat party, and their re-election! They don’t care about the economy because they are never held accountable for their actions. Pretty much the same goes for the GOP, hence the success of the Tea Party!

GFW on July 22, 2011 at 11:47 AM

I contacted a couple of Democrats yesterday, the public needs to poor it on.

Cindy Munford on July 22, 2011 at 11:48 AM

Maybe, just maybe, those senators heading home this weeked will get an earful from their constituents about why it is time to grow up and be fiscally responsible. Cut, cap, and balance. Respect the wishes of the American people and stop playing partisan politics.

onlineanalyst on July 22, 2011 at 11:48 AM

Already sent emails to my 2 Dem senators here in Mich. Will be hopping on the phone later today as well.

miConsevative on July 22, 2011 at 11:48 AM

“The President created this crisis by irresponsible spending and borrowing that has left our economy in shambles…”

THAT’s the message that Republicans need to take to the public. It’s Obama’s spending that has created this crisis… and he has offered NO PLAN to solve it.

His oft-repeated complaint that he “inherited” a bad economy doesn’t hold water when one considers that nobody was talking about downgrading the U.S.’s triple-A rating or replacing the dollar as back-up currency until he went on his spending spree.

Murf76 on July 22, 2011 at 11:49 AM

Mccain……grrrrrr

cmsinaz on July 22, 2011 at 11:49 AM

If you don’t have enough ammo, better get out there and get some.

Mirimichi on July 22, 2011 at 11:49 AM

If this defaults on August 2 then it will mess up Obambi’s birthday bash two days later. If you think Obambi is a spoiled brat now, wait until this happens to mess that up. The tantrum will be amazing.

volsense on July 22, 2011 at 11:45 AM

It’ll also mess up his presidential record — no, really. History will record him being the only POTUS to ever have allowed the U.S. to default. Some say that stigma will taint him..

..awwww, who are we kidding? For him, that’d be like a pile of turd in an ocean of diarrhea.

The War Planner on July 22, 2011 at 11:51 AM

And we should also abolish the Fed, which enabled this massive debt to be piled up by artificially lowering interest rates for many years.

Today it’s revealed that the Federal Reserve lent $16 trillion to bail out American and foreign banks:

The first top-to-bottom audit of the Federal Reserve uncovered eye-popping new details about how the U.S. provided a whopping $16 trillion in secret loans to bail out American and foreign banks and businesses during the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression. An amendment by Sen. Bernie Sanders to the Wall Street reform law passed one year ago this week directed the Government Accountability Office to conduct the study. “As a result of this audit, we now know that the Federal Reserve provided more than $16 trillion in total financial assistance to some of the largest financial institutions and corporations in the United States and throughout the world,” said Sanders. “This is a clear case of socialism for the rich and rugged, you’re-on-your-own individualism for everyone else.”

Emperor Norton on July 22, 2011 at 11:51 AM

To all: Tell me, again, why taking the Senate at all costs was unimportant in 2010.

KingGold on July 22, 2011 at 11:22 AM

Because we would have just shifted power from BIG GOVT. DEMS to BIG GOVT. RINOs, who both don’t care much about reducing the size of government or implementing conservative policies? Both also think the Tea Party is the fringe of the fringe.

Now YOU tell me how McConnell/Reid’s plan to give Obama unchecked power to raise the debt limit minus any cuts at all is different from the Obama/Reid’s plan to raise the debt limit with an INCREASE in taxes to fund the agenda they passed in the last Congress.

Conservatives will work hard to deliver the White House, Senate and the House to the GOP and at the same time will clean out the RINOs perched at leadership positions who have demonstrated time and time again that they are no different from the DEMS.

TheRightMan on July 22, 2011 at 11:52 AM

The work right now is the WH and the Dem Senators getting enough D House members to sign onto some sort of plan that will increase taxes and allow some cuts to entitlements to pass the House AND enough R House members to say, “Default would be so bad that we need to compromise on the revenue raising” to get to the magic number of 218.

txmomof6 on July 22, 2011 at 11:52 AM

Those November Senate races now really matter. ALL elections now matter. Nice it would have get McCain, but voters are not that smart sometimes.

Oil Can on July 22, 2011 at 11:52 AM

It will be interesting to see how Ben Nelson and Claire McCaskill defend their decision to deny a balanced-budget amendment vote when it comes time to run for re-election next year.

And with their obamacare votes….hahahaha….the ads write themselves!

csdeven on July 22, 2011 at 11:52 AM

Bobby Casey is sooooo much toast next year. I just called his office and told them that.

rockmom on July 22, 2011 at 11:54 AM

History will record him being the only POTUS to ever have allowed the U.S. to default.

The US defaulted has two other times–in 1790 and in 1933. The presidents who presided over those messes were George Washington and Franklin Roosevelt.

Emperor Norton on July 22, 2011 at 11:54 AM

Un-freaking-believable.. I swear, if i ever met Dingy Harry in a dark alley…

bernzright777 on July 22, 2011 at 11:22 AM

And every pearl out of that zombie’s maw is a partisan attack against the opposition party with absolutely no substantial justification for destroying American fiscal solvency.

onlineanalyst on July 22, 2011 at 11:55 AM

I guess I don’t even have to ask how Chris Coons, Harry Reid, and Michael Bennet voted on this.

Maybe this is a sore subject, but once again I would really like to thank all those Christine O’Donnell, Sharron Angle, and Ken Buck supporters for screwing America. It’s ridiculous that Harry Reid is even in the Senate today, much less Majority Leader.

We did this to ourselves, in the name of “purging those RINOs.”

rockmom on July 22, 2011 at 11:57 AM

We need the House Republicans to be steadfast. I am tired of the polls supposedly showing that they will be blamed for a failure to raise the debt ceiling. I am still trying to get over Stuart Varney last night on BOR saying that the Tea Party house members must “compromise at any cost.”
Now is the time to fight. This is the hill to win. I don’t care if the markets plunge. My grandchildren’s future is at stake and is being put at risk by politicing a$$holes.

GaltBlvnAtty on July 22, 2011 at 11:57 AM

then they will never have to go on the record as voting against a BBA (which is what they would have to do to please the Dem party). It protects vulnerable Dems from being on the record.

txmomof6 on July 22, 2011 at 11:45 AM

You would hope that record and intentions of the Democrats would be clear to voters already. But alas, many are still willfully ignorant.

WashJeff on July 22, 2011 at 11:57 AM

csdeven on July 22, 2011 at 11:52 AM
I saw McCaskill on F&F this morning. She had no problem voting to table CCB. She said she is in favor of a BBA, just not this one. She also said that a vote to table was the equivalent of a vote on the merits. I think she will sing a different tune in the campaign, but I hope the people of Missouri ask her to “Show Me” the results.

txmomof6 on July 22, 2011 at 11:58 AM

Sorry, here is the link to the excerpt I quoted about the Fed at 11:51 AM.

Emperor Norton on July 22, 2011 at 11:58 AM

There are no core beliefs in the Democratic party, only politics.

If i had a nickel for every time the Dems voted the opposite as the did under GWB on the same exact issue….

Obama himself said certain things every day he was the Senate and now is vehemently against them as President, explain that liberals?

Im now sure how anyone paying attention could every be part of the Democratic party.

Oh, and Harry Reid is a disgusting piece of hypocritical human garage….thank you Nevada.

alecj on July 22, 2011 at 11:59 AM

rockmom on July 22, 2011 at 11:57 AM

I disagree. We have, thanks to the Tea Party, brought the issue into clear focus: Do we get back to a reasonable, limited, government, or do we turn into Greece. Having the issue joined now is better than having that issue kicked down the road.

GaltBlvnAtty on July 22, 2011 at 12:00 PM

..I know it did not matter, but where the hell was McCain on this that he could not cast a vote?

The War Planner on July 22, 2011 at 11:46 AM

He was ‘compromising.’

James on July 22, 2011 at 12:01 PM

Mccain……grrrrrr

cmsinaz on July 22, 2011 at 11:49 AM

I am guessing their might be a parlimentary reason for McCain not voting. McCain has many faults, but I would not put spending issues in his negatives column. He was on Medved’s show this week and was explicit in his support for a Balance Budget Amendment.

WashJeff on July 22, 2011 at 12:01 PM

Clearly this is fringe legislation if hardline conservatives like Olympia Snowe and Susan Collins support it. I hope they hang this around the neck of Manchin, Nelson, McCaskill, etc. next year.

Dudley Smith on July 22, 2011 at 12:02 PM

The problem reaches back decades. Ponzi-FDR’s house is collapsing. For years politicians of both parties slapped on coat after coat of paint and glue & hoped the roof didn’t fall in during their tenancy. The Tea Party people see this clearly, which is why they have to be rushed off-stage. Of course, the collapse will happen nonetheless.

dhimwit on July 22, 2011 at 12:02 PM

Krauthammer’s latest. Give the dems 5 months.

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/272463/half-trillion-plan-charles-krauthammer

gh on July 22, 2011 at 12:02 PM

You would hope that record and intentions of the Democrats would be clear to voters already. But alas, many are still willfully ignorant.

WashJeff on July 22, 2011 at 11:57 AM

They use too many weasel words and reporters do not hold them accountable. The only time I have ever seen anyone hold them accountable was in the August townhalls during the ObamaCare debate. If we do get a short term extension I think an August recess explosion of Tea Party sentiment is in order. Of course, they will probably not hold townhalls because they are running scared.

txmomof6 on July 22, 2011 at 12:04 PM

I can’t wait to hear the Democrat’s explain this to the American people on Aug 1st or 2nd. They’re up the creek and their only paddle is to convince the Republicans to sacrifice themselves instead. (And unfortunately they’re probably foolish enough to try.)

The Democrats Nero strategy should be their undoing.

FloatingRock on July 22, 2011 at 12:06 PM

So, 814 days since the last budget passed by the U.S. Senate and they have chosen to table the Cut, Cap, and Balance Act of 2011. They have not presented a plan to deal with the National Debt or deficit. And they are taking an undeserved break when the nation faces a crisis they created.

I can’t wait for the media spin as to how this is the Republican’s fault. Better yet, I can’t wait to see the faces of all the folks who are depending on some form of Government subsistence check which won’t be delivered Aug. 2.

The Dems own this fail. Lock, stock, and barrel!

jackal40 on July 22, 2011 at 12:06 PM

Good grief, poor = pour to normal people. Sorry.

Cindy Munford on July 22, 2011 at 12:08 PM

“No more closed door meetings, no more phony compromises that don’t solve the problem, no more useless commissions.

And now the cycle is complete. Back to status quo.

“Its too hard to solve problems, so lets just keep it same-o same-o”.

BobMbx on July 22, 2011 at 12:08 PM

Dear Senator McCaskill: Today you voted against H 2560, the Cap, Cut and Balance Act. It is the only bill that addresses raising the debt ceiling and the out of control spending of the federal government. There is no other bill and will be no other such bill to vote on prior to the August 2 deadline announced by the Secretary of the Treasury. You posture as a fiscal conservative to the citizens of the State of Missouri but you vote like a typical out-of-control tax and spend liberal. You are no more fiscally conservative than your caucus colleague socialist Senator Sanders. Your Democrat controlled Senate has failed to pass a single budget for more than 800 days. That’s one the primary jobs you have been elected to do and I see no sense of urgency on your part in the way you vote. Passing a budget is one of your most important jobs. What good are you if you can’t even pass a budget in more than two years as a member of the majority in the Senate? Now you vote against the only real bill available to address the debt ceiling and the national debt crisis. If you are not going to execute one of the most basic aspects of your duties as a Senator, Missourians can no longer afford to have you representing us in the U.S. Senate. You either need to do your job or quit so that someone competent can take your place.

stefano1 on July 22, 2011 at 12:09 PM

KingGold on July 22, 2011 at 11:22 AM

You might have an argument if any of these folks were actually cutting spending instead of just reducing the rate of growth. At best it is still smoke and mirrors, no real savings.

Cindy Munford on July 22, 2011 at 12:11 PM

I guess I don’t even have to ask how Chris Coons, Harry Reid, and Michael Bennet voted on this.

Maybe this is a sore subject, but once again I would really like to thank all those Christine O’Donnell, Sharron Angle, and Ken Buck supporters for screwing America. It’s ridiculous that Harry Reid is even in the Senate today, much less Majority Leader.

We did this to ourselves, in the name of “purging those RINOs.”

rockmom on July 22, 2011 at 11:57 AM

Here’s an alternate counterfactual for you:

Without the support and hard work of Tea Party conservatives who wanted to “purge RINOs,” we wouldn’t have had a large enough House majority to pass CCB in the first place, and other GOP Senators might have lost or never gained their seats in 2010.

However, even given your hypothetical of 3 more GOP votes and assuming everything else being equal, you still don’t know how the moderate v. conservative battle in the Senate GOP would have played out. McCain didn’t even vote.

Missy on July 22, 2011 at 12:11 PM

Washjeff, so why not stand firm and vote aye?

Infuriating

cmsinaz on July 22, 2011 at 12:13 PM

It is absolutely inconceivable that ObaMao can continue to lie and spin his way regarding this debt-ceiling “crisis,” another one to exploit.

I just heard a snippet of O’s speech in Maryland in the radio news at the top of the hour. What really grinds me is that Fox is the source of these sycophantic soundbites.

OLiar claimed that the debt grew because of our wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. He fails to mention his bleeding of our monetary resources in the Libyan adventure. He also fails to take credit for the explosion of debt caused by his signature programs: Stimulus, TARP II, and ObaMaoCare.

onlineanalyst on July 22, 2011 at 12:14 PM

Anyway that the Republicans can get the message out that it is Obama who will decide who gets paid in August.

The president has a choice and he chooses not to pay social security, or at least not guarantee paying social security.

Fallon on July 22, 2011 at 12:15 PM

Fox News pretty much just pointed out how Boehner is going to “rig” this debt ceiling increase to get the Tea Party off his back …

He’s gonna do it by announcing a “BIG NUMBER” for cuts … like $3 Trillion over 10 years.

Of course – that’s the pap … the reality is – most of the cuts will come from winding down the wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Libya …

Which are not true savings or cuts at all.

This will be the path of the newest Republican betrayal.

HondaV65 on July 22, 2011 at 12:15 PM

The lsm is helping the dems natch

The gop HAS to come back to table and compromise

Nevermind we have not seen plan1 from the dems

Funny, they are only talking to dem reps who continue to spew the WH talking points

cmsinaz on July 22, 2011 at 12:15 PM

Maybe this is a sore subject, but once again I would really like to thank all those Christine O’Donnell, Sharron Angle, and Ken Buck supporters for screwing America. It’s ridiculous that Harry Reid is even in the Senate today, much less Majority Leader.

We did this to ourselves, in the name of “purging those RINOs.”

rockmom on July 22, 2011 at 11:57 AM

LOL – you think Castle would have voted for CCB? You’re freakin’ delusional just like your hero’s McConnell and Boehner.

Here’s news for you rockmom – this ain’t the party of the establishment for very much longer.

HondaV65 on July 22, 2011 at 12:16 PM

We did this to ourselves, in the name of “purging those RINOs.”

rockmom on July 22, 2011 at 11:57 AM

Baloney. They may not have voted at all ala McCain.

Fallon on July 22, 2011 at 12:17 PM

For all of my fellow Virginians, here’s the contact info for our 2 (D) Senators who voted no.

Give ‘em hell.

Warner, Mark R. – (D – VA)
459A RUSSELL SENATE OFFICE BUILDING WASHINGTON DC 20510
(202) 224-2023

Webb, Jim – (D – VA)
248 RUSSELL SENATE OFFICE BUILDING WASHINGTON DC 20510
(202) 224-4024

BacaDog on July 22, 2011 at 12:17 PM

Jackel, the lsm is spinning away right now, the ball is on the gop court as fatr as they are concern…..

cmsinaz on July 22, 2011 at 12:18 PM

Why is Reid afraid to have a debate on CCB in the Senate?

There is your ad, GOP.

onlineanalyst on July 22, 2011 at 12:18 PM

Washjeff, so why not stand firm and vote aye?

Infuriating

cmsinaz on July 22, 2011 at 12:13 PM

It could be a parliamentary move. Sometimes senators vote against their own bill so they can bring up the bill again.I do not know if that is what is going on here, but it’s possible.

If the bill was one vote away from passing and McCain was the only one who did not vote yet, I’m 99% confident he would vote Aye.

WashJeff on July 22, 2011 at 12:19 PM

We did this to ourselves, in the name of “purging those RINOs.”

rockmom on July 22, 2011 at 11:57 AM

We haven’t even begun to purge Rino’s there sister. You ain’t seen nothing yet. 2012 won’t be about Obama – it’ll be about Rino huntin’.

HondaV65 on July 22, 2011 at 12:19 PM

The gop HAS to come back to table and compromise
cmsinaz on July 22, 2011 at 12:15 PM

They already did sport.

dogsoldier on July 22, 2011 at 12:20 PM

Thank you Nevada! Aren’t you proud of your senator?

GarandFan on July 22, 2011 at 12:20 PM

I guess I don’t even have to ask how Chris Coons, Harry Reid, and Michael Bennet voted on this.

Maybe this is a sore subject, but once again I would really like to thank all those Christine O’Donnell, Sharron Angle, and Ken Buck supporters for screwing America. It’s ridiculous that Harry Reid is even in the Senate today, much less Majority Leader.

We did this to ourselves, in the name of “purging those RINOs.”

rockmom on July 22, 2011 at 11:57 AM

Without the support and hard work of Tea Party conservatives who wanted to “purge RINOs,” we wouldn’t have had a large enough House majority to pass CCB in the first place, and other GOP Senators might have lost or never gained their seats in 2010.

However, even given your hypothetical of 3 more GOP votes and assuming everything else being equal, you still don’t know how the moderate v. conservative battle in the Senate GOP would have played out. McCain didn’t even vote.

Missy on July 22, 2011 at 12:11 PM

Excellent points Missy. I totally agree.

KickandSwimMom on July 22, 2011 at 12:21 PM

The gop HAS to come back to table and compromise
cmsinaz on July 22, 2011 at 12:15 PM

The GOP passed a plan. They don’t need to come back to the table until there is a Democratic plan on it.

Then we can go line-by-line and MAYBE look at a few compromises.

HondaV65 on July 22, 2011 at 12:22 PM

However, even given your hypothetical of 3 more GOP votes and assuming everything else being equal, you still don’t know how the moderate v. conservative battle in the Senate GOP would have played out. McCain didn’t even vote.

Missy on July 22, 2011 at 12:11 PM

Spot on … only reason Brown, Snowe and Collins voted with us this time is they knew it would LOSE.

Had this vote been really close and hinged on those RINO votes – they’d have voted with the Democrats.

rockmom has her head in the sand.

HondaV65 on July 22, 2011 at 12:24 PM

I guess I don’t even have to ask how Chris Coons, Harry Reid, and Michael Bennet voted on this.

Maybe this is a sore subject, but once again I would really like to thank all those Christine O’Donnell, Sharron Angle, and Ken Buck supporters for screwing America. It’s ridiculous that Harry Reid is even in the Senate today, much less Majority Leader.

We did this to ourselves, in the name of “purging those RINOs.”

rockmom on July 22, 2011 at 11:57 AM

It SURE is a SORE SUBJECT!! See my answer (@ 11:52 am) to KingGold’s question, which is pretty similar to yours.

What you and KingGold fail to realize is that: we are having this debate about the debt limit thanks to the Tea Party, who won the GOP the House majority and netted some Senate seats with stellar candidates (Rubio, Lee, Johnson, etc.) despite the losses of the few (O’Donnell, Angle, etc.) that you always cite with derision.

Minus the Tea Party, a GOP majority House and Senate led by Boehner and McConnell would have folded to Obama a long time ago because they have to show they can govern and be bipartisan (/sarc) in order to win accolades from a leftist press.

So drop the O’Donnell and Angle crap and pray that your beloved RINOs will still be holding their jobs (I doubt it) when we continue the clean-up in 2012 and beyond.

TheRightMan on July 22, 2011 at 12:26 PM

Its increasingly likely we are going to miss the deadline. The Dems really have no plan at all and they would rather default then cut spending.

rob verdi on July 22, 2011 at 12:26 PM

So drop the O’Donnell and Angle crap and pray that your beloved RINOs will still be holding their jobs (I doubt it) when we continue the clean-up in 2012 and beyond.

TheRightMan on July 22, 2011 at 12:26 PM

Rockmom is no supporter of RINOs.

gophergirl on July 22, 2011 at 12:29 PM

Spot on … only reason Brown, Snowe and Collins voted with us this time is they knew it would LOSE.

Had this vote been really close and hinged on those RINO votes – they’d have voted with the Democrats.

rockmom has her head in the sand.

HondaV65 on July 22, 2011 at 12:24 PM

Boy, you are so right about that. We, the people, make the mistake of assuming that our representatives want what we want. They don’t. The agenda for far too many is to consolidate and retain their power in perpetuity, and they will do whatever it takes to achieve that end.

KickandSwimMom on July 22, 2011 at 12:32 PM

Dogsoldier, just quoting the lsm talkig points..its all the gop fault according to them

Gotcha washjeff

cmsinaz on July 22, 2011 at 12:32 PM

What’s the source for DeMint’s statement in Update III? I’d like to read more.

ButterflyDragon on July 22, 2011 at 12:33 PM

I’m just letting you know what the lsm is spewing….

cmsinaz on July 22, 2011 at 12:34 PM

cmsinaz on July 22, 2011 at 12:32 PM

Sincere apologies for misunderstanding.

dogsoldier on July 22, 2011 at 12:34 PM

No additional Republican compromise!
Negotiations to date summary from the Tea Party point of view:
Tea Party: We will not vote to raise the debt ceiling.
Everyone else: You must raise the debt ceiling.
Tea Party: We will raise the debt ceiling with offsetting real spending cuts.
Everyone else: We will toss in some future spending cuts along with current tax increase.
Tea Party: We’ll increase the debt ceiling plus some spending cuts.
Democrats: No.
Now is the time to fight.
Tea Party Republican members of congress need to use today and this weekend to get the messsage out. We need lots of Rubio and Demint appearances.

GaltBlvnAtty on July 22, 2011 at 12:35 PM

No worries, using the Android this am
:)

cmsinaz on July 22, 2011 at 12:38 PM

Only the Republicans have taken positive actions to reduce the deficit and spending. Harry Reid’s listless gaggle is just wandering around in circles looking for a scapegoat and a means of increasing spending and borrowing.

rplat on July 22, 2011 at 12:39 PM

Emperor Norton on July 22, 2011 at 11:58 AM

Thanks for the fed link. I saw rumours of this a few weeks or months ago but not $16T worth.

gh on July 22, 2011 at 12:40 PM

The problem was Sue Lowden imploded. If she didn’t, my guess is that she would’ve beaten Angle. Buck only narrowly won, but DE was a tragedy. Goes to show that the tea party does make a mistake now and again.

IR-MN on July 22, 2011 at 12:41 PM

““It is outrageous that every Senate Democrat voted against even allowing a debate on balancing the budget within 10 years, a plan supported by two-thirds of Americans with wide support across all party lines. Why are Senate Democrats so afraid to debate a balanced budget?” Jim Demint

10 YEARS ??!! they can’t balance the budget any quicker than 10 years? Heck they sure were able to increase the deficit and debt by several Trillion in just 21/2 years. But BALANCE, oh man , we need 10 for that. These guys are all FOS.

cdor on July 22, 2011 at 12:41 PM

Dear Senator Blunt: Thank you for voting today in favor of the House Cut, Cap, and Balance Act. It is the only bill available that addresses the debt ceiling and the national debt crisis.

Please do not support the secret behind closed doors negotiations by Gangs of Six or Gangs of Seven. Is this the way that the rules of the Senate are established? Secret meetings outside of the committee structure of the Senate and without the opportunity for representatives of all of the states, including of course Missouri, do not seem to me to be in harmony with democratic principles. I urge you to block any offered legislation that is presented at the last minute and has not been considered properly by committee and long debate. I can support a short term fix that includes a small increase in the debt ceiling combined with significant bonafide immediate spending cuts. But please block any short term fix that would facilitate the imposition of a bill that is the result of a secret behind closed-door meeting.

The economic viability of our nation is in serious jeopardy. There are forces within our own government that are attempting to drive us in the direction of socialism and decay. You can stand in the breach against these forces and I urge you to do so.

stefano1 on July 22, 2011 at 12:43 PM

kingsjester on July 22, 2011 at 11:41 AM

EXCELLENT! I’ll definitely tune in again, as my stomach turns!

dominigan on July 22, 2011 at 12:46 PM

rockmom on July 22, 2011 at 11:57 AM

Well, I know for certain how those 3 would’ve voted–the ones you wanted? Not so sure…where were you when these candidates were being sabatoged by the RINO’s and elitists of the party…you can quit with your phone handwringing. McCain didnt even vote…

lovingmyUSA on July 22, 2011 at 12:46 PM

Calling Sens Mark Warner & Jim Webb atm. Trying to figure out WTF their brains are.

Can’t remember which one is for my area as I was unable to vote last election (’10) due to not having registered in time. That has been remedied.

SgtSVJones on July 22, 2011 at 12:47 PM

rockmom on July 22, 2011 at 11:57 AM

How about you save your ire for the true opponent instead of eating your own?

Mike Castle has no business representing the GOP in the Senate. period. The last thing we need is another swing vote RINO who is has a disproportionate amount of influence because of his swing vote status. People like him are why the GOP even lost Congress in 2006 to begin with. Castle also would have lost anyway according to all exit polls.

Angle was a surprise to me, I had no idea who she was, and though it sucks to have Reid still in there, Tea Partiers at least learned the value in electing seasoned candidates. Stuff happens in an election, it was a long shot for the GOP to gain 10 seats anyway.

As for Ken Buck, he just lost to a better candidate. He was not a disaster and would have made an awesome Senator, he went off message and Colorado voters stupidly voted for the liberal who ran as a moderate. Buck is not someone to hold against tea partiers.

What about Lee, Rand Paul and Marco Rubio? You going to blame to Tea Partiers for them too? Instead of getting McConnell’s crony protoge, we got Rand Paul in Kentucky. Instead of that porker in Utah, we now have Mike Lee. Instead of establishment RINO Charlie Crist, we have Marco Rubio – how about giving credit where credit is due?

Daemonocracy on July 22, 2011 at 12:50 PM

DE was a tragedy…

IR-MN on July 22, 2011 at 12:41 PM

Yes, with Rove slamming O’Donnell, even before she could give her victory speech, and Dr. K, almost choking on his words of vitriol–he couldnt get them out fast enough. And all the talking heads at FOX skewering her…yep. It’s not like anyone saw that big ol’ knife sticking out of her back and said…not voting for her, she’s dead meat…

lovingmyUSA on July 22, 2011 at 12:51 PM

DeMint is doing the right thing but it will only serve to enable Boehner’s last minute cave because “time is running out”. We are so screwed!

JohnnyMojo on July 22, 2011 at 12:52 PM

Angle was a surprise to me, I had no idea who she was, and though it sucks to have Reid still in there …
Daemonocracy on July 22, 2011 at 12:50 PM

Reid was underestimated. Angle was ahead and he brought the union thugs out. That should be a lesson for the GOP as a whole. Dems will do anything to win and Obama is one of the best at that.

gh on July 22, 2011 at 12:52 PM

Brown(R) of Mass. stood with the party…guess we should blame the Tea Party for that..oh wait…

lovingmyUSA on July 22, 2011 at 12:53 PM

If DeMint can get enough votes, he can force Reid to bring it back to the floor from the table.

Thanks for that ray of sunshine, Ed. Godspeed, Senator.

For some time it has been clear to me that Zero and his socialist comrades are seriously attempting to destroy capitalist America. This regime is blatant in its actions to do so through illegal, unconstitutional and extra-legal means, as well as by failure to act on matters of fiscal integrity.

They are coming mighty close to achieving their goals. If we make it until 2012 – and unfortunately I’m not sure we will – we the people will purge them and begin restoring sanity.

As for the RINOs, I’m with KickandSwimMom:

The agenda for far too many is to consolidate and retain their power in perpetuity, and they will do whatever it takes to achieve that end.

Do not back down. Do not give in. Do not allow them to succeed.

Opinionator on July 22, 2011 at 12:54 PM

Krauthammer’s latest. Give the dems 5 months.

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/272463/half-trillion-plan-charles-krauthammer

gh on July 22, 2011 at 12:02 PM

Kraut says there are 3 choices, and none of those choices are the CCB. Sorry Kraut, your mask started slipping when Palin hit the stage…looks like it’s been permanently removed. Someone give me a reason to listen to Kraut anymore.

miConsevative on July 22, 2011 at 12:55 PM

Not much to think about here. If we ever have a balanced budget amendment, Obamacare will be gone or dramatically altered. The Democrats do not want anyone looking into how much Obamacare really is, which is why the Senate hasn’t produced a budget.

Vote Republican and only be called a racist one more time.

bflat879 on July 22, 2011 at 12:57 PM

Oh and Toomey, the Tea Party deserve credit for him too. Before the Tea Party movement, all the establishment lined up in support of Benedict Arlen, including Bush. The Tea Partiers literally drove that sleaze out of the party and Toomey is now Senator.

Daemonocracy on July 22, 2011 at 12:58 PM

Daemonocracy on July 22, 2011 at 12:50 PM

Well stated. The Tea Party was an apple in Santelli’s eye when candidates began lining up 2010 Senate runs. Now that it is established and has demonstrated influence, conservative GOPers are in position to recruit much better candidates, and there is a comparative motherlode of available seats.

In addition to available Dem seats, we have GOP Senators who are getting religion with the knowledge they’re up in 2012, too. As has been pointed out, many of them might be voting quite differently right now if the establishment GOP already controlled the Senate.

Missy on July 22, 2011 at 12:59 PM

Reid was underestimated. Angle was ahead and he brought the union thugs out. That should be a lesson for the GOP as a whole. Dems will do anything to win and Obama is one of the best at that.

gh on July 22, 2011 at 12:52 PM

Which is why we need to play hardball instead of compromising.

dominigan on July 22, 2011 at 1:00 PM

miConsevative on July 22, 2011 at 12:55 PM

He’s correct. The votes for CCB are not there. Right now there will be a default August 15:
http://www.zerohedge.com/article/republican-kevin-mccarthy-says-no-debt-deal-likely-today-or-over-weekend-treasury-now-projec

He’s saying that the debt ceiling needs to be raised $100B per month to avoid default. Zerohedge says that is correct. Obama wants a default so the GOP should make him veto a bill to have one. If 5 months is too much, give him 2 months. That also gives the GOP 2 months to work something out. The GOP wins if they keep the issue in the headlines so all they need to do is not do something like the McConnell plan. Standard and Poor has said Obama must cut so keep the pressure on without handing him a weapon (default) to whip the press up with.

gh on July 22, 2011 at 1:00 PM

Kraut says there are 3 choices, and none of those choices are the CCB. Sorry Kraut, your mask started slipping when Palin hit the stage…looks like it’s been permanently removed. Someone give me a reason to listen to Kraut anymore.

miConsevative on July 22, 2011 at 12:55 PM

I don’t see anything wrong with his temporary half trillion plan with matching spending cuts. I want the GOP to keep pushing CCB until they at least get a floor vote or force a veto, but the half trillion plan he’s been hawking is not a bad idea and would put Obama in a corner throughout the election. He is not in favor of the idiotic McConnell plan which played a large part in kneecapping CCB and he recognizes the G6 “plan” as the worthless fluff it is.

Daemonocracy on July 22, 2011 at 1:03 PM

..awwww, who are we kidding? For him, that’d be like a pile of turd in an ocean of diarrhea.

The War Planner on July 22, 2011 at 11:51 AM

Well said!

He straddles America like The Colossus of Crap.

disa on July 22, 2011 at 1:07 PM

And I read the comments over at CNN and the like and everyone blames the republicans….and they believe it.
I’m so confused. How are people so freakin’ stupid?

bridgetown on July 22, 2011 at 11:31 AM

The old media and CNN are in the bag for the democratics. We rarely win this kind of battle because the ignorant masses have to rely on the old media to tell them what’s going on in DC, and they lie.

slickwillie2001 on July 22, 2011 at 1:08 PM

He’s correct. The votes for CCB are not there.

gh on July 22, 2011 at 1:00 PM

Who is to say the votes are there for any of the others in his list? I prefer to go the DeMint route and push the REAL solution rather than kick the can again for the 100th time. I have no confidence that if this stays in the headlines it will put on Obama’s shoulders – not with how complicit the media is and how inept the GOP is when it comes to messaging.

If nothing else, ‘conservative’ pundits need to at least include the conservative solutions in the list of possibilities (which he could later say likely won’t have the votes) – but by not even mentioning it, he hurts the conservative cause by helping the media push the meme that conservatives aren’t offering solutions.

miConsevative on July 22, 2011 at 1:08 PM

Kraut says there are 3 choices, and none of those choices are the CCB. Sorry Kraut, your mask started slipping when Palin hit the stage…looks like it’s been permanently removed. Someone give me a reason to listen to Kraut anymore.

miConsevative on July 22, 2011 at 12:55 PM

Prince Charles is not the wise sage that he wants us to think. Has anyone on the conservative side put together a list of all the times he has been outrageously wrong?

slickwillie2001 on July 22, 2011 at 1:09 PM

Reid danced on its grave, proclaiming it “over, dead, and done.”

Didn’t he say that about the Iraq war, too?

Kafir on July 22, 2011 at 1:11 PM

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